Why can Pakistan not find a visionary Chief of Selectors!

[Monsee]

As a Pakistan Selector, wouldn't the job be much easier (in this day and age) due to platforms like Pakpassion etc. being readily available because a lot of new players are first mentioned here, by various posters (after seeing them at one stage or the other)!

Why don't we ever find any visionary people (as selectors), who can take advantage of all the various sources available online like PP etc. (as well as their own team of selectors), to search for new talent? We keep getting the same timid ex-cricketers who don't know the ABC's of our domestic cricket and keep selecting the same tried and tested failures or players who are barely ready for the big stage.

Players like M. Hurraira, Mubasir Khan, Harris, Saim etc. have been mentioned here for a while yet, none of them are even included in any squads yet, to give them exposure for future!

 

[jnaveen1980]

To be fair you can't use forums to select players. You will end up with 35 players in a squad.

 

[Mamoon]

To be fair, almost every young player with a “talent spotter” thread on PP has proved to be talentless.

 

[MenInG]

As a Pakistan Selector, wouldn't the job be much easier (in this day and age) due to platforms like Pakpassion etc. being readily available because a lot of new players are first mentioned here, by various posters (after seeing them at one stage or the other)!

Why don't we ever find any visionary people (as selectors), who can take advantage of all the various sources available online like PP etc. (as well as their own team of selectors), to search for new talent? We keep getting the same timid ex-cricketers who don't know the ABC's of our domestic cricket and keep selecting the same tried and tested failures or players who are barely ready for the big stage.

Players like M. Hurraira, Mubasir Khan, Harris, Saim etc. have been mentioned here for a while yet, none of them are even included in any squads yet, to give them exposure for future!

Good thread Monsee.

Some of the people we have featured on our Talent Spotters have done very well for Pakistan.

Mohammad Abbas, Hassan Ali, Babar Azam, Mohammad Rizwan, Abrar Ahmed etc are some of the names.

 

[MenInG]

To be fair, almost every young player with a “talent spotter” thread on PP has proved to be talentless.

Your attempts at negativity directed at anything Pakistani is getting tiresome.

 

[Mamoon]

Your attempts at negativity directed at anything Pakistani is getting tiresome.

So what’s the solution - do we file a petition to have a PP poster become the selector or do we make the selectors sign up for PP.

Welcome to Impractical & Unrealistic Ideas 101.

 

[Monsee]

Your attempts at negativity directed at anything Pakistani is getting tiresome.

I knew a certain toddler wanna be will try and derail the thread, with his effervescent and always present negativity...just ignore the troll and his partners in crime.

 

[MenInG]

I knew a certain toddler wanna be will try and derail the thread, with his effervescent and always present negativity...just ignore the troll and his partners in crime.

My view is simple.

We tried a Chief Selector who used stats etc - I feel selection is a lot about watching a player and gut feel. This is where likes of Inzi, Razzaq types can do the job provided they actually watch players.

 

[Monsee]

To be fair you can't use forums to select players. You will end up with 35 players in a squad.

Reading my OP (again) will clear your misconception, if you have the time.

My suggestion was to use such free and readily available sources as PP etc. along with their own team of selectors/scouts...will only make a selector's job easier, especially if they are trying to invest in the future.

Selecting any mentioned/suggested talent in a squad, not the team (after seeing them live for self) could be a win win situation for all!

 

[Plumb]

LOL, We don't have visionary people... Its as simple as that.

That's why we work better under foreign coach, but since we get annoyed by their discipline and work ethics, Players complain and we get rid of foreign coaches OR the foreign coaches gets tired of dealing with the mindset of players/management.

 

[Major]

Bro, i wish there were jobs like cricket scouts in Pakistan and that were open to general public. I would had loved to have a career in cricket administration or marketing post even journalism, but sadly never got such a chance in Islamabad/Rawalpind

 

[JibranAnsari]

It is important that selectors watch the players closely , especially the ones who have performed.
How the performers are scoring runs and how the wicket takers are taking wickets. Are they doing the basics right? Players like imran butt were selected even though he has glaring flaws in his technique. People are now asking for Usman Salahuddin, the guy has scored so many runs but his run scoring speed is extremely low and this doesnt bode well with modern requirements. I don't know anything about Mohammad Ali , but he definitely lacks speed but on roads like pindi and lahore its hard to judge a quick bowlers.

 

[Misia]

Im not to familiar with the inner workings of Pakistan cricket but how about
2 scouts (batsman/ bowler) per region
Scouts job to provide 2 players each to NCA per season
Batting scout top / middle order batsman
Bowling scout Fast / spin bowler

 

[Savak]

According to reports an interim selection committee consisting of Inzamam, Afridi and Akhtar will be appointed

 

[Bewal Express]

Because there is no such thing. The deadwood has gone or about to go, some selections will pay off and others won't.

