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Who will provide the X-Factor for Pakistan in their T20 World Cup squad?

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With the world cup coming up very soon, the question is who can be the x factor. With so many puzzles to be solved who should be the middle order, which spinners should we go with, who should make the final list for fast bowlers and etc...

So many questions need to be answered. One thing is for sure is that bowlers do win you championships , although the middle order is a concern if pakistan select the correct bowlers and use the correct combinations than they can do well.

In world tournaments we do tend to see x factors do well since its players that are unknown or have little exposure. For me the x factors are the following

Arshad Iqbal ( he is a must ) imo and can help pakistan in the long run.

In terms of fast bowling all arounder, i think Mohammad Wasim can cause a lot of damage as well might go for runs but can get wickets and is a solid batsman, i do believe he is better option than faheem ashraf.

The most important one for me is the spinners, since spinners are cruciel and also due to the conditions they will play in.

It seems PCB is set with qadir, imad, shadab, and nawaz they might break it down to 3 or maybe even select all 4. That being said this is not the combonation you should go with.

PCB need to take a risk and give chance to Zahid Mehmood or even Nauman Ali (although a test player) i think he can succeed. We can really go with any other new options since they have not been tested. Maybe zafar gohar or usama mir can be thrown in but i dont see that happening.

In nutshell
Arshad iqbal
Mohammad wasim jr
Zahid mehmood or Nauman ali or both if possible

Who do you guys think can be an x factor.
 
None!!! We are not a good team. Every team will send their main team. Our team will be badly exposed.
 
I feel like Imad Wasim may have a good time.

His type of spin is suitable for UAE pitches.
 
I would want the Imad/Nawaz combo for an over or 2 at least. Think they could bring about a collapse.
 
If Haider Ali had shown some improvement, I would have said his name but alas...
 
Shadab Khan.

One of those guys who can change the game by his fielding alone. He is a good bowler as well. But not a good batsman in T20s.
 
Hasan Ali is our best bet with the bat, and perhaps with the ball.

He seems to be the only genuine T20 hitter who has a little power in his arms, can swing the bat with good speed, and can make a solid connection.

In T20 he bats A LOT better than many of the "specialized" batsmen.
 
gazza619 said:
Fakhar Zaman is due a killer performance in a T20 tournament.
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Fakhar zaman can be a factor too but i feel most teams will have him figured out just what i think i hope i am wrong and if he bats lower down the order and can bat well that can be an x factor thing too
 
Hassan Ali is the X factor of our team. Since his return from his injury and that century in the QEA final he has been a man on a misison.
 
If Fakhar turns up , one massive match winner right there !
CT17
T20 Tri series .

Let’s gooo!
 
Waqar Younis sitting at the dug out would provide the xfactor, but for the opposition, since he ensures our bowling keeps dipping.
 
Hasnain Rolf Haris & shaheens 10 rpo gives the opposition 120 runs before the games even began. Pak will have to play out of there skins to even win a game.
 
Surprised no one mentioned Dahani. Likely to be selected if he plays and does well on odi debut.
 
mon858 said:
Surprised no one mentioned Dahani. Likely to be selected if he plays and does well on odi debut.
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I didnt mention him, because i feel are dumb management wont take him to the t20 world cup. But If he gets selected, and bowls, than yes he can be an x factor for sure.
 
gazza619 said:
He needs to open though.
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No, he struggles in the PP with fielders around and tight bowling around his pads. #3 or 4 is a good spot for him.

However, Fakhar struggled a lot in UAE. Even in ODI's, he struggles to bat there because he can't get his timing right with the slow pitches and can struggle vs good spin. If Fakhar does figure it out batting in the middle of the order, it could definitely change the fortunes of the Pakistani side but hard to bet on that considering his deep struggles in UAE.

I do think he played well in PSL when it was held in UAE... so I guess that is the hope.
 
If Pakistan wants to go deep in the tournament, they need to lose the first two games. Also they must debut 2 new guys who nobody has ever had a look and hope for beginner's luck like they had with Fakhar and Hasan in the Champions trophy. That's the only way Pakistan does well in the tournament.
 
