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Who will be the next great all-rounder from Pakistan?

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Pakistan has invested in Shadab Khan, Imad Wasim and Faheem Ashraf. What are the expectations from these 3?

In 2016 U19 team, there was a Hassan Mohsin guy who was one of the best performers for his side. How has been his progression?

Aamer Yamin was unfortunate to not get a long run and he is 30 now so don't see him having a long career

Is there any other allrounder currently active in domestic circuit who has the potential?
 
I still believe Shadab Khan can be a key player for us in all formats. He will never become the world's best all-rounder but he will certainly become a Pivotel member of the side.

His batting has improved immensely, he is the best fielder Pakistan have ever had and his bowling through regressing slightly, has potential to at least be useful.
 
I want to see a fast-bowling all-rounder.

Someone who can bowl 140KpH plus and can hold his own with the bat and smash the ball around.

However, the sad reality is that I don't see that type of player in Pakistan at the moment.
 
Unfortunately none of the current player has any potential to be a decent all rounder.
 
Nasir Nawaz. His batting is quality. Bowling can do with some work though.
 
I don’t think any of the names you mentioned can be “greats”.

Shadab can maybe be a limited overs Pakistan great, as he is likely to represent our team for the next 10-12 years if he keeps improving. And I already rate him. If he fails to improve though, he can easily end up being a Shoaib Malik or Hafeez.

Imad is already nearing the end of his career especially with his current fitness, and will have to work hard and get fit like Shoaib Malik, Hafeez, Misbah, YK and even Afridi if he wants to be one of those 40 year olds that PPers will beg to be dropped.

Faheem, less the said the better.

Hassan Mohsin’s development has stalled at Sindh, barely gets a look in for the first XI. If he does develop, it will probably be too late similar to Hammad Azam or Aamer Yamin. Not sure he’s particularly exceptional anyways, but my argument is for even if he was.

As a result we’ll have to look towards the younger stocks coming in, and only Mubasir Khan comes to mind. He has yet to play for his first XI, so we will have to wait and see until then, but he has set U19 cricket on fire and is now performing in second XI cricket. He can be a good off spin bowling all rounder.

Nasir Nawaz is another to look at though needs work on his bowling.

From our current U27 stocks, only Hasan Ali seems to have potential as a fast bowling all rounder. That’s because he’s already good with the ball and has decent batting ability. He won’t be a Ben Stokes, but he can be a better version of Wahab Riaz.
 
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Another pick can potentially be Ahmed Safi Abdullah. Fifth highest wicket taker in QeA right now, and looked fantastic with the bat saving the day for Central Punjab.

Finally, Musa Khan can become a better bits and pieces cricketer than Faheem Ashraf. If you’re interested in that, given our dearth of other options. But you might as well go with Amad Butt at that point.

Amad Butt is very good with the new ball and has decent defensive limited overs skills, but his performances with the bat are okay, not brilliant. So another
 
I want to see a fast-bowling all-rounder.

Someone who can bowl 140KpH plus and can hold his own with the bat and smash the ball around.

However, the sad reality is that I don't see that type of player in Pakistan at the moment.

Those days have gone
 
Those days have gone

And that's the concern. Will those days come back.

For a nation that produced Imran Khan, Wasim Akram, Abdul Razzaq, Azhar Mahmood, what on earth has gone wrong when we are looking at some of the very average current all-rounders as our next hope.
 
And that's the concern. Will those days come back.

For a nation that produced Imran Khan, Wasim Akram, Abdul Razzaq, Azhar Mahmood, what on earth has gone wrong when we are looking at some of the very average current all-rounders as our next hope.

Notice one thing, all of these above names started as excellent bowlers with decent batting ability and then worked hard on that ability to become all rounders.

That’s because it’s much, much harder to become a good fast bowler if you’re already a great batsman than it is for you to become a good batsman if you’re already a great bowler.

The real reason our fast bowling all rounder stocks have dried up, I postulate, is that our fast bowling stocks have themselves dried up. If we’re barely able to produce many Abdul Razzaq or Azhar Mahmood level bowlers, to begin with, and are giving Test debuts to the likes of Musa Khan, how will we find those who can bowl like them and bat too?

Now we’re doing better work at the grassroots with bowler identification, and there’s more incentive to work on your batting if you’re already decent at it (look at Hassan Ali batting between 6-8). So like [MENTION=152972]Pacy with wisdom[/MENTION] says, hopefully it’s the beginning of a new age.

It’s actually in our process of trying to find gold dust that we end up with bits and pieces cricketers who are 5/10 with the bat and 5/10 with the ball, in the expectation that we can improve both of those attributes to 7/10. Rather, we should look for bowlers who are 8/10 with the ball and 4/10 with the bat, then aim to improve the batting to 6/10.

