Who is to blame for the postponement of PSL 6?

[MenInG]

Lot of opinions on this forum about whether PCB messed it up or whether franchises did not take the restrictions seriously and broke them at will.

As Wasim Khan said in his press conference "taalee do haath sai bajtee hai" [you cannot clap with one hand = Takes 2 to tango type thing]

But who in the cold light of day is to blame for possibly the biggest embarrassment to the country in many years?

 

[Hasan123]

PCB obviously. They didn’t set rules that’s why players and franchises did what they wanted to do.

 

[Babeikh]

1. PCB. They are the organising body and they have to take a share of the blame.
2. Franchises. Not taking things seriously, allowing random celebs/actors in and around the players.
3. Players. You can have all the rules you want, the players also have to take personal responsibility.

There is a wider point about the power dynamic between PCB and franchises and that needs to change now - let this be the moment.

 

[Rana]

All parties are to blame.

Public health can only be insured if the Public takes its health seriously. If grown individuals cannot take the SOPs and Covid Protocols seriously for their own health and the safety of those around them, then you cannot just blame the PCB.

 

[Rana]

Peshawar Zalmi took this to another level

I urge PM Imran Khan to look into the case of Javed Afridi acquiring the services of Dananeer Mobeen to become a Brand Ambassador for Peshawar Zalmi. This girl attended a talk show as a guest a day or two before she travelled joined the Zalmi team mascots. This is negligence of the highest order in the name of fame and publicity!

 

[Shoaibbtt]

I mean i have said this on another post but safety is everyone's responsibility and think everyone should always remain vigilant and report anything they deem questionable to PCB.

I think at this moment all the big questions need to be answered and brought forward then will i respect the process because like you have said this is an embarrassment of the ages for us.

1. Who booked the hotel with it being shared with members of the public?
2. Was there adequate facilities in the hotel to protect from Covid? i.e. masks at the lobby and hand sanitizer at the entrance and places like the lift and doors?
3. Can there be clarity on whether all the players had collective breakfast/lunch together and again who approved this?
4. Who allowed for open use of the gym as well as leisure activities like golf to played?
5. Was Hassan Ali and others given the green light to attend Azhar Mehmood's birthday bash, in which Hassan tested positive after?
6. Under the SOPs who was considered to be under the bubble?
7. Why did they feel it wasn't necessary to carry out regular covid tests of players and staff instead of carrying it out only when Fawad Ahmed tested positive?
8. How can security not have prevented fans getting close to players?


It's all a soap drama i tell you, there's lots more but honestly i want to hear all those questions answered.

 

[Mamoon]

Peshawar Zalmi took this to another level

I urge PM Imran Khan to look into the case of Javed Afridi acquiring the services of Dananeer Mobeen to become a Brand Ambassador for Peshawar Zalmi. This girl attended a talk show as a guest a day or two before she travelled joined the Zalmi team mascots. This is negligence of the highest order in the name of fame and publicity!

Again, what is your problem with Dananeer?

The blame lies with PCB. It was their job to lay down the rules and create a mechanism to impose those rules.

They should have made it clear that franchise owners and brand ambassadors will not mingle with the players.

PCB goofed up and downplayed the situation. It is futile to pass the blame on the franchises.

 

[Savak]

No bio secure bubble can succeed unless everyone buys into it. That said the PCB should have acted tough on the players and franchise owners from the very beginning

 

[Mamoon]

If the PSL who would have gone smoothly, everyone would be praising PCB and how they handled the tournament in the pandemic with professionalism and competence.

No one would be uttering a word to praise the franchises for adhering to the SOPs. However, now that PCB has failed with flying colors, we have to bash the franchises to protect the incompetent leadership of PCB because political allegiances.

One can imagine the hue and cry if this happened under the previous PCB administration.

 

[Rana]

PCB obviously. They didn’t set rules that’s why players and franchises did what they wanted to do.

This is libellous

Are you sure that the PCB did not set rules?