Misbah U Haq is our X factor
He will make sure, we surrender even before matches start

Glad , Misbah is not our Army General, else we will surrender everywhere, haha:)
 
If amir gets selected he can be an x factor, does tend to turn up in ICC events but his return seems almost impossible
 
Looking at the sqaud selecting only xfactor i see in the sqaud becuase he has not been exposed yet too much to international cricket is Mohammad Wasim Jr
 
Dahani the X Factor

Gents if we reflect to the glory days of the 2009 t20 WC, we had an X-Factor there in Muhammad Amir looking at the stats (ave 29, ER 7.29, Total wickets= 6 in 7 games) he was ok but he was raw and unfamiliar territory for any new batsman.

We need a bowler who can deliver similar and it's not Amir this time but Dahani, he's new, deceptive and has done well in UAE conditions along with having a decent QeA season. Crazy or can it just work?
 
Firebat said:
Hassan Ali is the X factor of our team. Since his return from his injury and that century in the QEA final he has been a man on a misison.
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My new dark horse if placed in the squad is Dahani think he can be the Amir/Gul of 2009 WC T20.
 
iniqbal223 said:
Misbah U Haq is our X factor
He will make sure, we surrender even before matches start

Glad , Misbah is not our Army General, else we will surrender everywhere, haha:)
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Misbah is now the EX Factor.
Gone!
No more with the team!
 
Azam Khan, Khusdil, Asif Ali, Sohaib Maqsood will rise to the occasion, mark my words
 
I think Sohaib Maqsood will have a good tournament and if MoHa can in his last tourney finally turn up, then Pak have a decent top 4.

Middle order 5-6 anyway nobody expecting much. Shadab with bat will be great if he can bring PSL hitting form in.

Bowling is ok. Shaheen and Hasan look good and spinners can bowl around them
 
We are heavily dependent on Babar. If he scores then Pak dos well, Babar is our trump card and main man. Hasan and Shaheen both have been doing well recently but overall our skipper is the game changer for us.
 
The biggest X factor is experience which will be very valuable in pressure situations.

The Pakistan T20 squad has played tremendous volumes of T20 cricket, International, domestic, International T20 clubs... no other team comes close.
 
Shaheen will be the X factor if he bowls well then Pakistan will reach the semi final.I have high hopes of Shaheen.
 
Shoaibbtt said:
My new dark horse if placed in the squad is Dahani think he can be the Amir/Gul of 2009 WC T20.
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I don't see how dahani will get in the XI as I see shaheen,Hassan and Wasim and Rauf as the first 4 choices and I would g go with the first 3 names Hassan and wasim add batting depth
 
shamaan said:
I don't see how dahani will get in the XI as I see shaheen,Hassan and Wasim and Rauf as the first 4 choices and I would g go with the first 3 names Hassan and wasim add batting depth
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I don't think they'll add 4 seamers.

Let me put it this way, Pakistan has to stop living with the scenario of what could have been?

From recent memory the 2 biggest what could have been moments are:

- What would have happened had we played Junaid Khan in WC 2011 semi-final
- What would have happened had we actually given Hasnain a shot in WC 2019

Pakistan needs to back it's youngsters and for me Dahani is new, he is a quicker Bhuveshnar Kumar and he's unknown territory for batsmen who haven't played him.
 
Hafeez will easily be the X-factor in batting cause apart from the openers he’s the only one who can stay at the crease and play at a decent strike rate. He’s got all the shots and a tonne of experience. Plus it’s in the uae so it’s likely he’ll regain his 2020 form.

In terms of bowling I feel like Shaheen will perform better than hasan ali and will surprise a lot of people. He’s getting better by the day so he would be the standout for me.

I also have a feeling that Wasim jr will surprise the lower ranked sides in the pool games because they wouldn’t have seen much of him, if they play him of course.
 
Pakistan may go on to beat India and even win the title but again at the start of the tournament as an opponent fan, I have no fear of the team. I remember in the 90's when India played Pakistan as a fan there was always that fear factor, it is no longer there. Even if India loses it will be considered as an upset in the current scenario. The team selected is very poor and every team will know that if you take down the openers the battle is half won against Pakistan.
 
Shoaibbtt said:
I don't think they'll add 4 seamers.

Let me put it this way, Pakistan has to stop living with the scenario of what could have been?

