Who will win the 2018 elections in Pakistan?

[JaDed]

I'll be honest PML feels more mature in politics than PTI which is along the lines that i prefer BJP over AAP in my country.
Honesty isn't the only thing needed to run a country.

 

[Slog]

'PML-n has been so damn lucky that it's period coincided with the oil crash and an improved global economy. PPP has to rule in the midst of the biggest global financial crisis since the Great Depression. Add to that they had to do a daily haazri at the corrupt Supreme Court CJ.


People are acting as if PML-N has done some great work

 

[Strike Rate]

I'll be honest PML feels more mature in politics than PTI which is along the lines that i prefer BJP over AAP in my country.
Honesty isn't the only thing needed to run a country.

3rd times in fed govt and 5th time in Punjab but trust me they still haven't learned their lesson. They maybe looking mature if you compare them PTI but overall they are still immature. Nawaz is a 3rd time PM (constitution was changed for him so that he can be elected 3rd time) and also served as CM of Punjab you expect better from him with that experience but the less said the better he is still nothing when it comes to leadership.

 

[Strike Rate]

I mean seriously? is it a family business or politics? You think nobody from your party can be a better choice than you? I can name many senior people from current PMLN who are far better choices than Nawaz Shareef as PM but they are not from Sharif family so they can't become a PM no matter how many decades they have spent working for the party

 

[JaDed]

3rd times in fed govt and 5th time in Punjab but trust me they still haven't learned their lesson. They maybe looking mature if you compare them PTI but overall they are still immature. Nawaz is a 3rd time PM (constitution was changed for him so that he can be elected 3rd time) and also served as CM of Punjab you expect better from him with that experience but the less said the better he is still nothing when it comes to leadership.

Oh?Only twice its allowed?

 

[JaDed]

I mean seriously? is it a family business or politics? You think nobody from your party can be a better choice than you? I can name many senior people from current PMLN who are far better choices than Nawaz Shareef as PM but they are not from Sharif family so they can't become a PM no matter how many decades they have spent working for the party

In family business thing its defn Congress in India and people threw them out for the same reason.

 

[Strike Rate]

Oh?Only twice its allowed?

Only 2 time was allowed and PPP wanted to do some amendments in constitution so this was given to PMLN in exchange if they support 18th Amendment.

Some new features introduced into the constitution under Eighteenth Amendment:

• The name of the former president of Pakistan, Gen Zia, has been removed from the text of Constitution
• North-West Frontier Province has been renamed Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa
• The 17th Amendment and Legal Framework Order as introduced by Musharraf has been repealed
• The ban on third time prime ministership and chief ministership has been lifted
• Holding constitution in abeyance is tantamount to high treason
• The council of Common Interest (CCI) has been reconstituted with the prime minister as its chairperson and the body should meet at least once in 90 days
• A judicial commission will recommend the appointment procedure of superior judges and the final names of judges will be decided by parliamentary commission
• A Chief Election Commissioner will be appointed through consensus between treasury and opposition
• Establishment of Islamabad high court and benches of high courts in Mengora and Turbat

 

[JaDed]

Only 2 time was allowed and PPP wanted to do some amendments in constitution so this was given to PMLN in exchange if they support 18th Amendment.

Some new features introduced into the constitution under Eighteenth Amendment:

• The name of the former president of Pakistan, Gen Zia, has been removed from the text of Constitution
• North-West Frontier Province has been renamed Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa
• The 17th Amendment and Legal Framework Order as introduced by Musharraf has been repealed
• The ban on third time prime ministership and chief ministership has been lifted
• Holding constitution in abeyance is tantamount to high treason
• The council of Common Interest (CCI) has been reconstituted with the prime minister as its chairperson and the body should meet at least once in 90 days
• A judicial commission will recommend the appointment procedure of superior judges and the final names of judges will be decided by parliamentary commission
• A Chief Election Commissioner will be appointed through consensus between treasury and opposition
• Establishment of Islamabad high court and benches of high courts in Mengora and Turbat

That is power hungry as there was a law against it already.

 

[Strike Rate]

In family business thing its defn Congress in India and people threw them out for the same reason.

The issue in Pakistan is almost every popular party is running it like family business. PMLN (Sharif family), PPP (Bhutto family), ANP (Bacha Khan family), JUIF (Mufti Mehmood family) and the list continues. Imran sons are not going to participate in Pakistani politics so after him PTI leadership will be given to another popular leader.

Jamat Islami is really unique and you are a hard working guy you can become head of Jamat Islami they were never limited to family politics. But their support is not really big so no chance of them getting in power.

 

[Strike Rate]

That is power hungry as there was a law against it already.

Yea thats how one brother is PM again and younger brother is CM. That's the so called democracy in Pakistan for you there is no democracy within parties how can they offer it to the aam awaam if they don't do justice to their own workers? There are leaders who have given 2 and 3 decades of their live to these parties but they are not from the family so no way they can't become CM or PM.

 

[Waseem]

I'll be honest PML feels more mature in politics than PTI which is along the lines that i prefer BJP over AAP in my country.
Honesty isn't the only thing needed to run a country.

PMLN as a party is lot more mature than PTI for obvious reasons as there is huge difference in terms of experience. In terms of individual qualities, Imran Khan is far ahead of Nawaz and other top leaders. He is more educated, much more honest and better leadership qualities. Nawaz has become Prime Minister 3 times and gained all this experience because he got the launching pad from dictators, Imran was offered similar launching pads from same dictator but refused based on principles.