 

[Abu_Hamza]

I agree with Sir [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]. This all happend under the umbrella of PCB. They allowed it to happen, cant blame others if u urself allow others to have their way. Yes it was the responsibility of everyone involved with PSL to make this a successful edition but ultimately its PCB who had to dictate the terms if someone tried to be adventurous, which it didnt. Can u expect something of this level happening in IPL where BCCI will be a mere spectator and franchises will act like morons and no one to show them their place. Perhaps PCB feared that policing gets the franchises angry as JAVED AFRIDI threatend to pull PZ team out of the league. So, they became a mute spectator after that. But thats just one part of it, there were many things which could have been avoided like the choice of the hotel for the players and support staff of the franchises and what about isolation period of just 3 days. I mean who makes such absurd guidelines of their own. Someone from mars or jupiter. PCB failed themselves over this too. Were they threatend over this too by franchises ? They cant say that this was also a collective responsibility of all. It was a total recipe for disaster and fittingly it happend so. PCB never learns and act as a proffessional board. Hopefully no lessons will be learnt after this also as the report will blame and make PCB responsible for all the fiasco which is a fact. So the report will be brushed under the carpet with some employees of PCB getting sacked to make an impression that they are serious about it and taking actions over it. And it will be business as usual.

 

[Abu_Hamza]

Pcb allowed franchises to break the rules. So what difference does it make even if they had set the rules. It seems as if there was literally no rule for franchises, the way they did what they wanted. They made a mockery of rules. And PCB allowed it to happen as if there was no rule which existed for franchises.

 

[Hasan123]

This is libellous

Are you sure that the PCB did not set rules?

If they set clear rules, no one would break them. Look at the IPL, the rules were clear and there was no issues.

The players and franchises should have known better but when they are not given clear guidelines, they will do what they want.

 

[Mamoon]

This drama of dumping the blame on the franchises is not working because PCB were lax to begin with.

If PCB had laid down the rules and made it clear the franchise owners, brand ambassadors and everyone outside the bubble will not be allowed to mingle with the players and the team management, PCB would be in a strong position today with a lot of leverage.

However, that is not the case because showed weak leadership to begin with. That is why Wasim Khan is mumbling nervously in the media because he knows that it is a result of his carelessness.

 

[Savak]

I agree with Sir [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]. This all happend under the umbrella of PCB. They allowed it to happen, cant blame others if u urself allow others to have their way. Yes it was the responsibility of everyone involved with PSL to make this a successful edition but ultimately its PCB who had to dictate the terms if someone tried to be adventurous, which it didnt. Can u expect something of this level happening in IPL where BCCI will be a mere spectator and franchises will act like morons and no one to show them their place. Perhaps PCB feared that policing gets the franchises angry as JAVED AFRIDI threatend to pull PZ team out of the league. So, they became a mute spectator after that. But thats just one part of it, there were many things which could have been avoided like the choice of the hotel for the players and support staff of the franchises and what about isolation period of just 3 days. I mean who makes such absurd guidelines of their own. Someone from mars or jupiter. PCB failed themselves over this too. Were they threatend over this too by franchises ? They cant say that this was also a collective responsibility of all. It was a total recipe for disaster and fittingly it happend so. PCB never learns and act as a proffessional board. Hopefully no lessons will be learnt after this also as the report will blame and make PCB responsible for all the fiasco which is a fact. So the report will be brushed under the carpet with some employees of PCB getting sacked to make an impression that they are serious about it and taking actions over it. And it will be business as usual.

Please take what Mamoon says with a pinch of salt and chilli powder. If this happened under Sethi ie PML-N appointee, he would be writing paragraphs explaining how Sethi alone cannot be blamed for this mess, that our nation is mediocre, franchises are mediocre and we deserve nothing less.

Because EM, WK are IK appointees. He is putting a different spin on things

 

[Mamoon]

Over the past few days, the strongest and most confident statements have from the franchises. They know they are not to be blamed because PCB did not provide any guidelines.

PCB has no leverage here and they can only give weak and meek statements because they know they are guilty.

 

[JibranAnsari]

The seniors league has put pakistans future hosting in doubt.

 

[Abu_Hamza]

PCB have failed themselves, big time when there was a golden chance of assuring international teams that they are safe enough to be playing in PAKISTAN. Infact, now they have done just the opposite with PSL getting suspended that PAK is unsafe for international teams. Will PCB say to those cricket boards ''LOOK it was the fault of the franchises, we r not to be hold responsible for this". Blame them for this and we will provide you all the safety so u send ur team over here. It doesnt work like that. The foreign players must have told their respective cricket boards and other players that how casual and incompetent PCB was during this fiasco. Does anyone think that they will blame the team owners who pay them instead of PCB ?

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistani fans were irrationally trying to give credit to Wasim for bringing Test cricket, full PSL and the big sides to Pakistan when it was Sethi who laid the foundation and did the hard work on which Wasim capitalized by finding himself at the right place at the right time.

