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Who won't be in the Pakistan ODI team post 2019 World Cup, and who will replace them?

What will happen after Pak get knocked out of the CWC19?

Let's be honest pak have been knocked out. They can't win against ind and NZ.
They need to win all 5 matches because tomorrow's match (ind vs nz) will be washed out so the extra point which pak had over nz will be nullified and nz's net run rate is miles ahead of pak's. It's an easy road ahead for aus and eng, ind are pretty much in the semis. If even one match gets washed out pak can't make the semis.

What changes do you expect will happen after Pakistan get knocked out?

Will sarfaraz/malik/hafeez continue??
Who will be the new captain?? Etc.
 
Same thing that happened after each World Cup we've had - Nothing substantial
 
Don't loose hope already. The way things are going, lots of washout will happen. You never know
 
Hafeez has definitely improved but i doubt he will be part of the team in 2020. Asif Ali can be a part if he improves. Then, we need a proper spinner to replace Imad Wasim(Zafar Gohar?).

Since Sharjeel Khan will return in August, it will be interesting to see how the team looks.
 
Hope and delusion are two different things.

Pessimism isn’t a good quality either. What a bunch of sad people here. Being a Pakistani fan requires serious mental toughness, you should’ve figured it out already.
 
Pessimism isn’t a good quality either. What a bunch of sad people here. Being a Pakistani fan requires serious mental toughness, you should’ve figured it out already.

Are you alright??
Have you not been following my posts recently??
Probably not.

I was one of the only people who was saying after pak's loss against wi that we can win against eng.
[MENTION=147429]Chokli[/MENTION] was calling me delusional for saying so.
Today I realised that we're too inconsistent for this tournament.
No need to have false expectations.
 
Are you alright??
Have you not been following my posts recently??
Probably not.

I was one of the only people who was saying after pak's loss against wi that we can win against eng.
[MENTION=147429]Chokli[/MENTION] was calling me delusional for saying so.
Today I realised that we're too inconsistent for this tournament.
No need to have false expectations.

Best way to keep yourself from being disappointed is to not have any expectations at all
 
Are you alright??
Have you not been following my posts recently??
Probably not.

I was one of the only people who was saying after pak's loss against wi that we can win against eng.
[MENTION=147429]Chokli[/MENTION] was calling me delusional for saying so.
Today I realised that we're too inconsistent for this tournament.
No need to have false expectations.

No sorry, i haven’t seen your previous posts. My assumptions about you are based on the comments on this thread.
 
Even if we win the WC we need to get rid of Malik, Hafeez and Wahab. Play more ODI matches work on batting all rounders and include some big hitters
 
Even if we win the WC we need to get rid of Malik, Hafeez and Wahab. Play more ODI matches work on batting all rounders and include some big hitters

Wahab looks fine but we can only keep him for some time since he is getting older.

We need to properly groom youngsters like Shaheen and Hasnain.

Zafar Gohar and Umer Khan get a chance.
 
I want them to get rid of bits and pieces like malik imad asif hafeez.
I know hafeez has played well so far but hes far too inconsistent and is a king of soft dismissals. Hes not a proper no. 4 because his inings are short.
Bring in zafar , saud ,umer khan and batsmen who love to play long innings in domestics
 
Pessimism isn’t a good quality either. What a bunch of sad people here. Being a Pakistani fan requires serious mental toughness, you should’ve figured it out already.

Don't equate mental toughness with delusion. You can only afford to be mentally tough for so long, not your entire lifetime.

Get rid of the boat load of failures and dump Sarfraz first
 
Don't equate mental toughness with delusion. You can only afford to be mentally tough for so long, not your entire lifetime.

Get rid of the boat load of failures and dump Sarfraz first

I’m not deluded though. I know that we aren’t the best, i just choose not to make pessimistic predictions like a lot of people on here.
 
First task from 01 August 2019 - slash the average age of the squad by at least 5 years, if not 7. That'll make the squad at peak age by the time 2023 WC.

So - 1. as few players as possible over official 29 years of age. May be only Fakhar should be in plan for 2023 (Though I am certain in next 2-3 years, he'll fade away for his declining eyesight & reflex). Dump MoHa, Malik, Imad, Wahab, JK, Sarfraz, Haris ..... Amir would have been in that list as well, but officially he is only 27 - still can play 2 more WCs.

2. Pick a new Captain & deputy, and FGS, please make one who would be (at least expected to) make playing XI on merit still in 2023.

3. Pick/groom players for the expected conditions of 2023 - that's couple of proper spinners for India, if they can bat, it's bonus, but pick them for their 20 overs of genuine spin bowling. They spent 2 years behind Faheem and put all eggs in 2 spin all-rounders basket. Now, in this WC, Faheem isn't selected and by 3rd game both spinners are dropped - someone needs to be criminally charged for this.

4. Need to find at least 1 express pacer, who can reach 150K+. On Indian grounds, instead of 135K length-line pacer won't work.

5. It's a must that PCB appoint someone who can groom pacers to bowl with new ball. No matter what the track offers, a genuine new ball pacer should be able to extract something in first spell.
 
Who won't be in the Pakistan ODI team post World Cup, and who will replace them?

Planning for the next World Cup starts right after this one is over. Who won't be a part of the one day setup after this tournament is over? My choices:

Shoaib Malik: Why? Well obviously retirement, even if he wasn't going to retire there's no way we would put up with his mediocrity for another 4 years.

