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Why did Hindus become Islamophobic?

I know it’s a difficult time for you and your countrymen, don’t writhe so much in pain and lash out with your Islamophobia so much.

Pray for peace like most peaceful Muslims around the world. And don’t dwell on your hate and generalizations too much. Such bigotry and bitterness is not good for one’s health.

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You are deflecting again.

doesn't matter if 90% are peaceful if 10% are willing to kill over cartoons.

WRT Pak positioning as middle man, haven't they been playing this role since the 70's with Nixon (another conservatiove crook)

Didn't help pakistan much in the long run.
 
The Quran is clear in describing the inherent hatred of the faith and God by the polytheists. India is the biggest polytheistic society in the world. You do the maths.
 
You are deflecting again.

doesn't matter if 90% are peaceful if 10% are willing to kill over cartoons.

WRT Pak positioning as middle man, haven't they been playing this role since the 70's with Nixon (another conservatiove crook)

Didn't help pakistan much in the long run.

10% aren't willing to kill over cartoons.
 
You are deflecting again.

doesn't matter if 90% are peaceful if 10% are willing to kill over cartoons.

WRT Pak positioning as middle man, haven't they been playing this role since the 70's with Nixon (another conservatiove crook)

Didn't help pakistan much in the long run.
Oh how very interesting! So by the same token if 10% of Hindus are hindutva fanatics, can we conveniently label the whole lot islamophobes by default?

I’m glad we are finally agreeing on something and you are admitting to your status as an islamophobe finally?

Acceptance is the first step as they say
 
Oh how very interesting! So by the same token if 10% of Hindus are hindutva fanatics,
define hindutva fanatic.

Are the wlling to kill over freedom of expression in another country? come back to me when they commit murder and burn embassies in other countries over cartoons
can we conveniently label the whole lot islamophobes by default?
Guess you still havent learned the meaning of Phobia
I’m glad we are finally agreeing on something and you are admitting to your status as an islamophobe finally?
I loath all religions. your bigotry make you focus only on islam.
Acceptance is the first step as they say
One that you muslims haven't reached yet.
 
Which would be you ... because this is the sequence of events that lead upto to the 92-93 riots :

1 Muslims refuse to give up the Babri Mosque site which was built by demolishing a Ram temple ( one of the most sacred temples in Hinduism )
2. Hindus file court case - offer to settle the dispute in a civilized manner and keep try it for decades
3. Muslims simply do not yield
4. Finally in 1992 the Hindu vigilante groups take matters into their own hands and demolish the mosque
5. Riots follow as Muslims are upset that the Mosque that stood squarely on a Temple was destroyed and for good measure more evidence surfaces from the rubble that the site indeed used to be a temple.

So now considering that you still hold Hindus responsible for the loss of life it is very obvious that Muslims simply have a completely opposite sense of right and wrong ( to put it very mildly )


@Stewie ... no response ?
 
define hindutva fanatic.

Are the wlling to kill over freedom of expression in another country? come back to me when they commit murder and burn embassies in other countries over cartoons

Guess you still havent learned the meaning of Phobia

I loath all religions. your bigotry make you focus only on islam.

No you don’t, you just made an excuse for Hindutva.

Mask slip every time.
One that you muslims haven't reached yet.
 
If you combine total Muslims in the subcontinent, that would actually make it the group with the highest percentage of crime rate and socio-economic issues in the area.

On top of that there is rampant radicalization due to these poverty issues.

That’s a dangerous concoction.

Most Educated and rich Muslims from what I notice never address the problem staring them in the face and always juggle around and show you victim hood and excuses.
 
Observation:

Overwhelming majority of Hindus do not own their religion or belief in public, they own being Indian because its unmistakable and they can't hide it.

But when it comes to their beliefs or ideologies they hide! Here in America, you will hardly find a single Hindu at workplace who will publicly own that:
  1. They consider cow as (or near) a deity
  2. Cow Urine as sacred
Americans are beef eating people and they will regard both of these as absurd so Hindus just hide behind a "Vegetarian" label...

I would be happy to be educated, please post Public acknowledgement in deep South of Hindus owning both these beliefs in America.

Response:


Generalizing Hindus to just cow urine etc is equivalent of generalizing all Muslims into practices like 4 wives, Halala etc. or the guy who doesn’t fear wearing the bomb or scared of the bomb unless it’s a champagne cork.

Reality:

Not a single Hindu that I have witnessed or heard will own up in America:
  1. I consider cow as (or near) a deity
  2. Cow Urine as sacred
Polygany is permissible in Islam and openly admitted by Muslim everyday...
 
