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Who has the potential to be the next ATG batter from India once Virat Kohli retires?

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After Sachin, we are witnessing an ATG player like VK that all teams fear and whose wicket is so much valuable that once you get him, 50% of the match is in the bag. Thats the impact he has on the game.

I dont think after he retires, we will get to see such a player in the Indian Team.
Shubman Gill was touted to be the next inline, but Im not sure how impactful he is. Does anyone possess that kind of mental strength,fearlessness and skills to win you matches when so much is at stake.
 
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Virat is once in a generation player even better limited overs batter than Sachin but its the same man who was criticized left right and centre for the last 3 years. Its amazing how life changes.
To find a player of Kohli's standard would be almost impossible. Best Kohli has got the IQ and finishing ability to go with batting skills
 
Shubman Gill is a curious case. This guy have all the shots but lacks temperament and hasn't score big in tests yet.
His inconsistency in test matches is frustrating.
He is a top quality ODI cricketer and has gears like Kohli but lacks power game in T20s.
 
Most bet on Gill. But he has been the king of soft dismissals. He plays some outrageous shots like Kohli. He is the only one who has that spark. At the end of the day, individuals shape their own careers. Sarfraz may be in Tests. Shaw has some chinks. He is more a Sehwag than Kohli.
 
Nobody. Kohli is a generational player. His successor hasn't debuted yet. Nobody is equal to him in any format. Rohit Sharma is possibly the only one arguable in ODIs (and Rohit is older)

Scratch that, Kohli is likely the last all format ATG we will ever see in cricket. Most new players now specialize in 1 format, or 2 at most.

Appreciate it while it lasts. Cricket fanbase is slowly splitting apart before our eyes
 
Joseph Gomes said:
Nobody. Kohli is a generational player. His successor hasn't debuted yet. Nobody is equal to him in any format. Rohit Sharma is possibly the only one arguable in ODIs (and Rohit is older)

Scratch that, Kohli is likely the last all format ATG we will ever see in cricket. Most new players now specialize in 1 format, or 2 at most.

Appreciate it while it lasts. Cricket fanbase is slowly splitting apart before our eyes
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You need ultimate fitness to excel in multi formats in addition to skills. He although primarily a great ODI player, he gave so much importance to Tests and tried to excel for 3 or 4 years in that. I think India will find. Right after Sunny we got Sachin, Then Virat stepped up. SOmeone will come. I strongly believe. Kohli himself was dropped after a couple of series in Tests. Then he came back.
 
No one can from the current lot. Kohli is a once in a generation player. Such players are not produced by a team in every decade.
 
Hitman said:
No one can from the current lot. Kohli is a once in a generation player. Such players are not produced by a team in every decade.
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Actually,it is unbelievable that we have managed to produce one ATG player every generation.

Gavaskar(1971-1987)
Tendulkar (1989-2013)
Dravid(1996-2012)
Virat Kohli (2008- present)

Very hard for anyone to replicate it. Gill has got a lot of work to do if he has to even come close because he hasn't shown anything extraordinary about him yet.
 
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Ab Fan said:
Actually,it is unbelievable that we have managed to produce one ATG player every generation.

Gavaskar(1971-1987)
Tendulkar (1989-2013)
Dravid(1996-2012)
Virat Kohli (2008- present)

Very hard for anyone to replicate it. Gill has got a lot of work to do if he has to even come close because he hasn't shown anything extraordinary about him yet.
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I haven't lost faith in Gill and Shaw yet. Add to that SKY. I don't mean to say I'm hoping them to end up as ATGs, I'm just saying that I'm hopeful they can do a lot of good for our team in the long run.
 
Kohli is a generational talent as far as LOIs are concerned. His mental strength is unbeatable.
 
Where is Gill these days? Has he recently played in any format internationally for India - dont think he plays white ball cricket, does he?
 
Ab Fan said:
Actually,it is unbelievable that we have managed to produce one ATG player every generation.