From recent memory the 2 biggest what could have been moments are:

- What would have happened had we played Junaid Khan in WC 2011 semi-final
- What would have happened had we actually given Hasnain a shot in WC 2019

Pakistan needs to back it's youngsters and for me Dahani is new, he is a quicker Bhuveshnar Kumar and he's unknown territory for batsmen who haven't played him.
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Hassan,shaheen and wasim Is my 3 bowlers and the two usual spinners.wasim and Hassan are capable of quicks 25s hence why il go with them two
 
Wasim does hold that edge but think maybe having a specialist pacer in Dahani might add a bit of spice. You can't just ignore his PSL performances.
 
Shoaibbtt said:
Wasim does hold that edge but think maybe having a specialist pacer in Dahani might add a bit of spice. You can't just ignore his PSL performances.
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Your right Dahani can be an x factor. In fact it's very possible Pakistan makes changes to the squad, if do their can be several x factors for Pakistan
 
shariqnoor said:
If Pakistan wants to go deep in the tournament, they need to lose the first two games. Also they must debut 2 new guys who nobody has ever had a look and hope for beginner's luck like they had with Fakhar and Hasan in the Champions trophy. That's the only way Pakistan does well in the tournament.
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Hasan was bowling superb before the Champions trophy. He was not a beginner by any means
 
Could be a tournament for Wasim JR to make a big name for himself
 
nextover666666 said:
Your right Dahani can be an x factor. In fact it's very possible Pakistan makes changes to the squad, if do their can be several x factors for Pakistan
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Absolutely love that kid and his energy. Somewhere he needs to be slotted in, but where is the question. Speaking boldly i can say we can win this cup without Shaheen.
 
Shoaibbtt said:
Absolutely love that kid and his energy. Somewhere he needs to be slotted in, but where is the question. Speaking boldly i can say we can win this cup without Shaheen.
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No we can't win the world cup without shaheen
 
Shazzam said:
Sohaib Moqsood. He is a impact player. A pure match winner.
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Are you serious?

Sohaib has been really disappointing. He has turned into a lazy hack.

The thing is that he is not even a hack but always pretends to be one. This is his biggest downfall as he confuses stupidity with bravery.
 
So wirh Zaman sarfraz and haidar Ali being added it can be interesting I will still say wasim Jr is the x factor but I will say also haidar Ali can be one if he can perform
 
X-factor will win you 1 game out of 10.

Consistency will win you 9 games out of 10.

Our selections of consistent players will help us greatly in the upcoming world cup. Making baseless selections of inconsistent sloggers would have been a worse decision.
[MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION] I'm sure you'll agree with what I've said.

We have a very young bowling line-up, we don't need to take an entirely inexperienced team to the WC and get humiliated at the center stage.

Having consistent performers is a luxury that we have failed to understand for a long time. Even two years ago when Misbah removed Malik and Hafeez from T20Is, I kept harping about maintaining the same winning squad and combination because consistent players are always going to give you what you need.

People complaining about going back to the same middle-order need to understand: there's a reason we're back at square one because square one was the best combination. It was foolish to tamper with something unnecessarily and derail a lot of potential progress.
 
UzmanBeast said:
X-factor will win you 1 game out of 10.

Consistency will win you 9 games out of 10.

Our selections of consistent players will help us greatly in the upcoming world cup. Making baseless selections of inconsistent sloggers would have been a worse decision.
[MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION] I'm sure you'll agree with what I've said.

We have a very young bowling line-up, we don't need to take an entirely inexperienced team to the WC and get humiliated at the center stage.

Having consistent performers is a luxury that we have failed to understand for a long time. Even two years ago when Misbah removed Malik and Hafeez from T20Is, I kept harping about maintaining the same winning squad and combination because consistent players are always going to give you what you need.

People complaining about going back to the same middle-order need to understand: there's a reason we're back at square one because square one was the best combination. It was foolish to tamper with something unnecessarily and derail a lot of potential progress.
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Agree 100%.

I'm surprised how some of our fans have such short memories. Because its like they forget about what and who actually got Pakistan to No.1 in T20Is in the first place.

And while I'm all for giving new guys a chance, but the World Cup simply is not the place to be giving chances to players who have dodgy records, are inexperienced and have never delivered in Pakistan colors.

Its funny how this team greatly resembles the one that led Pakistan to N1. In a way its like things moving back into place the way they should be.

Obviously it doesn't guarantee Pakistan will do well. But atleast they have a fighting chance and look like a good side on paper that certainly has the capability to beat any other side. Something that quite clearly was not the case before.
 
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RedwoodOriginal said:
Agree 100%.

