Why did Pakistan give away a part of Kashmir to China?

[Varun]

A warm welcome to the 2,964th thread on Kashmir - we just can't get enough!

Though I don't reckon this subject is talked about enough: Pakistan ceding hundreds of square kilometres of land in Northern Kashmir to China in 1963. Why did they do this? Was it to facilitate transportation and trade? Did China want to get closer to Afghanistan?

Did the populace living there want to be part of China (and not India or Pakistan?)

 

[Mamoon]

I am refraining from giving my opinion on this matter because I want to hear what the usual suspects have to say, whose hypocrisy when it comes to China can be seen from the moon.

They commit worse crimes and atrocities against Muslims than India, but you won’t hear a peep from the usual suspects on PP.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Only one reply to thread yet some serious gaslighting has started

 

[bond]

china?
/close

Pakistan ditched Kashmiris?
/close

 

[Pakistanian]

It's not Kashmir, it was a very small piece of land known as the Shaksgam hill tracts which the Chinese had claims over and most of the people there were Buddhists., Pakistan didn't mind ceding a small piece land to protect the rest of Kashmir from being claimed by the Chinese.

Also in exchange China helped build the Karakorum highway.

 

[TM Riddle]

Because it wasn't part of Kashmir and belonged to China historically. Pakistan just helped them take what was rightfully theirs . That's what friendship is all about. Helping your weak mates, isn't it?

Lol @ Indians and their clickbait threads.

 

[Varun]

Come on folks. Only 4 replies with only 1 of them trying to answer the question.

It's a genuine query; even Wiki's article on this is quite convoluted so eager to hear the economic / strategic justification.

 

[Itachi]

You are asking a question which most will avoid to answer. I raised this question earlier. Didn't get any reply then.

 

[ManFan]

I’m not well read on the topic but it seems that it belonged to China ranging back to the MacCartney-MacDonald Line via the British to stop Russian influence.

The last part makes sense as far back as the events leading up to the Doomsday Machine that resulted in WW1.

 

[troodon]

Easy to give away something that is not yours. Also, it bolstered the China-Pak friendship which in turn will be a slap to India.

 

[blackanhyellow]

Oh god, Indians with their revisionist history again.

And India accuses Pakistan of altering history books

Bhais and bhens, the region that Pakistan ceded to China was China's rightful land as per the Maccartney-macdonald line (go read about it).

Also, lets not forget, China also ceded some land to Pakistan, although it was a lot less land, but that land was on the Pakistan side of the line so it was rightfully Pakistan.

Pakistan honored the line with China, just as it attempted to honor the durrand line at the Afghanistan border.

Also keep in mind, no people were on the land that Pakistan ceded.

 

[blackanhyellow]

The land ceded was based on maccartney - macdonald line proposed by the British.

Unlike India, Pakistan wants to resolve matters with its neighbors and is willing to compromise.

India wants to control the entire region.

 

[blackanhyellow]

Pakistan also supports Kashmiri self determination.

On top of the two state solution for Israelis and Palestinians.

We support compromises that lead to peace!

 

[Varun]

Oh god, Indians with their revisionist history again.

And India accuses Pakistan of altering history books

Bhais and bhens, the region that Pakistan ceded to China was China's rightful land as per the Maccartney-macdonald line (go read about it).

Also, lets not forget, China also ceded some land to Pakistan, although it was a lot less land, but that land was on the Pakistan side of the line so it was rightfully Pakistan.

Pakistan honored the line with China, just as it attempted to honor the durrand line at the Afghanistan border.

Also keep in mind, no people were on the land that Pakistan ceded.

Thanks for the reply. I don't think anybody has revised any history here though - yours is one of the few posts with some meat in it so far.

 

[blackanhyellow]

Thanks for the reply. I don't think anybody has revised any history here though - yours is one of the few posts with some meat in it so far.

You implied in your original post that Pakistan gave people away to China in your very last sentence.

Also implied it was only Pakistan that ceded land for no apparent reason, without mentioning China also ceded land to Pakistan.

You are right its not revisionist, it is entirely inaccurate.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Strange question.

Considering India claims all of Kashmir belongs is them. So why did India give up land to China and also allowed Pakistan to occupy a large chunk for decades now?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Oh god, Indians with their revisionist history again.