Polygany is permissible in Islam and openly admitted by Muslim everyday...
permissible in some Islamic countries maybe not in modern civil society. Free to move where it’s allowed 👍, also I know 4 is the limit but any age limit ? As a Hindu from a conservative family and community of some repute, I have never seen anyone around me or myself try cow urine but with a gun to my head, i will gladly drink it if my other option is to exploit a child or even slash throat of an innocent goat/ cow. Hope that answers your question.
 
Observation:


Overwhelming majority of Hindus do not own their religion or belief in public, they own being Indian because its unmistakable and they can't hide it.

But when it comes to their beliefs or ideologies they hide! Here in America, you will hardly find a single Hindu at workplace who will publicly own that:
  1. They consider cow as (or near) a deity
  2. Cow Urine as sacred
Americans are beef eating people and they will regard both of these as absurd so Hindus just hide behind a "Vegetarian" label...

I would be happy to be educated, please post Public acknowledgement in deep South of Hindus owning both these beliefs in America.

Non-Answer:


permissible in some Islamic countries maybe not in modern civil society. Free to move where it’s allowed 👍, also I know 4 is the limit but any age limit ? As a Hindu from a conservative family and community of some repute, I have never seen anyone around me or myself try cow urine but with a gun to my head, i will gladly drink it if my other option is to exploit a child or even slash throat of an innocent goat/ cow. Hope that answers your question.

Doubling Down on Whataboutism:

Generalizing Hindus to just cow urine etc is equivalent of generalizing all Muslims into practices like 4 wives, Halala etc. or the guy who doesn’t fear wearing the bomb or scared of the bomb unless it’s a champagne cork.

Simple Words (Again):

Here in America, you will hardly find a single Hindu at workplace who will publicly own that:
  1. They consider cow as (or near) a deity
  2. Cow Urine as sacred
Americans are beef eating people and they will regard both of these as absurd so Hindus just hide behind a "Vegetarian" label...
 
Sure ... pls note the sacred texts are just one part of it. You can also see that in practice in India where for example cows are walked thru the house during house warming ceremonies in India and many religious events involve cows.




Its actually the other way round. The stature of a Cow is literally equal to that of God in Hinduism .. which is why we worship them unlike say a pig which is actually reviled in your religion yet most Islamic countries actually ban pork.




Abortion is Legal in numerous parts of the world including some states within the US itself.... doesn't mean that some states in the US cannot have laws banning abortion. Similarly wearing Burqa is not normal for most women in the world. Doesn't mean that Muslims have to abandon that practice (and I could go on and one with such contradictions from practically every religion) These are religious beliefs you cannot subject them to a logic test.

Look , I appreciate that you respect cows and no need to write about the utility of that animal . At the same time there are so many stray cows in India also causing disturbances. That side is also true.

If you look into hindus now ( not the scriptures ) , there is no limit to things worshiped by them. There is No concrete jurisprudence that is followed. So when you say cows are worshiped and are on the same level as god , it is not that important because of the multitude of things worshiped.

As far as Burqa is concerned , it is a personal choice , No Muslim should force a Non Muslim or even a Muslim to wear that.

In abortion a human life is involved , whether it is mother or child. If I eat beef is another Human life involved ?

If you have any more questions you can put in now , then we will see the prohibitions of eating beef from scriptures. But I hope that you accept the veracity of those scriptures and take them as authority good enough to be imposed on others .
 
Look , I appreciate that you respect cows and no need to write about the utility of that animal . At the same time there are so many stray cows in India also causing disturbances. That side is also true.

Yes the Government has not done a good job at enforcing cow protection. That doesn't mean that cows are not sacred

If you look into hindus now ( not the scriptures ) , there is no limit to things worshiped by them. There is No concrete jurisprudence that is followed. So when you say cows are worshiped and are on the same level as god , it is not that important because of the multitude of things worshiped.

The problem here is you are trying to apply logic and rationale to religious beliefs. The entire concept of religious Belief requires a huge leap of faith. Just like your prophet went to Heaven on a horse with wings.

As far as Burqa is concerned , it is a personal choice , No Muslim should force a Non Muslim or even a Muslim to wear that.

But the point was made in the context of what the world at large practices.


In abortion a human life is involved , whether it is mother or child. If I eat beef is another Human life involved ?

again atop stop using logic and the context was different ... pls keep track of the discussion. Cows are sacred for Hindus and the matter ends there.


