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Why can't Kane Williamson play like this for New Zealand?

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He was the weak link in the New Zealand line up and seemed to be a specialist captain in that format but has really upped his game since getting the captaincy this IPL and scored runs with text book shots he is known for but also with power hitting which was not part of his repertoire before. So what do you think caused this transformation and can he replicate this for New Zealand too?
 
Let's see how he does in his next LO game. He has been magnificent in this tournament.
 
He has been awesome in IPL.

SRH haven't missed David Warner at all. He has been this good.
 
Kane always had been their on top 10 T20 batsmans rankings list but yeah he lacks this killer impact then
 
Is this a serious question? There is a huge difference between domestic T20s and an International match. There are several players who dominate in domestics but aren't able to replicate that in international matches.
 
DeadBall said:
He was the weak link in the New Zealand line up and seemed to be a specialist captain in that format but has really upped his game since getting the captaincy this IPL and scored runs with text book shots he is known for but also with power hitting which was not part of his repertoire before. So what do you think caused this transformation and can he replicate this for New Zealand too?
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He doesn't get paid as much.
 
El Generico said:
Is this a serious question? There is a huge difference between domestic T20s and an International match. There are several players who dominate in domestics but aren't able to replicate that in international matches.
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This.

Only in IPL you will get over 100 in last 7 overs.
IPL is a high scoring tournament. 180 is par.
In INT cricket its a different story.
 
pakistani pride said:
This.

Only in IPL you will get over 100 in last 7 overs.
IPL is a high scoring tournament. 180 is par.
In INT cricket its a different story.
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Have you been watching cricket the last half a decade?

Obviously this thread is about intent, Kane has added shots to his game and is playing with far more intent than he usually does.
 
Aman said:
Have you been watching cricket the last half a decade?

Obviously this thread is about intent, Kane has added shots to his game and is playing with far more intent than he usually does.
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You guys could have easily won the T20 series against us if he had half the intent shown in this IPL.
 
Aman said:
Have you been watching cricket the last half a decade?

Obviously this thread is about intent, Kane has added shots to his game and is playing with far more intent than he usually does.
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Uhmm in INT cricket you dont see 100 runs scored in 7 overs every other game. IPL is one big run fest. Why is it hard to accept?
 
El Generico said:
Is this a serious question? There is a huge difference between domestic T20s and an International match. There are several players who dominate in domestics but aren't able to replicate that in international matches.
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I guess you have not been reading the thread on Mr. Barry Richards, where it is being insisted that domestic cricket is just as good as international and should count as the same.
 
Kane Williamson last 20 innings in IPL:

89, 21, 54*, 40, 24, 4, 24, 36*, 6, 50, 54, 84, 29, 0, 63, 32*, 56, 83*, 51, 81
 
pakistani pride said:
No.
He was playing the NO 1 INT team. He didnt face the likes of siraj. He was facing quality bowlers.
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Batsmen matter in T20s the bowlers not that much. New Zealand took apart the same bowlers in ODIs (espeically De Grandhomme in the last match). Also NZ got really close to getting home thanks to Ross and co in the T20s and would have easily done it had Williamson not wasted so many balls.
 
Responsibility to captain an underdog side has transformed him. He was under no pressure as he was the captain of a side that was expected to lose. But with his batting and help of Rashid he has dramatically changed their fortunes put his side top of the table.
 
El Generico said:
Is this a serious question? There is a huge difference between domestic T20s and an International match. There are several players who dominate in domestics but aren't able to replicate that in international matches.
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Not every international players is a sure shot success in the IPL. Many have flunked too. He has transformed himself like ABDV trying to play 360 degrees.
 
Usually higher stakes, more pressure and better quality of bowling in international cricket all make a difference.
 
In International t20 you play 2 or 3 matches and then there is a big gap but for ipl or any domestic t20 league there are 15 - 16 matches in tournament and you have enough chances to be consistent performer compared to international t20 series.
 