And India accuses Pakistan of altering history books

Bhais and bhens, the region that Pakistan ceded to China was China's rightful land as per the Maccartney-macdonald line (go read about it).

Also, lets not forget, China also ceded some land to Pakistan, although it was a lot less land, but that land was on the Pakistan side of the line so it was rightfully Pakistan.

Pakistan honored the line with China, just as it attempted to honor the durrand line at the Afghanistan border.

Also keep in mind, no people were on the land that Pakistan ceded.

How did Pakistan decide whether the land is chinese or Kashmiri?

Who made Pakistan the decision maker on behalf of the kashmiris?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Strange question.

Considering India claims all of Kashmir belongs is them. So why did India give up land to China and also allowed Pakistan to occupy a large chunk for decades now?

India didnot gave up any land to China? China claims Indian states of sikkim and arunachal. India claims Aksai chin.

Because there is a agreement in force that the LoC will be respected.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The land ceded was based on maccartney - macdonald line proposed by the British.

Unlike India, Pakistan wants to resolve matters with its neighbors and is willing to compromise.

India wants to control the entire region.

It was not your matter to resolve. It was not your land but belonged to the Kashmiris.

 

[blackanhyellow]

How did Pakistan decide whether the land is chinese or Kashmiri?

Who made Pakistan the decision maker on behalf of the kashmiris?

It was based on Macartney - Macdonald line. It was the last line of demarcation communicated to China by the British. Pakistan recognizes this line.

 

[blackanhyellow]

It was not your matter to resolve. It was not your land but belonged to the Kashmiris.

Really?

So it doesnt belong to India?

Please be clear so I can save this post for the future.

 

[slipcatch]

You are asking a question which most will avoid to answer. I raised this question earlier. Didn't get any reply then.

Try a book or google it and don’t read bootleg google made in India by RSS and BJP where you’ll see people like joshila saying who gave you the right? Lol

 

[KingKhanWC]

India didnot gave up any land to China? China claims Indian states of sikkim and arunachal. India claims Aksai chin.

Because there is a agreement in force that the LoC will be respected.

Isn't Aksai Chin in Chinese hands?

Agreements are in place with Pakistan and China because India cannot take the land which it claims to be it's land.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It was based on Macartney - Macdonald line. It was the last line of demarcation communicated to China by the British. Pakistan recognizes this line.

But do kashmiris recognise this line? How did pakistan decide on the claims of Kashmiris esp Ladakhis?


The chinese didnot accept the McCartney line when proposed by Britain. So the Johnson line remains the last agreed upon boundary.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Really?

So it doesnt belong to India?

Please be clear so I can save this post for the future.

Yes it belongs to the Kashmiris, esp the Ladakhis who today are part of India. So the so called champion of Kashmiri rights gave away the land of Kashmiris to chinese.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Isn't Aksai Chin in Chinese hands?

Agreements are in place with Pakistan and China because India cannot take the land which it claims to be it's land.

If India can take Sikkim and Arunachal why not Aksai chin?

India and China dont want a war as simple as that and prefer status quo.

 

[KingKhanWC]

If India can take Sikkim and Arunachal why not Aksai chin?

India and China dont want a war as simple as that and prefer status quo.

Nice to know you're happy with China taking your land.

You have failed to take Azad Kashmir.

Pakistan occupies Indian land, not just any land but a large chunk of Kashmir.

 

[blackanhyellow]

But do kashmiris recognise this line? How did pakistan decide on the claims of Kashmiris esp Ladakhis?


The chinese didnot accept the McCartney line when proposed by Britain. So the Johnson line remains the last agreed upon boundary.

Bhai jaan the johnson line was never proposed to the Chinese.

Johnson line (again proposed by the British) was proposed only to the maharaja of Kashmir.

Mac - Mac line was the last demarcation proposed to the Chinese by the British.

Even Britain used to change back and forth between the two lines on their own maps depending on what was happening in China at the time due to their internal turmoil.

Also, the person that proposed the johnson line was told he was incompetent by the British government because he came up with such a dumb way to demarcate the boundary that had no geographical basis.

Indian text books ki jai.

 

[blackanhyellow]

Yes it belongs to the Kashmiris, esp the Ladakhis who today are part of India. So the so called champion of Kashmiri rights gave away the land of Kashmiris to chinese.

The kashmiris want azaadi bhai jaan.

