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pillionrider said:
DK was in rowdy-mode earlier today saying something like - if we're given the directions, doesn't matter if there are thousands of policemen protecting these hideaway MLAs....

He seemed confident majority of them wouldn't follow Scindia. Let's see what happens.
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lol.

What's your take on him?

As for Scindia, if this flops, that dude is screwed. Or maybe he might come back to Congress later. Dunno about the dynamics.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
lol.

What's your take on him?

As for Scindia, if this flops, that dude is screwed. Or maybe he might come back to Congress later. Dunno about the dynamics.
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He's the muscle of the Congress. His corruption is overhyped by BJP fans due to him pouring cold water on Amit Shah's bald head earlier.

There are some housing scams etc - basically getting projects turned in the direction of his family. A lot of his wealth (which, unlike richer corrupt BJP leaders he actually declares) is through the legitimate real estate boom that happened here. They're land owning people and he made smart bets in the late '90s and early 2000s.

Personally, I don't care if a politician is corrupt so long as he's doing some decent work. For example Gadkari.

Very active from student politics days, DK is basically an RSS guy who happens to be in the Congress and who doesn't let his religion affect his politics.
 
pillionrider said:
Apparently, Schindia was considered, but he was able to muster up support of only under 20 MLAs. Problem with these older guys is, if you don't appease them, they'll walk away with majority of the elected MLAs.

Happened to the BJP in Karnataka when Yeddyurappa walked away and dented the BJP's vote share in the next elections. Once he was appeased, he returned and brought back with him the Lingayat vote.
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This is very true.

We all say give chance to young turks. However we forget that power is game of numbers. The one who has them, will get the throne.

Scindia had 23 MLAs as his supporters at the time of MP assembly elections in '18. 15 months later, he couldn't even retain all of them, with only 20 MLAs with him now, out of which most are not keen to join sanghis. How would he have handled the MP CMship?
 
MP2011 said:
Did this really happen, lol? Couldn't have happened to a nicer man...
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:)) Would have been a great sight. I meant it figuratively.

First in Gujarat he hid away 40 odd MLAs Shah was trying to poach.

Then in Karnataka they tried Operation Kamal and this was a massive humiliation for Shah as he trew his whole weight at the state, but DK took the MLAs in buses, even standing guard on the footboard as it passed through tollgates etc. He went on to physically (almost by the neck) bring in Anand Singh on the day of the floor test. And JDS-Cong were able to form a government. It's a different matter that the government eventually fell due to internal bickering and DK being kept busy by the ED. But still, at the time, Shah was given a cold water bath while wearing his bare minimums.
 
pillionrider said:
:)) Would have been a great sight. I meant it figuratively.

First in Gujarat he hid away 40 odd MLAs Shah was trying to poach.

Then in Karnataka they tried Operation Kamal and this was a massive humiliation for Shah as he trew his whole weight at the state, but DK took the MLAs in buses, even standing guard on the footboard as it passed through tollgates etc. He went on to physically (almost by the neck) bring in Anand Singh on the day of the floor test. And JDS-Cong were able to form a government. It's a different matter that the government eventually fell due to internal bickering and DK being kept busy by the ED. But still, at the time, Shah was given a cold water bath while wearing his bare minimums.
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I see, lol.

Coming to DK, its a great decision by Congress, finally! He has been a great asset for Congress in Karnataka and elsewhere. Ahmed Patel owes his RS membership to DK, entirely. He won that election by a whisker despite motabhai summoning all his might to defeat his bete noire.

As you rightly said, had he not been kept 'buys' by ED, JDS-Congress probably won't have fallen. A part of this mongrel probably comes from his early days in sangh, lol.
 
And this guy has such a great command over both Hindi & English...
 
MP2011 said:
Great article this by Yogendra Yadav...

https://theprint.in/opinion/congres...-and-standing-in-way-of-defeating-bjp/378971/

Every time I read/hear this guy I'm flabbergasted, how could Kejriwal let go of a guy like Yadav. May be this guy is probably too much of an idealist, not fit for today's toxic politics...
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He's a great speaker but somehow I've never been able to reconcile that stylish muffler or whatever with the socialist principles he flaunts.

