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Why are Indians upset English players are leaving to play for their national team ahead of T20 World Cup?

Do they think a domestic t20 tournament is bigger??
 
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Did Sunil Gav also say something similar ?

We need a thread on this .

Why are Indians upset English players are leaving to play for their national team ahead of T20 World Cup?

Do they think a domestic t20 tournament is bigger??
Yes sunil said something similar.
 
They have every right to be angry ( and it pains me saying this as disagreeing with Indians makes me happy).

The IPL teams had a strategy based on certain players. They select players based on their availability and compensate boards like the ECB for the players that are selected.

The ECB shouldn't just change the arrangement by arranging a last minute series ( i dont think this was agreed with the IPL teams beforehand but could be wrong).
 
They are the same idiots who thought Starc was finished based on the IPL.

For a lot of these truly specially challenged folk, nothing else exists outside the IPL bubble and the Bollywood scripted shenanigans
 
International T20 bilaterals are more meaningless. But for world T20's proximity i can 100% say none of the player would have come back. Besides it is happening in ENgland which allows them to spend more time with family before world T20. Once the world T20 is over players will skip bilaterals.
 
Aren’t players paid based on their availability to play? So what cut will they take if its in their fee structure?
 
The ECB shouldn't just change the arrangement by arranging a last minute series ( i dont think this was agreed with the IPL teams beforehand but could be wrong).
If that’s the case then yes strategies of teams do get affected..
 
Because Players opting to play for National side over their Premier Cricket Tournament. Can understand why IPL fans will be salty.
 
Players get paid on pro rata basis.

Usually BCCI and the teams know well in advance, before the auction, which players will be available and till when.

Ofcourse there may be some last minute withdrawals.

So if ECB had already conveyed to the BCCI about player availability, i don't see any issues here.

But if ECB tried to pull some kind of a stunt here, BCCI usually makes it a point to give it back. CSA has received it in the past.
 
Players get paid on pro rata basis.

Usually BCCI and the teams know well in advance, before the auction, which players will be available and till when.

Ofcourse there may be some last minute withdrawals.

So if ECB had already conveyed to the BCCI about player availability, i don't see any issues here.

But if ECB tried to pull some kind of a stunt here, BCCI usually makes it a point to give it back. CSA has received it in the past.

This move was not initiated by ECB. It was intitiated by Buttler the captain of ENglish side. He wanted the other players to join them as per Rob key. If Buttler had said no ECB could have done nothing about it. ECB has no control as far as i know. May be they are playing good cop bad cop routine. They kinda blame each other and get away.

Buttler probably wanted everyone to gel as a team and the bonus is to get to visit their family spend tme before another long world T20. World T20 starts on Jun 1st and ends on Jun 29th. That is another long month away from home.
 
The important thing is:

Did BCCI/IPL team owners know in advance about this series? If, yes, then no one should be complaining, if no, then they have all the rights to complain. Strategies, team
combinations, players rotations, workloads, etc, all are done under the assumption that X, Y, Z would be available for the whole or specific part of the tournament. Now if a player, or, in this case, multiple players leave, then that messes up everything.

Also, we have to see what the contract says. If players can leave whenever there is a national team assignment, then Indians have no rights to complain.

Anyway, Irfan Pathan should convey to the team owners not to select these players, instead of asking them not to come.
 
No team owners are you upset here afaik. They would have known prior to the tournament start. So a total non issue. Irfan and gavaskar just want some publicity. No one included the ipl team owners have expressed a concern on this.
 
The important thing is:

Did BCCI/IPL team owners know in advance about this series? If, yes, then no one should be complaining, if no, then they have all the rights to complain. Strategies, team
combinations, players rotations, workloads, etc, all are done under the assumption that X, Y, Z would be available for the whole or specific part of the tournament. Now if a player, or, in this case, multiple players leave, then that messes up everything.

Also, we have to see what the contract says. If players can leave whenever there is a national team assignment, then Indians have no rights to complain.

Anyway, Irfan Pathan should convey to the team owners not to select these players, instead of asking them not to come.

Player like Buttler are marquee player for RR. So the rules are not going to be hard and fast for everyone. But if you have a bad track record other teams will also hesitate to buy you in the auction. LIfe of a T20 journeyman is not going to be long considering the fact you might go through bad patch occasionally. So they won't risk being alienated by all the franchisees. In this case Salt had a good outing with KKR. So they will not mind. Other teams already got eliminated. So them staying makes no difference.
 
