Why didn't IAF deploy LCA Tejas to intercept PAF, instead of MIG-21s and Su-30s?

[Lonewarrior]

we have sent JF-17s package to attack Indian LOC. Logically IAF should have send thre LCA Tejas to intercept JF-17s. but they send thre MIGs and Su-30s.

IAF have 16 LCA tejas in service.

The Question is why they didnt deployed LCA Tejas ?

 

[Akki malhotra]

we have sent JF-17s package to attack Indian LOC. Logically IAF should have send thre LCA Tejas to intercept JF-17s. but they send thre MIGs and Su-30s.

IAF have 16 LCA tejas in service.

The Question is why they didnt deployed LCA Tejas ?

Oh tel ni hoga unme. We didn't expect Pakistan to respond also might be the reason.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Oh tel ni hoga unme. We didn't expect Pakistan to respond also might be the reason.

dont know about oil issue, but our DGISPR told india in advance thn wait for our surprise. so dont know why india didnt expecting it.

also , i heard that LCA teja is far superior thn JF-17, its 4th Gen Jet, it has US/Israeli/ tech and what not..
IAF should have send some LCA tejas.

 

[Akki malhotra]

dont know about oil issue, but our DGISPR told india in advance thn wait for our surprise. so dont know why india didnt expecting it.

also , i heard that LCA teja is far superior thn JF-17, its 4th Gen Jet, it has US/Israeli/ tech and what not..
IAF should have send some LCA tejas.

There are very few in India who takes Pakistan army capability seriously. I mean talking about common man.

We know that all Pakistan has is that its their army. And it is indeed strong.
India didn't expect this sort of response from Pakistan. Although Pakistan didn't bomb anything in India. But it really acted as a surprise for india to get a response from Pakistan.

 

[cricketjoshila]

There are very few in India who takes Pakistan army capability seriously. I mean talking about common man.

We know that all Pakistan has is that its their army. And it is indeed strong.
India didn't expect this sort of response from Pakistan. Although Pakistan didn't bomb anything in India. But it really acted as a surprise for india to get a response from Pakistan.

Only one squadron of LCA is operational now and its not based in the sector where the skrimish took place.

 

[GBK_Fan]

As Joshila mentioned, there is only 1 squadron operational and it was not at the border. Also the guy handling the western front in the iaf was let go, after this entire fiasco. He clearly didn’t plan well for the response from the PAF.

 

[cricketjoshila]

As Joshila mentioned, there is only 1 squadron operational and it was not at the border. Also the guy handling the western front in the iaf was let go, after this entire fiasco. He clearly didn’t plan well for the response from the PAF.

He retired, as planned.

 

[JoshNotHigh]

PAF vs IAF - very interesting article

Lot of posters here will enjoy this. Few points

1. PAF did Chalaki by figuring out Indian AWACs change timings and shifts to figure out when to attack.
2. The sukhois of India have been exposed due to lack of answer to beyond visual range missile they didn't have.
3. PAF able to jam IAF communication near LOC

IAF needs to address these problems..

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thepri...t-down-is-the-real-rafale-scandal/212399/amp/

 

[Pete Rose]

As Joshila mentioned, there is only 1 squadron operational and it was not at the border. Also the guy handling the western front in the iaf was let go, after this entire fiasco. He clearly didn’t plan well for the response from the PAF.

My understanding is that it was a planned retirement, but its a good point to misrepresent when engaging in propaganda.

 

[Pete Rose]

Only one squadron of LCA is operational now and its not based in the sector where the skrimish took place.

They are not based their for a reason; they are not the front line, at least not yet.

 

[GBK_Fan]

He retired, as planned.

Sorry but people don’t retire as planned if they are effective in their jobs in the middle of a crisis.

 

[Romali_rotti]

To the OP: Because Tejas is being built by HAL aka Hindustan Aeronautics Limited. They SUCK, they have been trying to build this jet for nearly 40 years. THANK GOD the Rafale assembling project did not go to HAL and went to Ambani instead which will now been overseen by Mukesh Ambani's corporation.....

