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Who was the best Pakistan cricketer of 2010s decade across all formats?

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For many country, answer is obvious.

For India, it was Kohli.

Australia - Smith

South Africa - Ab devilliers

But for Pakistan, there is no standout pick.

Options are - Saeed Ajmal, Younis Khan, Misbah

Saeed Ajmal might've been an obvious pick if his career wasn't cut short in 2014.

Younis khan was excellent in Tests in 2010s but was a failure in ODIs (didn't do well in 2011 and 2015 wc).

Misbah was a good batsmen in both ODIs and Tests. However He is also the most polarising player Pakistan ever had. Many people blame him for bringing tuk tuk and meek batting culture. While some praise him for being a stabilizing Pakistan cricket after Spot fixing scandal and rebuilding the reputation which was arguably more important at that time than actual cricket. Now Pakistan team is amongst the likeable team amongst the neutral fans.

Anyway, These 3 are the only options that I can think of.
 
Sarfaraz Ahmed.

As a player he's nothing special but pakistan hasn't had a true ambassador of the game since this guy.

He had a poor test run in 2018 and a poor odi run as captain in 2018 however his overall records overshadow that.

2015

Single Handidely + Wahab took Pakistan into QF and slapped Misbah fans right across the face for the previous games.

2017

As captain ensured the team reached ct from no 9 to no 8 rank. And then managed to play a crucial knock against sri lanka which ensured a spot in the semi's. The timely decison to include fakhar in the semi's really changed and turned Pakistan's fortunes around.

2018

Had an extremely successful t20 year as cap

2019

Beat England at their own game. Honestly defeating England in 2019 was one of my all time favourite Pakistan moments.


Cry Babies just dont appreciate the gem that he was. The fact remains pakistan from 2017-2019 kicks the crap out of 2024 pakistan in any format.

Test is the only exception due to the inclusion of sajid + Nouman but that has less to do with Shan and more to do with aqib making last minute changes.

No one has impacted Pakistan cricket more then sarfi did.

Only unintelligent and dishonest pakistani fans can disrespect an icc winning captain and throw him aside just to praise a chawal like rizwan.

Team ki halat dekho abhi.
 
Has to be Misbah ul Haq from Pakistan.

The one to rescue a sinking ship post 2009-11.

- Made us the number 1 ranked Test team.

- Beat India in India in ODIs! The famous AnayDo series, what a legend.

- Made us the first Asian team to beat SA in SA

- Asia Cup winners.

- Became the most successful Test captain Pakistan has ever had.

Very shrewd cricketing brain and as a leader respected by everyone.

Wasn’t perfect of course - and some uninformed critics will bring out a one sided argument only targeting white ball cricket, but come to think of it, we still don’t have the right white ball batting talent available today. Still can’t find reliable power hitters.
 
Has to be Misbah ul Haq from Pakistan.

The one to rescue a sinking ship post 2009-11.

- Made us the number 1 ranked Test team.

- Beat India in India in ODIs! The famous AnayDo series, what a legend.

- Made us the first Asian team to beat SA in SA

- Asia Cup winners.

- Became the most successful Test captain Pakistan has ever had.

Very shrewd cricketing brain and as a leader respected by everyone.

Wasn’t perfect of course - and some uninformed critics will bring out a one sided argument only targeting white ball cricket, but come to think of it, we still don’t have the right white ball batting talent available today. Still can’t find reliable power hitters.
Op is talking about the best, not the worst. Very rich of someone criticizing Babar and Rizwan when their favorite player is misbah.
 
Has to be Misbah ul Haq from Pakistan.

The one to rescue a sinking ship post 2009-11.

- Made us the number 1 ranked Test team.

- Beat India in India in ODIs! The famous AnayDo series, what a legend.

- Made us the first Asian team to beat SA in SA

- Asia Cup winners.

- Became the most successful Test captain Pakistan has ever had.

Very shrewd cricketing brain and as a leader respected by everyone.

Wasn’t perfect of course - and some uninformed critics will bring out a one sided argument only targeting white ball cricket, but come to think of it, we still don’t have the right white ball batting talent available today. Still can’t find reliable power hitters.

Agreed, I think it's Misbah as well. Younis close 2nd as he was fantastic in the 2010's. Ajmal, if he wasn't banned and then had his action remodelled, would have ended up as #1 if he played more games.

Just to add a few more things to that list:
- Beat NZ in NZ in 2011 - last time Pakistan beat them in a Test series including home series
- Beat WI in WI in 2017 - first series win in history for Pakistan in WI
- Beat Australia at home in 2014 - outside of that one match in 2010, Pakistan had been throughly demolished by Australia everywhere for 20 years before that historic series win and what a win it was. Misbah & co completely thrashed Australia

Sure he was awful as an ODI captain but he brought so much respectability towards the Test side. Pakistan were great and with limited resources and without playing in their true home conditions.
 