Mohammad Hafeez: Don't know about his plans, if he's going to retire or not but he should be prepared to play these next games as his last few. We will not carry him for 4 years.

Sarfraz Ahmed: Simply not good enough, neither as a player, and definitely not as a captain. His wicket keeping has been terrible, batting has been mediocre.

Wahab Riaz: Not a terrible player, but he will be too old in the next World Cup, but I do feel he'll be in the team for the WT20 next year.

Asif Ali: I feel the Asif Ali experiment is over. He is not good enough for ODI cricket in my opinion. Less said about his fielding the better

Imad Wasim: Unfit bits and pieces player. I don't think I need to explain much. He is not good enough to be in the team based on any facet of the game.

The fate of Hasan Ali is unknown, I think he will be around the team for the next year but if he doesn't start performing soon, we may not see him in the next World Cup.

This is the XI I'd go with post World Cup(keep in my mind I don't have great knowledge of domestic players):

Fakhar (C)
Imam
Babar
Haris
Rizwan/ Any young keeper
Khushdil Shah
Pace All Rounder/Big Hitter
Shadab
Shaheen Afridi/Umer Khan/Zafar Gohar/Hasan Ali
Haris Rauf
Mohammad Amir

Fakhar as captain because he has experience in domestic games, and at least actually merits a spot in the team. I know a selection for Zafar Gohar is very hopeful as the PCB seems to have something against him. Rizwan as keeper because I don't have a better suggestion, maybe that Rohail Nazir kid but it would be pretty unfair to just throw a 17 year old kid into bat against 145+ international pacers. I don;t know much about Khushdil Shah but he did play well in the Pakistan Cup, so he's worth a try. I am very sure Haris Rauf will be included, and he deserves it, he bowled pretty well in the Pakistan Cup on very flat pitches. The only spot I cannot fill is the #7 position.

Feel free to suggest any players as I don't know a whole lot about domestic players.
 
1.Imam Ul Haq (c)
2.Shan Masood
3.Babar Azam
4.Umar Akmal
5.Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
6.Khushdil Shah
7.Aamir Yamin
8.Shadab Khan
9.Umer Khan
10.Mohammad Amir (VC)
11.Mohammad Musa
 
1.Imam Ul Haq (c)
2.Shan Masood
3.Babar Azam
4.Umar Akmal
5.Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
6.Khushdil Shah
7.Aamir Yamin
8.Shadab Khan
9.Umer Khan
10.Mohammad Amir (VC)
11.Mohammad Musa

Umar Akmal:))

No Shaheen or Haris Rauf? On what merit do we select Musa. Why is Fakhar gone?
 
Umar Akmal:))

No Shaheen or Haris Rauf? On what merit do we select Musa. Why is Fakhar gone?

Umar Akmal is needed.

Shaheen needs work.

And I forgot about Haris, he comes in for Musa.

Fakhar is too hit or miss for a team like Pakistan.
 
Umar Akmal is needed.

Shaheen needs work.

And I forgot about Haris, he comes in for Musa.

Fakhar is too hit or miss for a team like Pakistan.

I'm not even going to argue about Umar.

Sure Fakhar is hit or miss, but we need a player like him. With Masood and Imam at the top, be prepared for 40 runs after 10 overs every game.
 
Want to see Saud Shakeel, Saif Badar, Khushdil Shah, Umer Khan and Haris Rauf in the mix.
 
I'm not even going to argue about Umar.

Sure Fakhar is hit or miss, but we need a player like him. With Masood and Imam at the top, be prepared for 40 runs after 10 overs every game.

That's fine; we have Khushdil and Aamir Yamin.

It's about laying a platform.

Too many people have been under the impression you need to go all out guns blazing.

No, have targets in mind and have a proper plan in mind.
 
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My ODI team but that will never happen in Pakistan...
Sharjeel Khan
Zeeshan Malik
Babar Azam
Saif Badar
Saud Shakeel
Khushdil Shah(wk)
Husain Talat
Mohammad Amir
Haris Rauf
Umer Khan
Mohammad Musa


...........reserves........
Mohammad Hasnain
Agha Salman
Rohail Nazir
Zafar Gowhar
 
1. Imam
2. Sharjeel Khan
3. Babar
4. Rizwan (WK) (or Rohail from U19 team could be groomed here)
5.Saud Shakeel / Saad Ali
6. Khushdil Shah
7. Aamer Yamin
8. Zafar Gohar
9. Amir
10. Haris Rauf
11. Shaheen Afridi
 
Also I'd like to add:

Umer Khan should not be selected, he's too raw and could just be a PSL hack. Domestic performers MUST BE PICKED. If Umer plays at least a season of FC cricket and does well, then pick him. For now I'd must rather have Zafar.

I know our domestic system isn't good but the fact is that we pick only PSL hacks who aren't domestic performers. I am sure if we selected domestic players on merit we'd have better results.
 
Untouchables (who I believe must always be around the squad):

Imam Ul Haq
Babar Azam
Shadab Khan
Mohammad Amir
Shaheen Afridi
Mohammad Rizwan

Domestic performers (must be tested):

Saud Shakeel
Khushdil Shah
Zeeshan Malik
Haris Rauf
Umer Khan
Qaiser Ashraf (has a top record SLA)

Wildcard options (take a risk):

Haris Sohail (will be 34 by next WC)
Mohammad Nawaz
Faheem Ashraf (if he performs in domestic)

Playing XI:

Imam Ul Haq
Babar Azam
Saud Shakeel
Haris Sohail
Mohammad Rizwan
Khushdil Shah
Big hitting All Rounder -
Shadab Khan
Mohammad Amir
Haris Rauf
Shaheen Afridi/Qaiser Ashraf/Umer Khan... Depending on the pitch.