He is the best captain of the fab four. He won't be a box office star like the other three but his contributions will nevertheless be lesser.
 
lol. Its hilarious to see the way some people r undermining the IPL and trying to big up international t20s.

Fact is, IPL is way more competitive than international t20 matches will ever be. Barring WT20 hardly any team cares about international t20s. Hence, more often than not teams try out new bowlers and batters in international t20s.

Those batters who r doing well in IPL r more likely to do well in international t20s too. The difference in quality between ipl bowlers and international t20 bowlers isn't as much as some of the posters r trying to portray it. lol
 
Lol at some of the Pak fans using this to mock IPL bowling. Why is Kohli struggling in this IPL while he was scoring century after century against international teams like SA, Aus, etc?

Rohit is struggling against IPL teams but scored 200 recently against an international team.

Let’s see if we get response for this.
 
RainMan_ said:
lol. Its hilarious to see the way some people r undermining the IPL and trying to big up international t20s.

Fact is, IPL is way more competitive than international t20 matches will ever be. Barring WT20 hardly any team cares about international t20s. Hence, more often than not teams try out new bowlers and batters in international t20s.

Those batters who r doing well in IPL r more likely to do well in international t20s too. The difference in quality between ipl bowlers and international t20 bowlers isn't as much as some of the posters r trying to portray it. lol
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Good point.

Ask everyone about Warner and de Villiers and they will say both are great T20 players. But look at their international T20 performance. It is average.

IPL is as much significant as international T20s.
 
RainMan_ said:
Fact is, IPL is way more competitive than international t20 matches will ever be.
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Fact is, international cricket is at a higher quality level than any domestic league will ever be.
 
Send1983 said:
Lol at some of the Pak fans using this to mock IPL bowling. Why is Kohli struggling in this IPL while he was scoring century after century against international teams like SA, Aus, etc?

Rohit is struggling against IPL teams but scored 200 recently against an international team.

Let’s see if we get response for this.
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When did Kohli score century after century in INT T20s? Rohit has been out of form for a while.

IPL is a high scoring tourney due to ultra flat tracks.
 
DeadBall said:
Batsmen matter in T20s the bowlers not that much. New Zealand took apart the same bowlers in ODIs (espeically De Grandhomme in the last match). Also NZ got really close to getting home thanks to Ross and co in the T20s and would have easily done it had Williamson not wasted so many balls.
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What an argument.
So PAK only won due to KW scoring slow.
Sure.
 
Due to difference in quality between International cricket and domestic. International is a different ball game, the pressure the intensity of bowlers etc everything is on another level. You guys really think he deliberately doesn't show intent for NZ team where is the captain too?

And this is coming from kane's biggest fan. T20is is his weakest format and thats how it is.
 
I think people need to look into some of the factors why IPL is considered so significant before understanding the point.

International cricket is obviously of high quality but generally it is comprised of few tests and then one-dayers and at the last they just chip in a couple of T20s to earn enough money.

International players will do all the hard work in winning tests and then the 50-over game. After that when the series is already done, teams won't even care much of T20s and the 2 T20s which are put in randomly is done just for teams to ensure they resolve the selection issue and also work on their bench-strength.

In contrast, IPL is one of the high-paying cricket league. The cricketers are well aware of its importance financially as well as in terms of popularity too. There is huge pressure of performing in this league for players. If there is any T20 format aside from the WT20s where they will try to deliver their best, it is this and this only :- Indian Premier League.

As far as Kane is concerned, he will be one of those players who improve with time and he will definitely bat like this in International T20s as well.
 
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1) Mentally you have more freedom to perform in IPL compare to international. 2) Better pitches 3) long tournament where you play preset number of matches, likely chances you will get better as the game goes on, especially you are an opener or top order. 4) he is in some serious form. 5) still I won't trust him to chase down the hughe target, still supporting role. 6) t20 international are usually short series and world cup you are just mentally cooked.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Not every international players is a sure shot success in the IPL. Many have flunked too. He has transformed himself like ABDV trying to play 360 degrees.
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Obviously not all International players will succeed in IPL. I am not saying IPL is low level of cricket, I am sure the standard of cricket is quite high. But still you can't compare it to international cricket, the standard and pressure of international matches is at a different level.
 