Op is talking about the best, not the worst. Very rich of someone criticizing Babar and Rizwan when their favorite player is misbah.

I wish you would have read my post, and the one above by @Nasty Naz. Too many accomplishments by Misbah in that era - do you think they all go to waste? Please read and understand with an open mind.

Also, I will call out what is wrong today in 2024.

We are not in 2015 anymore.

Today in 2024, RIZWAN, Babar, Sarfraz — all are equally pathetic and do not belong as batters at least in T20 cricket.

ODI cricket is debatable and too many accumulators are not allowed barring a maximum two, where Babar Azam can play as he’s the only one with some batting talent.
 
I wish you would have read my post, and the one above by @Nasty Naz. Too many accomplishments by Misbah in that era - do you think they all go to waste? Please read and understand with an open mind.

Also, I will call out what is wrong today in 2024.

We are not in 2015 anymore.

Today in 2024, RIZWAN, Babar, Sarfraz — all are equally pathetic and do not belong as batters at least in T20 cricket.

ODI cricket is debatable and too many accumulators are not allowed barring a maximum two, where Babar Azam can play as he’s the only one with some batting talent.
Even in 2015 misbah was a pathetic odi and t20 batsmen you can try to twist it however you want but it's a fact. Misbah was a decent captain in UAE pitched and a very effective batsmen in those conditions. Outside SC he was pretty useless. I have no problem with Rizwan and Babar being thrown out from t20s. But don't give us the different era nonsense as a SR of 110 is pathetic and so is 73 in odis. He played till 2015 not in the 80s.
 
Hard to pick one player

Misbah, Ajmal, Younis and you can maybe throw Hafeez, Afridi, Sarfraz into the mix.
 
In tests it’s Misbah. Captaincy and player combined.

In LOI it’s difficult. It’d probably be ajmal if he didn’t get his action banned. If amir didn’t get banned for fixing it’d probably be him too. It’s a real shame, these two could have dominated for a decade and I think we’d have won a lot more games.

Hafeez is technically the only one I can think of who managed to pretty much cement his place in all three formats for most of that decade.

I’d probably overall in LOI give it to Babar. But no one really hugely stands out.
 
Has to be Misbah ul Haq from Pakistan.

The one to rescue a sinking ship post 2009-11.

- Made us the number 1 ranked Test team.

- Beat India in India in ODIs! The famous AnayDo series, what a legend.

- Made us the first Asian team to beat SA in SA

- Asia Cup winners.

- Became the most successful Test captain Pakistan has ever had.

Very shrewd cricketing brain and as a leader respected by everyone.

Wasn’t perfect of course - and some uninformed critics will bring out a one sided argument only targeting white ball cricket, but come to think of it, we still don’t have the right white ball batting talent available today. Still can’t find reliable power hitters.
Good to see another Misbah fan , or the same one came with a different name . And good to see some hilarious posts here , don't want to see a dull forum :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
Mohammad hafeez

5866 runs across formats in winning causes & 128 wickets in winning causes

Most runs ODIs in winning causes
Most runs in T20s in winning cause

But pulse of pakistan fan might say Misbah?
 
Mo Hafeez came to mind immediately and I'm glad I already see a couple of comments mentioning it, like the one above mine. He even captained for a bit, was the only regular in all 3 formats, had ample match-winning moments, was an above-average all-rounder for Pakistan standards, had the golden arm, left arm opener's nightmare. He underachieved as he had the talent to make an even greater impact but was bogged down by our slow culture. It was too late before he realized it.

Misbah has records, longevity, and some numbers when you look at that decade, and I credit him for his efforts as captain post the spot fixing saga which damaged Pak cricket. But the overall culture that he infused into the team which we are still trying to recover from was far more threatening. The two ICC tournaments he captained in (2013 CT and 2015 WC) were horrible. Under him many talented players perished. So overall, I'd put Hafeez over him as Pakistan's cricketer of the 2010s, which says a lot about our cricket
 
Some top names that come to my mind are, Hafeez, Misbah, Younis, Saeed Ajmal (his remolded action did not work for him though
 
If Ajmal hadn't been banned, it would have been him.

Personally, I think Younis Khan just because this is the era that he came into his own and became Pakistan's second greatest ever batter.

Misbah is a close second because of everything he managed as captain and a batter. Despite the circumstances in which he became test captain.
 
Sarfaraz Ahmed.

As a player he's nothing special but pakistan hasn't had a true ambassador of the game since this guy.

He had a poor test run in 2018 and a poor odi run as captain in 2018 however his overall records overshadow that.

2015

Single Handidely + Wahab took Pakistan into QF and slapped Misbah fans right across the face for the previous games.