Gavaskar(1971-1987)
Tendulkar (1989-2013)
Dravid(1996-2012)
Virat Kohli (2008- present)

Very hard for anyone to replicate it. Gill has got a lot of work to do if he has to even come close because he hasn't shown anything extraordinary about him yet.
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Kohli himself said he was not even half as good as Gill at his age. Many are rating him very highly Probably the best under-19 find. He has to start batting in the middle for one thing. He is a suitable at 3 or 4. You cannot try to score off every ball as an opener. I think he will turn around when he plays in the middle.
 
dildilpak said:
Where is Gill these days? Has he recently played in any format internationally for India - dont think he plays white ball cricket, does he?
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He played a couple of one dayers. before this year. He couldn't break into LOI sides due to existing players. This is the first time he got a decent run. So we have to see more of him before making a judgement. He is very much like Kohli. One key difference is Kohli was predominantly a frontfoot player. Gill is predominantly a backfoot player. It should make Gill more consistent.

In 2022

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49 vs SA in India
 
As I said in another thread, there may be players in India who are, skill wise, far more talented than Kohli.

However, if they are not as strong mentally, it doesn’t matter.

Out of all the Indian players mentioned so far, we will know if they can surpass Kohli in terms of impact based on their performances under immense pressure.

Kohli is like Goku. No matter how bad it has looked, somehow, he still won.
 
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IndianMafia said:
Keep an eye on Yashasvi Jaiswal. He has all it takes to be next gen star.
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Forgot him. Man.. he has huge appetite for runs, 200, 300. The way he massacred Hazlewood picking 22 runs in one over of him was a delight to watch. Even in Under-19 final he was the hero. Sadly nobody supported him.
 
It's difficult to produce two generational talents in a decade.

We already have a generational player in the team, but yes he isn't an ATG bat contender, he is a GOAT Wk bat contender....... :smith
 
Believe we have plenty of over hyped, over rated TTFs like Rahul and new IPL bred youngsta beauties, but none of them half as good as an out-of-form Kohli.

Maybe someone in the know of the under 19 pool may wish to correct me, but it is looking very bleak at the moment
 
Hitman said:
I haven't lost faith in Gill and Shaw yet. Add to that SKY. I don't mean to say I'm hoping them to end up as ATGs, I'm just saying that I'm hopeful they can do a lot of good for our team in the long run.
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We will have multiple good players but ATG is a different level of benchmark. When Kohli was at 23, he did gave that vibe that he definitely has all it takes to go down as ATG.

With Gill, I feel he doesn't have the same ruthlessness and mentality of Kohli and neither is he doing anything extraordinary at young age like Tendulkar did. Even Gavaskar for that matter when he debuted, he produced a 700 run series vs Windies in 1971.

You get that ATG vibe when a special player comes in.
 
Ab Fan said:
We will have multiple good players but ATG is a different level of benchmark. When Kohli was at 23, he did gave that vibe that he definitely has all it takes to go down as ATG.

With Gill, I feel he doesn't have the same ruthlessness and mentality of Kohli and neither is he doing anything extraordinary at young age like Tendulkar did. Even Gavaskar for that matter when he debuted, he produced a 700 run series vs Windies in 1971.

You get that ATG vibe when a special player comes in.
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Absolutely. I remember telling my brother that Kohli is one special talent shortly after he made his debut. You could easily see it.
 
In football terms, India has been a Brazil or Argentina in cricket. One global superstar with good players around him. That superstar would be given the main role with other roles just to support that super star. He has to play in every game. Otherwise the sponsors would be upset. If he doesn't play well, he will be persisted with. Doesn't matter how long it took.

Those days are almost over. India will be the Germany or England. There will be stars but they won't be indisposable. There will be competition for every spot and India might even field completely different teams in different series as they did with SA recently. The era of Rohit, Kohli, Dhoni will be over after next year's world cup.
 
No one and there will be no one because of multiple reasons. One - players themselves care more about IPL than being a national icon and secondly the selectors and current players are ensuring that no new face comes to the fore. India perhaps is the only team which, apart from arshdeep, doesn't have a single under 25 player. We had 4 over 35+ players in the match yesterday, and none of them have lit the cricketing world on fire yet they get into the team tournament after tournament. How would new players ever come up when the oldies are being played for eternity.
 
Ab Fan said:
We will have multiple good players but ATG is a different level of benchmark. When Kohli was at 23, he did gave that vibe that he definitely has all it takes to go down as ATG.

