Is ishan banned now from tests and odi? That's a shame. he is talented. He could be used for aus tour.
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Yeah but that guy will team a great one I believe.he demands excellence like kohli from others and attitude is similar too.we may know in ipl 2,3 years. I don't think samson will last with out any output in his batting and results.
Yes Kohli was in God Mode in the first half of his captaincy.
Indian test team was in tatters under the ultra defensive captaincy of MS Dhoni and was ranked rock bottom when Kohli took over mid series that too in Australia. And he literally remodeled the team in his own image.
He was also lucky that he got some nice talents like Bumrah at the time and also someone like Shastri with whom he synced well. Also, the take over by Supreme Court happened around same time which actually made him more powerful and could get things done his way.
It's cruel irony of fate that despite all these he never won an ICC trophy.
Nevertheless the juggernaut Indian team that we see today owes a lot to him and he will go down in history as India's greatest test captain.
In all likelihood.
There are a thousand Ishans coming up through the system. One rotten apple can spoil the basket and talent cannot be an excuse for lack of integrity and professionalism in this Indian setup.
He tried to be oversmart thinking his boss Ambani would save him but Jay Shah had other ideas.
Well he won the mace 5 times in a row. That's greater than this useless wtc title.
That too in London. Lmao. Random one off event. Pointless one right after ipl. Etc. No prep.
However as an loi captain we should have always stuck with rohit from 2014 itself.
I heard apparently pandya influenced that decision. Lol poor chap. He listened to pandya.
But pandya is a key player for us in LOi. He might get some leeway. But if you are a youngster then bcci will crucify you for skipping india games.
Jaiswal and gill will lead Indian batting in future, one of them will Captain India for a long term ..Shubman gill has that selfish attitude in him to become a successful captain .. Jaiswal needs two to three years to consider for captaincy..
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Next captain in odi will decide it .if Gill is vice captain, he will get a good chance ahead. It's like kohli,rohit in 2013 style.Gill is in advance position. But he has to improve his test record and bat tough situations to claim it.
Yes Pandya definitely influenced it. Instead of playing for his domestic team as BCCI advised him, he went to train privately with the Pandya brothers ahead of the IPL.
The fact that Pandya facilitated it is what resulted in his removal from Indian captaincy, now possibly forever. Good move.
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Tactically, Pandya seems like a good captain. Winning the IPL in your first season as captain with a completely new team is no small feat. But personality-wise he does not seem like a good fit for this role. He seems like someone with a big ego who thinks of himself as a big star. There's nothing wrong with am athlete being overconfident but I would want a more level-headed and mature guy as captain. And with his history of injuries and workload management in mind, he is probably going to be missing alot of matches too. I think Suryakumar Yadav is the best option for India T20 captain right now.
Yes. He prioritized ipl over the nation. Personal brand over the team. Such a person is like that villain in Baahubali - strong , competent but not worthy to lead.
I love BCCI of now for this - no compromises on anyone who affects team discipline and deprioritizes national cricket. Any Talent is useless without discipline.
Same reason why they have sidelined Prithvi Shaw.
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Absolutely. He's a great player but he should never be made captain of India. There have been too many instances where he has shown his lack of maturity.
I think its necessary in a country like India that has such a massive talent pool and where the IPL can literally take you from rags to riches. You've gotta set some ground rules.
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Suryakumar Yadav as T20I captain of India
Won T20I series vs Australia (4-1) in November 2023
Leveled T20I Series vs South Africa (1-1) in December 2023
Won T20I series vs Australia (4-1) in November 2023
Leveled T20I Series vs South Africa (1-1) in December 2023
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Gautam Gambhir should recommend sacking Rohit Sharma, as he is not fit enough to win India the 2025 Champions Trophy or the World Test Championship. Shubman Gill should take over and be made the captain in all three formats.
What ???!!!
From where did you get this idea that Rohit is unfit ?
In the 2023-24 season, he played ODI World Cup and scored nearly 600 runs at 54 avg and 125 SR
Then he played all 5 tests of the Eng test series and scored 400 runs at 45 with a 100 and 2 fifties.