Now the same Wasim could prove to be the reason why teams refuse to tour Pakistan because PCB, under the leadership of Wasim, have shown that they are not capable of coping with the pandemic.

Life truly comes at you fast. Look at how the tables turn.

 

[Rana]

If they set clear rules, no one would break them. Look at the IPL, the rules were clear and there was no issues.

The players and franchises should have known better but when they are not given clear guidelines, they will do what they want.

Hassan you are a genius I must say.

There are clear guidelines for people to follow in England, yet 120k people have died.

Ash kar mera bhai, ash kar

 

[Hasan123]

Hassan you are a genius I must say.

There are clear guidelines for people to follow in England, yet 120k people have died.

Ash kar mera bhai, ash kar

We are not talking about England. We are talking about the PSL bubble. You don't need to play PCB apologist. They didn't set rules. If they were set rules, they would have no choice to follow them as there would be punishments for not following rules.

Keep on playing PCB apologists. If teams don't tour Pakistan, it won't be because they don’t trust PSL franchies. It's because they don’t trust the PCB. If PSL was held without any incident, you would be praising the PCB. But now when there is an incident, it's someone else's fault. Not the organisers of the competition.

 

[JaDed]

Hassan you are a genius I must say.

There are clear guidelines for people to follow in England, yet 120k people have died.

Ash kar mera bhai, ash kar

PCB is like a corporation , it cannot be compared to England but to Costco, Tesla, M&S where people are contracted to them and ones being provided salary to so are also answerable.

 

[Saj]

I don't think the full facts will ever be known and that makes it difficult to know who actually is to blame. They can have as many independent inquiries as they like, but there will be a cover-up of some of the facts.

Even now bits and pieces of information is coming out, for example the case of the positive test in the Multan Sultans camp which PCB tried to keep quiet. News of more positive tests is coming out.

The whole thing has a stench of unprofessionalism and dishonesty from all quarters, which makes PCB and the franchises lose credibility.

Also, who will trust these guys in future? I wouldn't.

 

[Rana]

We are not talking about England. We are talking about the PSL bubble. You don't need to play PCB apologist. They didn't set rules. If they were set rules, they would have no choice to follow them as there would be punishments for not following rules.

Keep on playing PCB apologists. If teams don't tour Pakistan, it won't be because they don’t trust PSL franchies. It's because they don’t trust the PCB. If PSL was held without any incident, you would be praising the PCB. But now when there is an incident, it's someone else's fault. Not the organisers of the competition.

Apologists for the PCB? This is as humanitarian crisis, and all of these cricketers plus professionals know how to ensure that their money is made following Sops and covid guidelines for professional sportsmen throughout the world.

I ask you again, are you sure the PCB did not set rules and punishments for those who didn’t follow the rules? If not, then I would refrain from making libellous claims.

 

[cricketerB94]

By looking at the way the franchises are putting all the blame on PCB and PCB is not responding with anything in public, I think that there were rules and guidelines and SOPs and all the things set by PCB and then it was the PCB who could not follow those SOPs themselves and then the franchises started following PCB. PCB could not do anything and still not able to do anything because it was PCB officials who started breaching the SOPs first. This is what I think.

 

[bilawal666]

It's a collective failure.

 

[Savak]

By looking at the way the franchises are putting all the blame on PCB and PCB is not responding with anything in public, I think that there were rules and guidelines and SOPs and all the things set by PCB and then it was the PCB who could not follow those SOPs themselves and then the franchises started following PCB. PCB could not do anything and still not able to do anything because it was PCB officials who started breaching the SOPs first. This is what I think.

The PCB is looking at the overall picture. If they do not quickly get things back on track, they are looking at $15 million in losses. They need to quickly restore confidence among everyone that things are back in control.

But I think Wasim Khan will likely look to leave now.

 

[MenInG]

Problem now is that no one will accept blame - that's where the independent inquiry should have come in handy but seems the 2-person panel will only look at the medical aspects and not the organizational ones.

 

[Arajit]

Its not just about setting SOPs and Rules. The Organizing Agency has to enforce those rules through penalties. Has PCB/PSL penalized anybody on any breach at the very moment, when the so called breach happened. I doubt.

It is like Traffic Rules. There are traffic rules which prohibits vehicles not to cross stop line when signal is red. If any breach of that rule is not penalized, every vehicle owner will get courage to flaunt the rule.
If the Traffic Police (enforcement agency for Traffic Rules) doesn't penalize anybody for breach of Traffic Rules and People go on flaunting the Traffic Rules, The Traffic Police is to be blamed not the Vehicle Owners.

