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Who won't be in the Pakistan ODI team post 2019 World Cup, and who will replace them?

agree.... i think Khushdil Shah, Saud Shaqeel, Umar Amin and Iftikhar Ahmad should be fully motivated and going full guns trying to earn a permanent spot... I wouldnt mind any of these, personally would like Umar Amin as i think he is similar to Harris Sohail and adds that collingwood type bowling option + he is extremly fit which adds a gun fielding option in the team. Khushdil Shah is also good but needs to do 1 more good season in domestic and PSL .

Well we have 4 year before the next world cup so I hope we try out some good players from that 5-7 position, until we find some good players. That top 4 is probably better than any other Pakistani ODI top 4 in my mind. They can transform our batting for good.
 
Well we have 4 year before the next world cup so I hope we try out some good players from that 5-7 position, until we find some good players. That top 4 is probably better than any other Pakistani ODI top 4 in my mind. They can transform our batting for good.

u must be joking when you say we have 4 years to plan ... pakistan cricket plans as i plan for my exams lol ... 2 days before the final, this is not important , that is not important and last min revisions and summary notes rush to get stuff covered lol ... we wont plan ... but i have hopes with Wasim Khan .. hopefully he can deliver some sense
 
Not quite sure but all I know is our top 4 looks Amazing after this tournament with the exclusion of Hafeez.

1. Fakhar Zaman (Remains)
2. Imam-Ul-Haq (Remains)
3. Babar Azam (Remains)
4. Haris Sohail (Replaces Hafeez permanently)

Damn our batting is going to be winning matches with that top 4, just need to get a couple good lower order hitters now.

1. Fakhar Zaman (Remains)
2. Imam-Ul-Haq (Remains)
3. Babar Azam (Remains)
4. Haris Sohail
5. Saif Badar

This should be Pakistan's top 5 till next world cup. If Imam doesnt perform well, i would drop him and make Babar open with Fakhar, Haris at 3 and Saud Shakeel at 4, saif at 5.

Still need power hitters at 6 and 7 though.
 
1. Fakhar Zaman (Remains)
2. Imam-Ul-Haq (Remains)
3. Babar Azam (Remains)
4. Haris Sohail
5. Saif Badar

This should be Pakistan's top 5 till next world cup. If Imam doesnt perform well, i would drop him and make Babar open with Fakhar, Haris at 3 and Saud Shakeel at 4, saif at 5.

Still need power hitters at 6 and 7 though.

Oh I remember watching Saif in the 2016 Under 19 CWC he seemed like a good batsman I'd say try out Umair Masood as WK finisher who also played in that Under 19 CWC. I think Saud Shakeel based on his List A numbers also deserves a go, but he's a top 5 batsman.
 
Oh I remember watching Saif in the 2016 Under 19 CWC he seemed like a good batsman I'd say try out Umair Masood as WK finisher who also played in that Under 19 CWC. I think Saud Shakeel based on his List A numbers also deserves a go, but he's a top 5 batsman.

I really liked Umair Massood in PSL, def think he is one for the future.. He opened so am not sure how he will play in the middle/lower order but his hitting against spin and fast bowling was treat to watch.. i think a good psl/domestic season will raise his stakes real good but dont know if he will be picked ahead of Rizwan as yet...
 
I really liked Umair Massood in PSL, def think he is one for the future.. He opened so am not sure how he will play in the middle/lower order but his hitting against spin and fast bowling was treat to watch.. i think a good psl/domestic season will raise his stakes real good but dont know if he will be picked ahead of Rizwan as yet...

Yeah Rizwan is the second string WK-Batsman right now but that just gives Masood more time to develop. And did he play in this PSL? Cause I can't recall, Don't think the Qalandars even played him. I think you are confusing him with Multan Sultans opener Umar Siddiq who also kept wickets. He's 26 years old has played a good amount of domestic cricket but I don't think he's an actual Wicket Keeper just kept cause Multan were struggling with their WK's.

Umair Masood is like a #5,6 batsman. In the Under 19 Cricket World Cup I watched his innings live where he scored a beautiful hundred against West Indies you should go watch it to see what this kid is about.
 