I have no doubt that AAP can run the country better than Modi's BJP but what would average politicians get for supporting AAP? NOTHING personally and hence little success for them. Arvind Kejriwal is not a dumb person by any means but stands no chance against Modi and his gang of convicted criminals.

 

[JaDed]

PMLN as a party is lot more mature than PTI for obvious reasons as there is huge difference in terms of experience. In terms of individual qualities, Imran Khan is far ahead of Nawaz and other top leaders. He is more educated, much more honest and better leadership qualities. Nawaz has become Prime Minister 3 times and gained all this experience because he got the launching pad from dictators, Imran was offered similar launching pads from same dictator but refused based on principles.

I have no doubt that AAP can run the country better than Modi's BJP but what would average politicians get for supporting AAP? NOTHING personally and hence little success for them. Arvind Kejriwal is not a dumb person by any means but stands no chance against Modi and his gang of convicted criminals.

Arvind Kejriwal is a socialist and India's experiment with socialism ended up in massive failure.Free market capitalism with checks is the way through.I don't mind supporting him personally but the guy has done massive turn around on his word and also joined hands with Lalu Prassad and Congress,that is unacceptable.

 

[JaDed]

Yea thats how one brother is PM again and younger brother is CM. That's the so called democracy in Pakistan for you there is no democracy within parties how can they offer it to the aam awaam if they don't do justice to their own workers? There are leaders who have given 2 and 3 decades of their live to these parties but they are not from the family so no way they can't become CM or PM.

This will always be an issue in SC.People trust the "name" of the person before giving them a chance.

 

[Strike Rate]

This will always be an issue in SC.People trust the "name" of the person before giving them a chance.

Yes thats why Bilawal Zardari had to add "Bhutto" in his name from mother side to become Bilawal Bhutto Zardari.

 

[JaDed]

Yes thats why Bilawal Zardari had to add "Bhutto" in his name from mother side to become Bilawal Bhutto Zardari.

That's the funniest thing ever

 

[Strike Rate]

That's the funniest thing ever

Our politics is full of comedy.

Last year when Imran Khan dherna was going on goverment called a joint session of all parties to counter PTI and in parliament a very senior PPP leader Aitzaz Ahan accused PMLN senior leader and current interior minister Ch Nisar for corruption and many other things in his speech and in return Ch Nisar did same but the next day both announced "forgive and forget" so that "democracy is not derailed". I mean WTH any inquiry and case against our politicians and they think democracy is in danger just because their sins are going to be exposed. Wo corruption ka paisa Government ka tha ya inke father ka jo forgive kerdya.

 

[Waseem]

All that is fine, but at least he should spare us the holier-than-thou and self-rightous attitude. It is okay for him to do whatever he pleases but not for others. This is the attitude that I feel apprehensive about.

People get upset that why some people hold Imran to different moral standards - point is that he himself struts around the as second coming of Jesus, who has achieved moral enlightenment, so you cannot blame people for holding him to exalted standards. That is the hype he and his followers themselves created, and now they say that this is politics, when in Rome, do as the Romans do, everyone else does it as well, at least he is not a murderer and a thief (just an adulterer and a swinger, excuse the pun), he is still better than the rest etc. etc. etc.

He has created a big mess for himself and his supporters. Huge mess, let's not even get into the intricate details which have been discussed in great depth in the past. Now he stands in a position where even his supporters are writing him off for the next elections, and are predicted a sweeping victory for PML-N.

All the dharna politics have lead to nothing, and that is when a lot of people lost faith in him and his maturity level.

Second coming of Jesus? The same guy who openly admits he had colourful personal life. He openly admits he made a mistake supporting Musharaff (due to his promise of cracking down against corrupts). He also admitted many of his other mistakes which means he doesn't think he is second coming of Jesus, does he? Forget financial corruption, has Nawaz ever apologized for derailing Benazir/PPP governments with help of ISI and dictators? The so called MATURED leader did this a few times and today acts like champion of democracy?
Imran talks a lot about financial corruption of his opponents, has he ever been involved in corruption? He targets family politics, has he ever given any party positions to his family members? Even his cousin and brother in law are angry with him for not giving them ticket even though he had won an election on that seat previously. He criticizes others of politicizing police and other government institutions, has he ever been involved in same practices? People are already giving examples of his independent Police and Accountability Commission.

Talking about U turns Nawaz and his experienced and matured party challenged Imran to contest elections in NA122 and Maryam baji was going absolutely crazy on this? Guess what? Today they have decided to contact Supreme court which means running away from bi elections. This is as big U turn as we have seen recently in politics.

 

[waqar goraya]

If the current levels of inflation remain along with lower oil prices and completion of some promised projects PML is winning hands down.
The army also needs to support them.Basically its in the hands of PML themselves they shouldn't be dumb enough to let other scandals through they have already escaped the child pornography one.

Please have mercy on our souls!

Economy is actually moving towards deflation. And every honest manufacturer who does not steal gas/electricity is perturbed as are the farmers who are unable to even recover their costs. Then indirect taxes on petrol and salaries have lessened peoples' purchasing power.
There is ever increasing unemployment with below 4 growth, almost for a decade now. Except foreign reserves there is nothing to write about economy.
There are only 2 positive things in Pakistan right now. One is military operations which have been launched at the behest of military and the second is the Chinese promise to invest 46 billion dollars.

The PML N has destroyed every institution in our country.