Otherwise, the only really successful batting all rounders are those with immense, immense natural batting ability like Kallis, Stokes. That is much harder to identify and develop than a 140kph bowler who shows up to a U19 or Lahore Qalandars trial, and has better hand eye coordination with the bat than even they thought they had.
 
And that's the concern. Will those days come back.

For a nation that produced Imran Khan, Wasim Akram, Abdul Razzaq, Azhar Mahmood, what on earth has gone wrong when we are looking at some of the very average current all-rounders as our next hope.

All rounders are freaks of nature in cricketing terms and good all rounders are once in a lifetime players. If you look at the likes of Stokes, Pandaya etc, they are mainly batsman who bowl to a decent level but they would never get into their teams as bowlers only.
 
Might be the best way to make something useful of Musa Khan, turn him into an all-rounder whilst he is still young and can pick up batting.
 
Amad Butt is the closest to what we have a seam bowling allrounder at the moment. But his development hasn't really been going at a good pace. He is pretty much the same he was in PSL3.

I would at the moment be content with just having a good seam bowling allrounder rather than a great one cause things are pretty bleak.
 
All rounders are freaks of nature in cricketing terms and good all rounders are once in a lifetime players. If you look at the likes of Stokes, Pandaya etc, they are mainly batsman who bowl to a decent level but they would never get into their teams as bowlers only.

I would say stokes can as a bowler in Sena conditions in tests only.

Pandya definitely not in odi's. In tests in swing friendly Condtions he can be useful but not as a frontline bowler unlike stokes. Stokes can be a frontline bowler in Sena conditions.
 
Hussain Talat is our most valuable all rounder imo. He bats sensibly and he can bowl. We have too many spin bowling all rounders and not enough pace bowling all rounders.

Hussain Talat will be our future Test/ODI captain.
 
I don’t think any of the names you mentioned can be “greats”.

Shadab can maybe be a limited overs Pakistan great, as he is likely to represent our team for the next 10-12 years if he keeps improving. And I already rate him. If he fails to improve, he can easily end up being a Shoaib Malik or Hafeez.
Do you feel Malik was unlucky because he arrived in the golden generation of Pak team?
He never got the attention/push and respect which Babar is receiving right now. I was a kid back then but I remember him as a above average middle order batsman. He could have been groomed to be a world beater like Babar by team management but unfortunately he remained invisible under the likes of Inzi, Anwar, Yousuf etc
 
Unless you develop the skills of players they will not improve.

A player like Amad Butt could have been a solid batting all rounder in OD. Someone who can bat at number 6 - 7 and bowl 4 - 5 overs up front with new ball.

You can look to go in with two batting all-rounders and one bowling all rounders.
 
I think Qasim Akram will develop into a 40 averaging batsman and will be a handy and economical bowler as well.
 
No one among the current lot has the capability, including the ones in domestic cricket that are getting hyped out of desperation.

If Pakistan does produce the next great all-rounder one day, it will be obvious to everyone and there will be no need to hype him up.
 
Do you feel Malik was unlucky because he arrived in the golden generation of Pak team?
He never got the attention/push and respect which Babar is receiving right now. I was a kid back then but I remember him as a above average middle order batsman. He could have been groomed to be a world beater like Babar by team management but unfortunately he remained invisible under the likes of Inzi, Anwar, Yousuf etc

To the contrary, I think he just didn’t have the personality to work hard to stand out. Look at Afridi, who went full super saiyan in his first few games for that legendary team.

He realized ten years later just how hard he needed to work, which is why he ended up maintaining his fitness until this age and continues to play - it’s his way of doing what he should have done way earlier. But the talent was never really there to be honest, he was picked for that 90s team by Wasim Akram as a bowler initially.
 
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Let alone great, let us produce an all rounder first.
I can't call anyone from the list an all rounder. Hammad Azam is the only one who can be called an all rounder from the list but even his bowling is okaish.
 
No one among the current lot has the capability, including the ones in domestic cricket that are getting hyped out of desperation.

If Pakistan does produce the next great all-rounder one day, it will be obvious to everyone and there will be no need to hype him up.

I agree, I have not seen anyone in the domestic circuit at the moment who looks like he can be a good all-rounder. At max, they're either good at one thing but exceptionally mediocre at the other. Until we find that one player who is the best of both worlds, we will have to improvise with what we are given. That improvisation starts with removing wasted slots from the team sheet and trying out different combinations.
 
Faheem Ashraf has been good with the ball on the NZ tour

Played a cameo in the 1st T20i and now scored a brilliant 92 in the 1st inn of the 1st test.