Captaincy I would give to Imam or Babar, Imam has the temperament for it whereas Babar has the brains.

Babar Azam must transition into an opener now he is brilliant at playing the gaps in the powerplay and we must utilise his potential.

Ofcourse in this team there are some weak links such as Haris, Khushdil or Saud but we will hopefully find some more solid batsmen and some good spinners.
 
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Whoever is writing shan masood, have you guys seen him bat apart from that one series in SA he has been worse than anyone including malik in the current squad
 
lol some of you gonna drop Fakhar who averages 50+ and is a gun fielder

Come on guys you can’t develop stars in this fashion...Fakhar is a hard worker and will continue to improve

I think one thing looks certain Imam gets captaincy...I just hope they don’t hand it to an already timid Babar
 
Some guys want saif badars zeeshan maliks
These are not world beaters we cant change the team completly
Trust me as i say this pak team is full of world beaters it just needs a performing leader that merits a place .
Haris fakhar imam babar shadab hasan shaheen amir wahab are all world class players but mental block gets to them they will be more mentally tough as they play.
 
Untouchables (who I believe must always be around the squad):

Imam Ul Haq
Babar Azam
Shadab Khan
Mohammad Amir
Shaheen Afridi
Mohammad Rizwan

Domestic performers (must be tested):

Saud Shakeel
Khushdil Shah
Zeeshan Malik
Haris Rauf
Umer Khan
Qaiser Ashraf (has a top record SLA)

Wildcard options (take a risk):

Haris Sohail (will be 34 by next WC)
Mohammad Nawaz
Faheem Ashraf (if he performs in domestic)

Playing XI:

Imam Ul Haq
Babar Azam
Saud Shakeel
Haris Sohail
Mohammad Rizwan
Khushdil Shah
Big hitting All Rounder -
Shadab Khan
Mohammad Amir
Haris Rauf
Shaheen Afridi/Qaiser Ashraf/Umer Khan... Depending on the pitch.

Captaincy I would give to Imam or Babar, Imam has the temperament for it whereas Babar has the brains.

Babar Azam must transition into an opener now he is brilliant at playing the gaps in the powerplay and we must utilise his potential.

Ofcourse in this team there are some weak links such as Haris, Khushdil or Saud but we will hopefully find some more solid batsmen and some good spinners.

Great list but I'd say consider Aamer Yamin for the hitting all roudner role, and take Zafar instead.
 
Imam and shaheen won't be there. Umar akmal and Junaid will replace them as per PCB trend goes
 
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I think we need to make bowler a captain, we have always done better with bowler at helm. The problem is there is no bowler who can become captain, Amir is playing well but somehow he doesn't seems to be captain material to me, plus he has his baggage with him.
 
Malik and hafeez should retire.
Sarfaraz ideally should also retire but he won't he's just not good enough WK-batsman for modern times .. Pakistan should find a young talent and groom him properly.
Wahab probably can also focus on t20s since he won't play next WC.

Rest are fine and will stay. Some will be in and out of team for next few years but won't retire
 
Sharjeel Khan
Imam
Babar
Saud Shakeel/ Haris Sohail
Rohail Nazir (wk)
Khushdil Shah
Shadab Khan
Aamer Yamin
Mohammad Aamir (C)
Hasnain
Haris Rauf
 
Malik and hafeez should retire.
Sarfaraz ideally should also retire but he won't he's just not good enough WK-batsman for modern times .. Pakistan should find a young talent and groom him properly.
Wahab probably can also focus on t20s since he won't play next WC.

Rest are fine and will stay. Some will be in and out of team for next few years but won't retire

Rohail Nazir is one of the best U19 WK-batsman in the World. Very fit guy. He scored 320 runs in 5 matches against SL recently, averaging 65 and scored 100 runs more than no.2 on the list.
 
Babar and Shadab as Captain and Vice Captain respectively.
Rizwan as Wicket Keeper
Sharjeel replacing Fakhar. :hasan
 
Rohail Nazir is one of the best U19 WK-batsman in the World. Very fit guy. He scored 320 runs in 5 matches against SL recently, averaging 65 and scored 100 runs more than no.2 on the list.

Sounds promising should groom him for next 2 years take him to bilaterals and let him watch and learn.
 
Umar Akmal....lolllllllll

I hope this is the end of Mohammad Hafeez, Shoaib Malik. The only players in the world who debut in late 90's early 00's that are still core players.

Hussain Talat, Saud Shakeel, Saad Ali, Khushdil Shah, Amaad Butt, Mohammad Musa, Umer Khan, Zafar Gohar should be given a look...(..what happened to Kamran Ghulam)..
 
Inzy Azhar imam malik hafeez sarfraz imad asif Close the door on your way out.
 
Team after the World Cup?

So after the painful lost yesterday, our chances has decreased going in to the Semi's. I hope we still make it somehow Inshallah and can bring the trophy home,but it's inevitable some of the players or player (hopefully Hafeez,) will retire. We know Malik is retiring though 5 years late plus costing us the game yesterday. (Playing a heavy part in the lose).