 

[waqar goraya]

You want to keep things as they are now.

 

[JaDed]

Please have mercy on our souls!

Economy is actually moving towards deflation. And every honest manufacturer who does not steal gas/electricity is perturbed as are the farmers who are unable to even recover their costs. Then indirect taxes on petrol and salaries have lessened peoples' purchasing power.
There is ever increasing unemployment with below 4 growth, almost for a decade now. Except foreign reserves there is nothing to write about economy.
There are only 2 positive things in Pakistan right now. One is military operations which have been launched at the behest of military and the second is the Chinese promise to invest 46 billion dollars.

The PML N has destroyed every institution in our country.

Its how it is portrayed and PML has done very well in that aspect whereas Imran is portrayed as an anarchist he might be i don't know but just saying how i feel it is after reading Dawn and Tribune.
I agree even in India they are worried about deflation but its taken care of now and hopeful of 6%-7% growth.

 

[Square Drive]

Imran Khan has the mentality of a 10 year old. He is not mentally fit enough to lead the country - it will be absolute shambles.

U-turns are costly at that level. Very costly.

Well, might as well give him a try. Won't be as corrupt as Nawaz, I'll guarantee you that.

Won't be much worse, and there's nothing to lose.

 

[Slog]

Our politics is full of comedy.

Last year when Imran Khan dherna was going on goverment called a joint session of all parties to counter PTI and in parliament a very senior PPP leader Aitzaz Ahan accused PMLN senior leader and current interior minister Ch Nisar for corruption and many other things in his speech and in return Ch Nisar did same but the next day both announced "forgive and forget" so that "democracy is not derailed". I mean WTH any inquiry and case against our politicians and they think democracy is in danger just because their sins are going to be exposed. Wo corruption ka paisa Government ka tha ya inke father ka jo forgive kerdya.

Lol that's the biggest problem these 2 thieving parties have with PTI and Imran Khan in particular and why both are against him with a passion.

Previously a PML-N leader would level financial and governmental corruption charges against a senior PPP leader. The PPP leader instead of rejecting or arguing against these charges would bring into light corruption allegations against the PmL-N leader and his party. And both would settle down and do muk muka and forget about these corruption allegations and their investigations. This drama has been going on since 90s.

With PTI the problem is that they can't generally level counter allegations and instead have to talk about their wrongdoings and neither want to do that. As a result both corrupt parties gang up on PTI.

 

[Strike Rate]

Lol that's the biggest problem these 2 thieving parties have with PTI and Imran Khan in particular and why both are against him with a passion.

Previously a PML-N leader would level financial and governmental corruption charges against a senior PPP leader. The PPP leader instead of rejecting or arguing against these charges would bring into light corruption allegations against the PmL-N leader and his party. And both would settle down and do muk muka and forget about these corruption allegations and their investigations. This drama has been going on since 90s.

With PTI the problem is that they can't generally level counter allegations and instead have to talk about their wrongdoings and neither want to do that. As a result both corrupt parties gang up on PTI.

Fully agree with you and blame goes to majority of our awaam (not all) also they have short term memory, they like short cuts and they like short term gains so these leader suits them and their needs because they don't think for long term. Humain milawat ki itni aadat hogae he ke ab kuch be khalis ya qam milawat wala acha nae lagta.

Zardari can't visit his own country Pakistan to attend a meeting but instead the whole Sindh cabinet, CM and PPP leaders gone to meet him in Dubai for 3rd or 4th time in last 2/3 months. Humaare ghareeb mulk ke faile kabhi dubai main hote hen kabhi london main or kabhi new york. I am telling you nothing is going to change until this soyi hui qaum finally awakes otherwise this loot maar will continue as usual.

 

[waqar goraya]

Its how it is portrayed and PML has done very well in that aspect whereas Imran is portrayed as an anarchist he might be i don't know but just saying how i feel it is after reading Dawn and Tribune.
I agree even in India they are worried about deflation but its taken care of now and hopeful of 6%-7% growth.

I also read them and i find plenty of editorials and views which criticize skewed economic and governance policies.

 

[JaDed]

I also read them and i find plenty of editorials and views which criticize skewed economic and governance policies.

Yes agree but how many among the common folks read editorials rather than the flashy headlines.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

What's the current climate in Pakistan like now when it comes to the three top parties? Will 2018 be King Khan's long awaited coming or will the Sher hold on to power?

Any chance for Bill and his dad?

 

[WebGuru]

What's the current climate in Pakistan like now when it comes to the three top parties? Will 2018 be King Khan's long awaited coming or will the Sher hold on to power?

Any chance for Bill and his dad?

All depends on upcoming Panama case decision and the wave after that but no chance for bill and his dad in any case it's going to be PMLN vs PTI. PPP is irrelevant these days thanks to their silence on major issues.

PMLN is on back foot these days everything is going against them in media, ecp, courts etc but they have this ability to bounce back and they are the champions when it comes to managing (read buying) media.

PTI will have to win big from Punjab to come in power and that is only going to happen if there is a shocking Panama case decision against Sharif family.

Btw PMLN already started their pre-election rigging tactics.

 

[confused_amoeba]

IK has to win and should win. PTI should sweep.

 

[Couch Cricketer]

All depends on upcoming Panama case decision and the wave after that but no chance for bill and his dad in any case it's going to be PMLN vs PTI. PPP is irrelevant these days thanks to their silence on major issues.

PMLN is on back foot these days everything is going against them in media, ecp, courts etc but they have this ability to bounce back and they are the champions when it comes to managing (read buying) media.