CricketCartoons said:
I have proof of his corruption. Solid proof.
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What the ... :))
 
pillionrider said:
He's a great speaker but somehow I've never been able to reconcile that stylish muffler or whatever with the socialist principles he flaunts.
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Yeah that's why I said, too much of an idealist, not fit for today's politics....Muffler, well.....
 
pillionrider said:
He's a great speaker but somehow I've never been able to reconcile that stylish muffler or whatever with the socialist principles he flaunts.
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It is common knowledge among those who joined AAP during the initial days. Ask anyone who joined AAP only to quit it within a year.
 
pillionrider said:
He's the muscle of the Congress. His corruption is overhyped by BJP fans due to him pouring cold water on Amit Shah's bald head earlier.

There are some housing scams etc - basically getting projects turned in the direction of his family. A lot of his wealth (which, unlike richer corrupt BJP leaders he actually declares) is through the legitimate real estate boom that happened here. They're land owning people and he made smart bets in the late '90s and early 2000s.

Personally, I don't care if a politician is corrupt so long as he's doing some decent work. For example Gadkari.

Very active from student politics days, DK is basically an RSS guy who happens to be in the Congress and who doesn't let his religion affect his politics.
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Totally agree.

If someone can produce results, a bit of corruption is no big deal.

After all, political parties can't run without corruption anyways.

MP2011 said:
This is very true.

We all say give chance to young turks. However we forget that power is game of numbers. The one who has them, will get the throne.

Scindia had 23 MLAs as his supporters at the time of MP assembly elections in '18. 15 months later, he couldn't even retain all of them, with only 20 MLAs with him now, out of which most are not keen to join sanghis. How would he have handled the MP CMship?
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True.

But at the same time, you have to create an environment which allows everyone to thrive so that the winner gets rewarded appropriately.

Right now, Congress is like a classroom were the topper (who has some unfair advantages) is getting 45 while others are getting 25. Sure the topper deserves to be called as one...but it's meaningless when toppers from other class get 80.

Congress could have easily set clear targets and deliverables so that evereyone knows what they need to do to get XYZ post.

The MP fiasco has jolted Congress (atleast a bit) and now they would realize they need to take clear concrete steps to sort out issues. Allowing the status quo to continue is pointless.
 
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sensible-indian-fan said:
True.

But at the same time, you have to create an environment which allows everyone to thrive so that the winner gets rewarded appropriately.

Right now, Congress is like a classroom were the topper (who has some unfair advantages) is getting 45 while others are getting 25. Sure the topper deserves to be called as one...but it's meaningless when toppers from other class get 80.

Congress could have easily set clear targets and deliverables so that evereyone knows what they need to do to get XYZ post.

The MP fiasco has jolted Congress (atleast a bit) and now they would realize they need to take clear concrete steps to sort out issues. Allowing the status quo to continue is pointless.
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What you're essentially talking about is how a corporate structure works, or at least supposed to work. I don't think Indian polity is mature enough as yet to function like a corporate. And the kind of politics sanghis do, don't think we'll be there in foreseeable future at least.

As for Congress, I think they need few more jolts like this one so that they can wake up from their self imposed slumber.
 
Scindia said: “If there are two leaders in MP who don’t use ACs in their car, it is Shivraj and Jyotiraditya Scindia.”

Is this supposed to be joke or a boast about his 'simple' living? Really? Is travelling in an air conditioned car is now a sin? Coming from someone who has always lived in huge palaces, this self promotion is a la 56" while the reality is exactly opposite....

Also now that he has started talking about himself in third person, means that he is a sanghi now.
 
MP2011 said:
Scindia said: “If there are two leaders in MP who don’t use ACs in their car, it is Shivraj and Jyotiraditya Scindia.”

Is this supposed to be joke or a boast about his 'simple' living? Really? Is travelling in an air conditioned car is now a sin? Coming from someone who has always lived in huge palaces, this self promotion is a la 56" while the reality is exactly opposite....

Also now that he has started talking about himself in third person, means that he is a sanghi now.
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Seems you know little about this guy. He always threw tantrums and made sure he was addressed as raja saheb by his visitors at his palace (this was 10 years ago).
 