2017

As captain ensured the team reached ct from no 9 to no 8 rank. And then managed to play a crucial knock against sri lanka which ensured a spot in the semi's. The timely decison to include fakhar in the semi's really changed and turned Pakistan's fortunes around.

2018

Had an extremely successful t20 year as cap

2019

Beat England at their own game. Honestly defeating England in 2019 was one of my all time favourite Pakistan moments.


Cry Babies just dont appreciate the gem that he was. The fact remains pakistan from 2017-2019 kicks the crap out of 2024 pakistan in any format.

Test is the only exception due to the inclusion of sajid + Nouman but that has less to do with Shan and more to do with aqib making last minute changes.

No one has impacted Pakistan cricket more then sarfi did.

Only unintelligent and dishonest pakistani fans can disrespect an icc winning captain and throw him aside just to praise a chawal like rizwan.

Team ki halat dekho abhi
Losing home test series too
 
Younis
Misbah
Hafeez
Ajmal
Sarfraz

Some honourable mentions.

If only test we are talking about then
Yasir shah made a huge impact
 
The bearded Vol 3.0 is the obvious answer of this question :moha
 
Losing home test series too

Sarfraz was “just there”. He’s neither among the best nor the worst. As a batter he had many flaws and in 2024 he is as bad as RIZWAN and other accumulators.

Just another accumulator really. About time we move on, same for Rizwan.
 
I vote for Mohammad Hafeez.

At his peak, he was opening both batting and bowling. He was great and consistent throughout 2010s.
 
Losing home test series too
Every captain after Misbah has lost home test series until aqib Javed fixed things.

People just don't appreciate Mickey and Sarfaraz.

All those complaining about Fakhar and Imam opening pair, well news flash, Abdullah is 100x worse then Imam as a batsmen and saim is looking good but I highly doubt he'll surpass Fakhar Zaman.

With the exception of 2023 wc and Sri lanka series, Imam has consistently outperformed Abdullah in both List A and Fc as well as internationals. Abdullah has been a circus clown in tests and a circus clown in domestic. His best performances post his wc 100 have been chasing 140 totals and even then he got dropped multiple times.

As for saim, Saim is looking good but fakhar performed on debut and I highly doubt pakistan is finding a better opener then fakhar for a long long time.

Azhar Ali and Misbah were circus clowns for promoting shehzad and jamshed for so long.

Sarfi also got rid of hafeez's ego and made him bat at 4 where clueless misbah had hafeez opening where hafeez was a bunny againat the early seam.

Haris sohail + Malik also came good in Sarfi's era.

Mickey was also the guy who made the decision to promote Babar at no 3 in odi.

And sarfi was the only one who got rid of his fixing bias and got Amir in, Amir being a crucial part of CT 2017. Imad was also fast tracked because sarfi and imad played together in under 19.

Pakistan team as a whole was very well settled during sarfi's era with the exception of the test circuit.

The circuit under Misbah, Babar and rizwan in whiteball has been a circus.
 
Lmao at those mentioning Misbah 🤣🤣.

It took Aqib Javed one series to expose how weak Misbah was as a test captain since he had the luxury of chuckers and a freak player of spin (YK) under his disposal, Hence he dominated uae conditons, In the same way pakistan dominated England by simply spamming sajid Khan and Nouman chacha over and over again.

Misbah was a circus clown in tests overseas once he lost support of his favourite pitch and conditons.

And don't even get me started on the horror show that was t20 and odi cricket. Forced to retire from t20 in 2012 since he collapsed a top tier side.

In odi all his achievements are perpetually stuck in 2012 to early 2013 where he managed to win an Asia cup against a transitioning indian, Sri lanka side and Bangladesh and managed to win an odi series with a cancer ridden yuvi and a burnt corpse of a shell sehwag.

Not to mention India's rubbish bowling in said era.

None of these uae, or asia cup or India series win narratives will change the fact that Misbah was one of the most selfish and atrocious whiteball batsmen of all time and one of the most prejudice and racist captains of all time.

The only player who is equally as selfish as Misbah while playing whiteball is Muhammad Rizwan. However in the case of rizzu, Rizzu has actually played a few whiteball gems while Misbah's whiteball gems are stuck in the year 2007, So if you want to ride his 2007 t20 performance go for it.

Absolute clown show of a batter.
 
I vote for Mohammad Hafeez.

At his peak, he was opening both batting and bowling. He was great and consistent throughout 2010s.
Oh really? What did he achieve? Wasn't he dominant in t20. Your favourite format.
 
Answer is simple. Only tests matter and I guess if you win world cups. T20 wc was won. But tests us more important.

For me it's just one man.

No one else

Younis King khan

Who is far far far better than kohli. In tests.
 