Pakistan wanted this all along.

If they feel the land that Pakistan ceded to China belongs to them, Independent Kashmir can negotiate with China as a free nation.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Expect a swift exit by few from this thread .... it has taken an unexpected turn )

Thanks [MENTION=131506]blackanhyellow[/MENTION] )

 

[Pakistanian]

The Chinese also helped build the Karakorum highway, that was another big gain from resolving this small territorial dispute.

 

[Slog]

They commit worse crimes and atrocities against Muslims than India, but you won’t hear a peep from the usual suspects on PP.

It always surprises me when people somehow try to equate response of Pakistanis to atrocities on Muslims in India to the lack of response to atrocities on Muslims in China. To me personally it comes across as pretty simple but I guess not.

Anyways the reason simply is this: Pakistani Muslims have a long standing, 1000 year relation with the Muslims of India. Heck, Pakistan was made for the Muslims of British India and many Pakistanis have links there as well esp in Karachi. So it is exactly what you expect ie Pakistanis to have resonance with and care for Indian Muslims. And it is true vice Versa aswell. On the other hand Pakistanis have no historical and cultural links to Chinese Muslims which is why there is no similar response. It is same with atrocities on Muslims in Chechnya, African countries like Sudan etc etc.

Now some smart Alec will say why Palestine then? That's a difference case and is simply because Jerusalem is the third most important city for Muslims.

 

[Adijazz1706]

It always surprises me when people somehow try to equate response of Pakistanis to atrocities on Muslims in India to the lack of response to atrocities on Muslims in China. To me personally it comes across as pretty simple but I guess not.

Anyways the reason simply is this: Pakistani Muslims have a long standing, 1000 year relation with the Muslims of India. Heck, Pakistan was made for the Muslims of British India and many Pakistanis have links there as well esp in Karachi. So it is exactly what you expect ie Pakistanis to have resonance with and care for Indian Muslims. And it is true vice Versa aswell. On the other hand Pakistanis have no historical and cultural links to Chinese Muslims which is why there is no similar response. It is same with atrocities on Muslims in Chechnya, African countries like Sudan etc etc.

Now some smart Alec will say why Palestine then? That's a difference case and is simply because Jerusalem is the third most important city for Muslims.

The fact is the Chinese government persecute religious people in general due to their atheistic stance (not that any of our resident atheists will talk about the fact that 60% atheists in the world are in China, free thinking ki jai ). Also, the Muslim Uiyghurs being persecuted are of Mongol origin and the Chinese have badle ki against them

 

[TM Riddle]

It always surprises me when people somehow try to equate response of Pakistanis to atrocities on Muslims in India to the lack of response to atrocities on Muslims in China. To me personally it comes across as pretty simple but I guess not.

Anyways the reason simply is this: Pakistani Muslims have a long standing, 1000 year relation with the Muslims of India. Heck, Pakistan was made for the Muslims of British India and many Pakistanis have links there as well esp in Karachi. So it is exactly what you expect ie Pakistanis to have resonance with and care for Indian Muslims. And it is true vice Versa aswell. On the other hand Pakistanis have no historical and cultural links to Chinese Muslims which is why there is no similar response. It is same with atrocities on Muslims in Chechnya, African countries like Sudan etc etc.

Now some smart Alec will say why Palestine then? That's a difference case and is simply because Jerusalem is the third most important city for Muslims.

Some smart Alec might say the same about Pakistani concerns for Rohingyas and Sri Lankan Muslims.
Tell me more about your supposed ancestral ties with Rohingyas Sloggy.

 

[Slog]

Some smart Alec might say the same about Pakistani concerns for Rohingyas and Sri Lankan Muslims.
Tell me more about your supposed ancestral ties with Rohingyas Sloggy.

Read about Quaid e Azam (Jinnah) and his relation with Rohingyas

 

[Hermoine Green]

A warm welcome to the 2,964th thread on Kashmir - we just can't get enough!

Though I don't reckon this subject is talked about enough: Pakistan ceding hundreds of square kilometres of land in Northern Kashmir to China in 1963. Why did they do this? Was it to facilitate transportation and trade? Did China want to get closer to Afghanistan?

Did the populace living there want to be part of China (and not India or Pakistan?)

