Why can't Pakistan make education free and compulsory?

[Ronaldo7]

My main inspiration for this idea is England. Education is free and compulsory here till the end of secondary school.
Will it cost pakistan a lot? Too many people to accommodate? What are the reasons that they can't do it?

 

[Donal Cozzie]

Because providing key services of this nature requires money. If people arent going to pay for their kids to go to school, someone has to pay the teachers and for the upkeep of the system.

The government. The government to do this needs money in the form of taxes. How many people in Pakistan pay income tax? According to a brief search, 0.6%!!!!!!.

Scandinavian countries can take roughly half of your pay in taxes, in return for which people get free education, childcare, transport and so on. You cant get these things without having to pay in some form or another.

Also I imagine the fact that there are so many impoverished people makes it difficult to organise.

 

[Technics 1210]

My main inspiration for this idea is England. Education is free and compulsory here till the end of secondary school.
Will it cost pakistan a lot? Too many people to accommodate? What are the reasons that they can't do it?

Free education up until the end of A-Levels has a price.

UK now has less teachers, of poorer teaching skills, and larger classrooms on average compared to the 80s!

While education may be free to a certain point, the quality is comparatively poorer.

Then you have student fees for University (used to be free/grants) which pretty much means a student is around £30000K in debt once graduation is complete, and most degrees are not worth the paper they are printed on.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Free education up until the end of A-Levels has a price.

UK now has less teachers, of poorer teaching skills, and larger classrooms on average compared to the 80s!

While education may be free to a certain point, the quality is comparatively poorer.

Then you have student fees for University (used to be free/grants) which pretty much means a student is around £30000K in debt once graduation is complete, and most degrees are not worth the paper they are printed on.

Yeah i know what you're trying to say but i'm talking about basic education. When i was doing my GCSEs my parents didn't have pay a single penny upto there. The only costs were the tuition and travelling to school costs. Books were provided by the school.

 

[Itachi]

India has free education upto 10th. If you'll go to govt colleges, then you'll pay an amount of fee that is negligible.

To attract poor students, there are schemes under which food is also provided at schools.

For further studies, it does get really costly though.

 

[Syed1]

India has free education upto 10th. If you'll go to govt colleges, then you'll pay an amount of fee that is negligible.

For further studies, it does get really costly though.

Did anyone ask about India?




Government schools are free in Pak as well.

 

[Itachi]

Did anyone ask about India?




Government schools are free in Pak as well.

Why the hostile attitude?

One mentioned Pakistan, another mentioned England. I mentioned india. Can't it be a thread where one can get a glimpse of how education system across countries?

Just because an Indian has spoken, no need to take it in an offensive manner (I don't even have any idea why anyone will be triggered)

 

[Ronaldo7]

Did anyone ask about India?




Government schools are free in Pak as well.

Lighten up a bit. He didn't say anything offensive so you shouldn't either.

 

[slipcatch]

India has free education upto 10th. If you'll go to govt colleges, then you'll pay an amount of fee that is negligible.

To attract poor students, there are schemes under which food is also provided at schools.

For further studies, it does get really costly though.

How is the standard compare to privately owned expensive schools?

I am talking about only education not other extra curricular activities.

 

[Itachi]

How is the standard compare to privately owned expensive schools?

I am talking about only education not other extra curricular activities.

In very remote places (by remote I mean hours aways from nearest villages), the standard is poor. It's not surpsiring because the parents rarely send kids to the school and now they do it only because food is provided.

But in villages, it is surprisingly good. Of course not to the extent of private schools but let's say, you get the basics right there and in colleges, though you will have to work hard (as you'll lack knowledge in few subjects), the struggling period will be rather short.

These are new young teachers and they do work hard.

Govt college.... Meh. Except a few prestigious ones, others are just there to fill up the places. You'll have to do 90% of hard work by yourself to achieve anything.

 

[shaaik]

How is the standard compare to privately owned expensive schools?

I am talking about only education not other extra curricular activities.

There is no comparison. Its probably worse than Pakistan but I think Indian Private school education system is better than Pakistan though.

 

[slipcatch]

There is no comparison. Its probably worse than Pakistan but I think Indian Private school education system is better than Pakistan though.

Worse than Pakistan? Highly doubt it.

I am from interior Sindh, have lived in Karachi, government school standard in interior sindh is probably the worse you could witness all over Pakistan.

 

[Itachi]

There is no comparison. Its probably worse than Pakistan but I think Indian Private school education system is better than Pakistan though.