We know some of the players are just not good enough. Asif Ali, Imad, Sarfraz (he hasn't been too bad to be honest, but don't see him lasting till next work cup).

After this world cup he need to start and built a new team it's as simple as that build the team around Babar and Imam.



1 .Babar ( He has to open can take advantage of the powerplay)
2. Imam
3. Saud Shakeel - Like haris but i don't know if he will be fit enough
4. for no. 4 i am struggling want someone who is aggressive and can clear the boundary. Saif Badar maybe, but don't think they will pick him.
5. Rizwan
6. No clue
7. Time to give someone like Amad Butt or Amir Yamin a go.
8. Shadab
9. Shaheen
10. Dont think wahab can play next work cup as well as amir. Plus hasan needs to improve he's been awful lately
11. A genuine spinner since the next world cup is in India.

Plus our bench should not contain a player who's over 27.

What do you guys think?
 
I think Fakhar should lead in all the formats, as his FC batting record is decent when you compare it with other players in the domestic pool. He deserves to be selected in all formats, on merit. Babar is another contender, but his FC batting record is mediocre. Fakhar should be the captain till 2023 WC. Rizwan should definitely replace Sarfraz in the ODI and Test formats. Sarfraz should captain till the 2020 T20I WC, and then hand over the reigns to Fakhar.
 
I think Fakhar should lead in all the formats, as his FC batting record is decent when you compare it with other players in the domestic pool. He deserves to be selected in all formats, on merit. Babar is another contender, but his FC batting record is mediocre. Fakhar should be the captain till 2023 WC. Rizwan should definitely replace Sarfraz in the ODI and Test formats. Sarfraz should captain till the 2020 T20I WC, and then hand over the reigns to Fakhar.

No Fakhar shouldn't play test he was horrible against South Africa, he can get away with his technique in UAE pitches but not abroad. I don't mind him in Odi's. But i think it's time to give Babar the responsibly after the world cup.
 
I've said this time and time again that Pakistan cricket is an endless revolving door. At the moment I don't see anyone who's got the cricketing brain to be a better captain that Sarfraz. Neither do I see a better keeper/batsman than Sarfraz. I don't see a better fast bowler than Wahab and there are no better middle order batsmen than the likes of Hafeez. If there were these players would not be playing as long as they are. It's simple, when we bring in youngsters they don't grab their opportunity and don't show consistentcy . In fact they show complacency (Shaheen and Hassan for example). Huge difference between our players and the Indians. Mentally our nation is weak.
 
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No Fakhar shouldn't play test he was horrible against South Africa, he can get away with his technique in UAE pitches but not abroad. I don't mind him in Odi's. But i think it's time to give Babar the responsibly after the world cup.

No one has a perfect technique. This technique thing feels out dated. Babar has a poor record compared to Fakhar in FC cricket, I won't support it.
 
I've said this time and time again that Pakistan cricket is endless revolving door. At the moment I don't see anyone who's got the cricketing brain to be a better captain that Sarfraz at the moment. Neither do I see a better keeper/batsman than Sarfraz. I don't see a better fast bowler than Wahab and there are no better middle order batsmen than the likes of Hafeez. If there were they would not be playing as long as they are. It's simple, when we bring in youngsters they don't grab their opportunity and don't show consistentsy. In fact they show complacency (Shaheen and Hassan for example). Huge difference between our players and the Indians. Mentally our nation is weak.

Rizwan showed how he has got more potential than Sarfraz. Wahab is a rubbish ODI bowler, should never have been called up for the WC. We need to move on from old players. There are few options in domestic cricket.
 
I've said this time and time again that Pakistan cricket is endless revolving door. At the moment I don't see anyone who's got the cricketing brain to be a better captain that Sarfraz at the moment. Neither do I see a better keeper/batsman than Sarfraz. I don't see a better fast bowler than Wahab and there are no better middle order batsmen than the likes of Hafeez. If there were they would not be playing as long as they are. It's simple, when we bring in youngsters they don't grab their opportunity and don't show consistentsy. In fact they show complacency (Shaheen and Hassan for example). Huge difference between our players and the Indians. Mentally our nation is weak.

Shaheen is young and has performed well, as a member yesterday mentiond he feels pain when bowling which the PCB must look at. The same was said about Babar and Imam, look where they are now. If you can give 300 odd games to shamless failures like Malik, then there is no harm giving them to a youngster.

Plus if we don't have upcoming youngsters ( which i believe we do) it doesn't mean you play with the likes of Malik, you really think we don't have a young batsmen who can replicate his performances if so, then we should close everything and say good bye to our cricket.

Rizwan is far better batsmen and wicket keeper then Sarfraz which we have seen in the Australia series. Plus the u19 captain Rohail Nazir looks pretty decent. It's not about we don't have players it's more about we don't want to test new player. Sarfraz with his atrocious fitness will not last till next world cup as well as harris as good as he is.

Wahab can play this world cup but he's surely not along term solution. He's been an average bowler at best, you are talking as if he's a world class bowler. He's been pathetic pretty much all his career.
 
Rizwan has shown nothing more than Sarfraz. Other than the fact he is more agile as a keeper. Hus batting is pretty much on par with sarfraz and I'd say his keeping is probably the same too.

There are NO options in the domestic circuit. NONE. That's why these old players are carrying on.
 