PTI will have to win big from Punjab to come in power and that is only going to happen if there is a shocking Panama case decision against Sharif family.

Btw PMLN already started their pre-election rigging tactics.

Will like to see how the composition of the national assembly changes after the census. I expect Karachi to gain a few seats. The problem with PTI is that it has support all over but is the 2nd party for most seats so unlikely to come into power. So even if get half of the total votes but the seats might still go to other parties.

 

[Rafa]

We will have to see whether Panama Gate issue will have any effect or not.

 

[Syed1]

Will like to see how the composition of the national assembly changes after the census. I expect Karachi to gain a few seats. The problem with PTI is that it has support all over but is the 2nd party for most seats so unlikely to come into power. So even if get half of the total votes but the seats might still go to other parties.

They need to target South Punjab and Sindh specifically Karachi. Both places are ripe for taking. They are already expected to retain KPK and this time with even greater majority, they also have some seats in North Punjab. It is central Punjab which is the impenetrable fortress of the PML-N.


KPK + Sindh + South Punjab + Some seats from other parts of Punjab + luring the sardars of Baluchistan, should hand them a majority in the parliament.

 

[WebGuru]

KPK + Sindh + South Punjab + Some seats from other parts of Punjab + luring the sardars of Baluchistan, should hand them a majority in the parliament.

In next few days there is a by-election coming up in Ziarat (Baluchistan) and from what i saw PTI candidate there is doing a great campaign and working really hard so it will be interesting to see if PTI show some fight there and some how manage to win their first seat in Baluchistan or at least come close to winning.

 

[Syed1]

In next few days there is a by-election coming up in Ziarat (Baluchistan) and from what i saw PTI candidate there is doing a great campaign and working really hard so it will be interesting to see if PTI show some fight there and some how manage to win their first seat in Baluchistan or at least come close to winning.

I feel like Khan sahab is adamant on just winning from Takht-e-Lahore and surrounding areas and is barely focusing on the rest of Pakistan which may come back to hurt them

 

[WebGuru]

I feel like Khan sahab is adamant on just winning from Takht-e-Lahore and surrounding areas and is barely focusing on the rest of Pakistan which may come back to hurt them

True he need to realize after the census Karachi and Sindh are going to play big role. It is easy to capture those voters thn central punjab.

 

[Black Zero]

no real election reforms done...and this canould be a good thing for pti, as most Pakistani perceive that Elections were stolen by PTI.

so if PTI loses (which is most likely), then IK should refuse to accept the results and start national campaign and call for new election.

and in that election, PTI would win BIG.


i wasted some time on http://gallup.com.pk ... got nothing about the political heart beat of nation.

 

[Mamoon]

InshAllah Imran Khan will never become the PM of Pakistan.

 

[Syed1]

InshAllah Imran Khan will never become the PM of Pakistan.

I hope you are man enough to come back here when he does, not hide away like you always do.

 

[DRsohail]

dont worry about kpk here they well sweep this time....punjab will decide their fate..

 

[DRsohail]

InshAllah Imran Khan will never become the PM of Pakistan.

dr sahab disaapointed with ur comments like this....please dont say that ik is wrong etc...after all he is the best we have but i dont know why u hate him or hate pri so much...

 

[Mamoon]

I hope you are man enough to come back here when he does, not hide away like you always do.

I never go into hiding. However, as a responsible citizen of Pakistan, I will accept whatever my country decides on, even if I do not agree with the choice personally. Just like how I accepted the decision of Nawaz becoming the PM and disagreed with dharna politics, even though I had voted for PTI. The democracy of the country must be preserved, it is the only way for long-term prosperity of our nation. If the people decide that Imran Khan should be the PM, good luck to him. However, it is not going to happen and I hope it doesn't.

 

[Mamoon]

dr sahab disaapointed with ur comments like this....please dont say that ik is wrong etc...after all he is the best we have but i dont know why u hate him or hate pri so much...

Sir, Khan saab is unfit to be the PM. He has no maturity and vision. In fact, PTI will go nowhere in the long run with their three top honchos (Khan saab, SMQ and Tareen). Asad Umar is the only man of caliber in PTI, and I hope he becomes the Chairman one day. If he does, I will vote for PTI.

 

[Slog]

I never go into hiding. However, as a responsible citizen of Pakistan, I will accept whatever my country decides on, even if I do not agree with the choice personally. Just like how I accepted the decision of Nawaz becoming the PM and disagreed with dharna politics, even though I had voted for PTI. The democracy of the country must be preserved, it is the only way for long-term prosperity of our nation. If the people decide that Imran Khan should be the PM, good luck to him. However, it is not going to happen and I hope it doesn't.

Lol at you never go into hiding

I guess you wear Harry Potter's Invisibility Cloak in the numerous threads detailing Nawaz sharifs corruption and mess ups

 

[DRsohail]

Sir, Khan saab is unfit to be the PM. He has no maturity and vision. In fact, PTI will go nowhere in the long run with their three top honchos (Khan saab, SMQ and Tareen). Asad Umar is the only man of caliber in PTI, and I hope he becomes the Chairman one day. If he does, I will vote for PTI.

i strongly disagree... the alternatives from pmln are the worse,i do believe...ur view regarding asad umar is right though..