LOL at people saying IPL is only a high scoring tournament...especially in a thread related to Kane. Kane plays half the matches in Hyderabad which is the slowest ground among all the IPL grounds...most of the matches in Hyderabad have been <150 affairs. I get that many people here don't follow IPL but trust me IPL isn't as high scoring tournament as you guys think. It's pretty balanced. There are few grounds where average score is in 190's and then there are grounds where average score is in 140's. In last year final, MI defended 129 to win the tournament. Average score in IPL is usually in 160's which is kinda perfect for a T20 tournament
 
El Generico said:
Obviously not all International players will succeed in IPL. I am not saying IPL is low level of cricket, I am sure the standard of cricket is quite high. But still you can't compare it to international cricket, the standard and pressure of international matches is at a different level.
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Pressure in T20 WCs is higher than IPL but pressure in IPL is higher than pressure in International Bilateral T20 series...stakes in IPL are higher than bilateral T20s which are mostly meaningless and lack much context. Margin of error is pretty less in IPL.
 
Ab Fan said:
I think people need to look into some of the factors why IPL is considered so significant before understanding the point.

International cricket is obviously of high quality but generally it is comprised of few tests and then one-dayers and at the last they just chip in a couple of T20s to earn enough money.

International players will do all the hard work in winning tests and then the 50-over game. After that when the series is already done, teams won't even care much of T20s and the 2 T20s which are put in randomly is done just for teams to ensure they resolve the selection issue and also work on their bench-strength.

In contrast, IPL is one of the high-paying cricket league. The cricketers are well aware of its importance financially as well as in terms of popularity too. There is huge pressure of performing in this league for players. If there is any T20 format aside from the WT20s where they will try to deliver their best, it is this and this only :- Indian Premier League.

As far as Kane is concerned, he will be one of those players who improve with time and he will definitely bat like this in International T20s as well.
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Excellent post. Agree with everything u said. Hardly any team takes international T20s seriously. It gets quite evident even from their squad selection. Only international T20 matches that r given importance are matches in WT20 tournament.
 
pakistani pride said:
When did Kohli score century after century in INT T20s? Rohit has been out of form for a while.

IPL is a high scoring tourney due to ultra flat tracks.
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I meant scoring a lot of runs in international.

Stokes, Aaron Finch, Maxwell, Evin Lewis, Decock, Duplesis, Short, manroa, etc. these guys are superstars for their teams. Either flop or average in this IPL.
 
My point was, IPL or not, Williamson has totally changed his T20 game. The league doesn't matter but the intent/purose and some of the shots he has played was not there before in his international career, even against the weaker teams. Let's see if he can replicate this for his country.
 
ArsenalFC said:
Do you still think Babar is a superior T20 bat to KW?
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Was thinking the same today actually, always though Babar and Williamson were made from the same mould but Williamson has proven me otherwise of late. Babar also did get a bit going in the PSL but they weren't continuously consistent knocks in pressure situations from the get go and mostly just upped his SR from 28 off 38 balls to 65 from 52 later on, something which Williamson exactly did too before this IPL.
 
Kane has shown this side of his game before at the international level, it's just very rare. I think it's a mental thing with him because he's capable of scoring quickly like he showed today where he was striking it at 200 and finding boundaries regularly.
 
DeadBall said:
Was thinking the same today actually, always though Babar and Williamson were made from the same mould but Williamson has proven me otherwise of late. Babar also did get a bit going in the PSL but they weren't continuously consistent knocks in pressure situations from the get go and mostly just upped his SR from 28 off 38 balls to 65 from 52 later on, something which Williamson exactly did too before this IPL.
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Kane's best T20 innings was against England earlier this year. He played some shots you would expect from Kohli or AB, it showed a completely different side of his game after many had written him off.
 