I believe the situation stems from some Indian posters on twitter wanted the English team to prefer the IPL over playing against Pakistan as There were posts from Indians mocking Pakistan last series claiming that New Zealand preferred playing in the IPL rather than against Pakistan. However, this didn't actually happen this time, and they are just upset about it.
 
yeah they did but its not the right thing to prioritize any league over ur national duty.

That is the new order. People cut short their careers for league cricket and forget about missing a T20 bilateral. Many are becoming journeymen. Look at Narine. They are literally begging him. He is not ready to play. This is why international T20s should be removed. It is a pathetic format anyway.
 
That is the new order. People cut short their careers for league cricket and forget about missing a T20 bilateral. Many are becoming journeymen. Look at Narine. They are literally begging him. He is not ready to play. This is why international T20s should be removed. It is a pathetic format anyway.
Commercially it’s most viable and in line with most modern day sports. I believe they should get rid of the ODIs.
 
Commercially it’s most viable and in line with most modern day sports. I believe they should get rid of the ODIs.
That will reduce the chances of producing half decent test cricketers. Everyone will start practicing slogging as you don't have to bat for half a day. You just have to slog for 20 balls. You are a "talent". Eventually teams will be filled with low quality sloggers with power of bowlers completely taken away.
 
Players are tired of a tournament so long. Theh had a chance to meet family spend time at home. They took it.
 
If Indian fans are getting upset about key players leaving their team then it is a good thing for IPL.

It shows fans care about their team and want to win. This will only help IPL grow stronger in future.

I don’t see a problem with fans getting upset, on the contrary I believe it is a good thing for IPL.
 
Tbh even the key Indian players should have rested from the final leg of the tournament. The squad of 15 should have been released and asked to join a camp, IPL has enough domestic talent to keep going till the end.
 
That will reduce the chances of producing half decent test cricketers. Everyone will start practicing slogging as you don't have to bat for half a day. You just have to slog for 20 balls. You are a "talent". Eventually teams will be filled with low quality sloggers with power of bowlers completely taken away.
I agree that will destroy beauty of the sport, but haven’t we already? Hasn’t ODI become a run fest anyway? They have already taken the charm out of ODI cricket, might as well kill it now.
 
they are sour because they have gotten use to getting their way with every thing regarding cricket. its not their fault its all the other teams that were letting them get their way for so long
 
Tbh even the key Indian players should have rested from the final leg of the tournament. The squad of 15 should have been released and asked to join a camp, IPL has enough domestic talent to keep going till the end.

Forget about T20. Atleast this has some kind of continuity. I remember India played their missed 5th test right after IPL, they played first WTC final right after IPL, THey played second WTC final right after IPL. Opposition had thorough test preparation. They don't even care about tests being impacted by IPL. Why would they care about world T20.
 
I think its only fair if IPL bans english players. How dare they disrespect IPL? I am sure BCCI, the world’s richest all powerful board wont let this slide. Ban for 5 years or BCCI doesnt have spine. :ba
 
Why are they upset?

1: They think IPL is working because they are getting the best foreign players to come and play in this league and think that IPL might fail without them. Is that the reason?

2: They are upset because English players left IPL to play a series against "PAKISTAN". I think that is the real reason.
 
Why are they upset?

1: They think IPL is working because they are getting the best foreign players to come and play in this league and think that IPL might fail without them. Is that the reason?

2: They are upset because English players left IPL to play a series against "PAKISTAN". I think that is the real reason.

I don't think owners are upset. Only 3 players are going to be in the last 4. Buttler, Salt either Moeen or Jacks. That's it. Other teams are already out of the race. Buttler and Salt are their best players. So franchise doesn't care.
 
Ireland had no issue Josh little not playing and watching rain :) NZ had no issue with their players missing. England also has no issue. It is purely Buttler's call as per Rob key. ECB never enforced their players to come back. So there won't be any tussle between ECB and BCCI.
 
Why are Indians upset English players are leaving to play for their national team ahead of T20 World Cup?

Do they think a domestic t20 tournament is bigger??

Why are they upset?

1: They think IPL is working because they are getting the best foreign players to come and play in this league and think that IPL might fail without them. Is that the reason?

2: They are upset because English players left IPL to play a series against "PAKISTAN". I think that is the real reason.
I think the reasoning is simple. The fans seem to be very passionate about their teams and the league. Only that will trigger people to be upset. The reaction is hardly surprising given the success and following of IPL. Reactions seem to be from the fans and not the owners. That bodes very well for IPL.