 

[cricketjoshila]

They are not based their for a reason; they are not the front line, at least not yet.

The first rafale squadron to be inducted in September would not be based in the Srinagar/Kashmir sector either.

By your logic they are not frontline either. Right?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Sorry but people don’t retire as planned if they are effective in their jobs in the middle of a crisis.

They have to. There is no scope of extension. Thats one of the ways the govt keeps control over the armed forces. Every known armed forces expert in India said this when he retired.

 

[Pete Rose]

The first rafale squadron to be inducted in September would not be based in the Srinagar/Kashmir sector either.

By your logic they are not frontline either. Right?

Sure, by my logic your guys will need to learn how to fly them. Crash a couple along the way, shoot down a couple of helicopters, launch them in to space, and then you should be ready for front line deployment

 

[cricketjoshila]

Sure, by my logic your guys will need to learn how to fly them. Crash a couple along the way, shoot down a couple of helicopters, launch them in to space, and then you should be ready for front line deployment

Your rhetorical posts, wont change the facts.

Give your advise to PAF. They couldnot stop mirage 2000s from reaching Balakote. Then lost a F16.

 

[Syed1]

Your rhetorical posts, wont change the facts.

Give your advise to PAF. They couldnot stop mirage 2000s from reaching Balakote. Then lost a F16.

Hahahha lost an F-16.... Anything else? Just because you say it so doesn't make it true. Every single international media organization has refuted all your claims.


Your delusion know no bounds.


The IAF was so scared on the 27th that in its panic it even shot down its own heli.

 

[Syed1]

If only they had sent their rickshaw Tejas it would have been shot down like the MIG and SU30.


#wait for our surprise

 

[Sachin136]

Hahahha lost an F-16.... Anything else? Just because you say it so doesn't make it true. Every single international media organization has refuted all your claims.


Your delusion know no bounds.


The IAF was so scared on the 27th that in its panic it even shot down its own heli.



Your auqaat is only rona dhona.

You will believe what the Pakistani military says, whether they say they downed 10 MiGs or 10 Su-30s. We will believe the Indian military. What's the point in arguing the same thing in each thread?

 

[Syed1]

You will believe what the Pakistani military says, whether they say they downed 10 MiGs or 10 Su-30s. We will believe the Indian military. What's the point in arguing the same thing in each thread?

Ok let's go to facts then.. shall we? Joshila brought the fantasy shooting down of F-16.

The only fact that is established is that India hit some trees, Pak went into India and then Abhinandan's plane was shot down.

 

[Slim]

They only have just really managed to put Tejas from a truck into air after 40 years, you expect too much of them.

Hell, they used to boast about raptor of East - the Su-30 which has RCS of a cow and now all you hear about is Rafael hota tou Pakistan ko sabaq sikha detay.

What a damn shame.

 

[Pete Rose]

You will believe what the Pakistani military says, whether they say they downed 10 MiGs or 10 Su-30s. We will believe the Indian military. What's the point in arguing the same thing in each thread?

Nope. It’s been debunked by most independent sources.

 

[Pete Rose]

Your rhetorical posts, wont change the facts.

Give your advise to PAF. They couldnot stop mirage 2000s from reaching Balakote. Then lost a F16.

My suggestion would be that you stick to the usual world bank and gdp growth and icc domination subjects. At least you have some leg to stand on there.

 

[MosheD]

To the OP: Because Tejas is being built by HAL aka Hindustan Aeronautics Limited. They SUCK, they have been trying to build this jet for nearly 40 years. THANK GOD the Rafale assembling project did not go to HAL and went to Ambani instead which will now been overseen by Mukesh Ambani's corporation.....

Tejas looked good in the LIMA airshow in Malaysia a few days ago. It isn't meant to be a front-line spearhead which would be the Sukhois/Rafales. It is more of a workhorse that provides defensive air cover.
If i read correctly - they are going to replace all the Migs in IAF and are in the process of being inducted in large numbers over the next few years

 

[Romali_rotti]

Nope. It’s been debunked by most independent sources.