If you have any more questions you can put in now , then we will see the prohibitions of eating beef from scriptures. But I hope that you accept the veracity of those scriptures and take them as authority good enough to be imposed on others .

not sure what this means.
 
Time for this thread to go deep sleep.
Poster and some Anti india elements :inti are hiding from this thread as Muslim are the culprit here.

Mod will not opening thread and even if anyone open they merged with another thread .

While Many fake propaganda thread open on India here.

:klopp :kp
 
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Yes the Government has not done a good job at enforcing cow protection. That doesn't mean that cows are not sacred



The problem here is you are trying to apply logic and rationale to religious beliefs. The entire concept of religious Belief requires a huge leap of faith. Just like your prophet went to Heaven on a horse with wings.



But the point was made in the context of what the world at large practices.




again atop stop using logic and the context was different ... pls keep track of the discussion. Cows are sacred for Hindus and the matter ends there.




not sure what this means.

I am not saying that the Government has done nothing , what I am saying is that it is not possible to protect all cows.
Something sacred cannot be millions of cows. It's natural they will get old and lose their vitality , and thus they are sold off to butchers.

No , I am not applying logic to beliefs. First of all I have never seen a Temple dedicated to cows as a deity , and I highly doubt any one in India has seen that. Secondly , its a fact that Hindus worship almost anything, Actually they do not understand the difference between respect and worship. So , end of the day there can be several things which can be hold as sacred.


I repeat Burqa is worn by some women , they do not force anyone to wear or remove it. They are completely neutral , where as this unemployed frustrated Gau Rakshaks are killing people . No one gave them authority to act like that , even suppose there is a law for that , its job of police and court.


Cows are sacred that is your and your cults point of view , keep that , no one is telling you to do otherwise , but as I said you should not force that on others . Its not about Hindus , even If a Muslim forces something My answer would be same. Cows are not God or deity in hinduism.

I meant that if your points are over , I would like to come to scriptures , which you mentioned. My first question regarding that would be do you consider the scriptures you have in that article as authority ?
 
So True
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"You will surely find the most intense of the people in animosity toward the believers [to be] the Jews and those who associate others with Allah [polytheists]; and you will find the nearest of them in affection to the believers those who say, 'We are Christians.' That is because among them are priests and monks and because they are not arrogant." (Quran 5:82)
 
So True
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"You will surely find the most intense of the people in animosity toward the believers [to be] the Jews and those who associate others with Allah [polytheists]; and you will find the nearest of them in affection to the believers those who say, 'We are Christians.' That is because among them are priests and monks and because they are not arrogant." (Quran 5:82)

Post #399 tells you.why ... you expertly ducked that as usual
 
so lets get this straight .... you think there is nothing wrong at all in Muslims brazenly and deliberately squatting in a extremely sacred site of some other religion knowing very well that the Mosque was built upon a sacred Hindu temple ?

BTW this nonsense is still going on in other sacred temples which were also demolished and occupied by Muslims( see image below ) . Go ahead tell me why Hindus should NOT forcibly take over that site in the image below too. Just so you know Muslims doggedly refuse to vacate that site below when it is clear that it is Mosque standing on the ruins of a temple. In other words its the exact same story as the Babri mosque.

So confirm that you see nothing wrong in that sort of behavior. And BTW what do you call such community that shamelessly occupies sacred sites of other religions.


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I have answered this already, anyways so far in your "secular" India under Modi we have seen more mosques getting demolished than anything else.

Also that Islam calls for demolishing mosques?? You have all the time in the world to answer it. Go ahead
 
Condemnable if true, but very hard to trust your sources Dev.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...wballs-what-we-know/articleshow/130224298.cms


Or source chahiye? Bhai tum fake source use karte ho iska matlab ye ni m bhi karu.

:klopp :kp
 
"According to police complaints, eight women employees alleged that senior colleagues sexually and mentally harassed them over a period of time. They also alleged pressure linked to religious practices and conversion, claims that have triggered a wider political and administrative response.

Investigators said the HR department was accused of ignoring repeated complaints raised by the employees."
If this is true, then every minority who was harassed, forced to say “Jai Shri Ram,” lynched on mere suspicion transporting a cow, targeted for marrying outside their community, forced to consume things against their will, or pressured over how they dress, should be able to sue every single person who voted for and continues to support this environment.

And if y’all are getting upset over this but stayed silent when minorities were going through it, then you already know exactly who you are.
 
This is happening to Hindus in Pak on a daily basis 👇. One guy getting smacked around for eating beef (shouldn’t happen still) vs young girls probably kids getting exploited everyday. Makes me sick 🤮


 
But islamophobiia bro! Becos we all know muslims as group would never involved in activities like this

Well , RSS members celebrated and garland rapists , that does not mean it should be linked to mindset of all Hindus.