For many country, answer is obvious.

For India, it was Kohli.

Australia - Smith

South Africa - Ab devilliers

But for Pakistan, there is no standout pick.

Options are - Saeed Ajmal, Younis Khan, Misbah

Saeed Ajmal might've been an obvious pick if his career wasn't cut short in 2014.

Younis khan was excellent in Tests in 2010s but was a failure in ODIs (didn't do well in 2011 and 2015 wc).

Misbah was a good batsmen in both ODIs and Tests. However He is also the most polarising player Pakistan ever had. Many people blame him for bringing tuk tuk and meek batting culture. While some praise him for being a stabilizing Pakistan cricket after Spot fixing scandal and rebuilding the reputation which was arguably more important at that time than actual cricket. Now Pakistan team is amongst the likeable team amongst the neutral fans.

Anyway, These 3 are the only options that I can think of.
Just like Younis gets marked down for his White ball game, Misbah wasn’t much better in white ball and was average in tests, not only that, his batting approach took us back to the Stone Ages.

As brother @mominsaigol said it has to be sarfraz
 
Just like Younis gets marked down for his White ball game, Misbah wasn’t much better in white ball and was average in tests, not only that, his batting approach took us back to the Stone Ages.

As brother @mominsaigol said it has to be sarfraz
Sarfi's whiteball team is capable of causing upsets to ATG teams in their own den and world class bowling attacks like England, India and NZ.

Meanwhile the current team can't even upset USA. And yes I'm calling it an upset because honestly USA is genuinely a superior t20 side.

The only weak link during sarfi's era was Imam ul haq. Mickey and sarfi really should have trusted their initial instincts and replaced Imam with abid.

Other then that the likes of hafeez, haris sohail, Imad, Sarfaraz and Malik made for a monster middle order with fakhar being the Travis head of pakistan.

Flash forward to today, Our middle order which was once our strongest ace is now our weakest.

Rizwan, Chacha, Shadab, Nawaz, and all these lulleis have destroyed the middle order in odi. Only kamran ghulam, Agha and saud shakeel are semi decent in odi but their more built for Tests and aren't suited to one day.

And even if they were, it doesn't matter because they can't bat higher up the order due to ladla Rizwan occupying no 4.
 
Every captain after Misbah has lost home test series until aqib Javed fixed things.

People just don't appreciate Mickey and Sarfaraz.

All those complaining about Fakhar and Imam opening pair, well news flash, Abdullah is 100x worse then Imam as a batsmen and saim is looking good but I highly doubt he'll surpass Fakhar Zaman.

With the exception of 2023 wc and Sri lanka series, Imam has consistently outperformed Abdullah in both List A and Fc as well as internationals. Abdullah has been a circus clown in tests and a circus clown in domestic. His best performances post his wc 100 have been chasing 140 totals and even then he got dropped multiple times.

As for saim, Saim is looking good but fakhar performed on debut and I highly doubt pakistan is finding a better opener then fakhar for a long long time.

Azhar Ali and Misbah were circus clowns for promoting shehzad and jamshed for so long.

Sarfi also got rid of hafeez's ego and made him bat at 4 where clueless misbah had hafeez opening where hafeez was a bunny againat the early seam.

Haris sohail + Malik also came good in Sarfi's era.

Mickey was also the guy who made the decision to promote Babar at no 3 in odi.

And sarfi was the only one who got rid of his fixing bias and got Amir in, Amir being a crucial part of CT 2017. Imad was also fast tracked because sarfi and imad played together in under 19.

Pakistan team as a whole was very well settled during sarfi's era with the exception of the test circuit.

The circuit under Misbah, Babar and rizwan in whiteball has been a circus.
We had good moments under sarfraz but he isnt the greatest we had in 2010s. Admit it.
We didnt have standout performers but younis and yasir were standout performers in tests that's it.

Fakhar and imam have been our best opening pair and i doubt abdullah can reach those heights as he looks unsettled even after playing 50 balls.
 
For Australia is isn't smith lol, It's Warner. Smith wasn't an all format superstar. Warner has gun in odi and t20. In tests he was HTB which is fair but it was always fun watching him dominate oppositions in tests in home soil.

Smith was a find only in 2015. Afterwards while his test career sky rocketed his odi career declined and he was always a rubbish t20 player.
Neither are. It's cummins. Patrick cummins

No one else comes close.

Wc winner in t20 check
Won the bs wtc. Check. One off rubbish but still counts for something
Wom odi wc

Check
 
2015 Steve smith is > Any batter in odi + tests, However longetivity counts.

From 2016 to 2020 while steve Smith's test career kept going up and up, Steve Smith's odi career kept going down and down.

David Warner in t20 and odi is superior to any era Steve smith with the exception of 2015 Steve smith in odi.