Now in the just concluded T20 WC, he made 257 runs at avg of 37 and strike rate of 157, despite having to play on some of the slowest pitches in the cup.
He scores the same as Virat Kohli does in the yoyo tests.
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I doubt he can perform under pressure so it would be better for SKY not to accept the captaincy and just focus on his batting because he is already 33 and there isn't much cricket left for him.
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On what basis are they considering SKY over Pandya? Pandya should be the LOI captain.
I would like to see Pant as the Test captain.
I would like to see Pant as the Test captain.
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Agree Pandya is a clutch player unlike SKY
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If Gautam Gambhir makes Surya the captain of the T-20i team Then :
Rohit and Surya will play under Hardik in IPL
Surya and Hardik will play under Rohit in ODI
Hardik will play under Surya in T-20i
Rohit and Surya will play under Hardik in IPL
Surya and Hardik will play under Rohit in ODI
Hardik will play under Surya in T-20i
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Seamers and seam bowling allrounders should not be given captaincy.
Their workloads need management and they won't play a lot of bilateral cricket because of that.
Their workloads need management and they won't play a lot of bilateral cricket because of that.
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In 94 Richie Richardson ,the. Captian of wi too a break from wi cricket for mental fatigue. Till he is back in 95 , Walsh used to be the captain. In 95 just before the aus series richie was back and he was not having much compatibility with team any more. He led wi to aus series defeat, eng series draw, wc sf ignominious exit in an year of imp events. out of sorts captain and temporary captain did nothing to wi rescue amid the downfall.
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As per reports, Rohit Sharma's Imprint On SKY Pipping Hardik Pandya For T20I Captaincy.
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Rohit has captained 3x in cups only each time improving from the previous encounters? So idek what you're on about
T20 2022 semi finalist.
Asia cup 2023 winner and unbeaten
2023 wc finalist and before the final unbeaten.
2024 t20 wc flawless victory.
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Rest are fine mate. I dont want to club odi victries against pak,sl in achievements .sry they were awful at best in odis and test matches
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Well yeah, Pakistan isn't anywhere close to India by any metric atm
Rohit might move out of MI in all likelihood.If Gautam Gambhir makes Surya the captain of the T-20i team Then :
Rohit and Surya will play under Hardik in IPL
Surya and Hardik will play under Rohit in ODI
Hardik will play under Surya in T-20i
I wouldn't be surprised if MI makes Surya MI captain given all the negative PR last year created plus the team's performance under him.
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Suryakumar Yadav is set to lead India in the T20I series, while Rohit Sharma will captain the ODI team during their tour of Sri Lanka in 2024
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He will be 34 in the next two months and will be 36 by the time of the next T20 WC. This is what you call a long-term plan.
Rohit was 37.5 when he captained India to a T20I world cup win with distinction.He will be 34 in the next two months and will be 36 by the time of the next T20 WC. This is what you call a long-term plan.
And he was made T20 captain at 36.
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Rohit had a proven IPL track record before captaining the national side, and that's why he was given captaincy. What has SKY done?
Fair point. I was only countering the age question. I feel SKY is more like a placeholder or a custodian till Gill is deemed to take on the mantle for long term.
Anyway captaincy in T20is is overrated. We have seen Rohit leading MI to title wins and very next year be at the bottom of points table with the same squad. It comes down to having the right mix of people who are in form and a bit of luck.
Anyway it's not like there are other captaincy contenders anyway. Clearly Hardik has now been shadow banned from captaincy, possibly forever, following the Ishan Kishen episode - and rightly so.
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Do you think Hardik will remain the captain of MI after such a horrible season?If Gautam Gambhir makes Surya the captain of the T-20i team Then :
Rohit and Surya will play under Hardik in IPL
Surya and Hardik will play under Rohit in ODI
Hardik will play under Surya in T-20i
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Feel like India are jumping the gun with Gill a bit. Don't know if he is ready for full-time captaincy at this stage of his career. But gotta give them credit for believing in him this early in his career. Asian teams almost always play it safe when it comes to their captains, and alot of the times it ends up ending badly. So maybe he is the man for the job after Rohit retires.