Another take on this is also simple. The reason fans are upset is same as when PSL fans were upset when Pollard left PSL to attend a wedding. The same reasoning can be used here. Whatever that is.
 
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Money has gotten to their head. It’s all good. After they are humiliated in New York City they will be humbled and be back to “yes sir” “no sir”
Interesting take. So you are saying things in cricket will change starting end of June? Who is taking over from the BCCI?
 
Why are Indians upset English players are leaving to play for their national team ahead of T20 World Cup?

Do they think a domestic t20 tournament is bigger??
Ego triggered. They are coping with showing arrogance.
 
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Players get paid on pro rata basis.

Usually BCCI and the teams know well in advance, before the auction, which players will be available and till when.

Ofcourse there may be some last minute withdrawals.

So if ECB had already conveyed to the BCCI about player availability, i don't see any issues here.

But if ECB tried to pull some kind of a stunt here, BCCI usually makes it a point to give it back. CSA has received it in the past.
I remember this one. I think it was Haroon Lorgat vs the BCCI.
 
They have every right to be angry ( and it pains me saying this as disagreeing with Indians makes me happy).

The IPL teams had a strategy based on certain players. They select players based on their availability and compensate boards like the ECB for the players that are selected.

The ECB shouldn't just change the arrangement by arranging a last minute series ( i dont think this was agreed with the IPL teams beforehand but could be wrong).

This series has been in the schedule since the FTP was announced in 2022.
 
The break up of the Big 3 has commenced. ECB really slapped BCCI with this move!

Of course once the PSL starts during the same window as the IPL, we may see similar moves like this.

BCCI's reign on international Cricket ended up being a blip.

It's over! (Pun full intended)
 
I don't think owners are upset. Only 3 players are going to be in the last 4. Buttler, Salt either Moeen or Jacks. That's it. Other teams are already out of the race. Buttler and Salt are their best players. So franchise doesn't care.

Owners have no choice , England players want to be ready for T20 World Cup & Pakistan is always a big series .

Some ex players & fans ranting don’t come only makes them look foolish .

Everyone wants more but England players earn enough , they know their legacy will be winning series & tournaments for their country , not because of hitting a 6 out of the ground on a road in Chennai with the ball falling on a samosa venders trolley.
 
The break up of the Big 3 has commenced. ECB really slapped BCCI with this move!

Of course once the PSL starts during the same window as the IPL, we may see similar moves like this.

BCCI's reign on international Cricket ended up being a blip.

It's over! (Pun full intended)

Ever since BCCI been begging ICC for handouts and Pakistan matches in ICC tournies, they are no longer able to wag their 1.5 inch tails. Other boards treat them like their doormats to. Now all Indian fans have is their beloved IPL and foreign players treat that like a paid first class flying experience, because the best thing about the whole thing is the plane ride (especially the return flight) and nothing else.
 
Few pointers from me on this topic:

1. Indians are upset with English players leaving is an exaggerated title as only Irfan Pathan & Gavaskar raised this concern. So based on the opinion on these two former players and perhaps few people on twitter, I won't generalize as 'Indians are upset'.

2. Even though almost English players were failed spectacularly in this IPL, the beauty of franchise sport is team manager chalks out plan based on the resources they have been given. Now if suddenly players starts pulling out when critical knock out games are approaching, it derails their overall plan. If I were Rajasthan Royals coach I have all the right to be unhappy that Jos Butler leaves during eliminator and they have to find a new opener.

3. National duty comes first is a myth that has been propagated here. We just saw how NZ players this season or SA/WI or even Aussie players in the past gave a laath (kick) to that logic and choose IPL. The point is cricketers don't represent their country per se but rather their cricket board. Indian players plays for BCCI, Pak for PCB, Englsh for ECB so on and so forth and gets paid in return. They national tag is attached to give it a more emotional touch but at the end of the day every sports person plays for money. If IPL pays them more, they have all the right to choose their franchise over their cricket board. You simply can't question their patriotism then. There is a reason Karim Benzema was practicing for Real Madrid when France was busy preparing for World cup final.

4. IPL gets a window from ICC where boards whose players are participating should not organize international matches. If this series was organized as a last minute thing and BCCI was not privy to it, that will be dealt accordingly.

5. IPL also has to take some blame for running a tournament for 3 month. You can totally understand why players would feel fatigued and want to return home at the first call. The tournament should not be more than 45 days in my view.