 

[Syed1]

I never go into hiding. However, as a responsible citizen of Pakistan, I will accept whatever my country decides on, even if I do not agree with the choice personally. Just like how I accepted the decision of Nawaz becoming the PM and disagreed with dharna politics, even though I had voted for PTI. The democracy of the country must be preserved, it is the only way for long-term prosperity of our nation. If the people decide that Imran Khan should be the PM, good luck to him. However, it is not going to happen and I hope it doesn't.

1. Democracy will be "preserved" but this is not democracy that we have in Pakistan. It is elected dictatorship which explains why Nawaz Sharif is going to be succeeded by his daughter and not some other leader who might be genuinely competent. You live in West now, I hope you realize that this is not how democracy works.

2. Everything has a cause and effect. In any democratic country if the opposition party is requesting voter count verification in just FOUR constituencies, the government would have complied or would have given a valid reason of why it opposes it. The opposition had to take to the dharna for A HUNDRED AND TWENTY-SIX days because the "democratic" government wasn't being very democratic.

3. Your chosing to support whichever party is your personal choice, but with PPP/PML-N at the helm don't expect the standard of health or education to go up in the country, or the law to apply equitably on all citizens or the reduction in corruption in the country.

 

[Mamoon]

Lol at you never go into hiding

I guess you wear Harry Potter's Invisibility Cloak in the numerous threads detailing Nawaz sharifs corruption and mess ups

I don't have to say anything on those matters. I'm not the jury and the facts are there for everyone to see.

 

[Varun]

Lol at you never go into hiding

I guess you wear Harry Potter's Invisibility Cloak in the numerous threads detailing Nawaz sharifs corruption and mess ups

Why does Mamoon always get bullied on this subject?

He is a registered voter in Pakistan and if it makes everyone happy - he voted for Imran Khan and his PTI party in the last elections.

Which is more than what we can say for many others over here.

 

[Mamoon]

1. Democracy will be "preserved" but this is not democracy that we have in Pakistan. It is elected dictatorship which explains why Nawaz Sharif is going to be succeeded by his daughter and not some other leader who might be genuinely competent. You live in West now, I hope you realize that this is not how democracy works.

If the people choose Maryam in the future, let them choose. This is what democracy is about, the majority has to prevail. Nawaz and Bhutto dynasties have done the country less harm than military coups. I am only in the West for 2-3 years, I am not interested in how things work here. I'm only concerned with my country.

2. Everything has a cause and effect. In any democratic country if the opposition party is requesting voter count verification in just FOUR constituencies, the government would have complied or would have given a valid reason of why it opposes it. The opposition had to take to the dharna for A HUNDRED AND TWENTY-SIX days because the "democratic" government wasn't being very democratic.

Imran should have started with his own party. The rigging was not a conspiracy against him but rather, it was systematic rigging. Even PTI members were caught rigging, but it was brushed under the carpet and PTI's own tribunal was sacked because they had exposed the PTI saints. That is where Imran lost credibility and showed his hypocrisy. Had he lead by example and dismissed the guilty members as well as the ones with the fake degrees, his opposition would have been taken seriously. Now he just comes across as a power hungry narcissist who will go to any lengths to get into power, including licking boots of Army.

3. Your chosing to support whichever party is your personal choice, but with PPP/PML-N at the helm don't expect the standard of health or education to go up in the country, or the law to apply equitably on all citizens or the reduction in corruption in the country.

These problems will not vanish into thin air if PTI comes into power, but if that is what the people believe in, let them vote for PTI next year. However, as I said before, we cannot dictate who the people should vote. That is not democracy.

 

[Mamoon]

Why does Mamoon always get bullied on this subject?

He is a registered voter in Pakistan and if it makes everyone happy - he voted for Imran Khan and his PTI party in the last elections.

Which is more than what we can say for many others over here.

I think we have to understand the psyche of the posters here. This is a cricket forum with cricket fanatics, and almost everyone here is supporting Imran Khan because they were his fans and he had the image of a great captain/leader. It is understandable though, Imran Khan is a politician today because he was a cricketer.

He has cashed his popularity. However, the fanatic support for PTI on this cricket forum is misleading. Almost everyone is a major PTI supporter here, but the reality in Pakistan is different. Sure he has a lot of supporters in real life as well, but he is not the most popular leader; he failed to win majority in 2013 and that is not going to change next year.

The problem with this immature politician is that he approaches politics with the same mindset. It is all a big cricket match for him with clear winners and losers, and of course he has to win. He suffers from Messiah Complex and believes that he is above law and constitution and the only one who can steer this country into the right direction. He won't stop unless he is installed as PM. Now we must pray that the Supreme Court's verdict is to his liking, or he is going to freeze the capital for the third time and stand atop his container for a month, before hitting a dead end and looking for an exit route and the cycle continues.

 

[Square Drive]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] even if you don't agree with Imran's politics, there are simply no better alternatives. PPP, PMLN have all been tried and have failed massively. Only fair to give PTI a chance now and see what they're made of.

It's a bit like selecting Fakhar Zaman. You may think he will struggle at international level, but hey, why not give him a go when your altenatives are all TTFs? And especially now that Nawaz is hopefully to suffer the same fate as Sharjeel.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] even if you don't agree with Imran's politics, there are simply no better alternatives. PPP, PMLN have all been tried and have failed massively. Only fair to give PTI a chance now and see what they're made of.

It's a bit like selecting Fakhar Zaman. You may think he will struggle at international level, but hey, why not give him a go when your altenatives are all TTFs? And especially now that Nawaz is hopefully to suffer the same fate as Sharjeel.