JaDed said:
Any politician you know for sure isn’t corrupt? Also what did he do?
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The scale of corruption was small. It was raised in an internal AAP meeting. His defence was that we should ignore such small issues and look at the larger picture and Kejriwal too agreed. The idealist youth who had joined on the basis of india against corruption movement quit in that meeting, leaving with teary eyes. However this yadav guy is still better than that hindi poet who is not only corrupt but always trying to get close to young female volunteers.
 
CricketCartoons said:
Seems you know little about this guy. He always threw tantrums and made sure he was addressed as raja saheb by his visitors at his palace (this was 10 years ago).
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On the contrary, I always knew he is used to luxurious lifestyle and this travelling in a non AC car is just a useless canard about him being a commoner just like his new masters.
 
CricketCartoons said:
The scale of corruption was small. It was raised in an internal AAP meeting. His defence was that we should ignore such small issues and look at the larger picture and Kejriwal too agreed. The idealist youth who had joined on the basis of india against corruption movement quit in that meeting, leaving with teary eyes. However this yadav guy is still better than that hindi poet who is not only corrupt but always trying to get close to young female volunteers.
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I know what you're alluding to regarding that poet. Always thought behind his cheerful and friendly exterior, there was something else inside.
 
BJP is already planning for next gen leaders and giving oppurtunities to young MPs in parliament like Tejaswi Surya, Jamyang Namgyal etc. Congress on the other hand still considers 50 year old Rahul Gandhi as young.

Wake me up when any young congress leader can give a speech like below. Next Arun Jaitley for BJP is ready

https://youtu.be/_kbsY1FzRTg
 
Sanghis have always been bol bachhans, from Jaitley, Sushma etc. They can only bark, but have no substance.

If only India could come out of the gutter its been pushed into over last 6 years through these so-called speeches, lol.

Isn't it great that first you push the country into such a state and then cry hoarse about opposition who themselves have no spine left...You've all the power with you, why don't you punish such opposition leaders who've created animosity between 2 sections of society?

However knowing fully well that how fake and spineless 56" is in all aspects of personality & governance, shouldn't be a surprise to anybody that all these so-called young leaders can do is to bark.
 
MP2011 said:
https://theprint.in/opinion/jyotiraditya-scindia-calling-out-congress-bad-sportsmanship/380306/

Great article this from a sanghi insider. Also proves once more that Scindia is nothing without the party he was in and his lineage. That he still lost the only election a Scindia lost in their entire history, shows his true worth.

Writer rightly says that bigger loss for Congress is of those 22 MLAs and not of Scindia.
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it is gain for bjp. they need faces which can speak english and know their wine and croissant. They have many leaders which connect with the masses, but none which can impress the lutyens or the elite who visit india habitat center. although scindia is not very articulate, it is good enough for bjp. although they want a tharoor of their own. Imagine someone who has diction, cadence and grammar of tharoor and language of giriraj singh and sadhvi pragya.
 
I don't understand how SC can order floor test when it's obvious MLAs are out there hiding.

Should have let the MLAs come and held a floor test.

They saw 2 weeks time is GOLDEN for horse trading but don't realize what's happening could be horse trading too.

lol.
 
CricketCartoons said:
If people voted for congress, they will vote them back in power when the bypolls happen at the vacated seats. The bypolls will show what the public wants.
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Yeah but it also makes it harder for Congress cos MLAs have certain clouts in certain areas which is why they freely move from one party to another without getting punished for lack of loyalty.

Parties want that vote.

Bypolls will be dependent on 2 things:

1. What people want
2. The clout of MLAs in those areas - Some MLAs will win no matter which party they are from

So it's a bit messy imho.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Yeah but it also makes it harder for Congress cos MLAs have certain clouts in certain areas which is why they freely move from one party to another without getting punished for lack of loyalty.

Parties want that vote.

Bypolls will be dependent on 2 things:

1. What people want
2. The clout of MLAs in those areas - Some MLAs will win no matter which party they are from

So it's a bit messy imho.
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1 and 2 is the same thing. You have clout because people vote for you. The bypolls will be like a referendum on the govt. This is more democratic that people are getting a chance to give a referendum.

Frequent referendum is good democratically but bad for stability though.
 
CricketCartoons said:
1 and 2 is the same thing. You have clout because people vote for you. The bypolls will be like a referendum on the govt. This is more democratic that people are getting a chance to give a referendum.

