Who have emerged recently as the greatest powerhouse for chokers? India, Pakistan, New Zealand or South Africa?

[Aqib_mustafa]

Absolutely pathetic record for a supposedly top cricketing nation.

Generations after generations passed but they still remain bottlers when it counts.

Forget losing the finals, they were their pants even in the semi finals. It’s atrocious really.

So true bhaijaan for a team south africa have its shameful they have minnow record in icc tournaments

 

[sweep_shot]

I think South Africa still takes the cake. LOL.

They are the ultimate chokers considering they are a heavyweight team.

 

[Hellion]

They won the semi-final of 2024 World T20.

Shouldn't it be 2-9?

ODI tournaments, genius

 

[sweep_shot]

ODI tournaments, genius

@Bhaijaan didn't specify format, genius.

 

[Hellion]

@Bhaijaan didn't specify format, genius.

Because Bhaijaan assumed that cricket fans would have the brains to figure that out .

He didn't take you into account

 

[Nikhil_cric]

This thread should be locked imo. Even Bangladesh will find it difficult to top Pakistan's choke against USA last year.

We have got our answer.

 

[Aami]

Still S Africa Im afraid, flattering as usual.

India on the other hand, hate to admit, 3 finals in a row are winners. They'd put anyone in, unknowns, even 'half blind gadhays' will still beat any side in the world.

I hope NZ beat em but I doubt it.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Choking is losing from winnable situations. Today that didn't happen though. SA was comprehensively outplayed by NZ. Things like miscalculating NRR, not being able to even lose gracefully to move to next round, shelling so many catches, misfielding when they are two overs away from win, run a ball situation and failing are called choking.

 

[pillionrider]

Why are South Africa perennially associated with the choker tag? How have NZ with their poor record in ICC semis and finals managed to slip by mostly unnoticed.

Some would argue that it is how you respond in high pressure tight situations that makes you a choker. And SA have come so close on occasions and messed up. '99 for example.

But what if you never even got into the game because you choked before a ball was even bowled?

Let's look at ICC tournaments since SA were admitted back into cricket.

ODI World Cup
1992
NZ - Semis
SA - Semis

1999
NZ - Semis
SA - Semis

2007
NZ - Semis
SA - Semis

2011
NZ - Semis

2015
NZ - Final
SA - Semis

2019
NZ - Final

2023
NZ - Semis
SA - Semis



Champions Trophy
1998
SA - Winner

2000
NZ - Winner

2002
SA - Semis

2006
NZ - Semis
SA - Semis

2009
NZ - Final

2013
SA - Semis



T20 World Cup
2007
NZ - Semis

2009
SA - Semis

2014
SA - Semis

2016
NZ - Semis

2021
NZ - Final

2022
NZ - Semis

2024
SA - Final




If NZ lose the 2025 Champions Trophy vs India, are they still going to avoid the choker tag?

Don't care about jinx threads. This is an important matter.

 

[Bhaijaan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1898783400225656959

 

[pillionrider]

NZ are deceptive chokers. They might not fumble like the '99 runout of Donald. But I still think it's time to call them serial chokers. Or at least serial losers?

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

NZ are deceptive chokers. They might not fumble like the '99 runout of Donald. But I still think it's time to call them serial chokers. Or at least serial losers?

This thread.....
I understand India, SA and NZ being discussed but why is Pakistan even being attached in this group.
You need to qualify for knockouts to get the chance to "choke"

Honestly NZ are the choke kings, SA will start delivering after their lengthy transition based on racial equity etc. India should be winning on regular basis. Pakistan is qualifying for World cups thanks to low count of cricketing nations. In a couple of decades, Pakistan cricket might be looking like Hockey with no qualifications for major tournaments.

 

[Devadwal]

India has played most number of ICC finals

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

India are chokers no more. We've laid that to rest after back-to-back ICC trophies.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

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India has played most number of ICC finals

We have lost most too
We dont want to be like Germany in football.
Dil ko sachi thandak when we spank Aussies in a final.
baaki sab routine hai

 

[pillionrider]

This thread.....
I understand India, SA and NZ being discussed but why is Pakistan even being attached in this group.
You need to qualify for knockouts to get the chance to "choke"

They've had their share of memorable chokes to warrant a place.
2021 T20 WC SF - The Wade show vs Shaheeen
2022 T20 WC Final - The Stokes show (not really a team chokejob, but I personally consider Shaheen leaving when the heat was on a choke)
2024 T20 WC - Pak threw away a winning position vs India
2010 WC SF - The Mike Hussey show

 

[Bhaijaan]

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India has played most number of ICC finals

7/14 in the finals

We need to improve the win% to 60-70% in the finals

Look at West Indies

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

7/14 in the finals

We need to improve the win% to 60-70% in the finals

Look at West Indies

True, ICC knock out stage W/L:
Aussies are beasts in finals, SA are unique losers in knock outs.
NZ are deceptively poor in knock outs too.