 

[Bewal Express]

According to reports an interim selection committee consisting of Inzamam, Afridi and Akhtar will be appointed

And 8 out of the 11 players will be the same. If you add in SSA, 9 players will be the same

 

[Bewal Express]

My view is simple.

We tried a Chief Selector who used stats etc - I feel selection is a lot about watching a player and gut feel. This is where likes of Inzi, Razzaq types can do the job provided they actually watch players.

Unlike in the past where few if any of the players where known to the public,we live in the of Youtube and there are no secret or uncut gems in FC. If you chose players on gut instinct they are useles, they are called parchis,if you chose players with stats, people complain. Winning is the only answer, the rest is guff

 

[the Great Khan]

Because long term planning and visions are something that other countries do. Pakistanis do aaj kya khana hay kul dekh lain gay..end of..everything is chulta hay bus ho Jay ga..

Don't expect anything from them and you wont get disappointed bro..its a comedy show just sit back and watch the tamasha.. if you look at it like a comedy sitcom its actually quite good.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Pakistan need an england type overhaul. An identity has been be formed / Created as to how pakistan wants to play its cricket. You look at the surfaces we have traditionally played on in pakistan and its always favoured Batsmen and on odd occasion pacers may get something, we have never really seen wickets that are rank turners, yet we had a selector who seem to want to go spin heavy all the time played in Asia which made zero sense when we dont have that many good spinners. Then we had selections based on 1 good domestic season etc.. players like Imran Butt who for 90% of his domestic career was awful, then scores a few runs and is called up. i can guarantee no one looked at his technic or lack or if and whether he could succeed at highest level. You look at every single domestic league around the world not every top run scorer or wicket taker is going to be international quality, in some cases the domestic scene is that poor certain players just take advantage of playing again garbage players but dont actually improve technically or mentally.

Until selectors actually go watch games which is exactly what they are being paid to do then we might have a starting point at spotting players who are good enough. If players are ear marked as good enough, selectors should be working with coaches of these teams to ask the players to work on certain aspects of their games so they can bridge the gap when they step up to international level.

Mo wasim was nothing more then a stats merchant who had petty agendas. He said Imam needed to improve his red ball cricket output before earning a recall but all imam did was score a few runs on dead wickets domestically earn a call up and no improvement on his game. Salluddin was told to open in domestic cricket if he wanted a chance to be called up, so he did open and got runs and then gets ignored. Every currently level of failure in pakistans cricket (chairmen, selector, captain, coach) is due to having the wrong incompetent and delusion people in charge. Add to that is clear that most of the time the selector is picking what he thinks is best sqaud for his so called stratergy and the captain / coach are thinking something else.

Add to that the factors of Huge bias, corruption, nepotism, lobbying etc.. when it comes to pakistan selection and its never going to be an easy fix.

May have to be a case of performance team being set up which is A foreign coach and support staff and the support staff are tasked with a list of criteria that pakistan has set out for team selection. Those support staff then are paid to watch all domestic games etc.. and report back with who is suitable for selection. It all then rolls back to the same thing in the end, set out criteria of what type or players technically, mentally you want first in your team.

 

[Monsee]

My view is simple.

We tried a Chief Selector who used stats etc - I feel selection is a lot about watching a player and gut feel. This is where likes of Inzi, Razzaq types can do the job provided they actually watch players.

Inzi was pretty mediocre and conservative in his style, when he was the selector and Razzaq sometimes talks some utter nonsense for no reason. I think we need someone from the younger generation like Gul, who already has some experience as a coach under his belt. He has played cricket all over and should be better than most.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Im sure Monsee would be happy with a panel of selectors maybe Imran Farhat, Faisal iqbal and Junaid Zia

 

[Nasty Naz]

According to reports an interim selection committee consisting of Inzamam, Afridi and Akhtar will be appointed

Besides being former players, do they have any experience in finding or identifying talent? Do they watch domestic matches? Have they ever even looked at analytics?

We have already seen what a dumb selector Inzi was. Just hiring big names doesn't mean they are going to be any good at their roles. Heck we even seen foolishness like Babar going with Zahid over Abrar because these players are so poor at identifying who is good or not despite doing net practice with them.

And then we ask ourselves why don't we find a visionary chief of selectors. The goal should be to build a selector in his position by hiring someone who has identified talent for domestic & PSL teams, have someone who values & studies analytics of your own team and the team you are going up against but I guess it is much easier to hire some big name former player until he inevitably fails & gets replaced in a year or two.

 

[Savak]

Besides being former players, do they have any experience in finding or identifying talent? Do they watch domestic matches? Have they ever even looked at analytics?