Lack of alternatives is a justified argument, but most of the PTI supporters will not stop short of selling him as the next Quaid who is the Saviour this country needs.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

As a politician i would give someone like Jibran Nasir my vote. One of the few sane voices in Pak.
As a party my vote is for PTI. The best amongst the worst.
In politics you have to give your vote. Either lead yourself, or vote for someone/party. If not both then don't complain.

 

[Square Drive]

Lack of alternatives is a justified argument, but most of the PTI supporters will not stop short of selling him as the next Quaid who is the Saviour this country needs.

While Imran is a great leader and I am a huge fan of his, it would definitely be wrong to say that as he does have his shortcomings.

However, since we can both agree that lack of alternatives is a justified argument, why then will you not give your vote to PTI? Which party do you deem to be better?

 

[Black Zero]

IK spent decades in politics, so he has earned a chance.
Let him achieve his personal glory and let Pakistan get their own Trump.

 

[Bewal Express]

IK spent decades in politics, so he has earned a chance.
Let him achieve his personal glory and let Pakistan get their own Trump.

IK has achieved more in KP in 3.5 years than the Nooras have achieved in 30. Just read up on what the retiring Police chief said yesterday or the 800mn trees planted in KP, to name a few of the achievements. You are scared that he may show up your stupidity. BTW are you the same guy that used to defend AZ and PPP?

 

[Syed1]

IK has achieved more in KP in 3.5 years than the Nooras have achieved in 30. Just read up on what the retiring Police chief said yesterday or the 800mn trees planted in KP, to name a few of the achievements. You are scared that he may show up your stupidity. BTW are you the same guy that used to defend AZ and PPP?

Mar gayi awaam bhooki piyaasi leken koi masla nahi Bhutto tou zinda hai. Jaeey Bhuttooo

 

[Mamoon]

While Imran is a great leader and I am a huge fan of his, it would definitely be wrong to say that as he does have his shortcomings.

However, since we can both agree that lack of alternatives is a justified argument, why then will you not give your vote to PTI? Which party do you deem to be better?

It is a dilemma for me and I need to decide soon. Not voting would be the easy option but as I have always said, when you don't vote, you lose the right to complain.

 

[Square Drive]

It is a dilemma for me and I need to decide soon. Not voting would be the easy option but as I have always said, when you don't vote, you lose the right to complain.

No, you should definitely vote and tbh, I don't think there is a better option than Imran right now, even with an unbiased view.

Which other option is there to even consider at this point?

 

[Rayyman]

It is a dilemma for me and I need to decide soon. Not voting would be the easy option but as I have always said, when you don't vote, you lose the right to complain.

I had the same dilemma voting for U.S. president, but decided to go for Clinton b/c she was the lesser of the two evils.

 

[corneredtiger85292]

InshAllah Imran Khan will never become the PM of Pakistan.

Looking forward to seeing you on here when he does.

 

[pakistani pride]

I think we have to understand the psyche of the posters here. This is a cricket forum with cricket fanatics, and almost everyone here is supporting Imran Khan because they were his fans and he had the image of a great captain/leader. It is understandable though, Imran Khan is a politician today because he was a cricketer.

He has cashed his popularity. However, the fanatic support for PTI on this cricket forum is misleading. Almost everyone is a major PTI supporter here, but the reality in Pakistan is different. Sure he has a lot of supporters in real life as well, but he is not the most popular leader; he failed to win majority in 2013 and that is not going to change next year.

The problem with this immature politician is that he approaches politics with the same mindset. It is all a big cricket match for him with clear winners and losers, and of course he has to win. He suffers from Messiah Complex and believes that he is above law and constitution and the only one who can steer this country into the right direction. He won't stop unless he is installed as PM. Now we must pray that the Supreme Court's verdict is to his liking, or he is going to freeze the capital for the third time and stand atop his container for a month, before hitting a dead end and looking for an exit route and the cycle continues.

You can write and post a million things fact is: its for all to see that the TTFs need to go.

He cant do worse then then the current bunch.

 

[Slog]

I don't have to say anything on those matters. I'm not the jury and the facts are there for everyone to see.

'Course you don't have anything to say on those matters

 

[Slog]

Looking forward to seeing you on here when he does.

I take issue with your signature btw.

 

[corneredtiger85292]

I take issue with your signature btw.

Yeah? Which part ?

 

[Syed1]

Yeah? Which part ?

There is a big chunk of people you are missing

 

[Slog]

Yeah? Which part ?

What makes you recognise four ethnic groups in Pakistan but not others like Hazaras, Kashmiris, Seraikis etc?

Are these four ethnic groups more Pakistanis than others?

Either one should totally disregard all ethnic lines and say we are all Pakistanis and Pakistanis only or all ethnic groups in the country should be recognised. What you are doing is blatantly wrong and promotes discontent and discrimination

 

[proud_pakistani]

If courts take some decision against PML-N with respect to Panama Papers PTI will clean sweep elections. But since the courts are scared to take any decision most likely PML-N will take it. PTI will again keep KPK and that will be it.

 

[corneredtiger85292]

What makes you recognise four ethnic groups in Pakistan but not others like Hazaras, Kashmiris, Seraikis etc?

Are these four ethnic groups more Pakistanis than others?