With Gill, I feel he doesn't have the same ruthlessness and mentality of Kohli and neither is he doing anything extraordinary at young age like Tendulkar did. Even Gavaskar for that matter when he debuted, he produced a 700 run series vs Windies in 1971.

You get that ATG vibe when a special player comes in.
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People talk about Gavaskar and 700 runs but west Indies had a bunch of spinners and medium pacers back then. After that series, Lloyd decided to rock the world with pace. Kohli is an immense talent,.no doubt. Pakistanis love him because he scores against them consistently and keeps saying positive things about Pak. He's excellent in chases but has been a midget in knock out 50 over world cup games the last 2 times.

He still has some outrageous strokes in him but is in his last days. 2023 WC should be his last. Gill will not be kohli. Infact nobody will command that authority in Indian cricket anymore. The teams will be fluid. Multiple players will be in the fray and the team selection will be based on the pitch and opposition. I think Indian team will have that kind of depth soon. It already started and will accelerate from here.
 
In the last one year, India had 3 or 4 captains in different series. Pandya, Pant , Rahul and ofcourse Rohit. Shreyas Iyer will be another. The strategy is to build leaders. The teams will be chosen based on the opposition. Nobody will be caring for records anymore as no one will be playing all the games. This is important because we consider ATG based on records mostly
 
I strongly believe someone will emerge. Kohli's real peak started around 2014. 3 or 4 years after his debut.One of the biggest hurdle for current youngsters is finding a spot. It is important when you make your debut. Dravid/Laxman/Tendulkar were all about to retire. So he had a consistent run. Nowadays too much competition. It is very hard to get a run when you have too many available. That Rahane stuck to the Indian side like leech based on his past records. Then there is Pujara. Once all these guys are weeded out watch out. You will find new team, new energy. I expect 2 or 3 good players coming through in the next 4 or 5 years.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
I strongly believe someone will emerge. Kohli's real peak started around 2014. 3 or 4 years after his debut.One of the biggest hurdle for current youngsters is finding a spot. It is important when you make your debut. Dravid/Laxman/Tendulkar were all about to retire. So he had a consistent run. Nowadays too much competition. It is very hard to get a run when you have too many available. That Rahane stuck to the Indian side like leech based on his past records. Then there is Pujara. Once all these guys are weeded out watch out. You will find new team, new energy. I expect 2 or 3 good players coming through in the next 4 or 5 years.
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That Pujara and Rahene have been 2 of the biggest parasites in our team in the last 10 years.
 
Hitman said:
I haven't lost faith in Gill and Shaw yet. Add to that SKY. I don't mean to say I'm hoping them to end up as ATGs, I'm just saying that I'm hopeful they can do a lot of good for our team in the long run.
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Surya is 33 years old.
 
Lol SKY is a nobody.

Few contenders to take Kohli's place in test cricket where he is not ATG to begin with: Gill, Jaiswal, Sundar. Impactwise Shaw may become like Sehwag.

Pant though will comfortably end as superior batsman than Kohli. In tests he already has a better resume in terms of impact in SENA, kid is just 25. May not be an all format player like Kohli but he will be one of the highest impact batsmen in the history of the sport. The kind of player who will go beast mode in marquee series and ICC events to win the big titles.
 
In T20s I don't think Kohli's level can be reached by Indian batsmen in the next 10 years or so. That's a format where we will miss him a lot.
 
Suleiman said:
As I said in another thread, there may be players in India who are, skill wise, far more talented than Kohli.

However, if they are not as strong mentally, it doesn’t matter.

Out of all the Indian players mentioned so far, we will know if they can surpass Kohli in terms of impact based on their performances under immense pressure.

Kohli is like Goku. No matter how bad it has looked, somehow, he still won.
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Pant has delivered under immense pressure in tests. Will be interesting to see what he does in ODIs, T20s give me less hope. Kid is 25, long career ahead of him.
 
Sad to say no one . Future looks gloomy. No present player having clutch attitude like kohli to winning the match for india.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
I strongly believe someone will emerge. Kohli's real peak started around 2014. 3 or 4 years after his debut.One of the biggest hurdle for current youngsters is finding a spot. It is important when you make your debut. Dravid/Laxman/Tendulkar were all about to retire. So he had a consistent run. Nowadays too much competition. It is very hard to get a run when you have too many available. That Rahane stuck to the Indian side like leech based on his past records. Then there is Pujara. Once all these guys are weeded out watch out. You will find new team, new energy. I expect 2 or 3 good players coming through in the next 4 or 5 years.
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I feel when we will have a guy with ATG ceiling comes in, he will be at a different level to the rest of the players that would be there in the team.

