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Who should be blamed for Umar Akmal's poor score?

Akmal fan's logic: Akmal is not performing he should be given more series. :))
 
Hasan123 said:
I'm not saying dropping him. Yes it's his comeback series but he's been around long enough.You will has Nawaz , Imad, etc even though they are new to international cricket but someone who has been around for over 7 years and still failing is seen as "out of form".
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Like I said, bad form is different from lack of ability and limited skillset. Those who cannot play at this level are called out by me.

Umar, despite his poor form before his drop, was averaging similar to our other bats -- but at a stark difference: strike rate much higher than the 60s and 70s SR batsmen in our team.

He's generally badly treated, despite having decent/better numbers than others.
 
Hasan123 said:
I'm not saying dropping him. Yes it's his comeback series but he's been around long enough.You will has Nawaz , Imad, etc even though they are new to international cricket but someone who has been around for over 7 years and still failing is seen as "out of form".
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*you will bash
 
He did come in with the rrr at 9 and seemed to be stuck in two minds, whether to blast away or play himself in and in the end, he chose the latter and it didn't work out.

Needs a series at no. 4 or 3.
 
MRSN said:
his poor patch continues. but his innings in 2nd and 3rd ODI weren't bad. I know he is in immense pressure and not in great form of his life so I will give him benefit of the doubt. he is much much better player than we saw tonight. But knowing our resources I will not dump him after this series. WI should be the last series before we sent him to domestic cricket again.
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He has lost his ability to pace his innings, he is strictly t20 material now where he has no pressure on how to play out the overs..

You can almost read it from Akmal's face that he is in two minds on whether to block or blast.. he doesn't enjoy the staying on pitch, single doubles game..

He loves the big shot.. in t20 there is no restriction for that..

But in ODI you have to think about it since you have to build a partnership..

Its not pressure, he enjoys the boundary game.. and needs a license to do that whenever he wants
 
waleed88 said:
He has lost his ability to pace his innings, he is strictly t20 material now where he has no pressure on how to play out the overs..

You can almost read it from Akmal's face that he is in two minds on whether to block or blast.. he doesn't enjoy the staying on pitch, single doubles game..

He loves the big shot.. in t20 there is no restriction for that..

But in ODI you have to think about it since you have to build a partnership..

Its not pressure, he enjoys the boundary game.. and needs a license to do that whenever he wants
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I might have agreed with you but then he looked really solid after Wade's let off in the 3rd ODI. It was too much for him to do today. come out and hit boundaries from the word go. He is still finding his feet and battling his lost form. I think we need to show patience with him for one more series. trust me we have bigger problems than Umar Akmal at the moment.
 
Today's game was lost when Malik and Hafeez let the RR slip to 9+ in no time. We shouldn't forget that.
 
Let the guy open and play his shots. It's kind of hilarious watching him bat at 6 trying to assess the situation and identify which shots would be risk-free. He simply doesn't have the brain for that. It will always result in him getting in two minds and self implosion. He likes going aerial and no better time for that than as opener. He can't take that route with 4-5 patrolling the boundary.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Let the guy open and play his shots. It's kind of hilarious watching him bat at 6 trying to assess the situation and identify which shots would be risk-free. He simply doesn't have the brain for that. It will always result in him getting in two minds and self implosion. He likes going aerial and no better time for that than as opener. He can't take that route with 4-5 patrolling the boundary.
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What shots? They are non-existent these days.
 
"Who should be blamed for Akmal's poor score"

The people who selected him, and the stupid fans who celebrate his umpteenth return, and expect glory from a walking talking selfish poison. How many times has he let you all down? How many times will he continue doing so? And finally, how many times will you continue to expect him to deliver anything other than he always does?
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Let the guy open and play his shots. It's kind of hilarious watching him bat at 6 trying to assess the situation and identify which shots would be risk-free. He simply doesn't have the brain for that. It will always result in him getting in two minds and self implosion. He likes going aerial and no better time for that than as opener. He can't take that route with 4-5 patrolling the boundary.
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Agree with this. Umar opening isn't really ideal, it's just a last ditch effort to not make waste of such a talent. Obviously up the order, his technique will be tested more and his ability against pace, but we kind of hope with his talent he'll be alright.
 