What's debunked ? Pakistan has shown ZERO proof in regards to Sukhoi, wouldve, shouldve,couldve wont cut it.


P.S. Also if you come with a PAF statement or a Pakistani media outlet as Proof, then the ans is NO that is not proof. If we are to believe the Pakistani side then also have to believe the Indians when they claim they shot down the F-16

 

[Romali_rotti]

Tejas looked good in the LIMA airshow in Malaysia a few days ago. It isn't meant to be a front-line spearhead which would be the Sukhois/Rafales. It is more of a workhorse that provides defensive air cover.
If i read correctly - they are going to replace all the Migs in IAF and are in the process of being inducted in large numbers over the next few years

Nah, I have been hearing this for years, how the Tejas will become combat ready next year, year after year after year the Tejas is not ready. The fact IAF had to use a MIG 21 Bison which is waiting to crash once it reaches the sky, over Tejas in the recent India Pak encounter shows how much of a terrible plane Tejas really is. HAL (Hindustan Aeronautic Limited) should be shut down and all it's employees thrown in jail for treason and also for taking all this money to achieve NOTHING.. Screw TEJAS and a BIGGER SCREW you to HAL... Pakistan is not the enemy of India, it is organisations like HAL, first thing Indian leadership should do to protect the countries interest, is to use the Sukhoi's to bomb the HAL building to dust, then we are on the right track...

 

[cricketjoshila]

Hahahha lost an F-16.... Anything else? Just because you say it so doesn't make it true. Every single international media organization has refuted all your claims.


Your delusion know no bounds.


The IAF was so scared on the 27th that in its panic it even shot down its own heli.



Your auqaat is only rona dhona.

IAF was scared thats why Pakistan was under NOTAM for almost a month.

 

[cricketjoshila]

My suggestion would be that you stick to the usual world bank and gdp growth and icc domination subjects. At least you have some leg to stand on there.

As i said, give suggestions to PAF, ask them why Pakistan was under NOTAM for such a long period. Why PSL matches had to be shifted out of lahore.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Nah, I have been hearing this for years, how the Tejas will become combat ready next year, year after year after year the Tejas is not ready. The fact IAF had to use a MIG 21 Bison which is waiting to crash once it reaches the sky, over Tejas in the recent India Pak encounter shows how much of a terrible plane Tejas really is. HAL (Hindustan Aeronautic Limited) should be shut down and all it's employees thrown in jail for treason and also for taking all this money to achieve NOTHING.. Screw TEJAS and a BIGGER SCREW you to HAL... Pakistan is not the enemy of India, it is organisations like HAL, first thing Indian leadership should do to protect the countries interest, is to use the Sukhoi's to bomb the HAL building to dust, then we are on the right track...

Tejas's 1st squadron is already operational and deployed. Its just not in the kashmir sector. Even Rafales wont be deployed in kashmir sector.

Tejas second squadron induction will start this year and 16 will be inducted and will end next year.

Tejas with Aesa radar and a more powerful engine will start from 2021-22. And 83 will be inducted.

So after all the hiccups Tejas is now looking really good.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Tejas with Aesa radar and a more powerful engine will start from 2021-22. And 83 will be inducted.

.

When you mean more powerful engine, you are implying the GE engine and not the Kaveri ?

 

[Varun]

The Tejas is only 1 squadron at present (Flying Daggers), and based down south in Sulur, Coimbatore, TN.

 

[MosheD]

Nah, I have been hearing this for years, how the Tejas will become combat ready next year, year after year after year the Tejas is not ready. The fact IAF had to use a MIG 21 Bison which is waiting to crash once it reaches the sky, over Tejas in the recent India Pak encounter shows how much of a terrible plane Tejas really is. HAL (Hindustan Aeronautic Limited) should be shut down and all it's employees thrown in jail for treason and also for taking all this money to achieve NOTHING.. Screw TEJAS and a BIGGER SCREW you to HAL... Pakistan is not the enemy of India, it is organisations like HAL, first thing Indian leadership should do to protect the countries interest, is to use the Sukhoi's to bomb the HAL building to dust, then we are on the right track...