Frequent referendum is good democratically but bad for stability though.
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1 and 2 are not quite the same.

1 is when people vote for party no matter what.

2 is when people vote for the candidate regardless of his party. Example - Kuldeep Singh Sengar. Won with BSP, SP and BJP.

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Of course, bypolls will tell us what people want but its also dependent on how many of these MLAs have internal clout in their constituencies which is why it makes it a bit messier.
 
There was only 5 seats difference between Congress and BJP in 2018 MP election. It was a hung parliament and Congress formed govt by claiming support of Samajwadi Party's 1 MLA, Bahujan Samaj Party's 2 MLA and 4 Independent MLA.

So this notion from liberals that oh look people from MP have been hard done by is overplayed.

You know what injustice is? Its what happened with people of Karnataka in 2018. BJP, Cong and JDS all fought election seperately with different ideologies. BJP was by far the single largest party but Kumaraswamy formed govt even after getting least seats bcoz of oppurtunist congress.

NDTV/liberals talk about ideology and how it has no relevance in politics anymore. Not sure what is the common ideology between Congress and Shiv Sena but they keep a pedestrian distance from such discussions :))

This type of Khichdi alliances will always break. Karnataka govt fell and BJP took its rightful place. MP govt fall today, its effect will be felt in Rajasthan too (where people adored BJP but was only against Raje). Then the biggest injustice served to people of Maharastra will be mended by end of this year.

NDTV who were so proudly sharing map of shrinking saffron after Delhi election will be dissapointed again by end of this year.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
I don't understand how SC can order floor test when it's obvious MLAs are out there hiding.

Should have let the MLAs come and held a floor test.

They saw 2 weeks time is GOLDEN for horse trading but don't realize what's happening could be horse trading too.

lol.
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MLAs resigned.

MLAs have every right to stay where ever they want, its a fundamental right.

The MLAs were represented in the SC by their lawyer.

Neither Congress nor BJP got majority in MP. Congress formed govt with outside support of other MLAs.
 
Slaves are such illiterates that they take pleasure in sanghis buying and hence toppling another democratically elected government. They have left even Indira Gandhi behind...

Do they get anything out of it?

Apparently not. Then only reason could be that this could be the only 'good news' for them under 56" reign.
 
Now bjp was the largest party in maha, but SS was given CM seat by Ncp and cong. That seems to be alright for a few people.
 
Bjp fans as usual are missing the point.

There's a difference between forming alliances to get govt and horse trading..

One is allowed in the constitution. Other is not.

Sure, we can say that in case of Karnataka, it was not moral for Congress to give away CM post to keep BJP out of power but its within the rules.

Maharashtra it was Shiv SENA which had issues with BJP. There were 3 parties that had the most votes and they joined.

BJP on the other hand indulged in horse trading in Karnataka, Maharashtra and now MP.

In the latest case by hiding MLAs in Bangalore and conducting a phony floor test.

Have i got all States they indulged in horse trading or did i miss some?
 
cricketjoshila said:
MLAs resigned.

MLAs have every right to stay where ever they want, its a fundamental right.

The MLAs were represented in the SC by their lawyer.

Neither Congress nor BJP got majority in MP. Congress formed govt with outside support of other MLAs.
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They resigned hoping for bjp seats.

There is more than enough suspicion of horse trading here yet floor test was allowed.

Especially when they are freaking camping in Bangalore with police BLOCKING Congress from meeting them :))

Nothing to look here.

All squeaky clean. Lol.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
They resigned hoping for bjp seats.

There is more than enough suspicion of horse trading here yet floor test was allowed.

Especially when they are freaking camping in Bangalore with police BLOCKING Congress from meeting them :))

Nothing to look here.

All squeaky clean. Lol.
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When you have CJIs being nominated as RS MPs, post their retirement what else did you expect?

Fact is 56" has damaged entire India beyond repair and slaves seem to be rejoicing in that.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Bjp fans as usual are missing the point.

There's a difference between forming alliances to get govt and horse trading..

One is allowed in the constitution. Other is not.

Sure, we can say that in case of Karnataka, it was not moral for Congress to give away CM post to keep BJP out of power but its within the rules.

Maharashtra it was Shiv SENA which had issues with BJP. There were 3 parties that had the most votes and they joined.