Are we seeing the rise of Faheem Ashraf?
 
Purple patch perhaps. Can be a useful utility cricketer to add some balance. But I don’t think we should consider his innings today as the par. Will always be a 3rd or 4th seamer and a reliable number 8 (not a 7).
 
Shadab and Nawaz have proven to be incapable. What other options are there?
Arafat Minhas. I think after this WC Pakistan will unsuccessfully experiment with Qasim Akram and Aamir Jamal. Arafat might get his turn after that some time in 2024. From what i have seen he seems to have more potential than the others.
 
Arafat Minhas. I think after this WC Pakistan will unsuccessfully experiment with Qasim Akram and Aamir Jamal. Arafat might get his turn after that some time in 2024. From what i have seen he seems to have more potential than the others.

Qasim Akram shouldn't be thought of as an all rounder. If he is, the expectation from him should be that of a sixth bowler, ala Chacha. In fact, he should replace Chacha right after the world cup. Yeah, people might say he's not ready but nobody else is and Chacha is a gazillion years old and a very brain-dead batsman anyway. Agree on Arafat Minhas. I'd even add Abbas Afridi as a #8 type bowling allrounder, but needs to work a bit on his batting. Arafat at 7 and Afridi at 8 is not a bad combination.
 
Qasim Akram shouldn't be thought of as an all rounder. If he is, the expectation from him should be that of a sixth bowler, ala Chacha. In fact, he should replace Chacha right after the world cup. Yeah, people might say he's not ready but nobody else is and Chacha is a gazillion years old and a very brain-dead batsman anyway. Agree on Arafat Minhas. I'd even add Abbas Afridi as a #8 type bowling allrounder, but needs to work a bit on his batting. Arafat at 7 and Afridi at 8 is not a bad combination.
It’s not about being ready. Based on what little I’ve seen of him I just don’t think he has the temperament. I see the same issue with him that plagues Haider and Haris - lack of temperament, patience and resultantly poor shot selection and failure to build meaningful innings. I wish I’m wrong. Arafat seems to be a lot more sensible.

Another one who might become a useful test option is Mubasir. Could certainly help with the balance of the team especially in Asian conditions.
 
What are Pakistans option as allrounder

Faheem Ashraf
Muhammad Nawaz
Shadab Khan
Wasim Jr.
Aamer Jamal
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Pakistan will struggle to find a purposeful XI to play against Australia
 
There are no obvious candidates. Waseem, Abbass Afridi are not realistic batsmen. Only option is use as 5th bowler is Hussain Talat. Bat at 7 or 8 and 4th pace bowling option. I also think Mubasir is not bad. Aussies will have 4 left handlers in the top 7. But maybe initially Salman Agha can play mubasir role.
 
Mubasir can be a decent option in tests
Minhas can be decent option in limited overs.
 
There are no obvious candidates. Waseem, Abbass Afridi are not realistic batsmen. Only option is use as 5th bowler is Hussain Talat. Bat at 7 or 8 and 4th pace bowling option. I also think Mubasir is not bad. Aussies will have 4 left handlers in the top 7. But maybe initially Salman Agha can play mubasir role.

Salman Agha is not genuine All-rounder. He is part time spin bowler..
 
It's been well known Pakistan has been dealing since 2011 with no proper seam bowling allrounder since Abdul Razzaq was on his last legs since WC 2011. Actually, a past prime Abdul Razzaq was better than the others we have tried, invested in or didn't invest in.

By proper seam bowling allrounder, it doesn't mean bits and pieces players like someone who can bowl 3 or 4 overs or bats at 9. There are part-timers, and they are complete in one discipline, either batting or bowling.

Here is a list of names:

1.Hammad Azam: Came with a lot of hype, bowling never developed, wasn't given enough chances with the bat.

2. Anwar Ali: A bowler who became a specialist finisher in domestic cricket while his bowling was reduced to military medium. Could have been given more chances for no.6-7 spot

3. Bilawal Bhatti: He had the ingredients of an allrounder when he burst up the scene. Was bowling pin-point yorkers at 140+kph while showing a lot of composure. With the bat was handy as well in LOIs. But as soon as fame came, he regressed at the most alarming rate and then failed to perform in domestic or limited internationals he got a chance in.

4. Amir Yamin: Another one who impressed with the bat in his debut series. But no one showed enough faith in his bowling and he himself didn't develop his old ball skills either.

5. Fahim Ashraf: The incumbent. The top seam bowling allrounder in Pakistan in terms of investment and name value. Although he has done fairly well with the bat in tests, his batting in the LOIs has been abysmal at best. His bowling is serviceable in LOIs, can give you a full quota, and doesn't offer any threat in tests, but his batting deems him unselectable as an all-rounder in LOIs.