Kane Williamson is not a poor T20 player. He is just a decent one. His T20I average/SR is not that dissimilar to his T20 domestic Avg/SR. He probably has turned a corner and as [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] mentioned I remember him playing a very good innings against England earlier this year. So we need to wait and see. Kane is a brilliant player and I rate him very highly. He will surely start replicating his form in T20I as well.
 
MumbaiIndiansFan said:
LOL at people saying IPL is only a high scoring tournament...especially in a thread related to Kane. Kane plays half the matches in Hyderabad which is the slowest ground among all the IPL grounds...most of the matches in Hyderabad have been <150 affairs. I get that many people here don't follow IPL but trust me IPL isn't as high scoring tournament as you guys think. It's pretty balanced. There are few grounds where average score is in 190's and then there are grounds where average score is in 140's. In last year final, MI defended 129 to win the tournament. Average score in IPL is usually in 160's which is kinda perfect for a T20 tournament
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To be fair, he's been leeching off flat pitches away from home. The average drops big time as soon as he plays at home.

In Hyderabad:

35.66

Away:

68.50
 
Let's be honest, only a few teams risk their best bowlers in T20Is. The top test/ODI teams would not risk their bowlers for useless T20Is.

A top Australian fast bowler, Mitchell Starc has played 22 T20Is since his debut 6 years back - more than half of these were in the WCs.

Hazlewood has played 7 T20Is in 5 years since debut.

Bhuvaneshwar Kumar, despite being a decent T20 bowler has played only 26 T20Is in 6 years. Bumrah started off as a T20I specialist but the moment the management got the thought that he has potential for other formats, he was rested for the Nidahas trophy. Even Pandya was rested.

Hasan Ali on the other hand has played 16 already in a year and a half. Amir about 20 in less than 2 years since comeback, 37 overall.

Priorities. :afridi
 
I dont even follow the IPL but its very simple.

Less pressure and consequence

A risky batting philosophy usually leads to higher returns if it comes right but also blows up in the face when it doesn't go according to plan. In IPL or PSL or BBL, losing your wicket to a stupid risky shot will have less media scrutiny and criticism than if you do the same for your country.

This is why you see so many batsmen play with so much freedom in these leagues.
 
The_Odd_One said:
Because he does not get to face trundlers in international cricket.
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Only Wahab Riaz bowls faster in Pak lineup than Umesh and Siraj ,who were bowling against Williamson today.The runs are due to the super flat pattas tailor-made for IPL.
 
El Generico said:
Is this a serious question? There is a huge difference between domestic T20s and an International match. There are several players who dominate in domestics but aren't able to replicate that in international matches.
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IPL teams are much stronger than most international sides.

Sorry if nationalists here don't like it, but it's true.

Indian guys in the side are mostly very strong and the foreigners are the absolute best available, so if anyone thinks BD or SL or WI are anywhere near as challenging as an IPL team they need their head examined.
 
Slog said:
I dont even follow the IPL but its very simple.

Less pressure and consequence

A risky batting philosophy usually leads to higher returns if it comes right but also blows up in the face when it doesn't go according to plan. In IPL or PSL or BBL, losing your wicket to a stupid risky shot will have less media scrutiny and criticism than if you do the same for your country.

This is why you see so many batsmen play with so much freedom in these leagues.
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It's more that in the sub-continent the game is run by idiots who don't understand white-ball cricket, and hate aggressive batting. That's why despite having best batting talent India hasn't won last few white ball cups because the batsmen simply don't feel free to attack always.

This mindset will change very fast because scoring rates are climbing so quickly that people are learning.
 
MumbaiIndiansFan said:
LOL at people saying IPL is only a high scoring tournament...especially in a thread related to Kane. Kane plays half the matches in Hyderabad which is the slowest ground among all the IPL grounds...most of the matches in Hyderabad have been <150 affairs. I get that many people here don't follow IPL but trust me IPL isn't as high scoring tournament as you guys think. It's pretty balanced. There are few grounds where average score is in 190's and then there are grounds where average score is in 140's. In last year final, MI defended 129 to win the tournament. Average score in IPL is usually in 160's which is kinda perfect for a T20 tournament
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This year it's 175 per 120 balls faced. It's higher than ever before. In all of PSL 175+ wasn't chased. Here, teams were heavy underdogs even after scoring 180+, for example DD against RCB twice, because both play on small grounds.
 