I would say private schools are a bit overrated. It all boils down to the mindset of the student. The environment may give you the advantage but if you don't have it inside you, others can't make you succeed.

 

[Itachi]

Worse than Pakistan? Highly doubt it.

I am from interior Sindh, have lived in Karachi, government school standard in interior sindh is probably the worse you could witness all over Pakistan.

Perhaps the scenario will be same across Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh etc.

 

[Technics 1210]

Save the drama. Education is a right, not a privilege.

 

[SportsWarrior]

In very remote places (by remote I mean hours aways from nearest villages), the standard is poor. It's not surpsiring because the parents rarely send kids to the school and now they do it only because food is provided.

But in villages, it is surprisingly good. Of course not to the extent of private schools but let's say, you get the basics right there and in colleges, though you will have to work hard (as you'll lack knowledge in few subjects), the struggling period will be rather short.

These are new young teachers and they do work hard.

Govt college.... Meh. Except a few prestigious ones, others are just there to fill up the places. You'll have to do 90% of hard work by yourself to achieve anything.

Actually the RTE (Right to education bill) has helped a lot in this aspect in Cities. RTE allows up to 25% reservation even in private schools for children from underprivileged background. I used volunteer for some NGOs in Bangalore who help get child placed in some high profile schools charges Lakhs of rupees per year. The process is straight forward (although the target audience will find it difficult to follow, hence NGOs). i have seen 100s of children belonging to families whose sole breadwinners are maids, auto drivers, daily wage earners, hawkers, go to some of the most high profile schools whose yearly fees are three to five times the parent's yearly income. Some kids do find it difficult in these schools and the teachers are actually accommodate and setup self help teams who will guides those kids. It is extremely fulfilling to see them succeed. here are some more links if you want to explore

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_Children_to_Free_and_Compulsory_Education_Act,_2009
http://righttoeducation.in/

if you are Indian posters, reach out to your local private schools and you will be able to volunteer if you are interested.

Regarding the government school, they are actually quite good when they have reasonable infrastructure as is the case in cities, taluks and villages. Only in the very far away (generally tribal districts) it is very poor. Most of the schools provide reasonable food in the afternoon and there are targets for schools to retain the students in the school. They tend to do well. I used to volunteer my time for the mid day meals projects and if you have questions ask me.. now i just provide financial support.. here is one good one

https://www.akshayapatra.org/

Even small contribution from your side can make schools better..

Pakistani posters, if you have some great resources, like above share please. It would be a learning experience for all of us on how to make this better

 

[Ronaldo7]

Save the drama. Education is a right, not a privilege.

What drama r u referring to?

 

[Technics 1210]

What drama r u referring to?

Mere bhai, not you.

 

[Pak Warrior]

We need to do so much reform for Pakistan that it makes my mind hurt when I think about it. The education system, healthcare system, are where we should focus on. The govt is doing a decent job in tackling corruption, they should next focus on the foundation and infrastructure for setting up quality education for every child of Pakistan. When we have a solid educated youth our country future will be positive and bright, and many problems we have will eventually get sorted out. The health care system will benefit from better educated pool of students to pick from, more educated the people the less chance for people to be taken advantage of also. They will know the laws and their rights.

 

[saeedhk]

Pakistan can learn a thing or two from the Indians when it comes to education.

India’s education system is far superior than Pakistan’s.

 

[SensiblePakFan]

1 word.. Corruption.

 

[Pakistanian]

Maybe you should've googled this question before posting a thread because officially education is both compulsory and supposed to be provided by the state in Pakistan.

Article 25-A of Constitution of Pakistan obligates the state to provide free and compulsory quality education to children of the age group 5 to 16 years. "The State shall provide free and compulsory education to all children of the age of five to sixteen years in such a manner as may be determined by law"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Pakistan

 

[Pete Rose]

Children are often breadwinners in rural families. Offering education is great but you have to incentivize

 

[miandadrules]

It’s not really in the interests of the elites, be they political or religious, to have an educated populace.

They would rather you continue to behave like savages, totally engulfed in your own ignorance.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Maybe you should've googled this question before posting a thread because officially education is both compulsory and supposed to be provided by the state in Pakistan.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Pakistan

My question was rather to ask why half of our population is uneducated and why there are fewer girls in school than boys. This is was just the thought i had.

 

[Madplayer]

Pakistan needs to declare an education emergency in the nation.

 

[The_Odd_One]

64% of the 200 Million population is under the age of 30. The amount required to setup free education will be enormous unless it comes from the taxes.