I'm surprised how some of our fans have such short memories. Because its like they forget about what and who actually got Pakistan to No.1 in T20Is in the first place.

And while I'm all for giving new guys a chance, but the World Cup simply is not the place to be giving chances to players who have dodgy records, are inexperienced and have never delivered in Pakistan colors.

Its funny how this team greatly resembles the one that led Pakistan to N1. In a way its like things moving back into place the way they should be.

Obviously it doesn't guarantee Pakistan will do well. But atleast they have a fighting chance and look like a good side on paper that certainly has the capability to beat any other side. Something that quite clearly was not the case before.
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The blame that we've moved back to square one is just absurd to me: if square one was the best use of resources, and you moved away from it, why try and blame the management that have rectified this mistake?

There's a reason teams are very reluctant to change winning combinations, there's no point of doing so if it hammers our performances.

What our fanbase seems to be so preoccupied with is hyping players to the moon and not realizing how technically deficient they actually are. Then come the statements that "player X is better than Rohit Sharma/Virat Kohli/Hardik Pandya/etc." without any credentials to support that player.

It's an eye-opener as to how much some people lack basic cricketing knowledge and are overcome by media trends.

I agree, it's quite funny how the the people who hate Hafeez and Malik for being better than their contemporaries have no answer to the question: "Who else has performed well enough to replace them?".

It's a question they'll never have an answer to, because every single player they've hyped to the moon has fallen down and gone missing.

Asif Ali, Khushdil Shah, Hussain Talat, Danish Aziz, and the list goes on, and on, and on.

It takes very limited cricketing knowledge to understand how talent emerges in a system, and to know what talent actually looks like. In a few weeks, watch people start threads about how an unheard player is the next generational talent, because our system hasn't produced a single talented player since Babar Azam, and we are scrambling to compete with other cricket systems around the world, desperate to show that we too can produce international quality players.
 
UzmanBeast said:
The blame that we've moved back to square one is just absurd to me: if square one was the best use of resources, and you moved away from it, why try and blame the management that have rectified this mistake?

There's a reason teams are very reluctant to change winning combinations, there's no point of doing so if it hammers our performances.

What our fanbase seems to be so preoccupied with is hyping players to the moon and not realizing how technically deficient they actually are. Then come the statements that "player X is better than Rohit Sharma/Virat Kohli/Hardik Pandya/etc." without any credentials to support that player.

It's an eye-opener as to how much some people lack basic cricketing knowledge and are overcome by media trends.

I agree, it's quite funny how the the people who hate Hafeez and Malik for being better than their contemporaries have no answer to the question: "Who else has performed well enough to replace them?".

It's a question they'll never have an answer to, because every single player they've hyped to the moon has fallen down and gone missing.

Asif Ali, Khushdil Shah, Hussain Talat, Danish Aziz, and the list goes on, and on, and on.

It takes very limited cricketing knowledge to understand how talent emerges in a system, and to know what talent actually looks like. In a few weeks, watch people start threads about how an unheard player is the next generational talent, because our system hasn't produced a single talented player since Babar Azam, and we are scrambling to compete with other cricket systems around the world, desperate to show that we too can produce international quality players.
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For me it all goes back to the fact that consistency is such an alien concept to Pakistani fans and selectors that they somehow cannot fathom the idea of identifying 20 guys that form your core squad. With 4-5 going in and out based on form. How can you expect a team to be consistent if the team combination is up in the air every series?

Sure, we aren't on the level of teams like India, Australia, New Zealand and England on a micro or macro level. But while its easy to blame the system and lack of resources for alot of stuff, its not like we don't have talent. If anything, a key difference is that those teams don't make 10 changes to their squads every series. Or drop guys who have been performing in national colors for absolutely no reason. They give chances to young players too but there is a thought process that goes into that. Guys don't get selected for one good innings in a Super Smash T20 tournament or one good season in the Sheffield Shield. And if they have exceedingly done well in domestic cricket like Burns and Sibley; they get the long rope and a proper chance to prove themselves. Their systems don't waste players like Fawad Alam and reward players like Azam Khan.

Unfortunately, most people who watch cricket in Pakistan are unable to grasp these very basic differences even though they couldn't be more obvious.

I say blame the system wholeheartedly, just don't use it as an excuse to cover up for your own incompetence. When you make outlandish selections that have no rhyme or reason to them, then that 's your fault, not the system's.
 