BJP on the other hand indulged in horse trading in Karnataka, Maharashtra and now MP.

In the latest case by hiding MLAs in Bangalore and conducting a phony floor test.

Have i got all States they indulged in horse trading or did i miss some?
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A sore loser. So when your favorite party does it, it's part of politics. But when other parties do it, you whine. Actually, I am glad BJP understand politics and will take opportunities if presented. The fault ultimately lies on Congress, as they themselves can't keep hold of their own leaders. That brings the reality where the only ideology of Congress about being slaves of the Gandhi family. That's a unsustainable model
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
They resigned hoping for bjp seats.

There is more than enough suspicion of horse trading here yet floor test was allowed.

Especially when they are freaking camping in Bangalore with police BLOCKING Congress from meeting them :))

Nothing to look here.

All squeaky clean. Lol.
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They resigned. Means they are no more MLAs of the congress. They will have to fight Elections again. So this isnt horse trading.

Where is the horse trading? Horse trading is when sitting MLAs take favours and vote against the party. Here they have resigned and are not MLAs or with the party.

So if they dont want to meet congress leaders, they should be forced to? The Supreme court asked congressi lawyers that under what law can a individual be forced to meet someone he doesn't want to. No answers.

A person is free to resign and leave a party, thats what these MLAs did. Or you think they are bonded labourer?
 
MLAs moving from one party to another is totally allowed in constitution. Maybe the term 'Horse Trading' is not mentioned (LOL) but a MLA/MP jumping parties is totally allowed. Yes it does not look good morally but its politics. Frustrated liberals need to question congress why so many of their members jumping ship and joining BJP. And dont tell me likes of Scindia, who beling to royal family did it for money.
 
someone21 said:
A sore loser. So when your favorite party does it, it's part of politics. But when other parties do it, you whine. Actually, I am glad BJP understand politics and will take opportunities if presented. The fault ultimately lies on Congress, as they themselves can't keep hold of their own leaders. That brings the reality where the only ideology of Congress about being slaves of the Gandhi family. That's a unsustainable model
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Nope. You misunderstood.

I said it's morally not right for Congress to have done it in karnataka but NO WAY is it comparable to actual horse trading.

By the way, maybe you don't realize it, but I wanted MP to fall lol. Just scroll past pages. lol.

Fault lies with Congress for BJP doing all kinds of shady activities?

Yeah....kyun nahi.

When you view world in through a unidimensional prism (Hindu vs Muslim...COngress incompetent Vs BJP best)...this is what you get.
 
cricketjoshila said:
They resigned. Means they are no more MLAs of the congress. They will have to fight Elections again. So this isnt horse trading.

Where is the horse trading? Horse trading is when sitting MLAs take favours and vote against the party. Here they have resigned and are not MLAs or with the party.

So if they dont want to meet congress leaders, they should be forced to? The Supreme court asked congressi lawyers that under what law can a individual be forced to meet someone he doesn't want to. No answers.

A person is free to resign and leave a party, thats what these MLAs did. Or you think they are bonded labourer?
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There is a technical meaning and colloqial meaning.

I think you are referring to vote trading.

Horse trading is commonly used for instances where MLAs and MPs are bought for taking specific actions.

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So if they didn't want to meet Congress why is BJP oh so concerned by sheltering them?

Under NO law can someone be forced to meet another.

But there is defo some law where you cannot have a floor test with enough suspicions of horse trading.

MLAs go and party in some Bangalore hotel/resort where no one is allowed to meet them (with police protection) and we are supposed to believe it's all clean?

Nope.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Nope. You misunderstood.

I said it's morally not right for Congress to have done it in karnataka but NO WAY is it comparable to actual horse trading.

By the way, maybe you don't realize it, but I wanted MP to fall lol. Just scroll past pages. lol.

Fault lies with Congress for BJP doing all kinds of shady activities?

Yeah....kyun nahi.

When you view world in through a unidimensional prism (Hindu vs Muslim...COngress incompetent Vs BJP best)...this is what you get.
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Cos one is part of dirty politics while other is illegal.

Just that no steps were taken to ensure that the illegal activity didn't take place.