DeadBall said:
Kane Williamson last 20 innings in IPL:

89, 21, 54*, 40, 24, 4, 24, 36*, 6, 50, 54, 84, 29, 0, 63, 32*, 56, 83*, 51, 81
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Without Strike rate that's all meaningless. Analyzing T20 scoring without strike rate or number of balls faced is pointless. Utterly.
 
pakistani pride said:
Yes because Babar already played over 100 games on the ultra flat tracks in the IPL?
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Babar Azam has played so many matches in Pakistan against weak bowling attacks (WI, SL, World XI and etc) in T20Is but still his SR is under 130 even when some of these sides aren't full strength.

I think Babar Azam would struggle in IPL because he isn't the best player of spin and lacks a power game. Also his SR in domestics is pretty woeful as well.

It's ridiculous that I've been reading things like Babar is better than Steve Smith and Kane Williamson in T20Is but when they're asked the question, their response is "oh we don't judge by T20 leagues".
 
based on what?? a meaningless domestic league.International cricket is not this trundlers league.Scoring runs against trundlers with no skills is easy.
 
Thats the difference between a domestic T20 league vs international cricket. Success in a T20 league does not mean a player can replicate it at international level.

Having said that, KW has been gold and as good a player as he is, I'll not be surprised if his T20I form gets better going forward.
 
cricketindiafan said:
Thats the difference between a domestic T20 league vs international cricket. Success in a T20 league does not mean a player can replicate it at international level.

Having said that, KW has been gold and as good a player as he is, I'll not be surprised if his T20I form gets better going forward.
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IPL is above the standard of average international game.

People need to realize reality. International cricket is not the pinnacle any more. How can it be? The quality of teams is too heavily constrained by geographic factors. Best domestic leagues are stronger.
 
CricketAnalyst said:
IPL is above the standard of average international game.

People need to realize reality. International cricket is not the pinnacle any more. How can it be? The quality of teams is too heavily constrained by geographic factors. Best domestic leagues are stronger.
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Laughable but expected
 
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Send1983 said:
What do you have to say for batsmen who are scoring heavily in international but failing or not so great in IPL?
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To be honest bro, can't give you an assessment of that as I've not seen any of IPL this year and hardly any before. However, there is no Pakistani players (bowlers) anymore in the IPL, so of course the standard of IPL is generally going to be inferior than international cricket! :19:
 
Because bowlers like Laughlins Thakurs and co don't play for national sides
 
Kroll said:
To be honest bro, can't give you an assessment of that as I've not seen any of IPL this year and hardly any before. However, there is no Pakistani players (bowlers) anymore in the IPL, so of course the standard of IPL is generally going to be inferior than international cricket! :19:
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I am talking about batsmen who thrashed Pak bowlers in international but failing in this years IPL.
 
Send1983 said:
I am talking about batsmen who thrashed Pak bowlers in international but failing in this years IPL.
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Not sure who these guys are, but IPL is played in a country where even Pak batsmen could thrash international class bowlers around.
 
Kroll said:
Not sure who these guys are, but IPL is played in a country where even Pak batsmen could thrash international class bowlers around.
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Then why are they struggling currently in IPL on those patta wickets where you feel average pak batters could score runs easily?
 
Send1983 said:
Then why are they struggling currently in IPL on those patta wickets where you feel average pak batters could score runs easily?
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Like I said, I don't know whos struggling and who's not. But players do go out of form sometimes and can't even buy a run on those phattas.
 
Kroll said:
Like I said, I don't know whos struggling and who's not. But players do go out of form sometimes and can't even buy a run on those phattas.
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That’s why we have been saying, judging the leagues bowling standard by individuals performances is not correct. Player performs well for a month suddenly struggle for runs next month.
 
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