6. Last but not the least, it is 2024 and Pak players are still banned in the daddy league :(

:kp
 
6. Last but not the least, it is 2024 and Pak players are still banned in the daddy league :(
What the hell do you know! Once the PCB starts organising PSL during the same window as IPL, international players will flock in droves towards the former leaving the latter to dust. Anyone with sense can smell the death of IPL, and with it the crippling of the BCCI.
 
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Few pointers from me on this topic:

1. Indians are upset with English players leaving is an exaggerated title as only Irfan Pathan & Gavaskar raised this concern. So based on the opinion on these two former players and perhaps few people on twitter, I won't generalize as 'Indians are upset'.

2. Even though almost English players were failed spectacularly in this IPL, the beauty of franchise sport is team manager chalks out plan based on the resources they have been given. Now if suddenly players starts pulling out when critical knock out games are approaching, it derails their overall plan. If I were Rajasthan Royals coach I have all the right to be unhappy that Jos Butler leaves during eliminator and they have to find a new opener.

3. National duty comes first is a myth that has been propagated here. We just saw how NZ players this season or SA/WI or even Aussie players in the past gave a laath (kick) to that logic and choose IPL. The point is cricketers don't represent their country per se but rather their cricket board. Indian players plays for BCCI, Pak for PCB, Englsh for ECB so on and so forth and gets paid in return. They national tag is attached to give it a more emotional touch but at the end of the day every sports person plays for money. If IPL pays them more, they have all the right to choose their franchise over their cricket board. You simply can't question their patriotism then. There is a reason Karim Benzema was practicing for Real Madrid when France was busy preparing for World cup final.

4. IPL gets a window from ICC where boards whose players are participating should not organize international matches. If this series was organized as a last minute thing and BCCI was not privy to it, that will be dealt accordingly.

5. IPL also has to take some blame for running a tournament for 3 month. You can totally understand why players would feel fatigued and want to return home at the first call. The tournament should not be more than 45 days in my view.

6. Last but not the least, it is 2024 and Pak players are still banned in the daddy league :(

:kp

1. A single person is an Indian, but a group of them are Indians.

2. When franchises sign players, they need to consider the players' national duties; it's not as if this series came out of nowhere.

3. Prioritizing representing your country over participating in another country's lollypop league isn't a myth.

4. Refer to point 2.

5. I agree that the IPL shouldn't occupy a window covering a quarter of the year's international matches, as this harms international cricket. It wouldn't be surprising if this is done deliberately.

6. It might be a prestigious league for Indians, but without the money, it's just an ordinary league with nothing special.
 
I think its only fair if IPL bans english players. How dare they disrespect IPL? I am sure BCCI, the world’s richest all powerful board wont let this slide. Ban for 5 years or BCCI doesnt have spine. :ba

English players didn't play couple of seasons of IPL. After that English players made a deal with ECB to release them for the IPL.
 
It makes you wonder then why Gavaskar started playing the nationalist card. What a fool he is.

Gavaskar has lost his mojo as a commentator long time. He is 75 now and should retire. Eveyday you will find some obnoxious statement from him. I normally mute when he is on comm box. And if he is doing commentary along with Manjeraker, then I switch of the tv completely. So what Gavaskar says must be taken with a pinch of salt.

As far as Pathan is concerned, he has got a big fan army in twitter. So he mostly caters to them and tweet what they want to hear.
 
It makes you wonder then why Gavaskar started playing the nationalist card. What a fool he is.

He said if players leave mid season their should be a financial penalty. Its already a pro rata contract.

Unless there is something that media isn't reporting, I don't what the issue is.
 
Gavaskar has lost his mojo as a commentator long time. He is 75 now and should retire. Eveyday you will find some obnoxious statement from him. I normally mute when he is on comm box. And if he is doing commentary along with Manjeraker, then I switch of the tv completely. So what Gavaskar says must be taken with a pinch of salt.

As far as Pathan is concerned, he has got a big fan army in twitter. So he mostly caters to them and tweet what they want to hear.

Pathan is half a politician now. His brother is a full time one. Take his comments with a sack of salt.

Gavaskar is usually well informed regards to all these stuff. He served a season as IPL chief. I am surprised he made this comment.
 
If Indians are not happy they will just avoid English players in the future…
I don’t see that happening.

Franchises will continue to pick solid English T20players irrespective of their availability. Because quite simply there are not many quality players around the world at the moment.
 
How do you know if Indians are upset? And if they are, why would it be for this reason?

Most of them are keen on watching RCB vs CSK game.
 