UzmanBeast said:
The blame that we've moved back to square one is just absurd to me: if square one was the best use of resources, and you moved away from it, why try and blame the management that have rectified this mistake?

There's a reason teams are very reluctant to change winning combinations, there's no point of doing so if it hammers our performances.

What our fanbase seems to be so preoccupied with is hyping players to the moon and not realizing how technically deficient they actually are. Then come the statements that "player X is better than Rohit Sharma/Virat Kohli/Hardik Pandya/etc." without any credentials to support that player.

It's an eye-opener as to how much some people lack basic cricketing knowledge and are overcome by media trends.

I agree, it's quite funny how the the people who hate Hafeez and Malik for being better than their contemporaries have no answer to the question: "Who else has performed well enough to replace them?".

It's a question they'll never have an answer to, because every single player they've hyped to the moon has fallen down and gone missing.

Asif Ali, Khushdil Shah, Hussain Talat, Danish Aziz, and the list goes on, and on, and on.

It takes very limited cricketing knowledge to understand how talent emerges in a system, and to know what talent actually looks like. In a few weeks, watch people start threads about how an unheard player is the next generational talent, because our system hasn't produced a single talented player since Babar Azam, and we are scrambling to compete with other cricket systems around the world, desperate to show that we too can produce international quality players.
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When I look at the selections Misbah made, it seemed patently obvious to me that he was there to show-up his critics rather than do what was best for the team.

People used to say he relied too much on spinners and didn't give enough chances to young players. Boom he gives test debuts to Naseem and Musa in his first test series.

People used to say he didn't properly back Shahzad and Umar Akmal. Boom, first series in and they are back. And dropping Malik, Hafeez was also quite telling because it tied back into the criticism of him favoring experienced guys over young players.

With Mohammad Wasim you get the sense that he is almost desperate to get credit for unearthing the next long-term future talent. Which explains (to an extent) why he makes such outlandish selections and selects a new player who hasn't played for Pakistan in almost every series, eventhough in most cases that player is nowhere near ready. All of it has a really desperate feel like trying to throw everything at the wall and hoping something sticks.
 
It’s the bowlers who will be key and in that aspect there’s one name for us - Shaheen. The xfactor if ever there was one, and the key for us against the stronger teams.
 
What worries me is that other teams will have quality spinners as their x-factor.

It seems Shadab, Nawaz and Imad don't measure up that well in comparison.
 
Shaheen, Hassan and possibly Haider if he carries some form into the tournament.
 
hitthestump said:
What worries me is that other teams will have quality spinners as their x-factor.

It seems Shadab, Nawaz and Imad don't measure up that well in comparison.
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True. PAK will need to join the dots through a combination of Shadab, Imad, Nawaz, Hafeez and Malik. Would look to bowl 12-15 overs between them but possibly without any of them having a spell of more than 2 overs at any one time. This works both ways with bowlers like Shadab potentially not settling into rhythm but can also throw off batsmen looking to line them up.
 
UzmanBeast said:
The blame that we've moved back to square one is just absurd to me: if square one was the best use of resources, and you moved away from it, why try and blame the management that have rectified this mistake?

There's a reason teams are very reluctant to change winning combinations, there's no point of doing so if it hammers our performances.

What our fanbase seems to be so preoccupied with is hyping players to the moon and not realizing how technically deficient they actually are. Then come the statements that "player X is better than Rohit Sharma/Virat Kohli/Hardik Pandya/etc." without any credentials to support that player.

It's an eye-opener as to how much some people lack basic cricketing knowledge and are overcome by media trends.

I agree, it's quite funny how the the people who hate Hafeez and Malik for being better than their contemporaries have no answer to the question: "Who else has performed well enough to replace them?".

It's a question they'll never have an answer to, because every single player they've hyped to the moon has fallen down and gone missing.

Asif Ali, Khushdil Shah, Hussain Talat, Danish Aziz, and the list goes on, and on, and on.

It takes very limited cricketing knowledge to understand how talent emerges in a system, and to know what talent actually looks like. In a few weeks, watch people start threads about how an unheard player is the next generational talent, because our system hasn't produced a single talented player since Babar Azam, and we are scrambling to compete with other cricket systems around the world, desperate to show that we too can produce international quality players.
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Completely disagree with the notion that who else has performed better than Malik and Hafeez . Malik ha/ not scored a 50 in his last 5 icc tournaments and ended the 2019 World Cup with 0 and 0. Hafeez has 1 50 in 5 t20 world cups . These two have been hogging World Cup spots in the name of “experience “, when they are proven chokers in ICC tournaments. How else can the likes of iftikhar and even a khushdil prove them selves at the world level when these two keep getting in.