We have already seen what a dumb selector Inzi was. Just hiring big names doesn't mean they are going to be any good at their roles. Heck we even seen foolishness like Babar going with Zahid over Abrar because these players are so poor at identifying who is good or not despite doing net practice with them.

And then we ask ourselves why don't we find a visionary chief of selectors. The goal should be to build a selector in his position by hiring someone who has identified talent for domestic & PSL teams, have someone who values & studies analytics of your own team and the team you are going up against but I guess it is much easier to hire some big name former player until he inevitably fails & gets replaced in a year or two.

Big name CS are not going to let someone like Babar or the coaches blindly tictate to them. In Pakistan the selectors have to be big names for starters. We have already seen the experience of Mohd Wasim who was hyped to be in favour of youth and someone who had tremendous knowledge of domestic cricket and a good cricketing brain. His tenure overall has been disasterous especially given that Ramiz gave all the selection powers to Babar.

 

[Cricket-lion]

There is no will to do so. When your govt department CEOs are mediocre then why do you expect the PCB to be any different? This is a mafia

 

[Nasty Naz]

Big name CS are not going to let someone like Babar or the coaches blindly tictate to them. In Pakistan the selectors have to be big names for starters. We have already seen the experience of Mohd Wasim who was hyped to be in favour of youth and someone who had tremendous knowledge of domestic cricket and a good cricketing brain. His tenure overall has been disasterous especially given that Ramiz gave all the selection powers to Babar.

Test wise it has been a disaster but overall, Pakistan have done quite well in white ball with a Final appearance in WC & Asia Cup along with a semi's. You can say they didn't win but I would argue tactics, strategy and lineup selection by coach/captain is where they have gone wrong. Even Test wise, I would argue is the coaching & captain execution like debuting Salman over Saud Shakeel, continuing to play Azhar, Zahid over Abrar and in general trying to weaken an already weakened bowling attack to bat deeper like we saw in the previous Test match.

 

[shah_1]

Inzamam has a great eye for talent. A lot of white ball players were selected by him and doing well now. He was bashed for selecting Imam but his selection proved to be right.

Shadab, Hasan Ali, Fakhar, Imam, Rizwan, Shaheen, Nawaz etc. He never dropped Babar in test cricket despite not performing.

I remember someone telling a story of Inzamam watching a young Ross Taylor, was very impressed and told Ross that he will play for NZ

 

[Rana]

Inzamam has a great eye for talent. A lot of white ball players were selected by him and doing well now. He was bashed for selecting Imam but his selection proved to be right.

Shadab, Hasan Ali, Fakhar, Imam, Rizwan, Shaheen, Nawaz etc. He never dropped Babar in test cricket despite not performing.

I remember someone telling a story of Inzamam watching a young Ross Taylor, was very impressed and told Ross that he will play for NZ

Inzimam didn’t pick Rizwan

Rizwan was never truly rated until Misbah took over

 

[Saj]

Look at the names being selected.

Nothing to get excited about.

Do we need national selectors?

 

[moghul]

As a Pakistan Selector, wouldn't the job be much easier (in this day and age) due to platforms like Pakpassion etc. being readily available because a lot of new players are first mentioned here, by various posters (after seeing them at one stage or the other)!

Why don't we ever find any visionary people (as selectors), who can take advantage of all the various sources available online like PP etc. (as well as their own team of selectors), to search for new talent? We keep getting the same timid ex-cricketers who don't know the ABC's of our domestic cricket and keep selecting the same tried and tested failures or players who are barely ready for the big stage.

Players like M. Hurraira, Mubasir Khan, Harris, Saim etc. have been mentioned here for a while yet, none of them are even included in any squads yet, to give them exposure for future!

Because the people who pick the selectors have no vision .

 

[Suleiman]

I’m willing to step up if they have the cojones to offer me the job. So far, most of the players I have backed have come good. My credentials posting here for nearly a decade outweigh whatever the current chief selector has as credentials.

Bonus is that I won’t be needing a monthly subscription for MS PowerPoint, so already saving money and time.

First order of business? Umar Akmal is forced to play FC and tests against his will and forced to lose weight against his will. I will hire Jeff Cavaliere of Athlean X who has worked with the Boston Red Sox or whoever to be his personal trainer / coach.

But I want full authority and freedom like Babar has as captain, otherwise no dice. Hold me accountable but give me 1 year only 1 chance, not 3

@TheRealNajam if you’re reading this, you know how to reach me.

 

[offstump]

I laugh when I read about Mo Wasim and the stats based approach. He was simply looking at runs and averages, the most basic of all stats. I don’t think Pakistan have the capability to perform advanced analytics at the domestic level. You need a lot of analysts who are gathering tier 2,3,4 stats and data on every player before you can truly use analytics to your advantage. Just looking at runs and average is straight out of the 1970s which is where we are right now.

