Why are the Kiwis called "The Nicest Guys" in cricket?

[BunnyRabbit]

They have been providing green tops for all the visiting team and bullying them eversince Williamson took over. Why are they living in a facade of being the nicest guys?
Under McCullum and Taylor, you could agree they were providing balanced tracks to all of the visiting teams, now since 2016, they have been making green tops in Tests. Even back in 2016, we got one of the most greenish wicket for the first test.

We should prepare rank turners like India in UAE when they visit us next.We have been way too generous in providing standard flat tracks in UAE for all the visiting teams. It should be us who should be known as the nicest guys.

 

[Suleiman]

Because nice guys finish last, as NZ usually do in tournaments.

 

[Snatch]

We should prepare rank turners like India in UAE when they visit us next.

What garbage, you do and have produced turners in the UAE, that's how you managed to beat Aust 3-0 last time they toured for tests, and then you managed to draw with NZ 1-1 last time they toured.

I don't remember seeing any green tracks there, just dung-heaps taking turn.

 

[Snatch]

Because nice guys finish last, as NZ usually do in tournaments.

Actually you're showing your ignorance there, because if there's any trends from NZ in world tournaments over the years, it's that they're perennial semi-finalists.. the criticism that should be aimed at them is not going all the way, but to pretend they normally come last is showing your ignorance.

I might be wrong on this, but i think NZ have made more semi-finals in cricket world cups than any other side.

 

[Aman]

We don't even prepare green tops lmao, we prepare wickets which are green for a day and a session and we usually end up batting on it anyway to make games competitive

Actually you're showing your ignorance there, because if there's any trends from NZ in world tournaments over the years, it's that they're perennial semi-finalists.. the criticism that should be aimed at them is not going all the way, but to pretend they normally come last is showing your ignorance.

I might be wrong on this, but i think NZ have made more semi-finals in cricket world cups than any other side.

We're third when it comes to matches won in the WC.

But nah we're last because a country of 4m can't win a WC when the mighty Pakistan with a population of 200m only has one more ICC trophy than us.

 

[babajee]

Actually you're showing your ignorance there, because if there's any trends from NZ in world tournaments over the years, it's that they're perennial semi-finalists.. the criticism that should be aimed at them is not going all the way, but to pretend they normally come last is showing your ignorance.

I might be wrong on this, but i think NZ have made more semi-finals in cricket world cups than any other side.

Are you proud of this? LMAO. Minnow mentality.

 

[Aman]

Are you proud of this? LMAO. Minnow mentality.

You've lost something like the last 12 games straight to us and were fighting for a WC spot a while back. If I were you I wouldn't be calling other teams minnows.

 

[babajee]

You've lost something like the last 12 games straight to us and were fighting for a WC spot a while back. If I were you I wouldn't be calling other teams minnows.

We still aren’t content with “making a semi final” as though it’s some kind of achievement.

Well done on your 12 game streak. Hope it continues

 

[Aman]

We still aren’t content with “making a semi final” as though it’s some kind of achievement.

Well done on your 12 game streak. Hope it continues

I'm realistic, generally we've overachieved to make a Semi and then are usually eliminated by a better team.

IIRC we've made 3 Finals and lost two of them to to very strong Australian teams.

 

[Aman]

They have been providing green tops for all the visiting team and bullying them eversince Williamson took over. Why are they living in a facade of being the nicest guys?
Under McCullum and Taylor, you could agree they were providing balanced tracks to all of the visiting teams, now since 2016, they have been making green tops in Tests. Even back in 2016, we got one of the most greenish wicket for the first test.

We should prepare rank turners like India in UAE when they visit us next.We have been way too generous in providing standard flat tracks in UAE for all the visiting teams. It should be us who should be known as the nicest guys.

Those are preferable as I can't see us taking 20 wickets without them.

 

[Snatch]

Are you proud of this? LMAO. Minnow mentality.

C'mon buddy, at least save your cheap insults to a time when you're not just on the back of an absolutely humiliating 5-0 defeat, by the side you're desperately trying to rubbish. LMAO.

Cringe-worthy performance.

Hate to rub salt further into the wound for you, but as Aman points out, not only is NZ's population just 4 million vs. 200 million in Pakistan, but cricket isn't even very big here in NZ.