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Yeah Rizwan is the second string WK-Batsman right now but that just gives Masood more time to develop. And did he play in this PSL? Cause I can't recall, Don't think the Qalandars even played him. I think you are confusing him with Multan Sultans opener Umar Siddiq who also kept wickets. He's 26 years old has played a good amount of domestic cricket but I don't think he's an actual Wicket Keeper just kept cause Multan were struggling with their WK's.

Umair Masood is like a #5,6 batsman. In the Under 19 Cricket World Cup I watched his innings live where he scored a beautiful hundred against West Indies you should go watch it to see what this kid is about.

aahhh yes, correct.. my apologies... remember now ... i was surprised at that time why Qalander kept playing Gauhar Ali, who was really poor, both on batting and keeping, and not umair massod...

as for Umar Saddiq, i think that guy , along with Ahsan Ali (Quetta Gladiators) was the beast new batting talent in the PSL (this tells us how poor batting talent coming out of psl was ) but these were the best of the lot ... wont mind seeing Umar Saddiq in the probably 30z and getting chance against zimbabwe and SL
 
aahhh yes, correct.. my apologies... remember now ... i was surprised at that time why Qalander kept playing Gauhar Ali, who was really poor, both on batting and keeping, and not umair massod...

as for Umar Saddiq, i think that guy , along with Ahsan Ali (Quetta Gladiators) was the beast new batting talent in the PSL (this tells us how poor batting talent coming out of psl was ) but these were the best of the lot ... wont mind seeing Umar Saddiq in the probably 30z and getting chance against zimbabwe and SL

If nothing else PSL needs to give us some power hitters!
 
I still don’t understand the love for Sharjeel Khan. We can’t just overlook what he has done. The way people talk about his return, makes it sound like he had an injury after which he just walks back into the team.
 
I have seen Haider Ali a few times in the U19 team and he looks to have something. He may end up like all the others that showed a little but got stuck in domestic cricket and never kicked on, or hopefully he becomes a real player. Lets see if in few years time we are still talking about him.
 
I still don’t understand the love for Sharjeel Khan. We can’t just overlook what he has done. The way people talk about his return, makes it sound like he had an injury after which he just walks back into the team.

No one has actually put down what he did or didn't do. it's all a muddle.

Either way, there is enough precedence for him to come back after a mistake.

If he is half the player he was before the ban, I am all for him coming back. He will upgrade the team several notches.
 
I still don’t understand the love for Sharjeel Khan. We can’t just overlook what he has done. The way people talk about his return, makes it sound like he had an injury after which he just walks back into the team.

Exactly. I cant believe people are ignoring the fact that he did spot fixing.

Forget spot fixing for a moment, the guy is 30+ already. By next world cup he will be 34. He is a purely hand eye co-ordination player. Such players dont last long when they get into mid 30s because with age the relexes become slow and they dont have the technique to fall back on. He will be a sitting duck even if we select him not considering the fact that he hasnt played a game in 2-3 years now. Any further investment in him will be disastrous and waste of time.
 
Oh I remember watching Saif in the 2016 Under 19 CWC he seemed like a good batsman I'd say try out Umair Masood as WK finisher who also played in that Under 19 CWC. I think Saud Shakeel based on his List A numbers also deserves a go, but he's a top 5 batsman.

Saif is an absolute must at number 5. Believe me Pakistan would not regret if they select him. Saud shakeel is great too but just look at the team requirement. Saud is a replacement of Haris. Both of them arent needed in the playing XI. Both can be in the 15 man squad squad though.

However, team requires a batsman like Saif at number 5. He can score briskly, he is a natural batsman with the kind of flair needed at number 5. He is a bit tall which provides a good power hitting base and he Can hit sixes as well when required. He had successfully finished many games in previous domestic limited overs season so he has performances to back his talent as well. MUST SELECT HIM.
 
Saif is an absolute must at number 5. Believe me Pakistan would not regret if they select him. Saud shakeel is great too but just look at the team requirement. Saud is a replacement of Haris. Both of them arent needed in the playing XI. Both can be in the 15 man squad squad though.