Kohli was made full time Test captain at the age of 26. He had a decent grooming period under Dhoni prior to that.
MS won a world cup as captain at 26 as well, he took up test captaincy shortly thereafter post a small grooming period under Kumble.
Gill is turning 25 in a few days. I think it's the right time to groom him to captaincy. I think he'll do well.
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Fair enough. Better than backing someone old I guess. He definitely has all the potential to be the next great all-format Indian batter. Hopefully he can groomed for that role under Rohit.
Yes.
In ODIs, Clearly India wants both Rohit and Kohli to be there during the CT which is just 8 months from now. So it makes total sense to have Rohit as captain till then and Gill gets a good period of being understudy to him.
In T20Is, it's a period of transition as 3 stalwarts have retired. It is natural that in this period there will be several combinations tried so that they can eventually zero in on a stable squad by sometime next year in the run up to the WC in 2026. Obviously trying various combinations will result in India losing a few and BCCI don't want Gill to be taking the blame for it (and quite fairly). Hence SKY as captain makes a lot of sense..
Already we saw some idiots blaming Gill for his captaincy in the Zim series - which India won convincingly anyways.
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Sky is one of the few permanent players in T20Is for India and also mostly injury free.
Fitness concerns and how vital Pandya is for India, I feel BCCI has taken the right call.
Pant is still getting back from injury others are pretty young. We have a rotating policy for bowlers.
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Its a stop gap , for Gill or anyone else to take over after 2026.He will be 34 in the next two months and will be 36 by the time of the next T20 WC. This is what you call a long-term plan.
It's hardly about the injury regarding Pandya though. It's to do with his lack of integrity and prioritization of moolah over nation.
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Exactly World Cup to World cup is a perfectly fine cycle for T20 captaincy. Build your team, compete in a major tournament and bow out. Especially in a format like 20-20 where form is so fickle and the game moves so fast, why would yo want to tie yourself to some long term captain who has to be selected irrespective of form.
I think it's a solid, well-chosen appointment.
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I have been a hater of Pandya for long bhai, but I have learned to respect him. I would go with the injury prone and work load management narrative on this one
I mean isn't it rather crystal clear why he is not the captain ? I don't think it's got to do with workload management. I mean how much cricket has he played in the last few years ?I have been a hater of Pandya for long bhai, but I have learned to respect him. I would go with the injury prone and work load management narrative on this one
He's a bad influence on others particularly gullible young players and BCCI does not want such guys in leadership positions. Not to mention questionable ethics matters such as sleeping over at a chief selectors place to earn captaincy. Lol.
I don't hate Hardik actually. He is a supremely talented all rounder. But no talent can be a substitute for discipline and ethics.
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Then why was Pandya the vice captain for the world cup of all things?
Sky could have been made VC, Pant was there, Kohli was there. If your point is true, Pandya would not even be considered for VC right after coming from long injury.
A last minute compromise as BCCI didn't want to throw the baby out wjth the bathwater. They obviously wanted Pandya the player fully committed to the team. They had invested in him over past few years as a player in the run up to this world cup and didn't want to risk it in the last minute.
Post the world cup, BCCI have jettisoned him and focusing on long term plans showing what they really think about him. Otherwise why select him but not as a leader now ? Especially that he had a good world cup and has a lot of sympathy gong for him on the personal front too ?
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I really want to believe the redemption story arc of Pandya where he has remorse over his past acts.
I hope your posts are not so true.
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It's really annoying when the likes of Pandya, Pietersen, Gayle (undeserving rogues) turn out so talented and so key to the success of the team. After all, most fans like their teams to be full of role model good boys but part of great sports team management is folding these guys into the team and giving them their due importance without letting it ruin the team dynamic. If you can't find a way to accommodate these meteors who'll come out of nowhere and make that difference, you're much less likely to build a great team.I really want to believe the redemption story arc of Pandya where he has remorse over his past acts.