In tests Warner is no where close to Smith however he has still dominated oppositions at home soil.

He and now his successor Travis head are Australia's 2 greatest all format players that aus has ever had.

Steve smith is only Australia's greatest test batsmen excluding Bradman. In odi and t20 he's way way way behind these 2.

Your 2015 logic doesn't make sense. By this logic Travis head has already achieved more since he won wtc + wc 2023 for Australia?

2023 Travis head has achieved more then Steve smith did in 2015?

As I said longetivitu counts.

Warner is ahead of every Australian when you consider his all format performances
Smith is goat test player 100%. No doubt.

In odi I agree 2014 to 2017 Smith is serious candidate for goat but yes I agree longevity matters a little. I would STILL 100% PICK SMITH OVER KOHLI anyday in odi and tests.

In t20 ok. I will give it to kohli over Smith.
 
Neither are. It's cummins. Patrick cummins

No one else comes close.

Wc winner in t20 check
Won the bs wtc. Check. One off rubbish but still counts for something
Wom odi wc

Check
When did cummins win a world cup in t20? Finch was captain 🤣🤣.

Warner was the player of the tournament in 2021 lol.

Pat cummins is a good bowler and a good captain however accredited wins solely to him is hilarious.
 
When did cummins win a world cup in t20? Finch was captain 🤣🤣.

Warner was the player of the tournament in 2021 lol.

Pat cummins is a good bowler and a good captain however accredited wins solely to him is hilarious.
He played dint he? Without hin they don't win wc 2023
Withour him they don't win in tests.
Without him they don't win t20 wc either.
Cummins is Australia 50%
Head is other 50%
 
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He played dint he? Without hin they don't win wc 2023
Withour him they don't win in tests.
Without him they don't win t20 wc either.
Cummins is Australia 50%
Head is other 50%
Lol if you say so. Very narrow way of looking at things
 
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If you make it one year earlier 2009 -2019, I think Younis Khan would qualify for delivering a ICC Trophy and his ATG Test Batting.

If he doesn’t qualify then Saeed Ajmal, Sarfraz Ahmed or Mohammad Hafeez
 
For Australia the answer is David Warner, not Smith.
Smith is one of the most pathetic t20 batsman I have ever seen, in Odisha he had a good patch but Warner was better.

For Pakistan I think Hafeez would be the one but he was like a one eyed king amongst the blind.
 
Neither are. It's cummins. Patrick cummins

No one else comes close.

Wc winner in t20 check
Won the bs wtc. Check. One off rubbish but still counts for something
Wom odi wc

Check
Its 2010s we talking about
 
Please note this thread is only meant for Players performance and impact based on 2010s decade ie between 1st January 2010 to 31st December 2019.
 
I should've also mentioned Hafeez and Sarfaraz in the OP.

Hafeez was a decent batsman and a very economical bowler. He perhaps was the only player to be consistently part of Pakistan Team across Formats and played the most matches for Pakistan in 2010s. As a batsmen, he massively underachieved considering he mostly played as a top order batsmen not a lower middle order.

Sarfaraz is the Only Pakistan captain to win ICC trophy in 2010s and that too by defeating Arch rivals India by a record margin in 2017. Unfortunately Pakistan didn't build the momentum and failed to reach semis in 2019 World Cup which again took place again in England just like CT.
 
I think majority of Pakistan fans are unsure about this as well

I am pretty much certain now that this title belongs to either Younis or Misbah. Both have solid performance, longevity and long lasting impact. At the end of the day, Pakistan biggest achievement in 2010s besides CT win, was building a Test fortress and eventually reaching no 1 ranking in Test for the first time ever.

Honourable mentions:

- Ajmal: fantastic bowler and a match winner but he doesn't inspire future generations of cricketers.

- Sarfaraz: CT win but failed to reach semis in 2019 World Cup. Didn't achieve much in Tests cricket as well and should've worked on his fitness.

- Hafeez: very useful all rounder but a massive underachiever with bat and was given countless opportunity in top order for Pakistan.
 
Could have been Harris Sohail. A shame he and PCB are to blame for his unfulfillment of his talent.
 
I think majority of Pakistan fans are unsure about this as well

I am pretty much certain now that this title belongs to either Younis or Misbah. Both have solid performance, longevity and long lasting impact. At the end of the day, Pakistan biggest achievement in 2010s besides CT win, was building a Test fortress and eventually reaching no 1 ranking in Test for the first time ever.

Honourable mentions:

- Ajmal: fantastic bowler and a match winner but he doesn't inspire future generations of cricketers.

- Sarfaraz: CT win but failed to reach semis in 2019 World Cup. Didn't achieve much in Tests cricket as well and should've worked on his fitness.