Rugby is NZ's national game and we're back to back world champions and by far the greatest Rugby team in history, with a winning record against all opposition. Cricket is relatively minor in comparison, but that doesn't stop our team smashing yours 5-0, and i think it's something like 10 games back to back.

No wonder you're hurting

 

[babajee]

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Firstly any sort of population advantage we have is negated by the corrupt and nepotistic system in place.

Secondly it’s more about the first class setup which develops international players. You guys have a professional setup which can develop players. Most of the raw talent in our country is never developed. As they say, talent isn’t enough. You need proper coaching and guidance in order to reach the top.

We may have a larger talent pool but it is not being utilised at all.

 

[English August]

"Nice guys" description has nothing to do with the pitches. It's just that they're easygoing kind of people who don't take themselves too seriously. Small nation, very prosperous and not too involved in world politics.

Their approach to cricket reflects their attitude to life.

 

[aloo paratha]

Are you proud of this? LMAO. Minnow mentality.

He's right. They are better than us.

 

[volcyz]

How many Semifinals has Pakistan made?

One fluke WC win over 20 years ago still giving people something to brag about.
Even Sri Lankan can say they won one too and West Indies too, where are they now?

Pakistan’s one day side is a joke particularly in the batting department with its archaic batting.
One flue win over India in the finals does not mean much, particularly when Pakistan feels weirdly quite at home In England.

 

[Aman]

[MENTION=142156]Snatch[/MENTION] [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION]

Firstly any sort of population advantage we have is negated by the corrupt and nepotistic system in place.

Secondly it’s more about the first class setup which develops international players. You guys have a professional setup which can develop players. Most of the raw talent in our country is never developed. As they say, talent isn’t enough. You need proper coaching and guidance in order to reach the top, there are players who had average domestic careers or couldn't make Super Rugby sides that are playing for England, Australia, Ireland, Scotland etc.

We may have a larger talent pool but it is not being utilised at all.

If NZ had a population of 200m and could get the best, we could probably field 3 or 4 international standard sides. We can do that in rugby easily.

The problem in NZ is generally the talented kids here choose rugby or league, which leaves the rest in an already small talent pool.

 

[Snatch]

The problem in NZ is generally the talented kids here choose rugby or league, which leaves the rest in an already small talent pool.

And you're forgetting Olympics sports many of NZ's top athletes end up in like Rowing, Sailing, Cycling, Swimming, Triathlon, Canoeing & Athletics to name a few.

 

[Aman]

And you're forgetting Olympics sports many of NZ's top athletes end up in like Rowing, Sailing, Cycling, Swimming, Thiathlon, Canoeing & Athletics to name a few.

Israel Dagg was clocking 140kph+ as a 16 year old lmao...

He would have been far more useful to the Black Caps than ABs....

 

[babajee]

If NZ had a population of 200m and could get the best, we could probably field 3 or 4 international standard sides. We can do that in rugby easily.

The problem in NZ is generally the talented kids here choose rugby or league, which leaves the rest in an already small talent pool.

If Pakistan had a population of 1.3 billion or 4 million or 10 million there would hardly be a difference. There’s no professional set up that can develop players into international standard.

So enough of this population argument. England don’t moan about their 53 million population when they play India which has a 1.3 million population with cricket being the main sport.

 

[Snatch]

Israel Dagg was clocking 140kph+ as a 16 year old lmao...

He would have been far more useful to the Black Caps than ABs....

Correct and Chris Cairns having made NZ rugby age-groups teams probably would have been lost to rugby too had his old man not been a cricketing legend.

 

[Sadevdesai]

Probably because they are very good hosts !!!!!

 

[BunnyRabbit]

What garbage, you do and have produced turners in the UAE, that's how you managed to beat Aust 3-0 last time they toured for tests, and then you managed to draw with NZ 1-1 last time they toured.

I don't remember seeing any green tracks there, just dung-heaps taking turn.

Learn the terms bro. Those were standard batting tracks who would only start spinning late day 4 and 5. Otherwise you don't just score 500 and 600 easily. None of the pitches in UAE has been a rank turner. On rank turners, the ball starts turning from day 1. The pitches Bangladesh have produced for Test series against England and Australia have been rank turners, what India produced in Pune against Australia was a rank turner. The pitches India used against England in Test series were standard batting wickets.