MenInG said:
Can we just give Umar Akmal this series to prove himself? He is not a robot! You dont drop a player into a series and clap your hands and expect him to start hitting 100 in every match. He needs to get back into the feel of international cricket and the tour of Australia isnt exactly the best place for that.
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I would normally agree on this but Umar Akmal has not shown any signs whatsoever that he has improved ever since being dropped in 2015 i.e. temperament issues, not playing according to the match requirements, lacking impact etc.
 
MRSN said:
I might have agreed with you but then he looked really solid after Wade's let off in the 3rd ODI. It was too much for him to do today. come out and hit boundaries from the word go. He is still finding his feet and battling his lost form. I think we need to show patience with him for one more series. trust me we have bigger problems than Umar Akmal at the moment.
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I would've agreed with you, but the question is intent.. Intent was not there, if he had no played at a strike rate of 44, I would've probably defended him, he didn't at any point look like he is gonna take the bowlers on.. the body language was very negative as well.. no defence for shrugged shoulders
 
Since 2014, Umar Akmal averages 22 against top 8 odi teams with 3 fifties in 22 innings. Great talent.
 
He's played 115 matches and he's still doing dumb stuff he has done since his hot streak ended. He's still out of shape......We have to give him a long rest and see if the empty space in his brain fills up. Otherwise have to move on. His problem isn't natural talent. Its physical fitness and mental fitness.

You gotta start thinking 5 years from now. Build for the future. Give the young guys some exposure.
 
vandokkum said:
Since 2014, Umar Akmal averages 22 against top 8 odi teams with 3 fifties in 22 innings. Great talent.
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You do realize he was dropped and benched in the 2014 year for better technique Shafiq and experienced YK by captain Misbah? And you also realize he missed one year of cricket due to Misbbah and Waqar making him the scapegoat of 2015 world cup?

it's really unfair how Umar Akmal has been treated.
 
waleed88 said:
I would've agreed with you, but the question is intent.. Intent was not there, if he had no played at a strike rate of 44, I would've probably defended him, he didn't at any point look like he is gonna take the bowlers on.. the body language was very negative as well.. no defence for shrugged shoulders
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as I said intent comes with confidence and better form. Umar Akmal is in immense pressure to make his place in the next series. He also has earned this reputation of bbeing the slogger and he don't want to end the series with that negative thought. That's why he was very cautious after the let off by Wade in 3rd game and today. I am pretty sure an inform and better confident UA would have done way better in today's situation. It was infact tailor made for him but just not right time in his career.
 
He is to blame. No one else should be blamed. In any other country the fans, media, selectors, coach would be holding the player accountable after this many failures. In Pakistan you have his fans and sections of the media blaming everyone else other than Umar.
 
Honestly whoever supports or defends Umar Akmal has lost his brain cells just like this hack of a 'talent'. There is only one sentence for him: A tried and tested FAILURE.

Never have I seen someone so selfish and self centered(barring Ahmed Shehzad) keep coming back to play for a team again and again, and gradually decaying in the process. Leave everything else, his bodyweight alone should tell you guys how dedicated he is to play for Pakistan.
 
Syed1 said:
Yeah the entire world is after supa dupa talented Umar Akmal. I even heard Misbah and Waqar have also conspired to put extra ghee in Umar Akmal's roti which has resulted in his big bulging belly and double chin. Damn you Misbah and Waqar, why you do this to poor Umar? :danish
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ha ha ha...........
Take responsibility for your own actions. Umar Akmal has been in team for 4+ years now. His game from day 1 has not evolved. Same horrible shot selection during crunch time, throwing away wickets, selfish attitude, immature off the field. And during this time top coaches have exposed him.
 
I blame Misbah.

He made Umar bat so slowly today and play a poor shot.

#MisbahsFault
 
ZoabKhan said:
ha ha ha...........
Take responsibility for your own actions. Umar Akmal has been in team for 4+ years now. His game from day 1 has not evolved. Same horrible shot selection during crunch time, throwing away wickets, selfish attitude, immature off the field. And during this time top coaches have exposed him.
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4 years?!
Umar Akmal played 10 ODIs and 4 Tests in 2009!

he's been an international player for about 8 years now, and has absolutely nothing to show for after his first year

he's a massive disappointment
 
He has only himself to blame. He hasn't curbed his game to allow him to hit big scores when he can, he's always looking for the ugly swipe to midwicket and he's made strings of low scores in a couple of years. Fitness wise tells you how motivated he is to do well for Pak, shows that replacement is an option we need to take.
 