Basically like how Gavaskar, Tendulkar, Kohli were. Even how Bumrah is now, he is at another level to other bowlers in this team across all formats.
 
Hitman said:
That Pujara and Rahene have been 2 of the biggest parasites in our team in the last 10 years.
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Pujara has done good enough for his country over his career. The fact that he has been comfortably our second best test batsman of his generation tells us this.

Rahane and Rahul have been frauds although Rahul can change things atleast in tests and go the Rohit way if he sorts his mental issues as well as getting injured regularly.
 
Kohli is Kohli not just because he is super talented (which of course he is) but because he has worked extremely hard, loves and respects the game and is super competitive. Many of the players mentioned in this thread might even be more talented than Kohli was at the same age but talent alone never makes a legend. Shaw, Gill, Jaiswal, Iyer, Paddikal, India has an enviable pool of talent but it is impossible to say if any of them will rise to the heights attained by Kohli. All depends on how much they are willing to give to the game and how tough they are mentally to keep going in the face of different forms of adversity that are a part of the game at the highest levels. Also, there is always an element of luck: getting picked at the right time, getting consistent chances etc.
 
Hitman said:
That Pujara and Rahene have been 2 of the biggest parasites in our team in the last 10 years.
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Kohli was the same before Asia cup. Pujara deserved the chances he got as he has proved himself over the years in test cricket
 
Ab Fan said:
Pujara has done good enough for his country over his career. The fact that he has been comfortably our second best test batsman of his generation tells us this.

Rahane and Rahul have been frauds although Rahul can change things atleast in tests and go the Rohit way if he sorts his mental issues as well as getting injured regularly.
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Rahul conveniently gets injured prior to major series, while being fit for the whole of the IPL. He and Bumrah butter their breads that way.

Both have been awarded with test captaincy over the past year despite this. Disgrace. Bumrah even timed his wedding so he missed an England test while being available for the full IPL season.
 
Pant will win more important matches for Indian than Sachin and Kohli combined.
He is the blue eyed boy of Indian Cricket.

Already the greatest cricketer in the world.

Actually , people will see a glimpse of this in the current t20 WC itself.
 
Swashbuckler said:
Pant though will comfortably end as superior batsman than Kohli. In tests he already has a better resume in terms of impact in SENA, kid is just 25. May not be an all format player like Kohli but he will be one of the highest impact batsmen in the history of the sport. The kind of player who will go beast mode in marquee series and ICC events to win the big titles.
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Yes, completely agree.
Pant will end up as the greatest Indian cricketer in terms of Impact.
 
India is spoilt for choices as far as batting talent is concerned. But i doubt if there will be anyone mimicking the ruthless consistency, hunger and hate to lose attitude that Kohli possesses. Most importantly, i doubt anyone will be able to remain committed to their craft like Kohli did for such a long time (even he lost his way in the last 3 years) with the amount of wealth, fame, adulation that came his way.

Kohli is the boxing version of Floyd Mayweather Jr, i.e. the highest earning boxer in the world and history but he still sweats, grinds and trains every day like he is broke. Trust me, 99% of Athletes who make it big, cannot sustain the lifestyle discipline, training discipline, eating discipline that being on the top dictates for very long.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Pant will win more important matches for Indian than Sachin and Kohli combined.
He is the blue eyed boy of Indian Cricket.

Already the greatest cricketer in the world.

Actually , people will see a glimpse of this in the current t20 WC itself.
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I am surprised at the success Pant has had in test cricket. In ODI's and T-20's, teams have figured him out by either bowling wide outside the offstump yorkers, or the yorker at off stump. His strike rate and impact in the limited overs format is no where near as good as the impact he has had on test cricket.

Maybe he has the luxury of being able to take his time in test cricket and wait for the right ball to go after. Faheem Ashraf for Pakistan has had more success with the bat in test cricket vs ODI and T-20 cricket for the same reasons.
 
