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The Pakistani minority has declined from 15-20% in 47 to 2-3% due to following reasons:

1)The numbers which say it was 15% in 1947 are before the massive influx of Muslims migrating in and Hindus migrating out. So with a whole lot of post partition migration the demographics naturally got skewed in favor of Muslims.

2)Most of the Hindu minority percentage was also made up by hindus of East Pakistan where there was a much larger percentage of greater than 20%. When they separated again there was a dent because %age of Hindus as part of East wing's population was higher than the West.

I know a lot of people propagate how it has reduced from 15% to 3% minority number but saying it enough times doesn't mean it happened the way you want it to be (as far as some people are concerned.) To achieve that you would need widescale genocide over decades which simply is not the case.

For some reason, despite it making no sense, internet Indian warriors keep using this fallacious number. If you just look at numbers from current day Pakistan they remain more or less the same.
 
Isnt Hinduism the fastest growing religion in Pakistan?
 
In West Pakistan it isn't a big issue but in East Pakistan the Hindu numbers fell drastically from 1947 to 1971. Pakistan can not escape the responsibility for that because then both wings were the same country. Maybe the discrimination, persecution and genocide killed disproportionate number of Hindus and scared them to migrate to India. Pakistan has to answer for the fall in numbers between 1947 to 1971, beyond that the % of Hindus has been stable.
 
In West Pakistan it isn't a big issue but in East Pakistan the Hindu numbers fell drastically from 1947 to 1971. Pakistan can not escape the responsibility for that because then both wings were the same country. Maybe the discrimination, persecution and genocide killed disproportionate number of Hindus and scared them to migrate to India. Pakistan has to answer for the fall in numbers between 1947 to 1971, beyond that the % of Hindus has been stable.

I am not sure about why numbers in East Pakistan went down, but that's for another day or topic. I have seen many Indians all over the web spread this lie, even after being told it is a lie and the reasons why it is a lie. They are hoping there is no one to question them or dig deeper into this lie.
 
Pakistan increased its size of minorities in the ‘70s. That’s how much we love them.

Increase in population of minorities has nothing to do with their wellbeing. In India, Muslims have increased from 9 to 15% since 1947, does that mean they are doing well? High fertility rates can also be because of illiteracy, poverty, low social status.

Political representation, poverty, literacy, economic opportunities, government (especially police and judiciary) jobs, access to health, discrimination, freedom to practice faith/culture, image in society, so many things to consider.
 
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Pakistan needs to get of its ridiculous blasphemy laws.

Minorities are the ones who need laws to protect them but in Pakistan instead it’s the majority who has a law that is exploited often to prosecute them.

This law has done untold international damage to Pakistanis image, this what happens you don’t think or care of the long term consequences just for some short term political gain.
 
Increase in population of minorities has nothing to do with their wellbeing. In India, Muslims have increased from 9 to 15% since 1947, does that mean they are doing well? High fertility rates can also be because of illiteracy, poverty, low social status.

Political representation, poverty, literacy, economic opportunities, government (especially police and judiciary) jobs, access to health, discrimination, freedom to practice faith/culture, image in society, so many things to consider.

Lol @ high fertility rate. Increase of minorities in Pakistan had nothing to do with fertility rates.
 
I believe Pakistan's Hindu population currently is sitting at 1.88 % ? Now just one question: Do they have trouble breeding or something ?
 
It is not a myth but a fact that during independence Pak had 14% non Muslims. Question is did they convert to Islam willingly or were they forced?
 
It is not a myth but a fact that during independence Pak had 14% non Muslims. Question is did they convert to Islam willingly or were they forced?

During Independence?

Forgot the partition and population exchange?

7 million Hindus and Sikhs left Pakistan during 1947 and over 7 million muslims came into Pakistan.
 
During Independence?

Forgot the partition and population exchange?

7 million Hindus and Sikhs left Pakistan during 1947 and over 7 million muslims came into Pakistan.

Then the question would be when did they leave? For how long was the exchange window open for?
 
It is not a myth but a fact that during independence Pak had 14% non Muslims. Question is did they convert to Islam willingly or were they forced?

Did you even read the OP :facepalm:
 
Did you even read the OP :facepalm:

The two topics are linked. I am talking of the same subject as to why Pak minorities have shrunk. Do you have anything worthwhile to say other then hide your face?
 
The two topics are linked. I am talking of the same subject as to why Pak minorities have shrunk. Do you have anything worthwhile to say other then hide your face?