I hope your posts are not so true.
It's less of a problem in cricket and even less India cricket which tends to be full of hard working disciplined work your way up through the ranks guys but football and American sports have them in heaps and have learned to live with them.
Pandya is our resident bad boy.
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Rishabh Pant would have been the captain of the Test & T20I team had he not had that accident.
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Pandya was thrown out by Gambhir as he had started to pick & choose.
Injured during the World Cup & played no first class cricket, straight into the IPL & T20 World Cup.
Hardik only wanted to be T20I captain & straight into Champions Trophy team without playing any ODIs, Gambhir & Agarkar had none of it & sidelined him.
Guess Gambhir wants Pandya to make himself available for the Australia test series with Shardul Thakur the all-rounder out of form.
Injured during the World Cup & played no first class cricket, straight into the IPL & T20 World Cup.
Hardik only wanted to be T20I captain & straight into Champions Trophy team without playing any ODIs, Gambhir & Agarkar had none of it & sidelined him.
Guess Gambhir wants Pandya to make himself available for the Australia test series with Shardul Thakur the all-rounder out of form.
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There is no reason Pandya shouldn't be prioritizing tests. He is one of the best all-rounders in the world. India are always missing something in SENA when they have Shardul in the seam-bowling all-rounder spot instead of Pandya.
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Hardik is more than handy, but he won't play any test match cricket.
Even he turns up in 3 out of 5 tests in Australia, India will breathe easy with Shardul Thakur the designated #7 in SENA countries now out of form.
But it won't happen, IPL & ICC Tournaments are priority for Hardik.
He won't go through domestic grind to get selected for the Australian test matches.
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Hardik in tests has always been better in theory than reality. Either skill isn't good enough to actually make a difference and his surgically retired back just can't take the burden of a 4-5 over spell.
We'll have to be satisfied with the batting stopping at Jadeja though Ashwin if we're playing him can bat.
Pandya hasn't played a test match for India in 6 years. SIX YEARS. India haven't done badly in these six years without him. In fact they won two series in Australia and drew five test series in Eng without him. India can't be thinking Pandya in tests. And Pandya doesn't want to play tests either. So it's a closed chapter.
I think you are being slightly unfair on Thakur. He's played all of 11 tests, and 9 of which have been away that too in Aus , Eng and SA. And he has hardly been utterly shabby.
He won instrumental with the bat and ball in thr famous wins at Brisbane and Oval. And his career best performance of a 7 for was sadly I a defeat at Centurion. The problem has been that Indian top order wasn't firing in these matches as they'd have expected putting extra pressure on the lower order.
But at 32, his peak could well be past him. I thi k India should still pick him. He has that kind of Guran from Lagaan mindset when it comes to the big matches. However with Jadeja being there as the allrounder, India might play an additional full seamer instead of him.
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Hardik is too injury prone for the rigour of tests, and haven't been needed in tests. Ashwin and Jadeja have been more than enough in all rounder roles.
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Yeah okay that's fair.
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If that is the case then he should retire from red-ball cricket altogether.
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If that is the case then he should announce his retirement from red-ball cricket. No reason to keep stringing the selectors along if your body is not capable of playing test cricket and you have no desire to play it either.
I don't want to take anything away from Shardul's performances in SENA. He has made some incredibly vital contributions for India with both bat and ball and a big role in some of India's most famous test wins in recent memory. But somehow he always looks like a bowler that teams could go after with ease and his batting is not good enough. I think the time is right to find someone and groom them for this role. Because if you don't have an effective seam-bowling all-rounder in your side, you will struggle to win test matches in SENA. Even if India do pick Shardul he is not a long-term option. And by the looks of it, he is already in decline.
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I think he's more of a break glass in case of emergency player for tests. We won't use him unless it's absolutely necessary. Usually we'll do fine with 2 seamers and 3 spin-allrounders (Jadeja, Axar and Ashwin) at home. Endless batting and plenty of bowling.