No one has a perfect technique. This technique thing feels out dated. Babar has a poor record compared to Fakhar in FC cricket, I won't support it.

Yes, but imam and Shan are better test opener then him, i have no problem with Fakhar in odi's and t20. You can't get out the way fakhar did against south africa, plus we clearly saw him struggling with a test line in the odi series against England.
 
Rizwan has shown nothing more than Sarfraz. Other than the fact he is more agile as a keeper. Hus batting is pretty much on par with sarfraz and I'd say his keeping is probably the same too.

There are NO options in the domestic circuit. NONE. That's why these old players are carrying on.

Rizwan scored more centuries then sarfarz in 1 series then sarfraz has in 3 years. His keeping is much better then Sarfraz.
 
Rizwan has shown nothing more than Sarfraz. Other than the fact he is more agile as a keeper. Hus batting is pretty much on par with sarfraz and I'd say his keeping is probably the same too.

There are NO options in the domestic circuit. NONE. That's why these old players are carrying on.

You ignored Malik, Wahab, Asif Ali you think we can't replace them.
 
Malik and Hafeez to retire.

Sarfaraz no longer captain, fights with Riz for the keeping spot.

Imam to captain...take a bold step.

Hasan Ali dropped.

Haris? Asif? not sure, dont have replacements yet.

Blood an off spinner.

Blood a batting all rounder who can seam like Razzaq or IK.

Plenty to do...
 
I've said this time and time again that Pakistan cricket is an endless revolving door. At the moment I don't see anyone who's got the cricketing brain to be a better captain that Sarfraz. Neither do I see a better keeper/batsman than Sarfraz. I don't see a better fast bowler than Wahab and there are no better middle order batsmen than the likes of Hafeez. If there were these players would not be playing as long as they are. It's simple, when we bring in youngsters they don't grab their opportunity and don't show consistentcy . In fact they show complacency (Shaheen and Hassan for example). Huge difference between our players and the Indians. Mentally our nation is weak.

its not mental. Its skills. Our domestic cricket is shattered and destroyed thanks to the mismanagement of the last ten years. We need about three years of the new system to run for us to get some new players in. i fear the next world cup will be too early. i think 8 years is when you will see some new good players. In the meantime we have to make do.

I think we should make sarfi cuptaan for the next four years and end any speculation regarding the cuptaany. There is nobody who can replace him. We cant give it to a young captain as they don't have the ability to do it. Captaining a international team is not easy and this is Pakistan we are talking about.

We need four openers , we have three. We need two or three new middle order batsmen. Haris is a waste of space, Asif Ali has potential but seems mentally shot considering his tragedy not sure if he will be the same. Imad is rubbish and unfit and needs to be replace by Umar khan or another bowler.

I am quietly optimistic of the t20 world cup, and then we have the world cup. Get rid of Malik, hafeez, haris, wahab. Hasan ali will need to improve or drop him too..he's a been a big failure since the CT17..shaheenneeds to learn some more skills and we need to get some more young fast bowlers..
 
1.Imam Ul Haq (c)
2.Shan Masood
3.Babar Azam
4.Umar Akmal
5.Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
6.Khushdil Shah
7.Aamir Yamin
8.Shadab Khan
9.Umer Khan
10.Mohammad Amir (VC)
11.Mohammad Musa

So the automatic selection becomes an automatic captain? On what basis?
 
its not mental. Its skills. Our domestic cricket is shattered and destroyed thanks to the mismanagement of the last ten years. We need about three years of the new system to run for us to get some new players in. i fear the next world cup will be too early. i think 8 years is when you will see some new good players. In the meantime we have to make do.

I think we should make sarfi cuptaan for the next four years and end any speculation regarding the cuptaany. There is nobody who can replace him. We cant give it to a young captain as they don't have the ability to do it. Captaining a international team is not easy and this is Pakistan we are talking about.

We need four openers , we have three. We need two or three new middle order batsmen. Haris is a waste of space, Asif Ali has potential but seems mentally shot considering his tragedy not sure if he will be the same. Imad is rubbish and unfit and needs to be replace by Umar khan or another bowler.

I am quietly optimistic of the t20 world cup, and then we have the world cup. Get rid of Malik, hafeez, haris, wahab. Hasan ali will need to improve or drop him too..he's a been a big failure since the CT17..shaheenneeds to learn some more skills and we need to get some more young fast bowlers..

Harris is a waste of space but, Asif Ali has potential. What world do you live in. Oh i forget you do like harris for some reason. If you want to drop haris, you drop him due to his fitness otherwise he should be the second name on team sheet after Babar batting wise.
 
1.Imam Ul Haq (c)
2.Shan Masood
3.Babar Azam
4.Umar Akmal
5.Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
6.Khushdil Shah
7.Aamir Yamin
8.Shadab Khan
9.Umer Khan
10.Mohammad Amir (VC)
11.Mohammad Musa

Shan has no place in odi's we saw how he batted against Australia.
 
Think we can experiment after world cup. Let all the unfit players go and work hard on their fitness. I also want players who do well at all formats, if you don't do at least decent in first class, there's probably something wrong with your technique. Imad and Abid especially hopefully can work on their fitness and come back as I think these two probably have the best potential to break into the team amongst the unfit. So Haris only tests now I don't see him in future ODI plans even though he should have played this world cup, and Saud Shakeel I don't think is fit enough (if I'm wrong get him in).