The issue lies with the defense procurement process which has gotten more and more convoluted as each government wants to protect itself from any 'scandal' that may arise from such deals. The requirements for the combat aircraft has changed multiple times since it has taken them so long to decide on a course of action and the HAL fighter jet has had to go back to the drawing board time and time again. Also factor in sanctions that hit India hard since it doesn't have a manufacturing base to support such a project - unlike China.

Also the indecision on what engine to use: it has faced hiccups in developing the indigenous engine - some say scuppered by corrupt officials who used to get kickbacks from foreign deals.

You are way too harsh on HAL lol. India as a whole has grown quite slowly ( ISRO being the exception due to a few individuals)

 

[cricketjoshila]

When you mean more powerful engine, you are implying the GE engine and not the Kaveri ?

Ge F414IN engines.

 

[MenInG]

Lot of posters here will enjoy this. Few points

1. PAF did Chalaki by figuring out Indian AWACs change timings and shifts to figure out when to attack.
2. The sukhois of India have been exposed due to lack of answer to beyond visual range missile they didn't have.
3. PAF able to jam IAF communication near LOC

IAF needs to address these problems..

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thepri...t-down-is-the-real-rafale-scandal/212399/amp/

Interesting this but the PAF version of the raid is different

 

[Syed1]

IAF was scared thats why Pakistan was under NOTAM for almost a month.


Your aukaat is begging countries for bailouts.

Doesn't change the fact we shot down your jet(s) and paraded pilot like a mule.

 

[GBK_Fan]

Interesting this but the PAF version of the raid is different

Could you share a write up?

 

[Rana]

They need to get rid of the Migs to make the Rafael deal look necessary.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Doesn't change the fact we shot down your jet(s) and paraded pilot like a mule.

Doesnt change the fact that IAF entered Pakistan till Balakote. Took down a F16. And our pilot despite being inside pakistan territory walked back home like a lion within 72 hrs, thumbing the noses of pakistani army as they looked on like sheeps.

 

[Rana]

Doesnt change the fact that IAF entered Pakistan till Balakote. Took down a F16. And our pilot despite being inside pakistan territory walked back home like a lion within 72 hrs, thumbing the noses of pakistani army as they looked on like sheeps.

Im sorry, Ive missed the 'fact' or facts in this entire statement.

 

[Adijazz1706]

Doesnt change the fact that IAF entered Pakistan till Balakote. Took down a F16. And our pilot despite being inside pakistan territory walked back home like a lion within 72 hrs, thumbing the noses of pakistani army as they looked on like sheeps.

There are no facts in thia post, also the plural of sheep is sheep

 

[Pete Rose]

What's debunked ? Pakistan has shown ZERO proof in regards to Sukhoi, wouldve, shouldve,couldve wont cut it.


P.S. Also if you come with a PAF statement or a Pakistani media outlet as Proof, then the ans is NO that is not proof. If we are to believe the Pakistani side then also have to believe the Indians when they claim they shot down the F-16

Dude I am not gonna do your job for you. I understand jingoism fogs rationality, but I will simply leave it at the fact that each every utterance from India’s armed forces has been debunked
1 - Balakot intrusion to kill 300 and destroy building: not true
2 - helicopter brought down accidentally - no true, brought down by friendly fire
3 - f16 showdown - this is is of course laughable, since there’s zero proof of it.
Proof is not hard to find, both countries have awacs or awac equivalent flying above theater of skirmish: all India has to do prove this third grade Indian movie plot is release the flight patterns.
4 - apparently Pakistanis lynched their own pilot whose name is so mangled that we can’t even figure out whether its some Tamil proverb or an actual name.
So take you lumps because in this battle paf kicked the iaf’s A** and took the gas.
Your choice of course is to listen to the bakht brigade journalists who don’t have a gag reflex that prevents them from swallowing the sewer of disinformation fed by government sources or basically you could lead at most non partisan folks who understand how all this stuff works. Even the Shekhar Gupta types have backed off the initial fantasies fed to them.