They both are selfish beyond belief and we have narrow minded people who start parading their return like they are world beaters when in fact there ICC records are a travesty .
 
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gazza619 said:
Rizwan will be our X factor Insha Allah.
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Has the potential to not wilt under pressure and lead from the top. He needs to put away the shuffle outside off with the goal of slog sweeping deliveries that should be played to through covers. He is capable of a reasonable off-side game however he chooses to telegraph his intentions to the bowlers well in advance.

If he starts playing the ball on its line relative to his original stance, he will start morphing into a player to be reckoned with.
 
Firebat said:
Shaheen, Hassan and possibly Haider if he carries some form into the tournament.
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Haider does have this potential. And given PAK's brittle middle order, I would say only one of Fakhar or Haider plays.

If Haider gets to bat at No.3 and bats with a licence to go given BA, MR, MH and SM will likely bat around him then he can be a good foil to the grafting of the others. One or two such innings will tilt the balance in PAK's favour.
 
GreenKhan said:
Completely disagree with the notion that who else has performed better than Malik and Hafeez . Malik ha/ not scored a 50 in his last 5 icc tournaments and ended the 2019 World Cup with 0 and 0. Hafeez has 1 50 in 5 t20 world cups . These two have been hogging World Cup spots in the name of “experience “, when they are proven chokers in ICC tournaments. How else can the likes of iftikhar and even a khushdil prove them selves at the world level when these two keep getting in.

They both are selfish beyond belief and we have narrow minded people who start parading their return like they are world beaters when in fact there ICC records are a travesty .
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First, Iftikhar and Khushdil should prove themselves at domestic level.

If they are failing at domestic level, do you seriously think it is logical to boot them to the international level?

Listen to the argument: I failed my math exam in grade 8, and then I'm angry why the teacher didn't let me take advanced math in grade 9.

Absurd really. If they are experienced and performing, I have no issues with their selections. Whereas Malik and Hafeez may not have performed in ICC events, they have performed in domestic cricket and in PSL, whereas the guys you are suggesting are yet to perform anywhere.

Malik and Hafeez don't have crippling limitations like those you have mentioned. They are not overweight, they are not match-fixers, they are not poor players of spin, and they are not shoddy fielders.

Add the runs Malik and Hafeez have scored in PSL and you'll get more runs than what the other "contemporaries" have scored in perhaps the entire domestic season.

The only one of the contemporaries I think deserves a spot is Iftikhar Ahmed, he has performed whenever given the opportunity, more so than Khushdil Shah.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
When I look at the selections Misbah made, it seemed patently obvious to me that he was there to show-up his critics rather than do what was best for the team.

People used to say he relied too much on spinners and didn't give enough chances to young players. Boom he gives test debuts to Naseem and Musa in his first test series.

People used to say he didn't properly back Shahzad and Umar Akmal. Boom, first series in and they are back. And dropping Malik, Hafeez was also quite telling because it tied back into the criticism of him favoring experienced guys over young players.

With Mohammad Wasim you get the sense that he is almost desperate to get credit for unearthing the next long-term future talent. Which explains (to an extent) why he makes such outlandish selections and selects a new player who hasn't played for Pakistan in almost every series, eventhough in most cases that player is nowhere near ready. All of it has a really desperate feel like trying to throw everything at the wall and hoping something sticks.
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Our selectors have always been desperate. Some take bribes, some get phone calls from their buddies, and some are just too fixated on media pressure.

This is why even our players demand foreign coaches; people who reach high ranks in domestic systems are usually incompetent.

To add to your list, Mohammad Wasim greatly favors players from Northern, his own team.

We need to create a coaching panel that doesn't have these head coaches of domestic teams, or PSL management, or anything of the sort. These people, in my mind, should be completely unbiased with selections.

It will take a while for us to unearth someone competent to steer the ship of team selection, but Mohammad Wasim has been horrible.

I said it when his first few squads were selected, he's a bluff, he's not thinking logically. He falters at the slightest sign of media pressure, and there is no evidence of long-term thinking.