There's a real need for that seam bowling allrounder in tests abroad though - Maybe we can substitute by dropping Ashwin and playing Jadeja and Axar...both really solid batters. That will allow us to bowl Bumrah, Shami and Siraj in tandem.
I think his retirement is pretty clear from the fact that his last First Class match also was in 2018.
Unless he goes back to play Ranji, there is no question of being in the reckoning for a test spot.
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Yeah I don't think that he's stringing the selectors along in anyway. It's pretty clear on both sides that he's not in consideration for tests. The actual retirement announcement is only a formality which nobody really cares about.
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Yeah but personally I'm still not a fan of the idea of the selectors urging someone like Pandya to come back if he has made it clear he does not want to play test cricket. But yeah, India are definitely missing a trick not grooming someone young for that seam-bowling all-rounder role.
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We haven't been good at that since Kapil though. We've searched for years and years - Prabhakar, Agarkar, Pathan (and my PTSD is blocking a few) were the most likely though none really worked out. When one skill got good, the other suffered.
There's a couple of promising guys in the works but I'm not optimistic. Even Australia's not great with the role. The closest they have is Cummins and he's no great shakes as a batter. England, Pakistan, South Africa seem to find them more regularly.
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No doubt its hard to find someone that is good in both departments. And these days, keeping a seam-bowling all-rounder fit is an even bigger challenge because of the amount of cricket going on. I guess the most realistic thing that teams can hope for is having someone who is pretty good in one facet and then sharpens/improves the other facet over time.
I dunno about Pakistan being in that list anymore. Razzaq played his last match a long time ago. Aamer Jamal is a promising prospect but its too early to tell right now.
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Maybe it's just memory playing tricks on me but I've always felt you've tended to have a bowler or two who could tonk it around. Shaheen seems to be developing some skills in that department now. If he can end up with a 20 average, it'll be very useful. I think that's all that can be expected at 8.
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Yeah there have been plenty of bowlers who had the ability to tonk it around but none of them ever made any kind of effort to improve their batting. The lack of a seam-bowling all-rounder has been a big boon for us in SENA too because we don't have a good spin-bowling all-rounder either, which means that you play four fast-bowlers that are overbowled till they become completely ineffective.
Shaheen can hit the ball for sure but he's a completely brainless batter. There is no rhythm or reason to his batting...it's just blind slogging. Naseem Shah on the other hand does have some serious potential as a bowler who bat well.
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Yeah England has the best track record of those guys - Botham, Flintoff, Stokes, Curran(?) plus there have been a few trundlers along the way. Maybe in the subcontinent and India in particular, we train it out of these guys. Once a specific skill is discovered, there's coaching, training, academies etc. till we don't let the player develop as a whole...just total focus on the one main skill from a young age with endless repetition and practice. Just a theory.
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Bruv, no one cares about the Asia Cup and being a runner-up. An ODI World Cup win and a Test World Championship win weigh more than the T20I World Cup. He failed at that.
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How many cups is pakistan winning?
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Gambhir won't allow him to do that.
Days of picking & choosing formats are over for Indian players except for Rohit, Virat & Bumrah.
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This would have made some sense if it came from an Indian or a Sri Lankan fan , whose teams have won 8 and 6 Asia cups respectively.
But always amusing to see Pakistanis say this. Last time you guys won was when Manmohan was the PM of India.
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Yeah I think that's a fairly plausible theory. England has a very good track record. South Africa had Klusener, Pollock and Andrew Hall. Out of whom, Pollock in particular is maybe one of my favorite cricketers ever. New Zealand though probably has the most consistent track-record of producing such players. At one point they had Chris Cairns, Chris Harris, Dion Nash, with Astle and McMillan being pretty handy with the ball too. Then later they had Oram and Franklin, and more recently, de Grandhomme, Neesham. I'm sure I'm missing alot of other names too.
These are probably three teams that always have atleast one fairly good seam-bowling all-rounder around and more than a few to choose from.