I'd play
1. Imam
2. Sami Aslam
3. Babar
4. Fakhar (c)
5. Saad Ali
6. Rizwan
7. Hammad Azam (lack of options, I'd like to see if he's improved or not)
8. Shadab
9. Amir
10. Haris Rauf
11. Riaz or Shinwari whoever's better. Zafar if we need another spinner.

Fakhar's captain as dunno anyone else can captain. Not worth burdening a young player trying to develop who isn't captaining regularly already. Maybe Imad can take over if he comes back fit, or I guess Sarfraz does it if he keeps his spot (replaces Saad Ali). Amir can't captain, he doesn't regularly do it and is a fixer, it would bring bad spotlight on him and I think he's forfeited the right. Don't think Sharjeel should come back after what he did, but if he does at least he has to be fit.
 
Sharjeel
Fakhar VC
Babar
Rizwan WK
Khushdil Shah
Pace Allrounder (Pindi lad forgot his name)
Shadab Khan
Zafar Gohar
M Amir C
Haris Rauf
M Musa

Part of Rotation
Shaan Masood
Umer Khan
Shaheen Afridi
M Ilyas
Iftikhar Ahmed
Usman Shinwari
Mir Hamza
 
Think we can experiment after world cup. Let all the unfit players go and work hard on their fitness. I also want players who do well at all formats, if you don't do at least decent in first class, there's probably something wrong with your technique. Imad and Abid especially hopefully can work on their fitness and come back as I think these two probably have the best potential to break into the team amongst the unfit. So Haris only tests now I don't see him in future ODI plans even though he should have played this world cup, and Saud Shakeel I don't think is fit enough (if I'm wrong get him in).

I'd play
1. Imam
2. Sami Aslam
3. Babar
4. Fakhar (c)
5. Saad Ali
6. Rizwan
7. Hammad Azam (lack of options, I'd like to see if he's improved or not)
8. Shadab
9. Amir
10. Haris Rauf
11. Riaz or Shinwari whoever's better. Zafar if we need another spinner.

Fakhar's captain as dunno anyone else can captain. Not worth burdening a young player trying to develop who isn't captaining regularly already. Maybe Imad can take over if he comes back fit, or I guess Sarfraz does it if he keeps his spot (replaces Saad Ali). Amir can't captain, he doesn't regularly do it and is a fixer, it would bring bad spotlight on him and I think he's forfeited the right. Don't think Sharjeel should come back after what he did, but if he does at least he has to be fit.

Saad ali it not an odi batsmen. Hammad bowling will be smashed everywhere. Plus sami is not the same anyone and has put on a lot of weight. In addition rizwan will be awful at 6. Though I like Fakhar at 4. Didn't think of it before gives us some power in the middle order.
 
Shoaib Malik, Sarfraz Ahmed, Mohammed Hafeez, Wahab Riaz will be forced out and shouldn’t be in the team as Pakistan need to rebuild for the next World Cup. Mohammed Amir should Captain the side
 
Harris is a waste of space but, Asif Ali has potential. What world do you live in. Oh i forget you do like harris for some reason. If you want to drop haris, you drop him due to his fitness otherwise he should be the second name on team sheet after Babar batting wise.

he hasnt proven anything to me. If your going to criticise Imam, well haris has utterly failed to do anything meaningful when its required. Asif in his role has shown potential. He is a number 6 and a hitter. That is his job. Haris's job is to play the middle order role that helps us accelerate in the middle orders.. a Moyo role..he cant even run around the ground without his belly falling out..second name on the sheet puh..
 
he hasnt proven anything to me. If your going to criticise Imam, well haris has utterly failed to do anything meaningful when its required. Asif in his role has shown potential. He is a number 6 and a hitter. That is his job. Haris's job is to play the middle order role that helps us accelerate in the middle orders.. a Moyo role..he cant even run around the ground without his belly falling out..second name on the sheet puh..

Is he better then Malik? Yes or No? Plus where is criticism on Imam from me? Stop telling lies. Asif Ali and Malik cost us the game yesterday do you agree or not? Haris averages 45 more then Hafeez, Malik, Asif, Sarfraz, Plus i think he averges around 60 odd against the top teams something which Malik, Asif and hafeez can only dream off. Haris maybe a poor fielder, but yet to see him drop a catch at slips which mr asif did and pretty much cost us the game. Anyway everyone here knows you have agenda against Haris.
 
Deserves a run for being the top performer in List A.

Plus one series doesn't define a player.

I agree , but he's nearly 30 too and not someone who can take on the opposition. Rather get Babar to open with Imam. But i respect your opinion.
 
Saad ali it not an odi batsmen. Hammad bowling will be smashed everywhere. Plus sami is not the same anyone and has put on a lot of weight. In addition rizwan will be awful at 6. Though I like Fakhar at 4. Didn't think of it before gives us some power in the middle order.

Sad if Sami's put on weight in such a short space of time. I thought it was encouraging he was averaging 49 which he's brought up and if he had great U19 sucess too was worth a shot. If he's unfit keep him out until he gets fit.

I agree with playing Rizwan up the order, but hard to place him there with the current players, none will want to make way for him and he does have experience batting down the order. I'm not sure Saad Ali is a good ODI player or not, it's more he's been able to have good stats in both first class and list A for years which suggests at least he's a more well rounded batsman technique wise. I think Saad Ali will be in the test side soon too, so might not hurt to just see with our own eyes how he fairs in LOI, if we have 4 years to go to the next world cup. From seeing guys like Talat especially, I'm less sure of these only LOI domestic players, there's usually a reason they can't at least be decent in first class.