This is partly why I'd want a foreign chief selector, as weird as it sounds, someone who won't have inherent biases or guys to impress in the media, someone who's there to do the job they're given.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
For me it all goes back to the fact that consistency is such an alien concept to Pakistani fans and selectors that they somehow cannot fathom the idea of identifying 20 guys that form your core squad. With 4-5 going in and out based on form. How can you expect a team to be consistent if the team combination is up in the air every series?

Sure, we aren't on the level of teams like India, Australia, New Zealand and England on a micro or macro level. But while its easy to blame the system and lack of resources for alot of stuff, its not like we don't have talent. If anything, a key difference is that those teams don't make 10 changes to their squads every series. Or drop guys who have been performing in national colors for absolutely no reason. They give chances to young players too but there is a thought process that goes into that. Guys don't get selected for one good innings in a Super Smash T20 tournament or one good season in the Sheffield Shield. And if they have exceedingly done well in domestic cricket like Burns and Sibley; they get the long rope and a proper chance to prove themselves. Their systems don't waste players like Fawad Alam and reward players like Azam Khan.

Unfortunately, most people who watch cricket in Pakistan are unable to grasp these very basic differences even though they couldn't be more obvious.

I say blame the system wholeheartedly, just don't use it as an excuse to cover up for your own incompetence. When you make outlandish selections that have no rhyme or reason to them, then that 's your fault, not the system's.
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I agree. The common person who watches cricket in Pakistan has no idea about selection procedures or anything.

As soon as their cousin's friend's brother's uncle's father's cousin's son hits a 25 off 10, they're running around for the selection.

Our media is also incompetent, they're just borderline deranged and stupid.

You need professionalism which won't occur any time soon.
 
UzmanBeast said:
Our selectors have always been desperate. Some take bribes, some get phone calls from their buddies, and some are just too fixated on media pressure.

This is why even our players demand foreign coaches; people who reach high ranks in domestic systems are usually incompetent.

To add to your list, Mohammad Wasim greatly favors players from Northern, his own team.

We need to create a coaching panel that doesn't have these head coaches of domestic teams, or PSL management, or anything of the sort. These people, in my mind, should be completely unbiased with selections.

It will take a while for us to unearth someone competent to steer the ship of team selection, but Mohammad Wasim has been horrible.

I said it when his first few squads were selected, he's a bluff, he's not thinking logically. He falters at the slightest sign of media pressure, and there is no evidence of long-term thinking.

This is partly why I'd want a foreign chief selector, as weird as it sounds, someone who won't have inherent biases or guys to impress in the media, someone who's there to do the job they're given.
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It's certainly something to think about. However, such a thing does not come without its caveats. And here I have no choice but to resort to stereotypes and perceptions because sadly that's what such a thing would entail.

A Sri Lankan or West Indian will likely be isolated in the same way that a politician is by bureaucrats around him. He will be kept in the dark and hurdles will pop up for him at every turn as the people around him band together until he has no choice but to leave himself.

A westerner or a South African might actually be able to get things done. But there are further caveats to this. If the person is not a well-known name then he will likely get the same treatment as the Sri Lankan and West Indian because according to our utterly backwards cricket eco-system, only players who have played cricket and made a name for themselves are worthy of respect and cricket-related jobs.

A well-known name from a Western country might be good. But then the question is would he be willing to uproot his entire life in his home country to move to Pakistan with his family and not be able to move around without high-level security? Because I don't see most signing up for that.

Pakistan has a number of great cricket writers and cricket journalists who in my opinion understand the game very well and are on the modern wavelength. I'm talking about guys like Osman Samiuddin, Hassan Cheema, Rehan-ul-Haq, Haider Azhar; all of whom (except Osman) are currently involved with PSL teams. I would much rather prefer if one of them was chief-selector. Despite some of the same hurdles (inhon ne tou cricket he nahin kheli hai), and pressure from lobbies; atleast you would have guys who are competent and understand Pakistan cricket and the value of data really well.
 
UzmanBeast said:
I agree. The common person who watches cricket in Pakistan has no idea about selection procedures or anything.

As soon as their cousin's friend's brother's uncle's father's cousin's son hits a 25 off 10, they're running around for the selection.

Our media is also incompetent, they're just borderline deranged and stupid.

You need professionalism which won't occur any time soon.
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You hit the nail on the head with those adjectives. Couldn't agree more.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
It's certainly something to think about. However, such a thing does not come without its caveats. And here I have no choice but to resort to stereotypes and perceptions because sadly that's what such a thing would entail.