Varun said:
Rahul conveniently gets injured prior to major series, while being fit for the whole of the IPL. He and Bumrah butter their breads that way.

Both have been awarded with test captaincy over the past year despite this. Disgrace. Bumrah even timed his wedding so he missed an England test while being available for the full IPL season.
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Yeah, have lost a lot of respect for Bumrah. He has proved to be a selfish guy who just picks and chooses the games he wants to play. It was such a selfish decision for him to choose the time of his wedding coinciding with our test series against England. That's even more selfish than what Kohli did before his child's birth.

For Rahul, I never had any. He has always been an imposter and has only harmed our cricket ever since he started playing for us. Earlier we get rid of this freeloader, better will it be for our cricket.
 
I hope our fans will not embarrass us by throwing Babar in the potential list. Its wad embarrassment to see Babar giving advice much higher player like Kohli where it should be other way around. Babar should ask tips from Kohli to improve his skill instead of being arrogant by thinking himself a superstar (hyped by his delusional fans) by playing soft scores against weaker teams in no pressure games.
 
mesmerizer85 said:
Does anyone possess that kind of mental strength,fearlessness and skills to win you matches when so much is at stake.
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In test cricket Pant is the most feared Indian batsman by the opposition. He can create that in white-ball cricket too. Just a matter of time. It would be the stupidest decision if he isn't played as soon as possible in Australia.

He lacks Virat's all-round game and class but can make up with his game awareness and ability to play outrageous shots. So game-impact-wise, he can come close to Virat, though he might never be as consistent as Virat has been for most of his career.
 
Savak said:
I am surprised at the success Pant has had in test cricket. In ODI's and T-20's, teams have figured him out by either bowling wide outside the offstump yorkers, or the yorker at off stump. His strike rate and impact in the limited overs format is no where near as good as the impact he has had on test cricket.

Maybe he has the luxury of being able to take his time in test cricket and wait for the right ball to go after. Faheem Ashraf for Pakistan has had more success with the bat in test cricket vs ODI and T-20 cricket for the same reasons.
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Pant has been briliiant in ODIS for the last two years, t20s is the only format where he has struggled.

In test cricket the field isn't spread like t20s and he can hit his lofty shots without any fear and when the opposition keeps players at boundaries he can easily dab the ball for singles which he can't do in t20s bcoz of reqd rate and the fact that he bats at 4.

The TM needs to realise that Pant should open the innings in t20s, he will create havoc in the powerplay overs and after 6 overs when he is well set, no stadium is big enough for his lofted hits.Kl Rahul should be dropped or played at 6 in place of DK


It will be a failure of Team Management if they can't turn Pant into a successful t20i player. He is easily the most gifted player currently operating in world cricket.
 
Smudger said:
Kohli was the same before Asia cup. Pujara deserved the chances he got as he has proved himself over the years in test cricket
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Proved himself with an average of mid 20s in sena countries at a horrible strike rate?
 
Varun said:
Rahul conveniently gets injured prior to major series, while being fit for the whole of the IPL. He and Bumrah butter their breads that way.

Both have been awarded with test captaincy over the past year despite this. Disgrace. Bumrah even timed his wedding so he missed an England test while being available for the full IPL season.
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I would say it is fine for Bumrah because that test was at home and we don't need Bumrah for that. His importance is there for test matches away and LOI matches vs top teams and important matches.

The focus should be on winning rather than trying to find ways to bash a player. He is still playing about same number of games or more than what Shami or Bhuvi or Siraj or anyone else has played for India in last 4 years phase.
 
bala977 said:
Believe we have plenty of over hyped, over rated TTFs like Rahul and new IPL bred youngsta beauties, but none of them half as good as an out-of-form Kohli.

Maybe someone in the know of the under 19 pool may wish to correct me, but it is looking very bleak at the moment
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Except it's not looking bleak at all.

Batsman like Gill, Shaw, Yashaswi, Sarfaraz, Dhull have all aced domestic(Ranji) and U19 tournaments. Gill has done extremely well in ODIs so far.

All this "IPL beauty" is nonsense cliche by those who don't follow domestic system. There's a lot of talent coming through.

Not everyone will be a Kohli and thats not a slight on either cos Kohli will go down as ATG but they'll be very good batsman.
 