I blame his brain! With all his talent, he can score fifities and centuries for fun, but I don't think he understands how talented he is. He has played 100+ odis and he still has not figured it out. Averages 33 in both Odis and list A games. Pakistan cricket needs to move on. This should be his last series.
 
Another massive opportunity for the youngster. Stage is set for him to attack the Aussie bowlers on a flat pitch and prove his world class talent. Lets see how this goes.
 
Until he bats at number 4 I don't think we can judge or fault him. Number 6 is not his slot it's neither here or there position. Watching Hafeez and Malik coming ahead of him must be demoralizing.
 
Syed1 said:
Akmal fan's logic: Akmal is not performing he should be given more series. :))
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I don't know what's with those fans, seriously he had been given enough chances he hasn't won us any game on his own, his hitting ability is somewhat finished! Unable to score anywhere near his avg st,rate on the dip and some guys just can't get enough of him!! Its time to get rid of such overrated players and we need to bring in some new blood!!
 
He should stay there till the end and get a big score to get some confidence
 
Not his fault, this one.

Was left in a hopeless situation.
 
Looked good today. Too bad he had to come in in this series whenever the game was lost. Remove that rubbish opener we have and replace him with Umar. He obviously has ability and it's time he opens. People who support rubbish like Azhar opening deserve this ranking. It's time we took a risk
 
I'm not his greatest fan but it's pointless blaming him today.

The chase was killed before he came in.
 
I wonder if Handscomb has saved his career.

After being dropped we saw decent umar for the first time in a while. He has disappointed me endlessly but i hope he gets picked for windes.

This is more due to fact i see no other lower order batsman in pak capable of having a go except maqsood, and umar is better than him.

at number 7 we will need another allrounder


hopefullly PSL gives us a lower order striker like it gave us Sharjeel
 
looked very good. As I have said before the more Umar Akmal plays in the team the better he gets.

He is too good player to not come off. We should stop investing in players like Rizwan and Azhar who are hopeless ODI players. Umar should be backed. He is a very good player as he showed it tonight he still has all the shots and quality against quality bowlers.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
I wonder if Handscomb has saved his career.

After being dropped we saw decent umar for the first time in a while. He has disappointed me endlessly but i hope he gets picked for windes.

This is more due to fact i see no other lower order batsman in pak capable of having a go except maqsood, and umar is better than him.

at number 7 we will need another allrounder


hopefullly PSL gives us a lower order striker like it gave us Sharjeel
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Enough with playing him in the lower order. Is too brainless to play according to the situation but has a lot of ability and is technically good. I back him to do really well if he opens with Sharjeel
 
aliasad1998 said:
Enough with playing him in the lower order. Is too brainless to play according to the situation but has a lot of ability and is technically good. I back him to do really well if he opens with Sharjeel
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cant have all the eggs in one basket, have to spread them out.

Id rather have someone used to opening there like shazaib
 
Opening is the only slot where he could succeed a bit. Mind you I am not saying he would. Same with kamran akhmal as well.
 
Need to keep him in the team a little longer, as long as he doesn't blv in the excuses that fans are giving on this thread. Although I think Mickey will make a stink about his fi(a)t(t)ness.
 
Pollack said:
Opening is the only slot where he could succeed a bit. Mind you I am not saying he would. Same with kamran akhmal as well.
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Kamran is scoring at a strike rate of 70 in domestic tournaments, so no.
 
I repeat,


For number 6 in Odi's you need a player who is super fit, whose batting Intelligence is A+, whose calculations are A+, who is patient and can play with the bowlers mind with his planning and execution of shots to offset their line and length and to force them to get out of their comfort zone.