A Sri Lankan or West Indian will likely be isolated in the same way that a politician is by bureaucrats around him. He will be kept in the dark and hurdles will pop up for him at every turn as the people around him band together until he has no choice but to leave himself.

A westerner or a South African might actually be able to get things done. But there are further caveats to this. If the person is not a well-known name then he will likely get the same treatment as the Sri Lankan and West Indian because according to our utterly backwards cricket eco-system, only players who have played cricket and made a name for themselves are worthy of respect and cricket-related jobs.

A well-known name from a Western country might be good. But then the question is would he be willing to uproot his entire life in his home country to move to Pakistan with his family and not be able to move around without high-level security? Because I don't see most signing up for that.

Pakistan has a number of great cricket writers and cricket journalists who in my opinion understand the game very well and are on the modern wavelength. I'm talking about guys like Osman Samiuddin, Hassan Cheema, Rehan-ul-Haq, Haider Azhar; all of whom (except Osman) are currently involved with PSL teams. I would much rather prefer if one of them was chief-selector. Despite some of the same hurdles (inhon ne tou cricket he nahin kheli hai), and pressure from lobbies; atleast you would have guys who are competent and understand Pakistan cricket and the value of data really well.
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I believe Osman Samiuddin is on ESPNcricinfo, a good opportunity so I doubt he'll try and go down this route.

There are certainly educated people who understand the need of cricket, but a few of them need to get in power before something can be done.

This is partly why I want more intellectually capable franchise owners for the PSL, schmucks like Javed Afridi can go lick boots elsewhere or hide more money outside the country. These arrogant money-launderers need to go elsewhere, replaced with people who want the most efficient use of players, personnel and have a professional sense.

The franchise owners are deluded idiots, 95% of the revenue pool and none of them can develop any players. They still keep the same management, same team sheet, no changes whatsoever. And then they go around breaking rules. This sorry lot should be replaced with proper businessmen, because these franchise owners hardly spend money to do anything except fill in the paychecks of these deluded cricketers and friends they keep in the management.

Put all the franchises up for an auction, let's see if these owners really have the guts to spend that sort of cash to own one of the franchises.
 
UzmanBeast said:
I believe Osman Samiuddin is on ESPNcricinfo, a good opportunity so I doubt he'll try and go down this route.

There are certainly educated people who understand the need of cricket, but a few of them need to get in power before something can be done.

This is partly why I want more intellectually capable franchise owners for the PSL, schmucks like Javed Afridi can go lick boots elsewhere or hide more money outside the country. These arrogant money-launderers need to go elsewhere, replaced with people who want the most efficient use of players, personnel and have a professional sense.

The franchise owners are deluded idiots, 95% of the revenue pool and none of them can develop any players. They still keep the same management, same team sheet, no changes whatsoever. And then they go around breaking rules. This sorry lot should be replaced with proper businessmen, because these franchise owners hardly spend money to do anything except fill in the paychecks of these deluded cricketers and friends they keep in the management.

Put all the franchises up for an auction, let's see if these owners really have the guts to spend that sort of cash to own one of the franchises.
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I disagree. I think Multan in recent times and Islamabad United have had capable and competent people at the helm. Take Ali Khan Tareen for instance. Before he lost out on his ownership he brought in Andy Flower, analysts from CricViz and Haider Azhar as team manager who are all competent people on the modern wavelength. And the result was there just a few month ago.

IU under Ali Naqvi has been the most successful PSL team. And alot of that success has been down to Hassan Cheema and Rehan-ul-Haq at the helm as managers who are very data-centric and recognize its integral importance in T20 cricket. They've also given chances to youngsters on a regular basis. And while that has unfortunately given us guys like Husain Talat and Asif Ali, they've given us Shadab and Mohammad Waseem too.

I get your point about talent but I don't think that's the fault of the owners or the franchise management. Their job is to create the best team out of the resources they have and the talent pool available to them. A team that is best equipped to bring them the trophy. They can't be blamed for the actual talent that comes out of the domestic system. Or how that talent does for Pakistan.

Asif Ali is a classic example in this regard. He goes from the penthouse to the outhouse as soon as he switches his PSL jersey for his national team jersey. From their point of view, why would they not want to retain a guy striking at close to 180 on a consistent basis for them?
 
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