If Rizwan can open or play no.3 then that would be good if as you say Sami's unfit. Maybe Amin deserves a chance.

More interested in Hammad's batting, this guy was hyped to the moon in his U19 days and hasn't been given huge amount of chances. Again similar to Saad, maybe a series or two would suffice just to try out. The alternative is going back to Imad, Fahim, Yamin, Nawaz etc. whom none have really wowed me and imad's still not fit enough.

I think a big issue we've had is not properly trying out players first. We go back and forth without really knowing for sure if the player is good enough. Take Haris for example, taken to every squad, no one knows if he's good enough or not, yet we're constantly trying out other players too. I don't think we should be so quick to rush in youngsters, most are raw they get played a bit then dropped forever. When they're ready and dominating domestic, then bring them in. Guys like Babar, Amir, even Shadab these guys are exceptions, they showed a lot more cricketing maturity than usual for guys their age.
 
I agree , but he's nearly 30 too and not someone who can take on the opposition. Rather get Babar to open with Imam. But i respect your opinion.

Babar opening would be ideal but then our middle order might suffer.
 
Sad if Sami's put on weight in such a short space of time. I thought it was encouraging he was averaging 49 which he's brought up and if he had great U19 sucess too was worth a shot. If he's unfit keep him out until he gets fit.

I agree with playing Rizwan up the order, but hard to place him there with the current players, none will want to make way for him and he does have experience batting down the order. I'm not sure Saad Ali is a good ODI player or not, it's more he's been able to have good stats in both first class and list A for years which suggests at least he's a more well rounded batsman technique wise. I think Saad Ali will be in the test side soon too, so might not hurt to just see with our own eyes how he fairs in LOI, if we have 4 years to go to the next world cup. From seeing guys like Talat especially, I'm less sure of these only LOI domestic players, there's usually a reason they can't at least be decent in first class.

If Rizwan can open or play no.3 then that would be good if as you say Sami's unfit. Maybe Amin deserves a chance.

More interested in Hammad's batting, this guy was hyped to the moon in his U19 days and hasn't been given huge amount of chances. Again similar to Saad, maybe a series or two would suffice just to try out. The alternative is going back to Imad, Fahim, Yamin, Nawaz etc. whom none have really wowed me and imad's still not fit enough.

I think a big issue we've had is not properly trying out players first. We go back and forth without really knowing for sure if the player is good enough. Take Haris for example, taken to every squad, no one knows if he's good enough or not, yet we're constantly trying out other players too. I don't think we should be so quick to rush in youngsters, most are raw they get played a bit then dropped forever. When they're ready and dominating domestic, then bring them in. Guys like Babar, Amir, even Shadab these guys are exceptions, they showed a lot more cricketing maturity than usual for guys their age.

Unfortunately the ship has sailed for hammad, his batting has regressed a lot as well as umer for a start was given enough chances and with the emergence of imam, fakhar and some good young domestic openers coming through i don't think he should be in contention. For the all rounder role i would like to see amad butt or amir yamin given a go, don't know why amir yamin was discarded after being decent when given a go.

I have seen bat bat quite a few times and he's a test player not an odi player which it showed in the Austrlia series doesn't have many shots. Saud Shakeel is better then him in my opnion who i think should bat at 3 for us if they make Babar open. His batting is similar to Haris good against pace and spin, plus can bowl a few overs as well as a reliable fielder.
 
Am sure Azhar Ali, Asad shafiq, ahmed shehzad, umar akmal will all be recalled after the world cup to provide the team with "experienced seniors" going into the next world cup.

Apart from after 2003 WC where pretty much all seniors got the boot, when has pakistan ever planned properly?
 
Is he better then Malik? Yes or No? Plus where is criticism on Imam from me? Stop telling lies. Asif Ali and Malik cost us the game yesterday do you agree or not? Haris averages 45 more then Hafeez, Malik, Asif, Sarfraz, Plus i think he averges around 60 odd against the top teams something which Malik, Asif and hafeez can only dream off. Haris maybe a poor fielder, but yet to see him drop a catch at slips which mr asif did and pretty much cost us the game. Anyway everyone here knows you have agenda against Haris.

yes I have an agenda against him. he asked for my daughters hand in marriage and i thought he was a loafer moata...you got me there..
 
These players shouldn't be considered anymore as they will be too old come the next World Cup:

1) Sarfraz Ahmed
2) Mohammad Hafeez
3) Shoaib Malik
4) Wahab Riaz
5) Imad Wasim

These players should be dropped right after the World Cup, only coming back if they regain form in domestic cricket:

1) Hasan Ali
2) Asif Ali

We should persist with the rest of the 8 players:

1) Fakhar Zaman
2) Imam Ul Haq
3) Babar Azam
4) Haris Sohail
5) Shadab Khan
6) Mohammad Amir
7) Shaheen Afridi
8) Mohammad Hasnain

My Playing XI for our next series would be:

1) Fakhar Zaman
2) Sharjeel Khan
3) Imam Ul Haq
4) Babar Azam(VC)
5) Haris Sohail
6) Mohammad Rizwan(Wk)
7) Shadab Khan
8) Zafar Gohar
9) Mohammad Amir(C)
10) Shaheen Afridi
11) Mohammad Hasnain

Bench:

Abid Ali
Khusdil Shah
Umer Khan
Usman Shinwari
Haris Rauf
 
yes I have an agenda against him. he asked for my daughters hand in marriage and i thought he was a loafer moata...you got me there..