Not Just the ability to hit Big


In all the areas I have mentioned Umar as a finisher which he is not can be graded as a " B Grade Batsman "


I maintain,

Umar Akmal should not be selected in Pakistan Odi Squad or Playing Eleven if he is not going to bat at number 3 or number 4.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
I repeat,


For number 6 in Odi's you need a player who is super fit, whose batting Intelligence is A+, whose calculations are A+, who is patient and can play with the bowlers mind with his planning and execution of shots to offset their line and length and to force them to get out of their comfort zone.


Not Just the ability to hit Big


In all the areas I have mentioned Umar as a finisher which he is not can be graded as a " B Grade Batsman "


I maintain,

Umar Akmal should not be selected in Pakistan Odi Squad or Playing Eleven if he is not going to bat at number 3 or number 4.
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Umar Akmal can't even bat at #3 or #4 either. What a delusion
 
Why do people automatically assume he will do well if he is higher up in the batting order? He has shown zero ability to build an innings. He gets out not because fielders are outside but while trying to slog in the same places (slog to leg boundary, slog to short ball and late cut being caught by keeper) so how will having the field up help him when he hits to the same places and even in first 10 overs opposition can place fielders there?

1) Does he have the ability to play and respect the moving ball without throwing it away?

2) Can he find the gaps on the field without hitting in the air?

3) Can he milk singles and twos even with the field up?

4) Can he build long innings with patience?

5) Can he chose not to play his favorite slogs to places where captains will have fielders for him even in the first ten overs?

Answer based on his current form seems to be NO

All other teams have specialist openers who prove themselves, only Pak fans want to go back to the 90s style of playing pinch hitters.
 
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TalentSpotterPk said:
Judgemental, Supremacist


Out of 105 innings. Only 1 at number 3 and 5 at number 4.


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His style of play seems more suited to a lower order player though. He moves around his crease (ala De Villers). De Villers would also be a terrible opener despite his skills
 
If Harris is back , he will be playing at number 4 , Sarfraz at 5 and Khalid latif and umar akmal will fight for number 6
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Judgemental, Supremacist


Out of 105 innings. Only 1 at number 3 and 5 at number 4.


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Umar Akmal has regressed a whole lot this time around, he is very unfit and mentally unstable, he has been very disappointing...We have to look else where.

The reason Umar is not tried up the order is simple, he does not think or operate like a batsman... His hard hitting is not like even Sharjeel, who is improving and takes calculated risk, not wild slogs. Sharjeel cut/pull is lot stronger than Umar, he forces bowler to pitch it up, that he can wack, Umar has shown no game plan...when he starts hitting he goes wild, without any game plan.

Secondly, his defense is very weak for a top order batsman. He has not improved in this area for 7 years, that tells me he never model himself after batsmen, probably idolizing Afridi did not help him to develop as batsmen. His defense is weak against both spinner and pacer, how he try to get out of difficult situations, go wild slogging, that has never worked. Did you ever remember any innings of Umar in difficult situations?? - Where you have to grind and fight out tough phase??

He had the talent to be a good top order batsman, in a team like Pakistan that's pretty easy, now he looks completely lost 😡😡
 
JibranAnsari said:
If Harris is back , he will be playing at number 4 , Sarfraz at 5 and Khalid latif and umar akmal will fight for number 6
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Why would he have to fight for a place with a hack? last time I saw him batting he was owned by Sohail Khan snr. in the semi final of One day tournament after batting selfishly chasing a 300+ total.
 
Indiafan said:
Why do people automatically assume he will do well if he is higher up in the batting order? He has shown zero ability to build an innings. He gets out not because fielders are outside but while trying to slog in the same places (slog to leg boundary, slog to short ball and late cut being caught by keeper) so how will having the field up help him when he hits to the same places and even in first 10 overs opposition can place fielders there?

1) Does he have the ability to play and respect the moving ball without throwing it away?

2) Can he find the gaps on the field without hitting in the air?

3) Can he milk singles and twos even with the field up?

4) Can he build long innings with patience?

5) Can he chose not to play his favorite slogs to places where captains will have fielders for him even in the first ten overs?

Answer based on his current form seems to be NO

All other teams have specialist openers who prove themselves, only Pak fans want to go back to the 90s style of playing pinch hitters.
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Umar Akmal is a more than mere pinch hitter. He showed it today that he can take calculated risk not just go brainless slogging like Afridi which means he has more chances of being successful as an opener because he can bat with less pressure and more with his natural flair.