Did I complain about Haryana where voters voted for Dushyant cos he was anti BJP and then he joined BJP? :))
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someone21 said:
A sore loser. So when your favorite party does it, it's part of politics. But when other parties do it, you whine. Actually, I am glad BJP understand politics and will take opportunities if presented. The fault ultimately lies on Congress, as they themselves can't keep hold of their own leaders. That brings the reality where the only ideology of Congress about being slaves of the Gandhi family. That's a unsustainable model
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That is the problem with left liberalism unfortunately. They live under so much delusion that after a certain time they start believing their own lies. And its not only in India...entire world is coming to terms with liberals slowly.

They claim themselves themselves to be secular and tolerant but liberals are perhaps the most intolerant people on earth. As long as their party is winning/doing well, they will act all nice. Moment they start losing, that tolerant mask comes off and they cry foul like evm tampering, horse trading and what not :))

Have you ever heard anything about evm after Delhi election results? They are so smart...that they created few murmurs about evm after exit polls, so that incase results go south they can use it as an excuse. :))

Have you ever heard anyone questioning the ideology when SS joined congress? Now they have problem if few mla's want to join BJP.

Issue is liberals consider themselves smarter than they actually are. I have done so much research on them...that I know every nook and cranny :))
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
There is a technical meaning and colloqial meaning.

I think you are referring to vote trading.

Horse trading is commonly used for instances where MLAs and MPs are bought for taking specific actions.

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So if they didn't want to meet Congress why is BJP oh so concerned by sheltering them?

Under NO law can someone be forced to meet another.

But there is defo some law where you cannot have a floor test with enough suspicions of horse trading.

MLAs go and party in some Bangalore hotel/resort where no one is allowed to meet them (with police protection) and we are supposed to believe it's all clean?

Nope.
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Which law are you talking about, that stops a flooe test?

Any person is free to leave a party or a political post if they want. They are not MLAs anymore. They have all resigned.

The MLAs wrote to DGP Karnataka asking fir police protection. They didnot want to meet congress leaders.

This is as clean as it can get in India. You dont like s party,resign, resign from the house, seek fresh mandate.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Which law are you talking about, that stops a flooe test?

Any person is free to leave a party or a political post if they want. They are not MLAs anymore. They have all resigned.

The MLAs wrote to DGP Karnataka asking fir police protection. They didnot want to meet congress leaders.

This is as clean as it can get in India. You dont like s party,resign, resign from the house, seek fresh mandate.
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This is not clean by any stretch of imagination.

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Anyways...I asked around reg this and I was told that this would have been the judgement in any case.

There is no procedure for ensuring an MLA resigning is done out of his own will or not (like meeting the speaker).

More like a legal loophole.

I was also told that it sets a bad precedent where if you want to topple a govt (that is delicately balanced), you can simply get MLAs to resign, keep them away from the govt and conduct a floor test.
 
Rajdeep said:
MLAs moving from one party to another is totally allowed in constitution. Maybe the term 'Horse Trading' is not mentioned (LOL) but a MLA/MP jumping parties is totally allowed. Yes it does not look good morally but its politics. Frustrated liberals need to question congress why so many of their members jumping ship and joining BJP. And dont tell me likes of Scindia, who beling to royal family did it for money.
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:))

No wonder libbys look like idiots to you when you make assumptions like these.

Maybe when we get time, we can have a discussion where you can enlighten us sickular libbys and show us the true path. :D

We need saviors like you.
 
And now the news is veteran congress spokerperson Sanjay Jha is sacked by party for supporting Sachin Pilot. Who is intolerant now eh?

Sanjay Jha suspended by party minutes after appearing in NDTV show

Sanjay Jha has been suspended from the Congress, with immediate effect, for "anti-party activities and breach of discipline".

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/sanjay-jha-suspended-from-congress-for-anti-party-activities-and-breach-of-discipline-2262810

What is so wrong with congress? I mean I am no Congressi but how can a party be so intolerant & ignorant towards its own people? Due to Pilot's hard work Congress came to power in Rajasthan 1st time in 15 years beating BJP and now they sack Pilot from cabinet?

They already lost govt in Karnataka, MP due to infightings and now can lose Rajasthan as well. First time I am seeing a political party who gives away powers so easily even after winning elections.

And all this boils down to the poor leadership at top. Sachin Pilot, Sanjay Jha, Scindia etc all were capable politicians. But when you have a leader like Shri Rahul Gandhi and his mumma, there is very little hope for the party.