6. Hussain Talat: A Batting allrounder who has very good batting numbers in domestic, but his bowling still seems at nascent stage despite having been in the domestic circuit for over 8 years.

7. Amad Butt: Another similar tale of a 140-kph bowler with batting potential who hasn't improved enough.

8. Aamer Jamal: The newest kid on the block. Bowls 140+ has capability of hitting good cameos. Will he develop?

I am sure there's more names I have missed. Why is it in Pakistan that no one seems to bother taking both their disciplines seriously and work on them or is it the failure of the domestic coaches who don't put consider developing their dual abilities?
 
It's been well known Pakistan has been dealing since 2011 with no proper seam bowling allrounder since Abdul Razzaq was on his last legs since WC 2011. Actually, a past prime Abdul Razzaq was better than the others we have tried, invested in or didn't invest in.

By proper seam bowling allrounder, it doesn't mean bits and pieces players like someone who can bowl 3 or 4 overs or bats at 9. There are part-timers, and they are complete in one discipline, either batting or bowling.

Here is a list of names:

1.Hammad Azam: Came with a lot of hype, bowling never developed, wasn't given enough chances with the bat.

2. Anwar Ali: A bowler who became a specialist finisher in domestic cricket while his bowling was reduced to military medium. Could have been given more chances for no.6-7 spot

3. Bilawal Bhatti: He had the ingredients of an allrounder when he burst up the scene. Was bowling pin-point yorkers at 140+kph while showing a lot of composure. With the bat was handy as well in LOIs. But as soon as fame came, he regressed at the most alarming rate and then failed to perform in domestic or limited internationals he got a chance in.

4. Amir Yamin: Another one who impressed with the bat in his debut series. But no one showed enough faith in his bowling and he himself didn't develop his old ball skills either.

5. Fahim Ashraf: The incumbent. The top seam bowling allrounder in Pakistan in terms of investment and name value. Although he has done fairly well with the bat in tests, his batting in the LOIs has been abysmal at best. His bowling is serviceable in LOIs, can give you a full quota, and doesn't offer any threat in tests, but his batting deems him unselectable as an all-rounder in LOIs.

6. Hussain Talat: A Batting allrounder who has very good batting numbers in domestic, but his bowling still seems at nascent stage despite having been in the domestic circuit for over 8 years.

7. Amad Butt: Another similar tale of a 140-kph bowler with batting potential who hasn't improved enough.

8. Aamer Jamal: The newest kid on the block. Bowls 140+ has capability of hitting good cameos. Will he develop?

I am sure there's more names I have missed. Why is it in Pakistan that no one seems to bother taking both their disciplines seriously and work on them or is it the failure of the domestic coaches who don't put consider developing their dual abilities?

Good post. Wasim Jr could be another one. He has proved himself with the ball, but we are yet to see him do anything meaningful with the bat.
 
Good post. Wasim Jr could be another one. He has proved himself with the ball, but we are yet to see him do anything meaningful with the bat.
To be considered a batter, 1. In tests: you need patience and inning and partnership building abilities. (Wasim hasn't shown that in his career yet). 2. In LOIs, you just need good hand eye coordination (with timing/power)and some good match reading ability and you can become a no.7 or 8. Wasim hasn't shown that yet either nor has he given any evidence of that in domestic. But his bowling does have the potential.
 
Naseem Shah is the only Pakistani player to average above 24 with the bat and below 25 with the ball in ODIs (min. 100 runs and 40 wickets).

He likes to fight with both bat and ball... Better batsman than other over-hyped fake all-rounders like Shaheen. LOL
 
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Pakistan's best all rounder in ICC ODI ranking is salman ali agha at no.16. Top 5 occupied by Afgahnistan (3), Zimbabwe (1), Bangladesh (1). NZ has 3 in top 10. Amazingly Only bracewell played in this series.

 
Before deciding who will be the next big allrounder in pakistan, they should give consistent chances for players to express their talent, chopping & changing will never help pakistan produce the next allrounder.
 
Well, it should’ve been Faheem (not great but good enough to win us major games), I was a huge fan of him before he got picked for the CT back in 2017. He didn’t live up to my expectations, but should’ve never been dropped from the test format.

If he hadn’t been dropped from the test team, I reckon he would’ve averaged close to 30 with the bat in LOI’s.

Faheem and Amir Jamal need to be backed more, in the right formats.
 
I don’t see any real potential from an all rounder perspective yet. The definition of an all rounder has become messed up over the last couple of decades.
An all rounder is not one who can both bowl and bat but one that can command a place in the team based on either of his skills alone - batting or bowling. I don’t see anyone fitting that mould at this time.
 
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