Ab Fan said:
I would say it is fine for Bumrah because that test was at home and we don't need Bumrah for that. His importance is there for test matches away and LOI matches vs top teams and important matches.

The focus should be on winning rather than trying to find ways to bash a player. He is still playing about same number of games or more than what Shami or Bhuvi or Siraj or anyone else has played for India in last 4 years phase.
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Bumrah should not get any leeway be it home or away.
 
Kohli debuted in 2008, and by 2012 there were many, many players calling him a future ATG. A reminder that Kohli was being discussed when the team had Tendulkar, Sehwag, Gambhir, Dravid, Yuvraj and Dhoni. Kohli managed to stand out even with these many great players.

Now in 2022, Kohli had been out of form for 3 years. Yet nobody has shown glimpse of 2012 Kohli.

When a youngster is a future ATG, you can tell it by their presence on the crease. The current lot ain't it.
 
WengerOut said:
Bumrah should not get any leeway be it home or away.
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Yes he should get injured so that we again start producing 30 averaging bowlers. We do not deserve producing a single fast bowler with average under 25. We are not good enough. We deserve this humiliation. :)))
 
There aren't any multi format ATGs anymore. White ball formats especially T20s have diverged too much.

It's going to be formats specific. Labu is a test batsman only. Australia dont have a young batter like multi format Warner .

Harry Brook is the only one who might dominate all formats. No other team has young players who look like they could do that.

At best they can hope to be like Babar.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
There aren't any multi format ATGs anymore. White ball formats especially T20s have diverged too much.

It's going to be formats specific. Labu is a test batsman only. Australia dont have a young batter like multi format Warner .

Harry Brook is the only one who might dominate all formats. No other team has young players who look like they could do that.

At best they can hope to be like Babar.
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and Bumrah with bowl who is an all format bowler. :inti
 
Kohli is 33. Another 3-4 years before he goes. His replacement should become a regular in the Indian team now.
 
Ab Fan said:
Yes he should get injured so that we again start producing 30 averaging bowlers. We do not deserve producing a single fast bowler with average under 25. We are not good enough. We deserve this humiliation. :)))
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I dont care if he is Malcom Marshall second coming when he is unavailable for marque series. I am not talking about past performance.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Pant will win more important matches for Indian than Sachin and Kohli combined.
He is the blue eyed boy of Indian Cricket.

Already the greatest cricketer in the world.

Actually , people will see a glimpse of this in the current t20 WC itself.
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Post of the week. :))) :inti
 
Gill has the potential to be an ODI ATG.

Pant in Tests.

T20 is too volatile to call anyone a potential ATG.

Don't think we'll have a bonafide all format ATG batter any time soon. Times have changed drastically.
 
Kohli is a once in a history cricketer. It is impossible for any player to live up to his legacy.

- greatest ODI/T20I batsman of all time

- one of the greatest batsman of all time

- greatest Asian Test captain of all time

- his exploits with the bat and success as captain makes him, arguably, the greatest Asian cricketer of all time

In addition to the above, he is one of the most iconic megastars this game has ever seen. His presence and influence goes beyond his stats and runs.

Good luck to anyone trying to live up to his legacy.
 
India might find better test batsman than Kohli, but he will be almost impossible to replace in LOIs
 
WengerOut said:
I dont care if he is Malcom Marshall second coming when he is unavailable for marque series. I am not talking about past performance.
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Marque series like?

For me, home test series is not a marque series for a fast bowler as pacers barely have any major role in India. It is like spin in New Zealand.

As for his ODI career, he took a 6-fer early this year vs England, career average of 24 and economy of slightly over 4.5( no other fast bowler who bowl in death has this good economy). If he is mediocre then good ODI bowler don't exist basically. Boult, Starc these guys have economy of 5+ and Shami has 5.5+.

All said and done, as long as he is winning us test matches overseas, we shouldn't really complain. Regarding IPL, everyone plays it including Kohli, Rohit and Dhoni.
 
Mesozoic said:
Gill has the potential to be an ODI ATG.

Pant in Tests.

T20 is too volatile to call anyone a potential ATG.

Don't think we'll have a bonafide all format ATG batter any time soon. Times have changed drastically.
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T20 approach has come a long way. No more of one batsman anchoring and playing till the end. Runs are likely to be distributed from top to bottom.
 