However, team requires a batsman like Saif at number 5. He can score briskly, he is a natural batsman with the kind of flair needed at number 5. He is a bit tall which provides a good power hitting base and he Can hit sixes as well when required. He had successfully finished many games in previous domestic limited overs season so he has performances to back his talent as well. MUST SELECT HIM.

Yes he's definitely near 6 foot saw him the other at the game. He should be in our plans
 
No one has actually put down what he did or didn't do. it's all a muddle.

Either way, there is enough precedence for him to come back after a mistake.

If he is half the player he was before the ban, I am all for him coming back. He will upgrade the team several notches.

Middle or not, what he is accused of is a serious matter in cricket and unless proven innocent, he shouldn’t just be allowed to walk back into the team. I don’t care if he makes us the best team in the world, we need to have some standards and morals.
 
Middle or not, what he is accused of is a serious matter in cricket and unless proven innocent, he shouldn’t just be allowed to walk back into the team. I don’t care if he makes us the best team in the world, we need to have some standards and morals.

Isn't he serving his ban? Confused.
 
Saif is an absolute must at number 5. Believe me Pakistan would not regret if they select him. Saud shakeel is great too but just look at the team requirement. Saud is a replacement of Haris. Both of them arent needed in the playing XI. Both can be in the 15 man squad squad though.

However, team requires a batsman like Saif at number 5. He can score briskly, he is a natural batsman with the kind of flair needed at number 5. He is a bit tall which provides a good power hitting base and he Can hit sixes as well when required. He had successfully finished many games in previous domestic limited overs season so he has performances to back his talent as well. MUST SELECT HIM.

Yeah great thing is we have 4 years till the next world cup so we can try out a number of individuals. For 2 years I don't mind chopping and changing trying to find the right combo but by 2021 we should hopefully be playing a settled team. Our top 4 will be the same throughout it's just that lower middle order that will probably see changes and adjustments.
 
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Isn't he serving his ban? Confused.

A ban doesn’t mean that you walk back into the team the day after it ends

There’s comes a point where you need to be strict and take a stand ands that’s now! Otherwise match fixing and spot fixing will never be rooted out
 
It's great that we are doing well at the WC now. But Mamoon did make a fair point. If we get to the semis there is a chance that the PCB won't change players who need changing. I do not want the 2023 WC to be the retirement party of more players.

I want us to get to the semis but I have a concern that certain players who need to be moved on won't be moved on after this WC. Players like Wahab , Hafeez , Imad ( can stay in T20s) , Malik , and Sarfraz need moving on regardless of the outcome or this campaign.
 
I would keep this team after the world cup. Give them extended run:

1. Abid Ali
2. Imam ul Haq
3. Babar Azam
4. Haris Sohail
5. Rizwan
6. Saif Badar
7. Shadab Khan
8. Zafar Gohar
9. Shaheen Afridi
10. Amir
11. Hasnain

12. Saud Shakeel
13. Haris Rauf
14. Umar Khan
15. Aamer Yamin
 
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A ban doesn’t mean that you walk back into the team the day after it ends

There’s comes a point where you need to be strict and take a stand ands that’s now! Otherwise match fixing and spot fixing will never be rooted out

And it all starts with Sharjeel? Why?

I am all for outrage against selling your country out, but there is enough precedence of players coming back after serving their sentences. Plus Sharjeel is a difficult case. Not even sure of the facts, so am even more unsure of putting unreasonable standards solely against him.
 
And it all starts with Sharjeel? Why?

I am all for outrage against selling your country out, but there is enough precedence of players coming back after serving their sentences. Plus Sharjeel is a difficult case. Not even sure of the facts, so am even more unsure of putting unreasonable standards solely against him.

You have to start somewhere. We can only go off what’s presented to us and on that basis he was banned. So sometimes the difficult decision has to be made
 
Imam
Fakhar
Babar
Haris
Saif Badar (this guy is a beast)
Khushdil Shah
Pace all rounder
Shadab Khan
Spinner
Fast Bowler
Shaheen Shah Afridi

I can’t see any good pace all rounder in Pakistan, we have good all rounders but they have tiny pace and will probably fail at international level.
We need to look at modern day requirements and play 2 wrist spinners, we have shadab, we need another spinner to support him, we don’t have good off spinners in domestic so a leg spinner like Usama Mir should be tried, or even the left arm spin of zafar gohar as well, the guy got like 4 wickets in his debut game and was then dropped. We need good fast bowling options, and looking at the domestic, there are plenty of young quicks that need to be developed in these 4 years.
 