And this idiot wants to be the PM of the country when he cant even manages his own party and his chamchas will still support him.

BJP must be laughing so hard. They dont even have to put any effort. Pappu ji's leadership is enough to keep BJP alive for decades.
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Rajdeep said:
They already lost govt in Karnataka, MP due to infightings and now can lose Rajasthan as well.
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DK has changed things here. It's accepted now that Yeddy is going to be the last BJP CM for a while. I have a couple of friends in the BJP junior ranks and they're almost admiring when they talk about DK right now.

:cobra

You will keep winning the coast though. :moyo
 
pillionrider said:
Have you recovered from the BJP's latest failure :)))
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pillionrider said:
DK has changed things here. It's accepted now that Yeddy is going to be the last BJP CM for a while. I have a couple of friends in the BJP junior ranks and they're almost admiring when they talk about DK right now.

:cobra

You will keep winning the coast though. :moyo
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Are you really so thick or deliberately playing it down?

This is exactly the problem with Congress and its supporters. They are so far away from reality that everything they see through the prism of BJP. Instead of mending its own organization, as long as BJP is not gaining an inch...they are happy. Its such a negative way of looking at things and sums up why this party is going down everyday.

What is BJPs failure here? That Sachin Pilot didn't left Congress join BJP like Scindia? LOL Congrats.

Bjp is already a flourishing organization and worlds largest political party. Sachin Pilot joining would have hardly made any difference to the party like Scindia made any difference since he joined. Bjp will win the next Rajasthan assembly election anyway. But these people leaving/unhappy with congress would make a huge difference to the party.

Congress supporters need to look into the mirror. Rather than blaming BJP, had they questioned Rahul and his mumma...the party would have been better. Yesterday Sanjay Jha tried to do the same but got sacked immidiately.

Even as an outsider, we can clearly see Sachin Pilot is much more capable of CM post that 69 yo Gehlot. But somehow congress leadership cant see it and its supporters are happy just because Pilot didnt join BJP like scindia. :facepalm:
 
lol at bhakts' glee at Sachin Pilot sacking as deputy CM of Rajasthan. Too bad for them, he didn't go into Sanghis' lap like Scindia did.
 
pillionrider said:
DK has changed things here. It's accepted now that Yeddy is going to be the last BJP CM for a while. I have a couple of friends in the BJP junior ranks and they're almost admiring when they talk about DK right now.

:cobra

You will keep winning the coast though. :moyo
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Futile to engage with bhakts. They are too thick to get this. Buying MLAs/MPs is the only thing their lord knows.
 
Rajdeep said:
This is exactly the problem with Congress and its supporters.
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Here's some shocking news for you. I voted Congress for the first time in 2019 :cobra

Rajdeep said:
Bjp is already a flourishing organization and worlds largest political party.
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But has only 37% of vote share :23:

Rajdeep said:
Sachin Pilot joining would have hardly made any difference to the party like Scindia made any difference since he joined.
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This is like the Vikas Dubey thing. When he was arrested it was .......Yogiji jai, now we will expose the other parties. When he was encountered...... Bravo.
 
See the thickness of their minds and their buffoonery.

Due to Pilot's hard work Congress came to power in Rajasthan 1st time in 15 years beating BJP

lol, Congress was ruling Rajasthan till 2013 when Vasundhara Raje defeated then CM, Gehlot in assembly elections and then duly gone on to lose next assembly elections in 2018.
 
Would love to see Pilot being propped up as Congress president as a measure to mollify him. He trounced Sanghis on his own and deserves a fair run to do that at national level. Unlike Scindia, he does have a mass base of his own and has done the extensive work at grassroots level.
 
pillionrider said:
But has only 37% of vote share :23:
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Out of 67% turnout...you missed this point.

37.5% for BJP alone and 45% for entire NDA.

19% for Congress/UPA.

But then again, BJPs vote % has nothing to do with the point I am making.
 
Pilot clearly overplayed his hand. Everyone agrees he was the one who shaped Congress' victory in last assembly elections but still didn't command enough MLAs under him, Gehlot had head start over him and hence was chosen as CM.

He is still only 42 years old and will surely be next CM candidate. He needs to be patient enough to wait for his chances.
 