Unleashed said:
Except it's not looking bleak at all.

Batsman like Gill, Shaw, Yashaswi, Sarfaraz, Dhull have all aced domestic(Ranji) and U19 tournaments. Gill has done extremely well in ODIs so far.

All this "IPL beauty" is nonsense cliche by those who don't follow domestic system. There's a lot of talent coming through.

Not everyone will be a Kohli and thats not a slight on either cos Kohli will go down as ATG but they'll be very good batsman.
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I have never this many potentially good batsmen coming through the system like now. New Kid Yash Dhull started with a couple of centuries in his first class debut. Then there is this future Dhoni , Dinesh Bana.
 
Mamoon said:
Kohli is a once in a history cricketer. It is impossible for any player to live up to his legacy.

- greatest ODI/T20I batsman of all time

- one of the greatest batsman of all time

- greatest Asian Test captain of all time

- his exploits with the bat and success as captain makes him, arguably, the greatest Asian cricketer of all time

In addition to the above, he is one of the most iconic megastars this game has ever seen. His presence and influence goes beyond his stats and runs.

Good luck to anyone trying to live up to his legacy.
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India has a great batting culture so they can even discover even better than Kohli. Its because most cases they select players based on quality where is in Pakistan they choose players based on favouritism/hype.
 
Shafi said:
India has a great batting culture so they can even discover even better than Kohli. Its because most cases they select players based on quality where is in Pakistan they choose players based on favouritism/hype.
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Actually, no. India hasn't found Kohli's replacement yet, let alone anybody better than him. Kohli is an all format ATG. Most of the other batsmen are duds in 1 or even 2 of the formats. Kohli is a great in ODI, ATG (GOAT contender) in ODIs, and GOAT in T20Is.

Nobody in Indian team is a stand out performer. T20s has made batting culture irrelevant, since most player only focus on 1 or 2 formats.

Babar Azam is the last potential all format ATG in cricket atm. India don't have it.
 
Mesozoic said:
Gill has the potential to be an ODI ATG.

Pant in Tests.

T20 is too volatile to call anyone a potential ATG.

Don't think we'll have a bonafide all format ATG batter any time soon. Times have changed drastically.
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It’ll happen. India has the best environment to produce quality batsmen, they’ve shown that over decades and decades of being a cricket nation. Gavaskar, SRT, Kohli and you can say Dhoni as greatest ODI finisher of all time, GOAT level middle order ODI batsman.

Each of those was a decade or more apart.

No reason why India will stop producing them.
 
Joseph Gomes said:
Actually, no. India hasn't found Kohli's replacement yet, let alone anybody better than him. Kohli is an all format ATG. Most of the other batsmen are duds in 1 or even 2 of the formats. Kohli is a great in ODI, ATG (GOAT contender) in ODIs, and GOAT in T20Is.

Nobody in Indian team is a stand out performer. T20s has made batting culture irrelevant, since most player only focus on 1 or 2 formats.

Babar Azam is the last potential all format ATG in cricket atm. India don't have it.
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Personally i care more about Test matches. You can see from the rise of Pant's popularity. When Pant made 124 runs in 60 balls in the IPL everyone thought he would do well in t20. But he couldn't repeat the same in the middle order. Eventually he couldn't come to terms with T20 format either as opener or MO batsman. May be if he opens 10 or 15 times he can turn it around. He is already doing well in ODI. In tests he has done some insane things.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Personally i care more about Test matches. You can see from the rise of Pant's popularity. When Pant made 124 runs in 60 balls in the IPL everyone thought he would do well in t20. But he couldn't repeat the same in the middle order. Eventually he couldn't come to terms with T20 format either as opener or MO batsman. May be if he opens 10 or 15 times he can turn it around. He is already doing well in ODI. In tests he has done some insane things.
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Pant is just average-decent in ODIs, and terrible in T20Is. Given that test matches aren't very popular among the mass, Pant will never reach the stature of Kohli/Dhoni unless he can improve his LOI stats.

I rate Pant quite highly for his test credentials, but it can only take you so far.
 
Pant, Yashasvi jaiswal, Yash Dhull, Shubman gill, sarfaraz khan - in that order. Depends who is mentally the strongest.
 
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