Umar akmal
Babar azam
Umar amin
Haris sohail
Rohail Nazir (wk)
Fakhar zaman
Zafar gohar
Leg spinner
Husnain
Shaheen
Naseem shah
 
Imam
Fakhar
Babar
Haris
Saif Badar (this guy is a beast)
Khushdil Shah
Pace all rounder
Shadab Khan
Spinner
Fast Bowler
Shaheen Shah Afridi

I can’t see any good pace all rounder in Pakistan, we have good all rounders but they have tiny pace and will probably fail at international level.
We need to look at modern day requirements and play 2 wrist spinners, we have shadab, we need another spinner to support him, we don’t have good off spinners in domestic so a leg spinner like Usama Mir should be tried, or even the left arm spin of zafar gohar as well, the guy got like 4 wickets in his debut game and was then dropped. We need good fast bowling options, and looking at the domestic, there are plenty of young quicks that need to be developed in these 4 years.

Please tell me why Saif Badar is a beast, he has only made 3 50's in 21 List A innings and has an average of 28.52 in List A.

Link to his Stats

http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/player/922967.html

Tell me if this is the wrong player
 
Please tell me why Saif Badar is a beast, he has only made 3 50's in 21 List A innings and has an average of 28.52 in List A.

Link to his Stats

http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/player/922967.html

Tell me if this is the wrong player

He started his LA career poorly. I think if you filter his stats to last 8-10 games, he has become better. I agree he needs to put up better numbers but given his talent, he will do that also. His case is of the person whose stats dont do justice to his ability.
 
Players that should be gone from the current ODI Side:

- Imam Ul-Haq
- Sarfraz Ahmed
- Shoaib Malik
- Asif Ali
- Hasan Ali
- Imad Wasim
- Shadab Khan
- Mohammad Hafeez

New Squad:

1. Fakhar Zaman
2. Haider Ali
3. Babar Azam
4. Rohail Nazir (c) (wk)
5. Haris Sohail
6. Khushdil Shah
7. Aamer Yamin
8. Shaheen Shah Afridi
9. Naseem Shah
10. Mohammad Amir
11. Zafar Gohar

12. Mohammad Rizwan
13. Mohammad Hasnain
14. Muhammad Musa
15. Umer Khan

Other Players:

16. Usama Baloch
17. Saud Shakeel
18. Zeeshan Malik
19. Haris Rauf
20. Mohammad Asghar
 
When I say 'Other players' I mean other players that currently look promising/ very good
 
Hafeez and Wahab hopefully will be gone.

Sarfraz should go but I doubt he will.

Only 30+ players if any should be FZ, Haris and Imad.
 
Hafeez and Wahab hopefully will be gone.

Sarfraz should go but I doubt he will.

Only 30+ players if any should be FZ, Haris and Imad.

Only in Pakistan, can someone that has failed for 2 long years can be kept on.
 
Post WC19: Will PCB continue to recycle or We will see the same old faces...Management/Players

So... We still have one more game to play. Regardless of the outcome of that game. Will PCB continue to do the recycle or you expect to see changes?

My take.. we will continue to see the same old trend. Yes we may hear some big news of changing captain or coach but after a month all will be forgotten and we will be recalling players from the past...

Welcome to the recycle bin...
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Our top 4 need to be proper batsmen

Enough of Fakhar and Hafeez


Look at Shan Masood's test performance in SA, and his List A record( also Pakistan A performances). Guys like him and Saud Shakeel need to be given a proper chance.
 
Given the relative young age of our better players, the preparation for the 2023 WC can begin straight away.

Keep:
- Babar (capt)
- Haris
- Imam
- Shadab
- Amir
- Shaheen

That gives a fair amount of wiggle room to new players.

I'd like to see Shan, Khudshil, Yamin, Rauf, Gohar all given a game by the end of the year.
 