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Not to forget, Richard Hadlee lol. The GOAT
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Pandya should be Bharat’s pink ball captain. He’s shown the right affinity towards that role.
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This is due to pitches in this countries assisting seam bowlers.
We find all rounder who are mostly spinners in India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh & Afghanistan as the wickets suit spinners.
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I don't care about Pakistan cricket at all anymore; it's almost finished. I was just commenting on who should be the next Indian captain and why.
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Fair enough.
But the "no one cares about Asia cup" is a bit of an exaggeration IMO. It's still a meaningful fun tournament and is valued by the players and fans. Just not as much as an ICC event.
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Ajit Agarkar spoke about Suryakumar Yadav being made T20I skipper over Hardik Pandya, during a press conference alongside India's Head Coach, Gautam Gambhir:
"We want a captain who can play all of the games. His skillset is difficult to find. Fitness has been a challenge for him. It becomes difficult for a coach and a selector. We have time till the next T20 World Cup. Fitness is a clear challenge. We want someone who is likely to be available more often than not. Surya has the qualities needed to succeed as a captain."
"We want a captain who can play all of the games. His skillset is difficult to find. Fitness has been a challenge for him. It becomes difficult for a coach and a selector. We have time till the next T20 World Cup. Fitness is a clear challenge. We want someone who is likely to be available more often than not. Surya has the qualities needed to succeed as a captain."
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Scott Styris speaking during an interview:
"Look, a vice-captain is just someone who is learning all about the leadership and how to run a cricket team. I have no problem with Shubman Gill being vice captain. He captains in the IPL. He captains a lot of big names, so there's not an issue with that. "
"It's more the long term picture. What it says to me, with Hardik Pandya not being captain, all the senior players retiring. Maybe Gautham Gambhir just doesn't see a natural leader at the moment, which is why he's gone for for Suryakumar Yadav as almost like a bridge or a temporary captain for a year or two. And then maybe Gill steps in in that role in a couple of years time."
Shubman Gill has a lot of growth yet to do in his own game. We've seen some really high quality performances for India, but it's now about consistency across those three formats. So it's almost like letting him learn how to be a captain. We've got an eye on you in the future, but at the moment we still just want you to concentrate on your cricket,"
"I think he's a short-term option. I don't think Gambhir has a natural captain amongst the players that he has right now. So, he's buying himself time as to who will be the next long-term captain."
"You know, someone like Gill I think could do the job for 10 years for India, but he's not quite ready right now, so I think it was a really smart decision to bring in someone with a bit more experience. Someone like Suryakumar make him captain. If he does a decent enough job, then he might be the captain at the next T20 World Cup. And then after that, you can look at Gill or any of the other potential options around. But yeah, I think it's a really clever decision,"
"Look, a vice-captain is just someone who is learning all about the leadership and how to run a cricket team. I have no problem with Shubman Gill being vice captain. He captains in the IPL. He captains a lot of big names, so there's not an issue with that. "
"It's more the long term picture. What it says to me, with Hardik Pandya not being captain, all the senior players retiring. Maybe Gautham Gambhir just doesn't see a natural leader at the moment, which is why he's gone for for Suryakumar Yadav as almost like a bridge or a temporary captain for a year or two. And then maybe Gill steps in in that role in a couple of years time."
Shubman Gill has a lot of growth yet to do in his own game. We've seen some really high quality performances for India, but it's now about consistency across those three formats. So it's almost like letting him learn how to be a captain. We've got an eye on you in the future, but at the moment we still just want you to concentrate on your cricket,"
"I think he's a short-term option. I don't think Gambhir has a natural captain amongst the players that he has right now. So, he's buying himself time as to who will be the next long-term captain."
"You know, someone like Gill I think could do the job for 10 years for India, but he's not quite ready right now, so I think it was a really smart decision to bring in someone with a bit more experience. Someone like Suryakumar make him captain. If he does a decent enough job, then he might be the captain at the next T20 World Cup. And then after that, you can look at Gill or any of the other potential options around. But yeah, I think it's a really clever decision,"
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