Pakistan ceded to China was known as the Trans Karakoram Tract. And this tract fell on the Chinese side as per the Macartney-Macdonald line. Thus for Pakistan it was the right decision to take as that was the line last communicated to the Chinese by the British and Pakistan after independence from the British was responsible for the treaties carried over.

And this is why Pakistan took the decision to cede the territory. It was not to bring China in conflict with India. The decision to cede was taken in 1963

Lastly this was not only Pakistan ceding to China. The Chinese seceded land to Pakistan as well. The ratio was roughly 3 sq miles conceded by Pakistan for every 1 sq mile conceded by China.


And as far i know, there was no population on those lands which were ceded.

 

[Hermoine Green]

How did Pakistan decide whether the land is chinese or Kashmiri?

Who made Pakistan the decision maker on behalf of the kashmiris?

It was based on Macartney - Macdonald line. It was the last line of demarcation communicated to China by the British. Pakistan recognizes this line.

Fair enough, let me share my 1.5 cents on this

In 1865 the British civil servant Johnson proposed the Johnson line which proposed adding most of Kashmir and areas on the other side of Karakoram to Indian Kashmir. No one notified the Chinese since they did not control the area at that time.

But in the late 1890's, the British had only one interest in the region; to restrict Russian influence. The Chinese and the British were formally allies. It was at this time that the British sent what was to be the last official communication sent to the Chinese on the border issues.

That communication proposed a line; a demarcation on natural geographic borders. This was known as the Macartney-Macdonald line. The British thought that by giving the Chinese this tract it would present an additional complication politically and militarily to the Russians.

The Indians naturally upon independence jumped back to the Johnson line as the border. This was unnatural. The Indians had such little control and visibility past the natural geographical barriers that the Chinese built a 1200 km road in the fifties that India only found out about in 1958 ( I might be wrong about this road thing)

The Chinese point of view had consistently been that the last line advocated to them was the Macartney-Macdonald line. And that it also made sense as it was a geographical demarcation as well. China went to war with India on this. The Chinese kept the borders as per Macartney-Macdonald line.

 

[Hermoine Green]

Bhai jaan the johnson line was never proposed to the Chinese.

Johnson line (again proposed by the British) was proposed only to the maharaja of Kashmir.

Mac - Mac line was the last demarcation proposed to the Chinese by the British.

Even Britain used to change back and forth between the two lines on their own maps depending on what was happening in China at the time due to their internal turmoil.

Also, the person that proposed the johnson line was told he was incompetent by the British government because he came up with such a dumb way to demarcate the boundary that had no geographical basis.

Indian text books ki jai.

[MENTION=131506]blackanhyellow[/MENTION] Yeah agree with you.

At first, In 1865 the British civil servant Johnson proposed the Johnson line which proposed adding most of Kashmir and areas on the other side of Karakoram to Indian Kashmir. No one notified the Chinese since they did not control the area at that time but later on in 1890s due to their internel issues and also in order to stop Russian influence.

 

[Varun]

It always surprises me when people somehow try to equate response of Pakistanis to atrocities on Muslims in India to the lack of response to atrocities on Muslims in China. To me personally it comes across as pretty simple but I guess not.

Anyways the reason simply is this: Pakistani Muslims have a long standing, 1000 year relation with the Muslims of India. Heck, Pakistan was made for the Muslims of British India and many Pakistanis have links there as well esp in Karachi. So it is exactly what you expect ie Pakistanis to have resonance with and care for Indian Muslims. And it is true vice Versa aswell. On the other hand Pakistanis have no historical and cultural links to Chinese Muslims which is why there is no similar response. It is same with atrocities on Muslims in Chechnya, African countries like Sudan etc etc.

Now some smart Alec will say why Palestine then? That's a difference case and is simply because Jerusalem is the third most important city for Muslims.

How about Palestine?

--

Thanks for your succinct response, [MENTION=146141]Hermoine Green[/MENTION].

 

[cricketjoshila]

Nice to know you're happy with China taking your land.

You have failed to take Azad Kashmir.

Pakistan occupies Indian land, not just any land but a large chunk of Kashmir.

China is happy with us taking their's.

According to Pakistan India is also a occupying force.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The kashmiris want azaadi bhai jaan.

Pakistan wanted this all along.

If they feel the land that Pakistan ceded to China belongs to them, Independent Kashmir can negotiate with China as a free nation.