Either one should totally disregard all ethnic lines and say we are all Pakistanis and Pakistanis only or all ethnic groups in the country should be recognised. What you are doing is blatantly wrong and promotes discontent and discrimination

Lol. The idea behind my signature is to promote unity. By saying if we recognise ourselves by our ethnicities first and then as Pakistanis we are doing a great injustice to ourselves, we are all Pakistanis first regardless of which provience, ethnicity or religion we are from. United we stand divided we fall.

Iv had the same signature since I joined PP and never had anyone misunderstand it like you. If the Admin find it inappropriate I will gladly change it but I certainly will not take being called discriminatory and be accused of promoting discontent by you.

 

[Slog]

Lol. The idea behind my signature is to promote unity. By saying if we recognise ourselves by our ethnicities first and then as Pakistanis we are doing a great injustice to ourselves, we are all Pakistanis first regardless of which provience, ethnicity or religion we are from. United we stand divided we fall.

Iv had the same signature since I joined PP and never had anyone misunderstand it like you. If the Admin find it inappropriate I will gladly change it but I certainly will not take being called discriminatory and be accused of promoting discontent by you.

No Im just curious

What made it worthy for these 4 ethnicities to make your signature and not the ones Ive mentioned?

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

No Im just curious

What made it worthy for these 4 ethnicities to make your signature and not the ones Ive mentioned?

May be because the 4 provinces are named on these ethnicities too ?
Sindh, Punjab, Balochistan, Pakhtunkhwaa.

He is not alone.. There was a famous song back in the 90s:
"Sindhi ham , Balochi ham, Punjabi ham, Pathan ham, Is paracham k necchay ..... "
The cncept was to show a united Pakistan.

 

[Slog]

May be because the 4 provinces are named on these ethnicities too ?
Sindh, Punjab, Balochistan, Pakhtunkhwaa.

He is not alone.. There was a famous song back in the 90s:
"Sindhi ham , Balochi ham, Punjabi ham, Pathan ham, Is paracham k necchay ..... "
The cncept was to show a united Pakistan.

That was very controversial song as well

Also back then KP was called NWFP anyway so how did Pathan come in the song then?

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

That was very controversial song as well

Also back then KP was called NWFP anyway so how did Pathan come in the song then?

Maybe because Pathans were the majority population in NWFP.
Yeah you can call the song as controversial.

Btw I am from Islamabad and when I was young it was a common thing. Even teachers sometimes used it
"Bachun ham Punjabi, Sindhi, Balcohi, Pathan nahi ham Pakistani hain. Sab sai phlai Pakistan etc" to show concept of unity and Pakistan comes first. Even in discussions between friends these 4 ethnicities were used. When we grew up now people are more reserve and use statements like "Pakistan k sab rhnay walay" etc.

 

[Waseem]

As a politician i would give someone like Jibran Nasir my vote. One of the few sane voices in Pak.
As a party my vote is for PTI. The best amongst the worst.
In politics you have to give your vote. Either lead yourself, or vote for someone/party. If not both then don't complain.

Yeah i like Jibran Nasir as well, very balanced individual. We need more liberals like him but instead we have some really confused liberals. I agree with your approach as well, you have to support the better option which does not necessarily mean THE best/ideal option. If you are not satisfied with current options then either lead yourself or stop complaining.

 

[shaz619]

Shane MeekMan

 

[Waseem]

I personally don't think Panama case will make MASSIVE difference to 2018 election results, it will make massive difference to reputation of Sharifs but unfortunately bad reputation is not enough to make people vote for alternative options. PMLN masters the art of manipulation so they will easily limit the loss post Panama verdict by playing the victim card, media management, fancy projects etc

If Nawaz & Maryam are disqualified and only options for PM is Shahbaz Sharif then this may make things interesting as Nawaz would hate to give up all his powers to Shahbaz and family as Hamza is being trained to become Punjab CM already.

 

[corneredtiger85292]

No Im just curious

What made it worthy for these 4 ethnicities to make your signature and not the ones Ive mentioned?

RE the poster SarfiBabarHaris 's post below this one. I had that song in mind plus I was just basing it off the 4 provinces of Pakistan. I assume that's what everyone else thinks when reading my signature. Bar you

 

[corneredtiger85292]

May be because the 4 provinces are named on these ethnicities too ?
Sindh, Punjab, Balochistan, Pakhtunkhwaa.

He is not alone.. There was a famous song back in the 90s:
"Sindhi ham , Balochi ham, Punjabi ham, Pathan ham, Is paracham k necchay ..... "
The cncept was to show a united Pakistan.

Exactly as you stated mate. Was based on the song plus I had Pakistan's 4 provinces in mind. If you reckon it's inappropriate i'd be happy to change it but i'd never do anything discriminatory etc on purpose that's for sure!

 

[ExpressPacer]

The unfortunate reality is no matter how much we talk about this, PTI or any other party has no chance of winning the next elections and maybe the ones after that too. Pakistan only poses a simulacrum of democracy. This is more of a dictatorship. They will rig the elections like no tomorrow and will blow PTI out of the contest. To add to that, the uneducated and illiterate population of Pakistan like being treated like slaves and worship the feudal lords.

PMLN has done enough by investing a lot in stupid roads that weren't even needed in big cities like Lahore and Islamabad to please the stupid people who will continue to vote for them despite failing to fulfill major promises like no more electricity cuts.