Similarly , in this case the matter should be in court , and the court should punish according to the rule of land. Any one who thinks differently , is either ignorant or evil.
 
If this is true, then every minority who was harassed, forced to say “Jai Shri Ram,” lynched on mere suspicion transporting a cow, targeted for marrying outside their community, forced to consume things against their will, or pressured over how they dress, should be able to sue every single person who voted for and continues to support this environment.

And if y’all are getting upset over this but stayed silent when minorities were going through it, then you already know exactly who you are.
Remember, these are the enlightened, educated moderate muslims. who are being "oppressed" So you can excuse them for sure
 
Remember, these are the enlightened, educated moderate muslims. who are being "oppressed" So you can excuse them for sure
Remember, you present yourself as an educated, moderate, supposedly enlightened atheist, yet you can’t seem to stop defending Hindutva supremacy.

And the reality is, most Hindutva supporters also see themselves the same way, educated, moderate, and enlightened Hindus, who can't stop supporting Hindu supremacy in India by electing Hindutva politicians.
 
This is happening to Hindus in Pak on a daily basis 👇. One guy getting smacked around for eating beef (shouldn’t happen still) vs young girls probably kids getting exploited everyday. Makes me sick 🤮



That's sad. Minorities have always been second class citizens in Pakistan. :(
 
Remember, you present yourself as an educated, moderate, supposedly enlightened atheist, yet you can’t seem to stop defending Hindutva supremacy.
You are here making excuses for muslims. around the world for murders and riots. I'm not defending gau rakshalks
And the reality is, most Hindutva supporters also see themselves the same way, educated, moderate, and enlightened Hindus, who can't stop supporting Hindu supremacy in India by electing Hindutva politicians.
Can't help you with what religious nutters do.
 
And no Pakistani on this thread would be saying, 'one person is getting forced converted' vs this and that.

:afridi

Correct, they focus exclusively on hindutva. You have a doctorate in it. :)

I haven't read through this thread yet but I have a feeling some of the indian posters must have run circles around you. Tell me I'm wrong.
 
The reason for the question is, because there is also a claim that Buddhism is also a Dharmic faith which arose from Hinduism, yet Buddhists seem to have a holistic view of Islam as part of a wider world which is accepted same as any other belief.

Yet Hindus seem singularly hostile to Islam, although in my view this was not always the case. Previous Indian govts have tended to protect Muslim sentiments for example, refusing to publish the Satanic Verses and supporting the Palestinians against being ethnically cleansed from their own homeland.

Do posters feel that the broader wisdom in Hindu teachings have become narrowed down to a more reactive and defensive posture in the last century?

Buddhists drove out rohingya Muslims from Myanmar,

Problem is in the subcontinent Muslims have problems co existing with other faiths, they always want special privileges or a separation. Most of the time they get into trouble because of that
 
Correct, they focus exclusively on hindutva. You have a doctorate in it. :)

I haven't read through this thread yet but I have a feeling some of the indian posters must have run circles around you. Tell me I'm wrong.

I guess perspective matters, yours is shaped by your environment, and mine by mine. For me, even a single instance of oppression against a minority is one too many. But when you use cases of Hindus being forcibly converted as a counter, instead of outright condemning or even acknowledging India’s collective bigotry, and brush it off with “it happens”, that’s exactly where perspective shows.

On the other hand, you think someone pointing out India’s broader pattern of bigotry against minorities, whether Muslims or Christians, while you counter with forced conversions of Hindus in Pakistan is somehow running circles around me.

So no, you aren’t wrong, this is exactly what Hindutva falls back on in every thread when it has to defend bigotry in India.

So yes, you’re 100%.
 
You are here making excuses for muslims. around the world for murders and riots. I'm not defending gau rakshalks

Can't help you with what religious nutters do.
No, I’m not, I’m defending people’s right to practice their religion, which you’re trying to strip ( only Muslims) away while disguising it as secularism.
 
Buddhists drove out rohingya Muslims from Myanmar,

Problem is in the subcontinent Muslims have problems co existing with other faiths, they always want special privileges or a separation. Most of the time they get into trouble because of that
Then let me have beef in the middle of Delhi and Mumbai,

Why do you want special treatment?
 