I think we need someone who has just recently retired from the game and is in touch with the modern requirements of what a top side needs to have. I wonder if someone like Shoaib Malik would make a decent CS.

 

[Monsee]

I’m willing to step up if they have the cojones to offer me the job. So far, most of the players I have backed have come good. My credentials posting here for nearly a decade outweigh whatever the current chief selector has as credentials.

Bonus is that I won’t be needing a monthly subscription for MS PowerPoint, so already saving money and time.

First order of business? Umar Akmal is forced to play FC and tests against his will and forced to lose weight against his will. I will hire Jeff Cavaliere of Athlean X who has worked with the Boston Red Sox or whoever to be his personal trainer / coach.

But I want full authority and freedom like Babar has as captain, otherwise no dice. Hold me accountable but give me 1 year only 1 chance, not 3

@TheRealNajam if you’re reading this, you know how to reach me.

Just for mentioning UA, you are banned for life (from having a chance at holding such a position)

Seriously, he needs to lose more than just a ton or two of fat but more than that, he needs some serious psychological help to screw in his head straight!

Also, he should be banned from having any contact with Mr. Butterfingers and any of his idiotic friends, who allow him to think he is always right or that most of his actions/choices etc. are just fine!

Personally, I think he is a lost cause due to brain decay over the years.

 

[Saj]

Are there any visionaries amongst the former players?

Most seem to have axes to grind and issues.

 

[moghul]

Are there any visionaries amongst the former players?

Most seem to have axes to grind and issues.

You cannot have vision when whole system is running on ad hoc basis . Current regime, PCB and selectors are not here to stay many years to make any long term planning . Everyone is trying to bring "apna-banda" in front. Afridi and Razzaq are not the two visionary individuals you can think about in any situation .

 

[TheSultan]

Are there any visionaries amongst the former players?

Most seem to have axes to grind and issues.

This is the truth. There aren’t any visionaries.

The reality is you might as well get someone like Shoaib Akhtar in some capacity (not necessarily CoS). He has a very clear, uncomplicated mindset. He’s also self sufficient and will not be looking to hang on to a job for dear life.

 

[Bewal Express]

Are there any visionaries amongst the former players?

Most seem to have axes to grind and issues.

I know many posters are new and a little naïve but expecting any ex player not to have lots of favours is expecting too much. RR and MY had bitter arguments but for the sake of PK, RR held his ego in check and hired MY. Can that happen with any other guy amongst the lists we have seen, no chance. Bitter people with no vision

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Afridi can be this person. Give him a few series it will pay off.

 

[ZaidTR]

We gave many chances to Misbah! We can do the same with Afridi. What’s wrong with everyone

 

[Saj]

This is the truth. There aren’t any visionaries.

The reality is you might as well get someone like Shoaib Akhtar in some capacity (not necessarily CoS). He has a very clear, uncomplicated mindset. He’s also self sufficient and will not be looking to hang on to a job for dear life.

But then does he really have an in-depth knowledge about the domestic circuit and upcoming players. I don't think so.

 

[TheSultan]

But then does he really have an in-depth knowledge about the domestic circuit and upcoming players. I don't think so.

Maybe not - but who does? And even the ones that do are either yes men or have their own biases.

And the other thing I mentioned was that Shoaib doesn’t necessarily have to be CoS, but I definitely think if he’s involved in some capacity he can inject some much needed positivity and competitiveness in to these happy go lucky, opponent clapping, cake cutting losers

 

[Fenrir]

In Shahid Afridi ,Pakistan has found a visionary chief selector.

 

[greatest]

In Shahid Afridi ,Pakistan has found a visionary chief selector.

Only time will tell how visionary Afridi is. If only he and his other colleagues from the 2000 era had any vision in their playing days on how to groom the next generation of cricketers then our team would not have been in this pathetic state.

 

[Monsee]

I strongly doubt Afridi is a visionary, if he was, he would have found a way to get out of his 6,6 and out predicment a long time ago...instead, he repeated it a few 100 times before bowing out!

Only time will tell and I sure do hope I am proven wrong...unfortunately there is too much leg pulling going on, for anyone to be completely independent in this role IMO.

Good luck to Afridi and Co. but signs so far (based on the ones he picked so far especially e.g. Sajid Khan) are not very good.

 

[Cricket-lion]

We gave many chances to Misbah! We can do the same with Afridi. What’s wrong with everyone

Misbah has an MBA, an intelligent man..comparing him to Afridi is an insult. You will see Afridi run away himself sooner then later. Mark my comment.

There is nothing wrong with us, we can diffrentiate when someone has less then half a brain.