I see you don't have an answer. Hence ignoring it. Thank you. I didn't make up the stats BTW. I see why you won't want to reply.
 
Think we can experiment after world cup. Let all the unfit players go and work hard on their fitness. I also want players who do well at all formats, if you don't do at least decent in first class, there's probably something wrong with your technique. Imad and Abid especially hopefully can work on their fitness and come back as I think these two probably have the best potential to break into the team amongst the unfit. So Haris only tests now I don't see him in future ODI plans even though he should have played this world cup, and Saud Shakeel I don't think is fit enough (if I'm wrong get him in).

I'd play
1. Imam
2. Sami Aslam
3. Babar
4. Fakhar (c)
5. Saad Ali
6. Rizwan
7. Hammad Azam (lack of options, I'd like to see if he's improved or not)
8. Shadab
9. Amir
10. Haris Rauf
11. Riaz or Shinwari whoever's better. Zafar if we need another spinner.

Fakhar's captain as dunno anyone else can captain. Not worth burdening a young player trying to develop who isn't captaining regularly already. Maybe Imad can take over if he comes back fit, or I guess Sarfraz does it if he keeps his spot (replaces Saad Ali). Amir can't captain, he doesn't regularly do it and is a fixer, it would bring bad spotlight on him and I think he's forfeited the right. Don't think Sharjeel should come back after what he did, but if he does at least he has to be fit.

Sami is nowhere near as unfit as some might lead you to believe. The guy has always been a short stocky fellow, and these people are the same who called imam fat due to his shorter stocky build. His performances have dropped off a tad bit nut that is also due to the fact that in recent tournaments he was moved to 1 down instead of opening, while opening in some games. This lack of consistency in position can affect a player. Sami deserves a place because he was u-19 captain and the opening partner to imam, and being a much more prolific scorer playing at the same time as the likes of Markram, rabada, pehluwayo, hetmyer, and pooran. If imam merits a place so does sami, but we gave sami only 4 ODI innings to prove himself in incredibly turbulent times, whereas imam got to inflate his stats with consistent chances against lowly zimbabwe. I think it’s time to give this fruitful u-19 opening partnership a shot to open together at the big stage, and both are such talents that if it pans out, we will reap the benefits. Stats do not tell the whole story, but sami’s list A stats are among some of the best in our domestic circuit, and if given ample opportunity,i think we might see a great partnership with the gap picking ability of sami aslam, which once drew comparisons to saeed anwar, and the defensive temperament of imam.

The squad for now should remain more or less similar aside from a few additions, obviously it is not realistic to say everyone will be dropped and a whole new 15 man will take its place, but there must be replacements for older players

Startin xi:sarf:faf
1. Imam
2. Sami
3. Babar
4. Fakhar (VC)
5. Khushdil
6. Sarf (C, WK)
7. Shadab
8. Faheem
9. Hassan
10. Amir
11. Shaheen

Bench
Rizwan
Haris
Hasnain
An offie, or a true spinner to pair with shadab in the spin attack, or could be imad, would come in the place of faheem

Gone::jk:shhh
Wahab
Hafeez
Malik

People like to point to babars timid nature, but in reality he has captained sides before, and was a successful u-19 captain, and is known to have a good cricketing mind. Sami aslam has done so too, but not captain material unless he cements a place in the side. I believe sarfi should make way for rizwan as wk soon, with rohail on the bench, and transition captaincy to fakhar with babar as VC, another less likely option is shadab, who might not be as unlikely as we think since he is so highly regarded by fans and selectors alike.

Hassan and fakhar should also be dropped for rest for a series or 2 because they have been overplayed and their lack of performances could be result of fatigue.
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I see you don't have an answer. Hence ignoring it. Thank you. I didn't make up the stats BTW. I see why you won't want to reply.

stats dont always give the full picture. Haris just hasnt improved. His fitness is poor he hasnt locked down a place yet and he isnt reliable..he may have hit some fifites and a hundred in the uae in meaningless bilaterals but he never really fires when we need him.

say what you want about Babar and imam but they have one thing on their side that haris doesnt and that is age. They will improve and are already better than him. Give them a few more years and I expect them to be even better. I cant see Haris getting any better..
 
stats dont always give the full picture. Haris just hasnt improved. His fitness is poor he hasnt locked down a place yet and he isnt reliable..he may have hit some fifites and a hundred in the uae in meaningless bilaterals but he never really fires when we need him.

say what you want about Babar and imam but they have one thing on their side that haris doesnt and that is age. They will improve and are already better than him. Give them a few more years and I expect them to be even better. I cant see Haris getting any better..

You have ignored the question again, rightly so as you don't have an answer. I am one of the biggest supporter of Babar and Imam where have i criticized them, and where i have it been justified just like the rubbish shot which both played. If you read up i said we should bulid team around them and even said harris with his fitness won't last long even though i am his firm supporter. Maybe because you don't have answers thats why you are lying. Please for future just admit you don't like harris for whatever reason, rather then lying and making up stuff. Babar is better then Harris, Imam not yet, Harris is our second best batsmen after Babar whether you like it or not.
 
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