Due to reason like this?
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India's TCS to probe sexual assault, religious conversion allegations in western India office​


Tata Consultancy Services (TCS.NS), opens new tab has ordered a probe into allegations of sexual assault and forced ‌religious conversion involving employees at its Nashik office in western India, its parent Tata Sons said on Monday.
The probe, led by TCS's Chief Operating ⁠Officer Aarthi Subramanian, is underway to establish the facts and identify those responsible, Tata Sons Chairman N. Chandrasekaran said in a statement.

“Any necessary process improvements or corrective measures will be promptly implemented and strictly enforced,” he added.
Nashik city police are investigating ‌nine ⁠complaints linked to the alleged incidents at the branch of India's largest software exporter, the Indian Express reported.
Police have arrested ⁠six people so far, the newspaper said.
The employees under investigation have been suspended pending the inquiry, a ⁠TCS spokesperson said.
“We are looking into the incident carefully. The investigations ⁠are underway,” Maharashtra Chief Minister Devendra Fadnavis told reporters on Sunday.

 
Due to reason like this?
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India's TCS to probe sexual assault, religious conversion allegations in western India office​


Tata Consultancy Services (TCS.NS), opens new tab has ordered a probe into allegations of sexual assault and forced ‌religious conversion involving employees at its Nashik office in western India, its parent Tata Sons said on Monday.
The probe, led by TCS's Chief Operating ⁠Officer Aarthi Subramanian, is underway to establish the facts and identify those responsible, Tata Sons Chairman N. Chandrasekaran said in a statement.

“Any necessary process improvements or corrective measures will be promptly implemented and strictly enforced,” he added.
Nashik city police are investigating ‌nine ⁠complaints linked to the alleged incidents at the branch of India's largest software exporter, the Indian Express reported.
Police have arrested ⁠six people so far, the newspaper said.
The employees under investigation have been suspended pending the inquiry, a ⁠TCS spokesperson said.
“We are looking into the incident carefully. The investigations ⁠are underway,” Maharashtra Chief Minister Devendra Fadnavis told reporters on Sunday.



Do you believe such examples (I won't argue the veracity of such claims) reflect the majority Muslim population of India?
 
Do you believe such examples (I won't argue the veracity of such claims) reflect the majority Muslim population of India?
Majority of muslims in India thinks like Arfa and Rana Ayyub. Hence they get hatred from Hindus of India. Then again, its not restricted to Hindus or India...its worldwide. You must know it staying in Bradford.
 
And now, for something completely different...

Muslims demand special treatment in Japan.

 
Majority of muslims in India thinks like Arfa and Rana Ayyub. Hence they get hatred from Hindus of India. Then again, its not restricted to Hindus or India...its worldwide. You must know it staying in Bradford.


If I lived in Bradford surely I would have bumped into you by now?
 
And now, for something completely different...

Muslims demand special treatment in Japan.

This is the funniest stuff in that article.

Advocates argue that the decision violates religious freedom and human dignity.

They want to kill every kafir, hazara , shia etc but wants to be treated fairly.
 
I guess perspective matters, yours is shaped by your environment, and mine by mine. For me, even a single instance of oppression against a minority is one too many. But when you use cases of Hindus being forcibly converted as a counter, instead of outright condemning or even acknowledging India’s collective bigotry, and brush it off with “it happens”, that’s exactly where perspective shows.

How noble and righteous of you, you deserve a pat on the head for your tireless efforts in calling out bigotry in India :therethere
 
How noble and righteous of you, you deserve a pat on the head for your tireless efforts in calling out bigotry in India :therethere

Instead of handing out pats, maybe try doing the same yourself, unless, of course, finding excuses and getting offended is the main skill you’re bringing to the table.
 
Y’all are walking straight into the trap, turning this into a Piers Morgan style “do you condemn this, do you condemn that” circus. That’s exactly what the Hindutva crowd wants, drag you into defending broad generalizations instead of calling them out.

Just stop. No matter how you phrase it, they’re not here to understand, they’ve already decided what they want to believe about Muslims and Pakistanis.

Have some self respect and let them argue with themselves in their own echo chamber. Outside of it, the world has moved on, those recycled 90s talking points aren’t fooling anyone anymore.
 
Hr nida khan is on the run after the police investigation.As of now 12 employeers are named.All of them were charged with religious abuse, offering jobs/hikes to convert the religion .Employes were made to offer roza, namaz etc.Imagine the situation in pious Aurangzeb, tipu etc.

 
One would assume that in Narendra Modi’s fourth largest economy, no one could be coerced or enticed into changing their religion. If we’re to believe the claim that the Mughal Empire achieved conversions through economic incentives.

Hindutva gonna Hindutva
 
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