- Hafeez: very useful all rounder but a massive underachiever with bat and was given countless opportunity in top order for Pakistan.

I don’t think Sarfraz has to be mentioned at all. That CT win was a fluke, just look at our NON STOP LOSSES record right after that tournament.

I think it was our longest losing streak in history under Sarfraz.

He himself was a very limited batsman, as bad as RIZWAN when it comes to keepers. Probably even worse as he doesn’t have the stats that Riz does. But they’re both quite bad.

He was woeful as a captain in Tests, also lost us series at home.

Younis was a Test batting great but overall as a player and captain, Misbah had the biggest impact.

We won respect globally because of him, specially in England where we drew the Test series and he did the push-ups. Then the #1 ranking.

In white ball cricket Asia Cup win, beating India in India, beating South Africa in South Africa, NZ in NZ were also excellent feats.
 
For many country, answer is obvious.

For India, it was Kohli.

Australia - Smith

South Africa - Ab devilliers

But for Pakistan, there is no standout pick.

Options are - Saeed Ajmal, Younis Khan, Misbah

Saeed Ajmal might've been an obvious pick if his career wasn't cut short in 2014.

Younis khan was excellent in Tests in 2010s but was a failure in ODIs (didn't do well in 2011 and 2015 wc).

Misbah was a good batsmen in both ODIs and Tests. However He is also the most polarising player Pakistan ever had. Many people blame him for bringing tuk tuk and meek batting culture. While some praise him for being a stabilizing Pakistan cricket after Spot fixing scandal and rebuilding the reputation which was arguably more important at that time than actual cricket. Now Pakistan team is amongst the likeable team amongst the neutral fans.

Anyway, These 3 are the only options that I can think of.
Younus Khan by country mile.
 
I don’t think Sarfraz has to be mentioned at all. That CT win was a fluke, just look at our NON STOP LOSSES record right after that tournament.

I think it was our longest losing streak in history under Sarfraz.

He himself was a very limited batsman, as bad as RIZWAN when it comes to keepers. Probably even worse as he doesn’t have the stats that Riz does. But they’re both quite bad.

He was woeful as a captain in Tests, also lost us series at home.

Younis was a Test batting great but overall as a player and captain, Misbah had the biggest impact.

We won respect globally because of him, specially in England where we drew the Test series and he did the push-ups. Then the #1 ranking.

In white ball cricket Asia Cup win, beating India in India, beating South Africa in South Africa, NZ in NZ were also excellent feats.
How has a rubbish player like rizwan managed a better average than misbah in SENA tests?
 
How has a rubbish player like rizwan managed a better average than misbah in SENA tests?

Rizwan can't be compared to Misbah, no matter how much Misbah struggled in limited-overs cricket. Misbah earned tremendous respect in Tests from all around the world, something Rizwan will never ever achieve.
 
Rizwan can't be compared to Misbah, no matter how much Misbah struggled in limited-overs cricket. Misbah earned tremendous respect in Tests from all around the world, something Rizwan will never ever achieve.
Again you are posting based on your dislike for rizwan rather than actual facts.
 
I don’t think Sarfraz has to be mentioned at all. That CT win was a fluke, just look at our NON STOP LOSSES record right after that tournament.

I think it was our longest losing streak in history under Sarfraz.

He himself was a very limited batsman, as bad as RIZWAN when it comes to keepers. Probably even worse as he doesn’t have the stats that Riz does. But they’re both quite bad.

He was woeful as a captain in Tests, also lost us series at home.

Younis was a Test batting great but overall as a player and captain, Misbah had the biggest impact.

We won respect globally because of him, specially in England where we drew the Test series and he did the push-ups. Then the #1 ranking.

In white ball cricket Asia Cup win, beating India in India, beating South Africa in South Africa, NZ in NZ were also excellent feats.
Sarfraz destroyed our fortress in tests. And not to mention the way we won that srl match. Stars aligned for him. But we didnt win anything before the tournament or after the tournament

All he has is t20 bilateral wins
 
Thread is not about Warner or smith or any other team. Stay on topic or find some other thread for such kind of posts
 
Sarfaraz Ahmed.

I would vote for Misbah-ul-Haq.

He was the face of Pakistan cricket for the first time in arguably 3 decades where there was no fixing taint. He achieved test success and made an adopted home a fortress.

Sarfraz and fixer Amir were lucky to be in the right place at the right time in an ODI when Fakhar Zaman went guns blazing.
 
I would vote for Misbah-ul-Haq.

He was the face of Pakistan cricket for the first time in arguably 3 decades where there was no fixing taint. He achieved test success and made an adopted home a fortress.

Sarfraz and fixer Amir were lucky to be in the right place at the right time in an ODI when Fakhar Zaman went guns blazing.
Being the face of pakistan cricket doesn't mean Jack. It's a marketing scheme at the end of the day.