Clearly comprehension isn’t a strong suit for you

Pakistan’s minority population has shrunk so significantly from 1947 because:

a) Bangladesh became independent and they had larger share of minorities. So when they went a large chunk of minorities went and hence the percentage plummeted

B) The 1947 figures you see are pre-independence and do not take into account migrations in and out

So percentage wise it’s not plummeted as much as you may say
 
Clearly comprehension isn’t a strong suit for you

Pakistan’s minority population has shrunk so significantly from 1947 because:

a) Bangladesh became independent and they had larger share of minorities. So when they went a large chunk of minorities went and hence the percentage plummeted

B) The 1947 figures you see are pre-independence and do not take into account migrations in and out

So percentage wise it’s not plummeted as much as you may say

I mentioned it in an earlier post. Don't you think Pakistan is responsible for the fall in Hindu population in East Pakistan from 1947 to 1971?
 
I mentioned it in an earlier post. Don't you think Pakistan is responsible for the fall in Hindu population in East Pakistan from 1947 to 1971?

What’s the decline? Do you have any data points

Currently Hindu population in Bangladesh is at 10%.

A cursory research shows that it fell from around 21-22% at independence to around 15% by time of Bangladesh.

I’m not sure about that. There’s enough evidence to suggest that Hindus May have been targeted in the Bangladesh war but the data says it was falling before that too. I don’t know the reason but I’m guessing migration of Hindu Bengalis to India.

Anyways my point wasn’t that the population hadn’t decreased or that everything is hunky dory for Pakistan’s minorities.

My point is to bust the fallacy that current day Pakistan had such a massive decrease. It simply doesn’t make sense. It would take genocide to decrease the population that much in such a short time period
 
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Another point to note is that migration was happening even during 50s so it's not like everyone moved in 1947.
 
They have gone down but 20% to 3% is a huge exaggeration. Most hindus used to live in east pakistan, there used to be few non muslims in the west region. When pak was cut in half, the East pakistani non muslims (previously just pakistanis) were now Bangladeshis and west pak was just PAKISTAN. Hence the high number of muslims were now in Bangladesh where they were previously as well. But due to the geographical change, technically the no. Of pakistanis went from 20 to 3 percent but it was never 20% or even remotely close to that in west pakistan in the first place. It was around 2-3% in west pakistan. The indians which argue using this are just ignorant. They just look at numbers not the context.
 
Just to add more data for the ignorant people the 1951 census had 12.9% Hindus. East Pakistan has 22% Hindus and West Pakistan had 1.6% Hindu.

Hope you enjoyed embarassing yourself [MENTION=142169]PakLFC[/MENTION]
 
In the 1951 census, West Pakistan had 1.6% Hindu population, while East Pakistan (modern Bangladesh) had 22.05%. According to the 1998 Pakistan Census, Hindus constitute about 1.6 percent of the total population of Pakistan and about 6.6% in the Sindh province.
 
I am afraid you won’t hear back from PakLFC on this thread now! Haha
 
I believe Pakistan's Hindu population currently is sitting at 1.88 % ? Now just one question: Do they have trouble breeding or something ?

I don’t know, why don’t you tell us! The story ain’t any different in India itself where Muslims are outbreeding Hindus. Maybe that’s a question you should be asking each other and not us.
 
I used to think Indians were good at maths, but that's obviously not the case, it's like those who believe most muslims of northern subcontinent were forcefully converted to Islam but the numbers simply dont add up if you look at the British census data.
 
India is way ahead of Pakistan in media war, they know that they can not against fight Pakistan in conventional war so all they can do is to post false, self created & mythical stories to embarrass Pakistan.

But one thing is noticeable, whenever you challenge them with facts either they will run away or they will show their disinterest.
 
Then the question would be when did they leave? For how long was the exchange window open for?

Why did the Muslims leave India for Pakistan? Pretty obvious.

Indian Punjab was 35% muslim. Not even 1% now.
 
Why did the Muslims leave India for Pakistan? Pretty obvious.

Indian Punjab was 35% muslim. Not even 1% now.
Oh my my you don’t say!!!

Man Indians are so bad with minorities. They probably conducted a Muslim genocide in Punjab!
 
Well atleast this myth has been busted and buried forever in this forum
 
Just to add more data for the ignorant people the 1951 census had 12.9% Hindus. East Pakistan has 22% Hindus and West Pakistan had 1.6% Hindu.

Hope you enjoyed embarassing yourself [MENTION=142169]PakLFC[/MENTION]

So where did the 14% of Muslim's in West Pak disappear? You have no answer!
 
