Why can't we allow spinners to chuck given how batting friendly things are today?

[Savak]

An argument could be made against allowing pacers to chuck but given the heavy bats, small boundaries, fielding restrictions, modern batsmen being better hitters compared to their predecessors, why not make things even by allowing spinners to chuck?

A class batsman will find ways to deal with all bowlers for eg Sangakarra, ABD, Kohli vs A pre 15 degree Ajmal

 

[Michael Chopra]

Because it is cricket and not baseball

 

[Chokli]

Seriously dude?

 

[Rana]

I’ve always thought that as long as a bowler is bowling below 100kmh which is very much easy to deal with, they can and should allow some leeway to the bend of the arm rule.

 

[Hawkeye]

Nobody should be allowed chucking.

Ban throwers.

But only if they really are throwers - test them out.

Cannot throw tantrum on the field like Taylor did. It's not street cricket.

 

[Hedz]

One question, why is the degree limit set at 15 degrees and why not 20/30
Is there a specific technical reason or something else?

 

[docteurmanish]

human elbow has a natural angle .. hence upto 15 degrees

 

[Bilal7]

One question, why is the degree limit set at 15 degrees and why not 20/30
Is there a specific technical reason or something else?

They tested several bowlers and found out that 95% were chucking under the old rules which allowed no degree of flexing. This was then changed to 15 degrees so the likes of Wasim and McGrath were not banned for "chucking".

Several years later they changed the rules again, this time it was a change in how they measured the flexing of the elbow. This meant that bowlers who had previously, easily cleared the tests (Ajmal, being the most famous example), were now found to be over the limit.

 

[Madplayer]

I kid you not on this . If i am allowed to chuck, i will get kohli out 2-3 times in an over.

 

[Sam99]

Nobody should be allowed chucking.

Ban throwers.

But only if they really are throwers - test them out.

Cannot throw tantrum on the field like Taylor did. It's not street cricket.

Good so chuck till you don't get caught and if you get caught, go and when icc does tests bowl normally and get passed. When back again chuck and again repeat same procedure.

 

[Hawkeye]

Good so chuck till you don't get caught and if you get caught, go and when icc does tests bowl normally and get passed. When back again chuck and again repeat same procedure.

I will repeat my post:

You really have no idea how the tests are done, right? If you're called for a particular delivery, you have to replicate that exact delivery and then you're measured.

You can't "pass" the test by bowling clean during the test, and chuck in the match.

When you're unable to replicate that delivery or if you replicate but with >15 degree flex, you ARE BANNED.

Then you come up with a new action that is also tested first.

 

[natkhat-shahzada]

Great reply. Pretty logical. Should end the story here.

I will repeat my post:

You really have no idea how the tests are done, right? If you're called for a particular delivery, you have to replicate that exact delivery and then you're measured.

You can't "pass" the test by bowling clean during the test, and chuck in the match.

When you're unable to replicate that delivery or if you replicate but with >15 degree flex, you ARE BANNED.

Then you come up with a new action that is also tested first.

 

[Aman]

140kph darts incoming

 

[Aman]

Nobody should be allowed chucking.

Ban throwers.

But only if they really are throwers - test them out.

Cannot throw tantrum on the field like Taylor did. It's not street cricket.

Chucking shouldn't be allowed or celebrated at the highest level, some have already won many matches and made a career from it.

 

[Hawkeye]

Chucking shouldn't be allowed or celebrated at the highest level, some have already won many matches and made a career from it.

One example is Ajmal.

I can't support that thrower.

If Hafeez actually does chuck again, he should be labeled a thrower as well. But no, if Taylor throws a tantrum, that does not mean Hafeez is chucking.

I wouldn't be against testing him. But do tell me what balls did you see where you actually suspected blatant chucking today?

 

[trickyone]

I kid you not on this . If i am allowed to chuck, i will get kohli out 2-3 times in an over.

Humblebrag

 

[Braveheart]

An argument could be made against allowing pacers to chuck but given the heavy bats, small boundaries, fielding restrictions, modern batsmen being better hitters compared to their predecessors, why not make things even by allowing spinners to chuck?

A class batsman will find ways to deal with all bowlers for eg Sangakarra, ABD, Kohli vs A pre 15 degree Ajmal

Well, Harbajan Singh made lucrative career out of it without ever getting 'called'.
Pity he did not go on to represent India in the Olympics Javelin.

 

[Madplayer]

Humblebrag

What? Chucking gives you superpowers mate. You can turn the ball square at pace.

 

[CricFan2012]

Game is tilted towards batting so this wouldn't be a bad idea BUT spinners would start dominating the game and fast bowling and leg spin bowling will be overlooked.

 

[CricketDon]

Talk about a Hafeez fan boy.

He chucks get over it. He’s never taken a legitimate wicket.

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

This is how your nr. 1 ranked bowler will look like.