How will Kashmiris negotiate now that you have handed over the land already to a big country like China?

Just a part of Kashmir Valley isnt all of Kashmir.

FYI the part ceded to China was part of Ladakh and not Kashmir valley.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Bhai jaan the johnson line was never proposed to the Chinese.

Johnson line (again proposed by the British) was proposed only to the maharaja of Kashmir.

Mac - Mac line was the last demarcation proposed to the Chinese by the British.

Even Britain used to change back and forth between the two lines on their own maps depending on what was happening in China at the time due to their internal turmoil.

Also, the person that proposed the johnson line was told he was incompetent by the British government because he came up with such a dumb way to demarcate the boundary that had no geographical basis.

Indian text books ki jai.

The chinese didnot control Xinjiang then. The maharaja of Kashmir even built a fort at Xaidulla to stake his claim.

Even the chinese atlases of 1925 show Aksai chin and other parts as per Johnson line.

The british maps too showed the boundaries as per johnson line when India got independence.

Pakistan just took Kashmiri/Ladakhi land and gave it to China.

 

[TM Riddle]

Read about Quaid e Azam (Jinnah) and his relation with Rohingyas

Oh Yeah makes sense!

 

[Slog]

Oh Yeah makes sense!

Great that you get it!

 

[DeadBall]

Now some smart Alec will say why Palestine then? That's a difference case and is simply because Jerusalem is the third most important city for Muslims.

Also because it's in the media constantly for a very very long time. The other atrocities don't even get 5% of the coverage the Palestine-Israel issue does.

 

[Pakistanian]

I've never met a Uighur but I know plenty of Palestinians and even know of Pakistanis married to Palestinians so it makes sense that Palestine would get more coverage.

 

[KingKhanWC]

China is happy with us taking their's.

According to Pakistan India is also a occupying force.

So you're wrong it's India's land and Pakistan isn't occupying it? Yes it's more accurate it's disputed land and Indian is occupying it. Now India wants to bring in settlers into this disputed region.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So you're wrong it's India's land and Pakistan isn't occupying it? Yes it's more accurate it's disputed land and Indian is occupying it. Now India wants to bring in settlers into this disputed region.

Hindu state? We are not obsessed with the idea of creating religious theocracies. Is UK a muslim nation? Do they follow Sharia? Is the constitution islamic? Is the queen muslim? Do they believe in Islam? But the British Pound must have made all that invisible, isnt it?

Pakistan is occupying Indian land. We will take it when the oppurtunity comes, presently we are honouring a international agreement to not forcibly take that land.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Hindu state? We are not obsessed with the idea of creating religious theocracies. Is UK a muslim nation? Do they follow Sharia? Is the constitution islamic? Is the queen muslim? Do they believe in Islam? But the British Pound must have made all that invisible, isnt it?


Pakistan is occupying Indian land. We will take it when the oppurtunity comes, presently we are honouring a international agreement to not forcibly take that land.

Please explain how this opportunity may arise? What is India waiting for?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Please explain how this opportunity may arise? What is India waiting for?

Why it is of concern to you what India is waiting for?

 

[Abdullah719]

The thread is NOT about Bangladesh. Or beef.

 

[slipcatch]

Hindu state? We are not obsessed with the idea of creating religious theocracies. Is UK a muslim nation? Do they follow Sharia? Is the constitution islamic? Is the queen muslim? Do they believe in Islam? But the British Pound must have made all that invisible, isnt it?

Pakistan is occupying Indian land. We will take it when the oppurtunity comes, presently we are honouring a international agreement to not forcibly take that land.

India can’t and won’t dare to make that move but I’m sure it sound good when a RSS spokesperson says it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India can’t and won’t dare to make that move but I’m sure it sound good when a RSS spokesperson says it.

We moved and took BD. We took Siachen. What did you do? As i said, take these threats elsewhere.

 

[slipcatch]

We moved and took BD. We took Siachen. What did you do? As i said, take these threats elsewhere.

Not a keyboard warrior unlike yourself, I don’t need to threat a random Indian who is insecure about his patriotism and radical nationalists view.

It wasn’t a threat it was a statement that India can’t and won’t dare to try to occupy Azad Kashmir.
Over 700k + soldiers in Indian occupied Kashmir and yet Indian army has to resort to killing of innocents and rape of female to keep the population of Kashmir unsuccessfuly scared.