Babar azam is the current face of pakistan cricket and he has lost more t20 and test games for pakistan then anyone. He's really just an odi specialist but marketed as the the 2nd coming of kohli.

Misbah in odi and t20 was a serial loser. As soon as his 2007 purple patch ended where He played crucial knocks againat India and aus in the group stage and a decent knock in the final,

Misbah proceeded to collapse the entire t20 side. But 2012, Almost all games were being lost single handidely by him and he was forced to retire. His game against England where pakistan were easily winning and their was no possible way to lose from it was unforgivable. He was a circus clown parading around with a 95 SR in t20 as a middle order bat.

People forget that he ruined the t20 side not only as a coach and selector but also as a captain.

In odi his successes only come in 2012 and early 2013 where he managed to beat transitioning and aging sides. 2012 India that played against pakistan was the 2nd weakest Indian team of all time barring the 90's where India use to be rubbish back then.

Misbah stubbornly chose a team with no akmal and afridi for the cup and randomly decided to take imran farhat and jamshed as openers despite both struggling for form and picking Umar amin was hilarious.

It led to a disaster of a CT, and not only that, it was a huge slap in Misbah's face when Afridi returned for the west indies series And scored a half century + 7 wickets and 12 runs bundling WI out. The fact remained that despite Afridi being inconsistent he was clearly your best lower order allrounder and he proved it against wi and india in asia cup 2014.

Furthermore he made lots of questionable decisions that backfired. For example in the aussie odi series, Sarfaraz was your best opener, Leading run scorer and had the highest avg and SR. He also played a good innings as an opener against nz in t20.

Pakistan's resources were thin but it was clear that Sarfi > Shehzad and Jamshed who were dwindling corpses.

Misbah however randomly decided to discard sarfi for 6 games and play Umar akmal as a keeper and bring back jamshed based of a 3rd grade league performance.

Jamshed failed misreably and many games were lost in the cup due to akmal's comical fielding. Sarfi and wahab had to solo carry pakistan into the quater finals because without these 2 pakistan were 200% going to lose to Ireland and south Africa.

To top it off I watched his performance against Zimbabwe and South Africa in the 2013-2014 series and it was comical. The only games pakistan lost 3-2 against sa and we beat Zimbabwe 2-1 but Misbah's half centuries of 85 balls lost us those games.

We could have beaten sa and whitewashed Zimbabwe had it not been for misbah's batting.

He was an awful and selfish whiteball batter. One who never cared about rr and stat padded to his 50 without any risk. Mohali is another event that occurred cause of him.

If you wanna bash Sarfaraz for his 2018 odi run and his test run but ignore his no 1 t20 rank, Call his ct performance a fluke and take away all credit from beating atg England at their home ground twice then by all means.

But apply that same logic to Misbah. Kindly ignore his test runs and only talk about his odi and t20 runs and ignore asia cup and india series as well.

You can't have your pie and eat it.
 
Sarfaraz Ahmed.

As a player he's nothing special but pakistan hasn't had a true ambassador of the game since this guy.

He had a poor test run in 2018 and a poor odi run as captain in 2018 however his overall records overshadow that.

2015

Single Handidely + Wahab took Pakistan into QF and slapped Misbah fans right across the face for the previous games.

2017

As captain ensured the team reached ct from no 9 to no 8 rank. And then managed to play a crucial knock against sri lanka which ensured a spot in the semi's. The timely decison to include fakhar in the semi's really changed and turned Pakistan's fortunes around.

2018

Had an extremely successful t20 year as cap

2019

Beat England at their own game. Honestly defeating England in 2019 was one of my all time favourite Pakistan moments.


Cry Babies just dont appreciate the gem that he was. The fact remains pakistan from 2017-2019 kicks the crap out of 2024 pakistan in any format.

Test is the only exception due to the inclusion of sajid + Nouman but that has less to do with Shan and more to do with aqib making last minute changes.

No one has impacted Pakistan cricket more then sarfi did.

Only unintelligent and dishonest pakistani fans can disrespect an icc winning captain and throw him aside just to praise a chawal like rizwan.

Team ki halat dekho abhi.
best captain without any doubt but not as a player.
 
best captain without any doubt but not as a player.

Personally think people overrate Sarfraz and what he did, to be honest. Team fluked in CT and a big part of that was Fakhar Zaman making his ODI debut in CT because of how poor Shehzad was. It's mind-blowing a player is making his international debut in a major tournament and the miracle worked but let's not pretend this was some great planned out strategy.