Problem is we have not found any explosive batsman who can bat with 100+ at 6.
 
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Chief Destroyer said:
Let the guy open and play his shots. It's kind of hilarious watching him bat at 6 trying to assess the situation and identify which shots would be risk-free. He simply doesn't have the brain for that. It will always result in him getting in two minds and self implosion. He likes going aerial and no better time for that than as opener. He can't take that route with 4-5 patrolling the boundary.
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wish Arthur can hear your reasoning and do it
 
Everyone even we have to blame Australia too that their bowlers didn't let him play or make him more runs..
thats really really stupid thing from our some Fans (Specially Umar's fan) who still thinks that he is better than Babar too..Simply he is not good enough..he was crying for 3,4 position now what should we do ?
for a guy like him who don't even know how rotate strike wont do anything..believe it or let him play
now some fans are saying he should open,now we should ignore Shahzaib , Fakhar etc and let him play as an opener because he is Umar Akmal...:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
 
If you compare Babar Azam to Junior you'll know the blame lies on Akmal genes. It's obviously because of that why both Kamran and Junior are mental midgets, who after playing the game for decades are still prone to brain farts.

This tour was eye opening for most of us...real talent is someone like Sharjeel or Babar. Junior is a product of fluke and over hyping by some really dense fans.
 
Indiafan said:
Why do people automatically assume he will do well if he is higher up in the batting order? He has shown zero ability to build an innings. He gets out not because fielders are outside but while trying to slog in the same places (slog to leg boundary, slog to short ball and late cut being caught by keeper) so how will having the field up help him when he hits to the same places and even in first 10 overs opposition can place fielders there?

1) Does he have the ability to play and respect the moving ball without throwing it away?

2) Can he find the gaps on the field without hitting in the air?

3) Can he milk singles and twos even with the field up?

4) Can he build long innings with patience?

5) Can he chose not to play his favorite slogs to places where captains will have fielders for him even in the first ten overs?

Answer based on his current form seems to be NO

All other teams have specialist openers who prove themselves, only Pak fans want to go back to the 90s style of playing pinch hitters.
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Had to be said. I don't see why more people do not understand this. If he is struggling to even find gaps and is huffing and puffing at number 6, I don't see him building a long innings early on either. Just because opening came good for Rohit Sharma, doesn't mean it will for UAkmal too.
 
MRSN said:
You do realize he was dropped and benched in the 2014 year for better technique Shafiq and experienced YK by captain Misbah? And you also realize he missed one year of cricket due to Misbbah and Waqar making him the scapegoat of 2015 world cup?

it's really unfair how Umar Akmal has been treated.
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Lol you do realised he was dropped or benched due to poor performances

You're making t sound like as if he was scoring back to back hundreds and was scapegoated and dropped for no reason

He was dropped for nonexistent performances
 
yaar jaan chor do Umar Akmal ki
useless player hai
he had potential
now he is bang average
not fit enough as a bonus
 
I think we should try Shadab Khan at number 6 replacing Akmal. Lineup looking like this:

1. Shehzad
2. Fakhar Zaman
3. Babar Azam
4. Malik
5. Sarfaraz
6. Shadab Khan
7. Imad Wasim/Hasan Khan
8. Aamer Yamin/Amad Butt
 
So after a fifty in the last match, today he runs out his captain and out for 1 (5).

No consistency with this guy.
 
Its Friday and if it was Tuesday Akmal would have scored a 100 at a strike rate of 355
 
its too much to expect Umar to perform two games in a row. He will always be a once in a blue moon performer
 
What poor score? He has been a success for 81.367% of his career.

Regards,

[MENTION=136113]Barragan[/MENTION]
 
He has proved that he shouldn't be compared with Kohli.

Scored one more run than him today :salute
 
I heard that he was doing his job fine. There are too many hitters in his team so there is no point in constructing an inning. Just smash or get out.
 
Maybe we should try him as an opener? That'll definitely make him the great player he was always destined to be.
 
Akmal fans: Akmal gets bogged down when wickets fall around him :))
 
the cloudy conditions in Dubai unsettled Umar who was expecting clear blue skies. If there are clear blue skies we will see the best of Umar Akmal.
 
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