Kashmir isn’t East Pakistan, do not get confuse.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Why it is of concern to you what India is waiting for?

Because imo India doesn't have the capability to remove Pakistani troops from Kashmir or occupy and oppress the people of Azad Kashmir .

So please explain? This is related to the thread topic.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Because imo India doesn't have the capability to remove Pakistani troops from Kashmir or occupy and oppress the people of Azad Kashmir .

So please explain? This is related to the thread topic.

We took siachen when we wanted. Could Pakistani troops stop us? We took two villages in Baltistan in 71.Pakistan couldnot stop us. We did more in 71, but thats outside this thread.

We are abiding by a agreement we made. But thats not stopping us from building dams and taking river water.

Right now we are more interested in making economic and technological progress. We are not intrested into getting into a war and make our economy a dump,security situation basket and overall image into that of a nation that needs to be put on blacklists or extreme vetting lists.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Not a keyboard warrior unlike yourself, I don’t need to threat a random Indian who is insecure about his patriotism and radical nationalists view.

It wasn’t a threat it was a statement that India can’t and won’t dare to try to occupy Azad Kashmir.
Over 700k + soldiers in Indian occupied Kashmir and yet Indian army has to resort to killing of innocents and rape of female to keep the population of Kashmir unsuccessfuly scared.

Kashmir isn’t East Pakistan, do not get confuse.

How can J and K be east Pakistan. J and K is indian territory.And will remain so.

 

[KingKhanWC]

We took siachen when we wanted. Could Pakistani troops stop us? We took two villages in Baltistan in 71.Pakistan couldnot stop us. We did more in 71, but thats outside this thread.

We are abiding by a agreement we made. But thats not stopping us from building dams and taking river water.

Right now we are more interested in making economic and technological progress. We are not intrested into getting into a war and make our economy a dump,security situation basket and overall image into that of a nation that needs to be put on blacklists or extreme vetting lists.

You can keep the excuses.

Im merely asking in strategic and tactical combat terms, how India could possibly take Azad Kashmir? If you dont have an answer to this , say so.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You can keep the excuses.

Im merely asking in strategic and tactical combat terms, how India could possibly take Azad Kashmir? If you dont have an answer to this , say so.

This is like asking how will China take Taiwan or South China Sea.How will Pakistan take J and K?

Did we announce how we will take Siachen?

 

[KingKhanWC]

This is like asking how will China take Taiwan or South China Sea.How will Pakistan take J and K?

Did we announce how we will take Siachen?

You announced on here India will take Azad Kashmir. I guess you have no answer to how this could possibly happen in military terms, otherwise known as a pipe dream.

 

[blackanhyellow]

The chinese didnot control Xinjiang then. The maharaja of Kashmir even built a fort at Xaidulla to stake his claim.

Even the chinese atlases of 1925 show Aksai chin and other parts as per Johnson line.

The british maps too showed the boundaries as per johnson line when India got independence.

Pakistan just took Kashmiri/Ladakhi land and gave it to China.

The British maps changed depending on situations. Sometimes they took johnson line, sometimes they took Mac-Mac line. The last communicated line with China (actually the only communicated line with China) was the Mac-Mac line.

You can't make up a line and not propose it to the relevant parties lol. Johnson line was never communicated to China. They rightly went by the assumption that the last communicated line was the border.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You announced on here India will take Azad Kashmir. I guess you have no answer to how this could possibly happen in military terms, otherwise known as a pipe dream.

Military strategies are decided by the Army HQ and not by me. Seems in Pakistan they are decided by internet warriors like you.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The British maps changed depending on situations. Sometimes they took johnson line, sometimes they took Mac-Mac line. The last communicated line with China (actually the only communicated line with China) was the Mac-Mac line.

You can't make up a line and not propose it to the relevant parties lol. Johnson line was never communicated to China. They rightly went by the assumption that the last communicated line was the border.

The chinese never accepted the McCartney line. The 1925 maps showing territory as per Johnson line shows China accepted the Johnson line.

But all these boundary negotiations are for the people of Ladakh and Kashmir. How did Pakistan give away the land?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Military strategies are decided by the Army HQ and not by me. Seems in Pakistan they are decided by internet warriors like you.

You claim India will take back it's land but can't show how and im the k warrior? lol

We both know it's not going to happen...ever.