 

[Bhaijaan]

True, ICC knock out stage W/L:
Aussies are beasts in finals, SA are unique losers in knock outs.
NZ are deceptively poor in knock outs too.

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This is a revealing stat. NZ has taken it to anoth t level compared to South Africa in last few years. They don’t lie semi finals anymore now they proudly lose finals

 

[Nikhil_cric]

The choke by PAK against USA was on another level though. Last time we saw a choke like that was when BD choked against India at the Chinnaswamy.

 

[Advaith]

This is a revealing stat. NZ has taken it to anoth t level compared to South Africa in last few years. They don’t lie semi finals anymore now they proudly lose finals

Newzealand team is not chokers because they do better than expected in tournaments.. South Africa team of previous two decades are chokers because they were expected to win half of tournaments they were part of ...

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

The choke by PAK against USA was on another level though. Last time we saw a choke like that was when BD choked against India at the Chinnaswamy.

Ahh the Mushy celebration.. that clip has travelled beyond cricket into the hall of fame of celebrating too early

 

[pillionrider]

The choke by PAK against USA was on another level though. Last time we saw a choke like that was when BD choked against India at the Chinnaswamy.

I was there for the Chinnaswamy one. It was insane. It also made me understand why Bangladesh fans can't ever be reasoned with. After the game some of them were crying and there were a few cosplay tigers around. My group of friends and plenty of other Indians tried to say comforting things or shake their hands. But not one of them could find it in themselves to even acknowledge these overtures. My friend was literally left standing for a minute with his hand extended in the air in front of a tiger that was only meowing back in return

 

[raj_milan]

There’s a positive perspective on this. To be called a "choker," a team must have the skill and ability to consistently reach semifinals and finals. That, in itself, is an accomplishment—demonstrating that the team is capable of performing at a high level and competing at the top stage consistently.

These teams don’t need to consistently rely on other teams' losses, rain-affected games, or complicated scenarios like Team A needing to beat Team B by a certain margin to qualify.

Reaching those critical stages time and again is a significant achievement, even if they haven’t always managed to clinch the final victory.

 

[Shehmir]

South Africa with quality team they always have its a surprise they hv only won one icc event to date

 

[Shehmir]

Last t20 world cup was in SA pocket but they gifted it to India in the end. Biggest example of their choking ability

 

[jnaveen1980]

NZ are not chokers. In every tournament they give 100%. They give their absolute best. THey don't choke on the field like SA does. THey don't choke on strategies like SA does. May be against Australia they do. But against other teams they don't choke.

 

[BouncerGuy]

The biggest choke in recent times was South Africa in the final of the t20 world cup. I think They are at the top when it comes to choking.

 

[saimayubera]

NZ are not chokers. In every tournament they give 100%. They give their absolute best. THey don't choke on the field like SA does. THey don't choke on strategies like SA does. May be against Australia they do. But against other teams they don't choke.

NZ are not chokers.

They are a small country where people are not interested in cricket much.

They have a limited pool of decentish players but they do the little things well and hence always are top 4 but they don't really have the talent at any given time to win against the best team of the tournament.

They never lose matches they are supposed to win. SA, Eng, Pak often drop games against weaker teams but NZ never do.

Even in this final they gave a good account of themselves but they simply didn't have anyone on the level of Kuldeep/Chakri.

 

[mb3407]

True, ICC knock out stage W/L:
Aussies are beasts in finals, SA are unique losers in knock outs.
NZ are deceptively poor in knock outs too.

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So by data, the biggest chokers are SA followed by NZL and then Pakistan.

However choking is not limited to knockouts. Tournament pressure can cause chokes in league stage games too. For example past pakistan against India.

Even current pakistan were good in Aus, SA and also the tri series. But in tournament pressure they choked.

Considering this I believe they are the biggest chokers after SA. NZL can be excused as they aren't bilateral beasts and have limited resource pool.

 

[kron]

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India has played most number of ICC finals

India and pak at 50%

Aus ahead by 20%
West Indies marginally ahead

Has India won wtc? WC 2023 damn they would have been real close

Also t20 2014

 

[Bhaijaan]

There’s a positive perspective on this. To be called a "choker," a team must have the skill and ability to consistently reach semifinals and finals. That, in itself, is an accomplishment—demonstrating that the team is capable of performing at a high level and competing at the top stage consistently.

These teams don’t need to consistently rely on other teams' losses, rain-affected games, or complicated scenarios like Team A needing to beat Team B by a certain margin to qualify.

Reaching those critical stages time and again is a significant achievement, even if they haven’t always managed to clinch the final victory.

Not really.

Cricket is actually such a poor sport getting to the semis isn’t always a huge deal.

In the last tournament, NZ beat Pakistan and Bangladesh to reach a semi final and South Africa beat England and Afghanistan to reach the semifinal. A big deal? So there’s one match against a team well below you and two matches against the top tier teams, win one and lose one and you make it to the semifinal finals. That’s how weak the competition is in cricket.

Real cricket starts from knock out phase onwards.

If you struggle to make the semis in cricket regularly, situation is alarmingly poor