Of course there are smarter people in India who understand this debacle and will learn from it and when India’s has the new jets that France has bribed the current government for a contract, India will have documented superiority again.

 

[Pete Rose]

Lot of posters here will enjoy this. Few points

1. PAF did Chalaki by figuring out Indian AWACs change timings and shifts to figure out when to attack.
2. The sukhois of India have been exposed due to lack of answer to beyond visual range missile they didn't have.
3. PAF able to jam IAF communication near LOC

IAF needs to address these problems..

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thepri...t-down-is-the-real-rafale-scandal/212399/amp/

The author has gone from one extreme to the other. If PAF has this many birds in the air on that day, both countries would be a nuclear wasteland by now. He is making the case of rapid modernization by crapping on IAF beyond the basic known stuff

 

[Muhammad10]

Doesnt change the fact that IAF entered Pakistan till Balakote. Took down a F16. And our pilot despite being inside pakistan territory walked back home like a lion within 72 hrs, thumbing the noses of pakistani army as they looked on like sheeps.

Don't forget the "fact" that we are still counting bodies. )

 

[cricketjoshila]

Don't forget the "fact" that we are still counting bodies. )

Yes.Thats why no press was allowed at that spot for a month.

 

[Slim]

Yes.Thats why no press was allowed at that spot for a month.

Delusion is certainly an incurable disease.

 

[Muhammad10]

Yes.Thats why no press was allowed at that spot for a month.

Great. Since Chowkidar knows that we are still counting bodies, he must have some sort of number in his head? If we are counting bodies for over a month, at a rate of 100 bodies counted per day, your boys have killed over 3000. #ModiMaths

 

[cricketjoshila]

Great. Since Chowkidar knows that we are still counting bodies, he must have some sort of number in his head? If we are counting bodies for over a month, at a rate of 100 bodies counted per day, your boys have killed over 3000. #ModiMaths

The chowkidaar has really spooked the enemies of India, more reasons to vote him.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Doesnt change the fact that IAF entered Pakistan till Balakote. Took down a F16. And our pilot despite being inside pakistan territory walked back home like a lion within 72 hrs, thumbing the noses of pakistani army as they looked on like sheeps.

Proof ? still waiting after one month.

Yes.Thats why no press was allowed at that spot for a month.

reuters reporters have visited the place.
and heres more news,

https://www.thequint.com/news/india/iaf-air-strikes-in-balakot-a-miss-targeting-error-australian-report

The chowkidaar has really spooked the enemies of India, more reasons to vote him.

be our guest, next time we will serve the SAMOSA with tea.

 

[Bilal_103]

Whatever happened to abinandhan?

 

[slipcatch]

Your rhetorical posts, wont change the facts.

Give your advise to PAF. They couldnot stop mirage 2000s from reaching Balakote. Then lost a F16.

You will believe what the Pakistani military says, whether they say they downed 10 MiGs or 10 Su-30s. We will believe the Indian military. What's the point in arguing the same thing in each thread?

IAF was scared thats why Pakistan was under NOTAM for almost a month.

As i said, give suggestions to PAF, ask them why Pakistan was under NOTAM for such a long period. Why PSL matches had to be shifted out of lahore.

Doesnt change the fact that IAF entered Pakistan till Balakote. Took down a F16. And our pilot despite being inside pakistan territory walked back home like a lion within 72 hrs, thumbing the noses of pakistani army as they looked on like sheeps.

Yes.Thats why no press was allowed at that spot for a month.

The chowkidaar has really spooked the enemies of India, more reasons to vote him.

Read this and laugh then feel sorry.

And we, Pakistani, by Indian on this forum and Indian media are told daily that we are too naive but read these comments, there are millions and millions of bhakths and hindutva who either genuinely believe in this or trying their hard to make gullible fellow Indian to believe in it to further their hindutva agenda.


What is wrong with you India? when did y'all become some of the most naive and gullible nation?

 

[Muhammad10]

The chowkidaar has really spooked the enemies of India, more reasons to vote him.

Haha, when did I express any interest in your voting intentions? Still, nice deflection.