Aftet the World Cup need to think about long term and properly prepare for next World Cup at the same time thing about present to since as of next year you will have a world t20 as well coming up

Guys that need to go from this World Cup squad

Fakhar ( should only come back once he has improved )

Imam should be opener for test cricket only not limited overs

Hafeez retire in all formats

Malik retire in all formats

Shadab needs to be dropped from ODI squad needs to work on his bowling can still make his way into the team if he improves would keep him for t20s but again if not improving find someone else

Asif Ali needs to go from ODI and t20 needs to work on his game

Wahab as much as I love him should retire maybe play some t20s for the remainder of the year and test but not ODI he won't be a long term plan

Hasan Ali needs to work on his game but can make a come back very good to see that he bats well too

Sarfraz Ahmed needs to go from all formats I am sorry but not a fan of this guy he can be a solid cricketer but needs to really work on his fitness will due him wonders on wicket keeping , running between the wickets and improve his batting as well
 
Also Hasan Ali needs to get dropped. We have kids on the streets who can come in and bowl better than him.
 
Team I'd like to see against Sri Lanka in December:

Fakhar
Haider(or Any decent opener, this was the only name I could think of)
Babar
Haris
Mohammad Rizwan
Khushdil Shah
Imad Wasim/Aamer Yamin
Shadab
Shaheen
Haris Rauf/Zafar Gohar/Umer Khan
Mohammad Amir
 
I won’t comment on individuals but rather the culture of selecting players who can hit big shots in domestic cricket and in the nets needs to change into selecting players who can find the gaps in the field to run singles and doubles.
 
Consider a 50 over game as 2 T20s and 1 10 over game..



Need to make 600 to have any chance of qualifying..
 
Aamer Yamin is not a good all rounder.We need a fast bowling allrounder ie a fast bowler who can contribute at least 30-40 runs in an innings.
 
Post WC team of Pak:

1. ? (Fakhar ?)
2. ? (Imam ?)
3. Babar (C)
4. Haris (VC)
5. Rizwan (WK)
6. ?
7. Imad
8. ? Spinner
9. Amir
10. Shaheen
11. Usman

12. Hasnain

Back to domestic cricket, if they perform consistently, then consider:
Hasan Ali
Sarfaraz Ahmed
Shadab Khan
 
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Who should be dropped first from Pak team?

Malik was the obvious candidate but he announced his retirement. So who should be dropped first?

I think competition is between Hafeez and Sarfraz.
 
Hafeez
Fakhar
Shadab
Sarfaraz
Hasan Ali
Asif Ali from ODIs, should only play T20s
 
Probably easier to say who will be left. Need a mass clear out starting with Hafeez, Sarfraz and Wahab.
 
Malik, Hafeez, Wahab, Sarfaraz and Fakhar need to go. Sarfaraz is not
an ODI player he can stick to test cricket, that is if he scores runs with the bat.
 
Malik is gonna be gone for good, was never impressive and we always had better options but somehow stayed on the team for 20 years
Hafeez is useless and old and cant chuck properly
Sarfraz is a captain who does not contribute to the team one bit *only in pakistan*
Hassan believes that his good performance 2 years ago will somehow stick with him for the rest of his career therefore meaning that he dosen`t need to practice or try
Asif Ali is not suited to ODI`s
Imad Wasim should only be used as a batsman
 
Usman Khan Shinwari should replace Hassan Ali, has a good odi record and could really strike with the new ball and could really swing
Some explosive young wicketkeeper batsman from u19 or domestics should replace Sarfraz
Fakhar should be moved down the order for some late order fireworks, not suited for opening
Hasnain should also be dropped, idk why people still like him. He was absolutely terrible vs England and yet the PCB thinks its a good idea to keep him in the squad and PP loves him for some reason. He would have gotten absolutely smashed if he played in the wc.
Naseem Shah should replace Hasnain
Khudshil shah should replace Hafeez
Saif Badar replace Malik
Shadab should be rested for now to try out Zafar Gohar
We need to groom a good fast bowling all rounder, Faheem Ashraf never lived up to expectations and Aamer Yamin is a trundler
Icc should really increase the maximum players in a squad to 17.
 
Post World Cup 2019 thoughts - Revamp, changes required?