It's all on twitter bro

Irfan pathan made a tweet too
Only relevant franchise owners may be upset. Especially Royals as he is one of the key components for Royals. Buttler has scored over 3000 runs for the Royals over the year. Salt will be missed. But their team is too strong. RCB will miss Jacks. But they are not even qualified yet. The only reason you see such posts is because some Pakistan journalists to get Twitter impressions, needle Indians with posts like English players prefer Pakistan to IPL. In reality, their absence is relevant only for 2 teams.
 
Only relevant franchise owners may be upset. Especially Royals as he is one of the key components for Royals. Buttler has scored over 3000 runs for the Royals over the year. Salt will be missed. But their team is too strong. RCB will miss Jacks. But they are not even qualified yet. The only reason you see such posts is because some Pakistan journalists to get Twitter impressions, needle Indians with posts like English players prefer Pakistan to IPL. In reality, their absence is relevant only for 2 teams.
I don't know why the pakistani journalist is getting the blame when irfan pathan who I belive is an indian made the twitter post and also sunio gavaskar said something too

I understand irfan pathan that he has to prove his loyalty with india on every given opportunity but why gavaskar?
 
Seems BCCI and teams knew all along when English players will leave. This is a non issue.
Seems like a hysteria has been whipped up by some BCCI stooges then. They presented the argument in a way that made England look at fault.

The board can now stay quiet while it's stooges like Gavaskar can take cracks on twitters.

It's a clever marketing stunt - pretend the whites have shafted the league and get the Indian patriots to do their nationalistic duty and support the IPL more.

I should have trusted my instincts before listening to this cheap shill Gavaskar.
 
I don't know why the pakistani journalist is getting the blame when irfan pathan who I belive is an indian made the twitter post and also sunio gavaskar said something too

I understand irfan pathan that he has to prove his loyalty with india on every given opportunity but why gavaskar?
Irfan pathan needles them as well. So he is not representation of Indian fans.
 
Seems like a hysteria has been whipped up by some BCCI stooges then. They presented the argument in a way that made England look at fault.

The board can now stay quiet while it's stooges like Gavaskar can take cracks on twitters.

It's a clever marketing stunt - pretend the whites have shafted the league and get the Indian patriots to do their nationalistic duty and support the IPL more.

I should have trusted my instincts before listening to this cheap shill Gavaskar.

Gavaskar actually made a different point. Regards to financial penalty if you leave in between.

Its the likes of Pathan who are trying to whip up a controversy.

As i said, unless ECB pulled off some last minute stunt, looks unlikely as of now, this is a non issue.
 
Gavaskar has lost his mojo as a commentator long time. He is 75 now and should retire. Eveyday you will find some obnoxious statement from him. I normally mute when he is on comm box. And if he is doing commentary along with Manjeraker, then I switch of the tv completely. So what Gavaskar says must be taken with a pinch of salt.

As far as Pathan is concerned, he has got a big fan army in twitter. So he mostly caters to them and tweet what they want to hear.
Gavaskar has lost his mojo because he is 75? Even Modi will turn 75 next year and we have started hearing obnoxious statements from him already. :kp :inti
 
Next year mega auction is coming up. Team budget likely to increase so lets see where They take stand as IPL franchise are only interested if they Play full IPL.
 
England players earning form IPL is so huge that they can organised a PSL session with their salary

They are not welcome in India, so they won't play among themselves, as they already have the T20 Blast for that.

The PSL is the next best option if Indians do not want the English players.
 
Next year mega auction is coming up. Team budget likely to increase so lets see where They take stand as IPL franchise are only interested if they Play full IPL.
What will players do if their boards don't permit them to play when they are on national duty? Give up international cricket for the IPL? 🤣
 
Money has gotten to their head. It’s all good. After they are humiliated in New York City they will be humbled and be back to “yes sir” “no sir”
India ain't get bankrupt due a match, why would they go back.
 
They are not welcome in India, so they won't play among themselves, as they already have the T20 Blast for that.

The PSL is the next best option if Indians do not want the English players.
PSL doesn't even came in top 5 cricket league in the world when its come to player salary
1. IPL
2.ILT20
3.South Africa T20 league
4. BBL
5. The hundred
 
Indians sometimes take the IPL too seriously, ordinary tournament where even a washed up Rille Rossouw who couldnt buy a run has found form, Narine has reinvented himself as an opener and Travis head is still mauling those bowlers for what seems like 2 years now. Just a bit of hit and giggle, nothing more.
 
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