 

[Snatch]

Learn the terms bro. Those were standard batting tracks who would only start spinning late day 4 and 5. Otherwise you don't just score 500 and 600 easily. None of the pitches in UAE has been a rank turner. On rank turners, the ball starts turning from day 1. The pitches Bangladesh have produced for Test series against England and Australia have been rank turners, what India produced in Pune against Australia was a rank turner. The pitches India used against England in Test series were standard batting wickets.

Well Mark Craig (a very average NZ spinners) cleaned up there, that's all I know. And that series was 1-1 (and could have been 2-1 to NZ considering they had the better of the 2nd test).

 

[Buffet]

Pitch has nothing to do with this supposed 'nice' tag.

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

NZ generally punch above their weight in various sports. Cricket seems to be one of them. The "nicest guys" tag is reserved for them due to their sportsmanship and largley no-sledging attitude when it comes to on the field behaviour. Their players are down to earth and dont make aggressive claims against the opposition. Their performance as a cricket team in world cups has nothing to do with it.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Well Mark Craig (a very average NZ spinners) cleaned up there, that's all I know. And that series was 1-1 (and could have been 2-1 to NZ considering they had the better of the 2nd test).

Mark Craig bowled very well in that Test particularly. Pakistan played very poorly the day after Hughes death as well. On the same wicket, BMAC scored a vicious double and Kane score 192 at a very good strike rate. It certainly wasnt rank turner.
The second Test was even till the last delivery was bowled. It could have gone either way.

 

[Abdul]

You've lost something like the last 12 games straight to us and were fighting for a WC spot a while back. If I were you I wouldn't be calling other teams minnows.

Good answer for shutting his mouth.

 

[MeanAndGreen]

What garbage, you do and have produced turners in the UAE, that's how you managed to beat Aust 3-0 last time they toured for tests, and then you managed to draw with NZ 1-1 last time they toured.

I don't remember seeing any green tracks there, just dung-heaps taking turn.

Those were the furthest thing from turners, absolute sponge-beds for the first 4 days thats why any team that won the toss ended up with the match. UAE provides anything but a home advantage - just a safety net for our dud batsmen so if they elect to bat first they don't lose the match.

 

[MeanAndGreen]

They're called nice guys because they truly adopt the spirit of the game, especially when McCullum was captain. You could see this as a viewer; they elect to walk, no sledging, appreciating the opposition and generally play hard but with a smile on their face. Not to mention they have a superb group of talented cricketers who I hope lift the 2019 WC after PAK.

Also, their wickets are anything but green as well lol, our club-level batters just made it seem so.

 

[MeanAndGreen]

If NZ had a population of 200m and could get the best, we could probably field 3 or 4 international standard sides. We can do that in rugby easily.

The problem in NZ is generally the talented kids here choose rugby or league, which leaves the rest in an already small talent pool.

Theres a reason why PAK can still win CT and get to No.1 test rank despite not being able to play at home, losing best players to bans and having the worst board in world cricket.

 

[pakistanisgreat]

I always has soft corner and a lot of respect of NZ.

However, they have not achieve what we have achieved and produced in cricket field so far. The reason i am saying is, our structure is worse, our board is corrupted, our players involved in match fixing, there is no cricket in our home country. I bet if any other country has faced these challenges they would not even survive a single day.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

They're called nice guys because they truly adopt the spirit of the game, especially when McCullum was captain. You could see this as a viewer; they elect to walk, no sledging, appreciating the opposition and generally play hard but with a smile on their face. Not to mention they have a superb group of talented cricketers who I hope lift the 2019 WC after PAK.

Also, their wickets are anything but green as well lol, our club-level batters just made it seem so.

Yes definitely, when Mccullum was at the helm, they certainly were the nicest guys in cricket. They even used to provide flat tracks for Tests, look at the series against India in 2014, the series against Australia in 2016. We were I guess the first one who were given such lush green tops in Test series back in 2016. Against Bangladesh, they reverted back to standard NZ wickets with lots of runs in it.

 

[Space Cat]

Im still nice you guys even it you are our bunnies now.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

They all are 'nice' behaved

 

[Bhaijaan]

The thing that is to be loved about the kiwis is that they never seem to get involved in needless of controversies on and off the field. They play the game as hard as anyone minus all the tantrums players and officials of many other nations tend to throw regularly. I discussed the same with my cousin while watching India play New Zealand recently when they toured us. The matches were all great to watch, no over the top statements by players or ex players in the media, no needless confrontations on field. Just quality cricket and played in the best spirit.