And in this case PCB/PSL kept quite on breaches without any penalty or didn't have courage to penalize anybody or PCB/PSL didnt have any rules/SOPs at the first place or they them selves flaunted rules/SOPs. In each case PCB/PSL is to be blamed.

 

[OMB]

It's a collective failure.

Collective failure is alright in principle but organisers have a responsibility to avoid the lax measures.
Covid-19 cases may still happen due to some error but there cant be a spate of it the way it is coming out in reports.

 

[leg-side-flick]

Collective failure is alright in principle but organisers have a responsibility to avoid the lax measures.
Covid-19 cases may still happen due to some error but there cant be a spate of it the way it is coming out in reports.

Collective responsibility means no ones responsibility

We are all in this together means no one is to be blamed

Yeh sab ek month chalega and then,

We need to take learnings from past and move on, the show must not stop...


Rinse and Repeat hoga yeh cycle

 

[Savak]

There should have been a SC JIT commission on this debacle

 

[Saj]

I have a feeling the guy who has already handed in his resignation will get most of the blame, with the others coming out of this unscathed.

The PSL will continue in the hope that Covid doesn't become an issue in future and the same people will still be around still being unprofessional.

 

[Savak]

Time to put Covid and police officers outside the rooms of players and officials to guarantee compliance

 

[MenInG]

Rashid Latif speaking on TV regarding PSL management:

“It seems to me that the PSL’s head has never even organized a tape ball tournament, let alone a league of this importance. He should be sacked for his incompetency,”

“How can you give such a big tournament and whole Pakistan’s cricket management in someone’s hand who doesn’t have the experience of it,”

“There is obviously a need to hire specialist people for such positions as only competent people can deal smartly with such things”

 

[JattMaula]

Collective responsibility means no ones responsibility

We are all in this together means no one is to be blamed

Yeh sab ek month chalega and then,

We need to take learnings from past and move on, the show must not stop...


Rinse and Repeat hoga yeh cycle

Reading between the lines at its finest.

Truth is PCB doesn't really consider covid a threat. It slapped on some surface level SOPs and they remained just on paper. Didn't even try to implement those seriously.

Definition odlf "Chalta hai" attitude.

 

[OMB]

Collective responsibility means no ones responsibility

We are all in this together means no one is to be blamed

Yeh sab ek month chalega and then,

We need to take learnings from past and move on, the show must not stop...


Rinse and Repeat hoga yeh cycle

Now since the revised dates have been announced, the matter will die down quietly. Franchise and the board have come to an agreement.
Now it will be time to brush everything under the carpet and just hope everyone focusses on the game.

 

[MenInG]

Mohammad Hafeez speaking about the PSL 6 postponement

“I find this to be an unfortunate scenario as a Pakistani and as a cricketer as we have all played a role in bringing cricket back to Pakistan and this happens. Whether you label it as mismanagement or call it bad planning, the fact is that its happens"

"To put the blame on one person and walk away is not the right thing to do - we need to feel that as Pakistanis how our reputation has taken a backward step"

“I hope things are planned and managed better from here so nothing like this happens again as our reputation has taken a major hit, although I feel saddened by it because it was avoidable"

 

[leg-side-flick]

I have started to become a fan of Hafeez 2.0......

 

[Savak]

I would recommend the Federal and Provincial Governments appoint security officers to baby sit the Franchise owners and players to prevent a repeat of the same episode again

 

[Saj]

Behave irresponsibly - get treated like kids. It looks like some of the players, owners and officials need to be tagged during the remainder of the PSL in June, otherwise it'll be the same issues once again.

 

[Firebat]

Mohammad Amir said that the outsiders shouldn't have been allowed inside the hotel. “There were two lifts at the hotel, one for players and other for the rest of the visitors. There was a wooden stand to separate the two but the people using the lifts could still talk and see each other. Covid would not run away after seeing that piece of wood,” he said.

“Outsiders should not have been allowed at the hotel and the staff should have stayed in the bubble throughout the event."

“I played at the T10 League and the Lanka Premier League (LPL) where the hotel was fully booked for the players and no outsiders were allowed. Every team had their separate lifts and teams were restricted to their designated floors,” Amir said while talking about his bio-bubble experience while playing the Lanka Premier League.

“Each team had their separate gym and pool sessions. After one team had used the gym the other had to wait for 20 minutes so that the area could be sanitized properly,” he added.