Rajdeep said:
Out of 67% turnout...you missed this point.

37.5% for BJP alone and 45% for entire NDA.

19% for Congress/UPA.
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:)) Nice try. But here's some shocking non-Whatsapp info for you.

The Bharatiya Janata Party garnered 37.4% of the votes in the 2019 Lok Sabha elections. The NDA as a whole, received nearly 45% of the vote.
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The Hindu

There's also a page with nice graphics, if you prefer pictures, which breaks down 100%.

Wikpedia
 
kabbirann said:
The report about your fake baba and his environmentally destructive land grab was just an example of the filth that BJP is.

And given that Yogi Adityanath is an anpadh, communal, inept ***** ,ie has all qualities of a BJP prime ministerial candidate, his misgovernance in U.P should be highlighted.

BJP is worse than Congress,at least there is no dhong or pretense to Congress.MMS at his worst was far better than Modi and his illiterate cabinet will ever be.
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"at least there is no dhong or pretense to Congress" What, what, what??? :)))

From the very first day of Nehru's PMship, Congress has been 100% dhong and pretense.
 
Sachin has done well not to join BJP, Scindhia is finished but Pilot can still make it. If Pilot was made the face of the party and propped to be the PM Congress would had actually been a genuine opposition.

Irrespective Gehlot and co will ruin it like Kamalnath ,absolute disaster.

Was shocked to see so many Malayalees who supported Pilot so disappointed with his resignation, probably the biggest Congress base in Kerala?
 
MP2011 said:
He is still only 42 years old and will surely be next CM candidate. He needs to be patient enough to wait for his chances.
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That was his demand to be the next CM candidate and it was refused. Where did you get your info from?
 
JaDed said:
Sachin has done well not to join BJP, Scindhia is finished but Pilot can still make it. If Pilot was made the face of the party and propped to be the PM Congress would had actually been a genuine opposition.

Irrespective Gehlot and co will ruin it like Kamalnath ,absolute disaster.

Was shocked to see so many Malayalees who supported Pilot so disappointed with his resignation, probably the biggest Congress base in Kerala?
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Is there a reason that Congress cant appoint anyone else other than a Gandhi as head of the party? Are they afraid the party would splinter? Do supporters of Congress prefer a Gandhi family member remain as head of the party?
 
Gharib Aadmi said:
Is there a reason that Congress cant appoint anyone else other than a Gandhi as head of the party? Are they afraid the party would splinter? Do supporters of Congress prefer a Gandhi family member remain as head of the party?
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MPs of Congress probably prefer Gandhi , the supporters are divided and only they can answer as to why Rahul Gandhi and Sonia Gandhi remain incharge, yes, it could be because the party would splinter but it would be better than getting dismantled at the current rate.
 
I expect - in the medium term - for the BJP itself to splinter rather than expecting a fantasy of Congress to defeat them.

Much like the times of Indira Gandhi, or when Sonia Gandhi took over in the 90s, the situation is ripe for certain factions of the BJP to revolt against what is a 2-man show and make their own version of the party. Modi and Shah along with their proteges like Yogi Adityanath are not part of the Vajpayee-Advani camp. Those members - the late Jaitley, Rajnath Singh et al - are incredibly quiet and possibly biding their time.

What will it take though? A UP State Election defeat in 2022? Remains to be seen.
 
Congress is better at ruling and BJP is better as an opposition. Now we have a situation where neither the opposition nor the ruling party are at their strongest suit.
 
Tamil Nadu Congress member Khushbu Sundar Joins BJP, Says Congress Leaders Out Of Touch With Reality

Actor-turned-politician Khushbu Sundar, one of the Congress's most prominent defenders, quit the party today and joined the BJP just months before the Tamil Nadu polls. In her resignation letter to Congress president Sonia Gandhi, she wrote that she felt "pushed and suppressed" by people who had no connect with ground reality.

"Few elements seated at higher level within the party, people who have no connectivity with the ground reality or public recognition are dictating terms and people like me who wanted to work for the party sincerely, are being pushed and suppressed," Khushbu Sundar, 50, wrote.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/khu...sonia-gandhi-may-join-bjp-say-sources-2308725

So much so for Tamil Nadu rejects BJP and its only a north indian party.
 
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