Other than that, Karachi will continue to vote for MQM because of Altaf Bhai. The rest of Sindh will be obvious puppets of PPP because Bhutto Zinda Hai and Marsu Marsu Sindh Na Desu while people of Balochistan will be completely oblivious to the fact that elections are even going on because the Bugti's don't even let them get basic education and force them to live in the stone-age. Even KPK will not vote for Imran Khan, unfortunately because they will go for Pakhtun Nationalist party ANP. Like I said, Pakistani's love their feudal landlords because they are of the same region and caste and will be happy being treated like dogs by their own people instead of being given honor and respect by someone of another cult.

Pakistan is a country summed up of different nations and people and even if all them decide to collectively vote for one man (IK), he will still lose because of the corruption.

If you think there's light at the end of the tunnel, then you're just being nonchalant, ignorant and over-optimistic. This will always be the reality and PMLN or PPP will always dominate politics in Pakistan and continue with their corruption.

 

[corneredtiger85292]

The unfortunate reality is no matter how much we talk about this, PTI or any other party has no chance of winning the next elections and maybe the ones after that too. Pakistan only poses a simulacrum of democracy. This is more of a dictatorship. They will rig the elections like no tomorrow and will blow PTI out of the contest. To add to that, the uneducated and illiterate population of Pakistan like being treated like slaves and worship the feudal lords.

PMLN has done enough by investing a lot in stupid roads that weren't even needed in big cities like Lahore and Islamabad to please the stupid people who will continue to vote for them despite failing to fulfill major promises like no more electricity cuts.

Other than that, Karachi will continue to vote for MQM because of Altaf Bhai. The rest of Sindh will be obvious puppets of PPP because Bhutto Zinda Hai and Marsu Marsu Sindh Na Desu while people of Balochistan will be completely oblivious to the fact that elections are even going on because the Bugti's don't even let them get basic education and force them to live in the stone-age. Even KPK will not vote for Imran Khan, unfortunately because they will go for Pakhtun Nationalist party ANP. Like I said, Pakistani's love their feudal landlords because they are of the same region and caste and will be happy being treated like dogs by their own people instead of being given honor and respect by someone of another cult.

Pakistan is a country summed up of different nations and people and even if all them decide to collectively vote for one man (IK), he will still lose because of the corruption.

If you think there's light at the end of the tunnel, then you're just being nonchalant, ignorant and over-optimistic. This will always be the reality and PMLN or PPP will always dominate politics in Pakistan and continue with their corruption.

Quite a depressing analysis and the sad truth is you are probably right. I for one though, am hopeful

 

[ExpressPacer]

Quite a depressing analysis and the sad truth is you are probably right. I for one though, am hopeful

I wish I could be as optimistic as you. And you know what, being hopeful isn't a bad choice, it is hope and vision that powers revolution.

I love your description thing, "Alone we are Pathan, Punjabi, Sindhi and Balochi...together we are Pakistan". That's so true. However, unfortunately, nobody wants to be collectively Pakistani. Like I said in my previous post, Sindhi's vote for PPP and Zardari is never shy of talking about Sindhudesh. Altaf Hussain, the leading politician of Karachi whilst living in UK every so often threatens to exclude Karachi of Pakistan. KPK will easily take Pakhtunistan, a country just for Pashtuns instead of being Pakistani and Balochistan sends chills down my spine even to the mere thought. They even have a liberation army and because of funding from You Know Who, it is the inevitable reality that they will be first to gain independence.

(I hope I'm wrong tho)

 

[Syed1]

I wish I could be as optimistic as you. And you know what, being hopeful isn't a bad choice, it is hope and vision that powers revolution.

I love your description thing, "Alone we are Pathan, Punjabi, Sindhi and Balochi...together we are Pakistan". That's so true. However, unfortunately, nobody wants to be collectively Pakistani. Like I said in my previous post, Sindhi's vote for PPP and Zardari is never shy of talking about Sindhudesh. Altaf Hussain, the leading politician of Karachi whilst living in UK every so often threatens to exclude Karachi of Pakistan. KPK will easily take Pakhtunistan, a country just for Pashtuns instead of being Pakistani and Balochistan sends chills down my spine even to the mere thought. They even have a liberation army and because of funding from You Know Who, it is the inevitable reality that they will be first to gain independence.

(I hope I'm wrong tho)

I agree with the general gist of your post and the previous one as well. However, one slight deviation, Altaf Hussian is no longer revered as some leader in Karachi. I personally have people on my Facebook list, educated people, who were lifetime voters of MQM (and Altaf by extension) because of the work it does in Karachi but after the anti-Pakistan statements by Altaf even they were like we will no longer support MQM if it continues to have Altaf as its leader. This also explains why MQM had to "dissociate" itself from Altaf and create a MQM-Pakistan which apparently has no connection with Altaf, since they were losing support FAST.

I fully expect MQM to lose their majority in the next elections if parties like PSP and PTI play their cards right. PTI already wins from affluent areas of the city (Defense and Clifton) but need more middle class penetration.


That being said, the slaves of interior Sindh will still vote for PPP if Zardari personally knocks on each of their houses and tells them he will steal every single penny they have. Such is the loyalty of those folks. My uncle who owns some farm land in interior Sindh was telling me of how before the 2013 elections he was talking to one of his managers who was cursing PPP in the worst possible day and the next day the same guy went and voted for PPP. How can you even expect to break this sort of loyalty??


Same with Punjab and Muslim League.

The less said about Baluchistan the better, as you aptly put the people wouldn't even know elections are going on.


The only province that has a habit of voting on merit is the KPK. They have no qualms in voting out a party if they do not meet the required governance standard. Also PTI is all set to retake the province and this time with even greater majority.