 

[trickyone]

What? Chucking gives you superpowers mate. You can turn the ball square at pace.

Not enough superpower to get the best batsman out in 2-3 in an over... Most of the chuckers don't have the proper line and length...

 

[gazza619]

What would be more useful is if we have only one new ball instead of one from each end. Reverse swing is dead.

 

[Madplayer]

Not enough superpower to get the best batsman out in 2-3 in an over... Most of the chuckers don't have the proper line and length...

Most chuckers in the game dont go full throttle as far as chucking is concerned because of the 15 degree rule. They cant make it too visible. However, if chucking is made legitimate, not only will chuckers improve their line and length, they will be bowling out teams under 100 in ODIs regularly and test matches would be getting over in 2.5 days.

 

[Kaptan]

Why can't we allow fixers and bookies in the game given how difficult it is to earn money now a days.

 

[Last Monetarist]

Why can't we allow fast bowlers to bowl 6 beamers an over given how easy it is to score runs these days ?

 

[Balthazar]

Then it's not called bowling, it will be a throwing. Besides, a bowler gets 60 deliveries while the batsman gets only one chance.

 

[Madplayer]

Why can't we allow fixers and bookies in the game given how difficult it is to earn money now a days.

Why can't we allow fast bowlers to bowl 6 beamers an over given how easy it is to score runs these days ?

 

[cricketjoshila]

I will repeat my post:

You really have no idea how the tests are done, right? If you're called for a particular delivery, you have to replicate that exact delivery and then you're measured.

You can't "pass" the test by bowling clean during the test, and chuck in the match.

When you're unable to replicate that delivery or if you replicate but with >15 degree flex, you ARE BANNED.

Then you come up with a new action that is also tested first.

That is true for the 1st time test. When you go for the re test after modifying your action there is no match footage of that modified action so they see if the modified action is clean or not and then clear it.

Now if you are reported again then your action is matched with your previoys modified cleared action and the present test action.

So you can chuck during the time from when your modified action is cleared till the time you are called again.

 

[Hawkeye]

That is true for the 1st time test. When you go for the re test after modifying your action there is no match footage of that modified action so they see if the modified action is clean or not and then clear it.

Now if you are reported again then your action is matched with your previoys modified cleared action and the present test action.

So you can chuck during the time from when your modified action is cleared till the time you are called again.

Yes.

That is true. But this can only be determined once he's checked.

To the naked eye he wasn't chucking, at least not the delivery Ross was talking about.

If he was actually chucking and gets reported, he'd have to bowl that delivery again in the lab.

 

[cricketindiafan]

Why stop at chucking then? Make ball tampering and under the arm bowling legal as well.

 

[King Kong]

I think this thread starter is the same guy who once opened a thread for appreciating Umar Akmal for not fixing. Seriously?

 

[Hasan123]

Chucking is cheating. No room for that.

 

[Hedz]

They tested several bowlers and found out that 95% were chucking under the old rules which allowed no degree of flexing. This was then changed to 15 degrees so the likes of Wasim and McGrath were not banned for "chucking".

Several years later they changed the rules again, this time it was a change in how they measured the flexing of the elbow. This meant that bowlers who had previously, easily cleared the tests (Ajmal, being the most famous example), were now found to be over the limit.

Ohh thanks for that. So there’s every possibility it can change in the future either way

 

[jnaveen1980]

Bowling is one of the fundamental aspect of cricket. It seperates baseball and cricket. So i am surprised at this proposal.

 

[gazza619]

I think you were trying to suggest that the current 15 degree limit does not allow bowlers to bowl doosras. I am not an expert but may be if bowlers were allowed to flex to say 18-20, doosra would be possible..

 

[Buffet]

Cricket =/= Batting + Throwing + Fielding

 

[cricketworm]

So called "batting friendly" label is getting on my nerve. There are plenty of occasions where games are evenly contested. Especially in tests, there is more results than draws that we used to get in the past. ODI and T20 crickets are enjoyed the most on a slightly flatter surface (doesn't mean that team will score 350 runs every day of the week.) If you take today's game, pitch was pretty much great to bat on, but due to humid condition, pitch gets slow, which is enough for batsman to make mistakes.

 

[Savak]

ICC needs to reallow chucking, reverse swing and 3 bouncers in an over to give some additional challenges to batsmen in ODI's and T-20's for the most part

 

[BreadPakoda]

Pakistan barely crosses 200 with chucking banned.

 

[CadPakFan]

Maybe the limit for spinners could be increased to 20 degrees. That could balance things out.

 

[Sin Nombre]

Given some of the most profile test series in recent years have had both teams getting bundled out for less than 300, we are not in batting-friendly conditions.

 

[iPakistani]

Why can't we extend the wide crease lines since the game is favoured towards batsmen

 

[kingusama92]

You'll have someone like Aroldis Chapman (baseball pitcher) throwing 169 KPH fastballs at the stumps with no runup.