Losing 2-0 Test series in UAE for the first time vs SL is such a black mark. Used 3 pacers in UAE too which was beyond stupid.
Losing 2-1 Test series in UAE vs NZ as well
5-0 whitewash vs NZ not that long after CT
4-0 in England before WC
All pace attack vs Australia but 2 spinners vs India during WC - make it make sense
Playing Malik 13 AVG in England (28 innings) over Haris Sohail until it was too late. Haris came back vs SA match and promptly won MOTM and Pakistan ran the table for rest of the tournament but it was too little, too late.

Won a bunch of T20's but it's just T20's. Think he's thought of better captain than he was because of how abysmal Babar was captain following him.
 
Personally think people overrate Sarfraz and what he did, to be honest. Team fluked in CT and a big part of that was Fakhar Zaman making his ODI debut in CT because of how poor Shehzad was. It's mind-blowing a player is making his international debut in a major tournament and the miracle worked but let's not pretend this was some great planned out strategy.

Losing 2-0 Test series in UAE for the first time vs SL is such a black mark. Used 3 pacers in UAE too which was beyond stupid.
Losing 2-1 Test series in UAE vs NZ as well
5-0 whitewash vs NZ not that long after CT
4-0 in England before WC
All pace attack vs Australia but 2 spinners vs India during WC - make it make sense
Playing Malik 13 AVG in England (28 innings) over Haris Sohail until it was too late. Haris came back vs SA match and promptly won MOTM and Pakistan ran the table for rest of the tournament but it was too little, too late.

Won a bunch of T20's but it's just T20's. Think he's thought of better captain than he was because of how abysmal Babar was captain following him.

Yeah, Sarfraz was an average player and as a captain lost us a ton of matches - only got lucky in that CT due to freak Fakhar and Amir.

And to be honest I haven’t seen anyone overhype Sarfraz to this extent. @mominsaigol seems to have personal hatred for Misbah and special love for Sarfraz.
 
Personally think people overrate Sarfraz and what he did, to be honest. Team fluked in CT and a big part of that was Fakhar Zaman making his ODI debut in CT because of how poor Shehzad was. It's mind-blowing a player is making his international debut in a major tournament and the miracle worked but let's not pretend this was some great planned out strategy.

Losing 2-0 Test series in UAE for the first time vs SL is such a black mark. Used 3 pacers in UAE too which was beyond stupid.
Losing 2-1 Test series in UAE vs NZ as well
5-0 whitewash vs NZ not that long after CT
4-0 in England before WC
All pace attack vs Australia but 2 spinners vs India during WC - make it make sense
Playing Malik 13 AVG in England (28 innings) over Haris Sohail until it was too late. Haris came back vs SA match and promptly won MOTM and Pakistan ran the table for rest of the tournament but it was too little, too late.

Won a bunch of T20's but it's just T20's. Think he's thought of better captain than he was because of how abysmal Babar was captain following him.
Sarfraz deserves credit for how he captained in champions trophy. But that’s the thing, fakhar wasn’t even first choice during champions trophy. He came in because shehzad failed. If shehzad had a few decent innings, Fakhar wouldn’t have come in and we likely wouldn’t have won the champions trophy.

Which is why I don’t give Mickey credit for fakhar zaman. He actually chose not to play him at the start. He played him once there was no choice but to drop Shehzad.

Same as when Misbah left the test team Mickey did nothing. It’s like all his ideas went with it.

Also I give Sarfraz far more credit than Mickey for champions trophy.

I don’t think champions trophy was a fluke. But I do think Mickey literally just flukes two coaching stints off the back of that champions trophy. That’s the reason why we didn’t really progress as a team after that ct win.
 
Sarfaraz was not the best cricketer for Pakistan by any means. He was a thought to be a good captain but his record of losses is even worse than his 1 CT win.
 
Yeah, Sarfraz was an average player and as a captain lost us a ton of matches - only got lucky in that CT due to freak Fakhar and Amir.

And to be honest I haven’t seen anyone overhype Sarfraz to this extent. @mominsaigol seems to have personal hatred for Misbah and special love for Sarfraz.
Theirs no hatred or personal love. I appreciate winning captains and I hate frauds.
 
Sarfaraz was not the best cricketer for Pakistan by any means. He was a thought to be a good captain but his record of losses is even worse than his 1 CT win.
Yes because Babar, Rizwan and Misbah went on a whiteball killing spree?

I remember Misbah's era in its entirety. He had a world class spin attack but he would lose every single relevant whiteball tour and often times his own batting caused the decline

His being forced to retire in t20 eas pointless as he had already collapsed the team.

Similarly while Babar and rizwan may get away with certain bi laterals exploits, Anyone with a brain can tell that the team is unsettled beyond belief and that Shan in tests is literally just spamming 2 bowlers over and over again lol.

Sarfi's team was far more settled then Misbah's whiteball team, And Babar and rizzu whiteball team.

In tests theirs no comparison, misbah is better.
 
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