Unfortunately a horrendous result against the Windies sealed our fortunes for the rest of the entire campaign with our NRR taking an absolute battering. We improved substantially as the tournament wore on but we never recovered from that opening game debacle.

Very promising to see the majority of our players improve and show more hunger for the fight as we approached later games. Shadab, imad, shaheen, babar, haris all played with flair, confidence and played key roles in our wins. This was extremely refreshing to see and bodes well for the future.

Unfortunately our seasoned pros let us down once again time after time after time. Malik was a complete write off & wasted a space in the squad for no reason. Hafeez, don’t get me started, is an absolutely diabolical cricketer. For someone who debuted over 16 years ago his lack of application and reliability is dire. Sarfraz should no longer be anywhere near this side. We MUST NOT and CANNOT compromise on fitness in any way, shape or form. It’s embarassing that the captain of our country is overweight and cannot clear the boundary with the bat for love nor money. Wahab had a good tournament and bowled with skill and surprisingly great control. His experience most certainly came to the fore but he’s now 34/35, needs to be thanked for his services and moved on politely.

We must build our nucleus and core around the following players IMO for the limited over circuit.

Imam
Babar
Haris
Shadab
Rizwan
Amir
Shaheen
Hasnain/Nasim Shah
Haris Rauf? (Opinions?)

Fakhar & Hassan Ali although clearly not write offs at the highest level, need a huge reality check and a long stint back in domestic cricket. Both need to prove themselves once again, start scoring runs & taking wickets respectively & no longer take their places for granted in the national side. Imad, splits opinion for me. I don’t believe he’s good enough as a long term option as he’s not a wicket taker and his pinch hitting comes off rarely. Also there’s question marks about his fitness & this isn’t acceptable at this level.

The absolute key criteria for anyone being brought into the side from here on in IMO has to be the following. THERE MUST NOT BE ANY COMPROMISE WHATSOEVER IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM FOR FITNESS AND FIELDING STANDARDS. This is imperative & must be drilled into all our youngsters before selection for the national side is contemplated.

My knowledge on domestic player talent isn’t the best. For those of you who follow the domestic game & have knowledge of the up and coming talent. Is there anyone who you think has the ability & talent to come and fill those spots around the above core group of players?

Let’s hope our new CEO Wasim Khan can implement some much needed changes & that our management team & chief selector make the correct decisions. We need to start planning now for the next World Cup and not be in limbo regarding team selection so close to a major campaign as we were for this World Cup.

Thanks for reading, please share your thoughts, opinions and challenges to what I’ve written. Really intrigued to see what kind of talent we possess at domestic level and everyone’s views around this especially.

Jazak’Allah Khair
 
Core for the ODIs for Future

Now that our WC is over. There are many ifs and buts on the format, NRR etc, and why Pak didnt make it to the semis. I believe it was a little bit of everything when it comes us not making it to the last four. However, still the last four games the way the team came back, has proved and shown the world that we can and still are the dangerous team when in form. I think Sarfaraz is a great captain and needs to be persisted with at least for the Test and ODIs and we can groom either Babar Azam or Imad Wasim for the T20 format and have them as VC in the ODI and Tests. This team that played the last four matches has potential superstars for the future. Below is my group of players for ODIs format that I would like going forward.

ODIS
1. Sherjeel Khan
2. Abid Ali
3. Babar Azam
4. Haris Sohail
5. Khushdil Shah
6. Sarfaraz Ahmed (Captain)
7. Imad Wasim
8. Shadab Khan
9. Mohammed Amir
10. Mohammed Hasnain
11. Shaheen Afridi
12. Khurram Manzoor ( backup opener)
13. Mohammed Rizwan (backup wk/middle order batsmen)
14. Asif Ali( needs to be groomed more as a proper batsmen)
15. Amir Yamin ( bowling allrounder)
16. Umer Khan ( Left Arm Spin )
17. Zafar Gohar ( Bowling Allrounder )
18. Haris Rauf ( another pace option)
19. Hussain Talat ( Batting Allrounder)
20. Usman Shinwari
21. Saad Ali ( Middle Order Batsmen)
 
And we are watching Iftikhar,Wahab and Sarfaraz.Good thing id that Hafeez and Malik is not there,
 
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