Compare this to India vs Pakistan where people are busy fighting who's daddy to whom, ex players talking about mughal rule etc. Just a lot of monkey business that should have no place in sports.

 

[asfandyar]

Jesse Ryder was the last not-nice player they had.

 

[Hasan123]

They always follow spirit of the game and are rarely involved in any controversy. Also there players are always committed in the field regardless of there talent.

 

[Markhor]

Well we had the wood over New Zealand in the 1990s and 2000s. I guess this is payback.

Enjoy it while it lasts Kiwis.

 

[OmarKhan99]

How many Semifinals has Pakistan made?

One fluke WC win over 20 years ago still giving people something to brag about.
Even Sri Lankan can say they won one too and West Indies too, where are they now?

Pakistan’s one day side is a joke particularly in the batting department with its archaic batting.
One flue win over India in the finals does not mean much, particularly when Pakistan feels weirdly quite at home In England.

I like how you have to use fluke everytime you describe Pak's wins. Just speaks volumes of what you have to justify or sensiblize our "magical" wins. I guess you also forgot to mention all the previous matches we had to win to make it to the final were also "flukes".

I really have no idea how and why this thread has devolved into Pak vs Nz, but I still wanted to reply to particular comment. I have to admit, Nz is playing better than us at the moment...But the champions will seek redemption.

 

[Robert]

They have been providing green tops for all the visiting team and bullying them eversince Williamson took over. Why are they living in a facade of being the nicest guys?
Under McCullum and Taylor, you could agree they were providing balanced tracks to all of the visiting teams, now since 2016, they have been making green tops in Tests. Even back in 2016, we got one of the most greenish wicket for the first test.

That’s the standard type of wicket there. They don’t prepare greentops, the greentops just are.

 

[Sachin136]

What do pitches have to do with players being nice on the field?

 

[barah_admi]

What garbage, you do and have produced turners in the UAE, that's how you managed to beat Aust 3-0 last time they toured for tests, and then you managed to draw with NZ 1-1 last time they toured.

I don't remember seeing any green tracks there, just dung-heaps taking turn.

You didnt watch the cricket if you think there were rank turners. I have the pitches in the UAE are out of the PCBs hands anyway, as the ICC seems to prepare them, or at least that was the case a while back.

Rank turners are what you see in Bang and in a couple of venues, famously Pune, in India.

 

[barah_admi]

Btw, I think this is a tongue in cheek thread. OP isnt accusing the kiwis of being evil lol

 

[BunnyRabbit]

That’s the standard type of wicket there. They don’t prepare greentops, the greentops just are.

That wasn't the case till a few years back. The 2014 series against India, there were very flat tracks. India almost chased 400 in the fourth innings if it wasn't for Wagner's brilliance. Even in 2015 series against SL, there were double centuries and 500 totals.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Btw, I think this is a tongue in cheek thread. OP isnt accusing the kiwis of being evil lol

LOL, finally someone sees through it.

 

[Rana]

They are secretly biased

 

[shane]

It is hard to dislike them really. Actually, the fact that they are nice probably makes defeat against them even harder to swallow.

 

[jaf348]

Williamson is one of the nicest guys in cricket that you could possibly come across. I remember him donating his match fees for the whole ODI series a few years ago to the survivors and families of the victims of the Peshawar massacre.

 

[Robert]

That wasn't the case till a few years back. The 2014 series against India, there were very flat tracks. India almost chased 400 in the fourth innings if it wasn't for Wagner's brilliance. Even in 2015 series against SL, there were double centuries and 500 totals.

Sure it has. Every NZ wicket Hadlee bowled on was green. They might have had a couple of hot summers recently but every Anglo-NZ series I can remember has been affected by rain. The Gatting tour lost about half the play.

 

[shaz619]

England are the nicest guys, mainly because of Stokes and especially Joe Root he was very nice towards the Aussies recently

 

[shaz619]

Im still nice you guys even it you are our bunnies now.

Will you vanish for another millenium the next time you get spanked by Pak in an ICC tournie

 

[Space Cat]

Will you vanish for another millenium the next time you get spanked by Pak in an ICC tournie

Well yes i will be dead from old age by time it happens again.

 

[shaz619]

Well yes i will be dead from old age by time it happens again.

History would not agree with you kitty, but you probably will be dead if NZ manage to defeat Pak when it counts for once