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West Pakistan did NOT have 14% minorities. In fact, it was closer to 2%. You should check the census that came out right after the independence.

I have checked. Different numbers are given by different sources. If Hindu's in Pak were so happy they wouldn't be leaving the country even today. Lets stop pretending here that all is good and well with minorities.
 
I have checked. Different numbers are given by different sources. If Hindu's in Pak were so happy they wouldn't be leaving the country even today. Lets stop pretending here that all is good and well with minorities.

No one is saying they’re very happy. Just pointing out to the ludicrous suggestion you’re putting forward
 
No one is saying they’re very happy. Just pointing out to the ludicrous suggestion you’re putting forward

If Hindu's are leaving Pak today then most likely they did during independence or were forcefully converted. You are too blind to see it.
 
Muslims have just outbred hindus everywhere. That’s the real reason. It’s not because hindus are getting killed or moving elsewhere. They may be moving back to India, which is their choice but they are not being killed. It’s a stupid myth. Most of all, they need to be having more babies both in Pakistan and India.

Or else that damn muzzies will take over the whole subcontinent again😅
 
Another point to note is that migration was happening even during 50s so it's not like everyone moved in 1947.

An important point often overlooked perhaps because of the Punjab focus of much of the writings on partition.

In the Punjab violence was intense and brutal. As a result migration was over a relatively short period and assisted by the state. By the end of 1947 an exchange of population was nearly complete with both sides of the Punjab virtually emptied of minority communities.

The situation in East and West Bengal was markedly different. Violence was of a lower order but was chronic. As a result migration, across a porous border, was a protracted affair extending over a number of years. Unlike the Punjab, both India and Pakistan sought to constrain migration in this part of the subcontinent. There was of course migration following partition in 1947, but this inflow was easily dwarfed by the numbers that flowed following the 1949-50 communal riots which particularly affected the areas of Khulna, Barisal and the district of Nadia. Another large flow in both directions occurred in 1964 following riots over the Hazratbal incident. In between these events there was always a trail of refugees each year.

In Karachi too there was a steady stream of refugees during the 1950s. According to the work of the historian Sarah Ansari, the city’s population swelled a further 230,000 in 1950 following disturbances and tensions in north India and UP in particular. As late as 1954, 5-6 thousand a month were still trying to make their way across the border in Khokhrapar to Karachi. As in Bengal, the Pakistan state sought to limit migration fearing that the state would be overwhelmed by the challenge of accommodating so many.

The prolonged period of migration made government efforts at rehabilitation of refugees in these areas a much more sketchy and ultimately failed process and this would have important political implications arguably contributing to the making of a Muhajir identity in Karachi and eventually encouraging support for the left in West Bengal.
 
The Pakistani minority has declined from 15-20% in 47 to 2-3% due to following reasons:

1)The numbers which say it was 15% in 1947 are before the massive influx of Muslims migrating in and Hindus migrating out. So with a whole lot of post partition migration the demographics naturally got skewed in favor of Muslims.

2)Most of the Hindu minority percentage was also made up by hindus of East Pakistan where there was a much larger percentage of greater than 20%. When they separated again there was a dent because %age of Hindus as part of East wing's population was higher than the West.

I know a lot of people propagate how it has reduced from 15% to 3% minority number but saying it enough times doesn't mean it happened the way you want it to be (as far as some people are concerned.) To achieve that you would need widescale genocide over decades which simply is not the case.

For some reason, despite it making no sense, internet Indian warriors keep using this fallacious number. If you just look at numbers from current day Pakistan they remain more or less the same.

See you misunderstood. Pakistani clerics want the minorities to be down to that number.
 
An important point often overlooked perhaps because of the Punjab focus of much of the writings on partition.

In the Punjab violence was intense and brutal. As a result migration was over a relatively short period and assisted by the state. By the end of 1947 an exchange of population was nearly complete with both sides of the Punjab virtually emptied of minority communities.

The situation in East and West Bengal was markedly different. Violence was of a lower order but was chronic. As a result migration, across a porous border, was a protracted affair extending over a number of years. Unlike the Punjab, both India and Pakistan sought to constrain migration in this part of the subcontinent. There was of course migration following partition in 1947, but this inflow was easily dwarfed by the numbers that flowed following the 1949-50 communal riots which particularly affected the areas of Khulna, Barisal and the district of Nadia. Another large flow in both directions occurred in 1964 following riots over the Hazratbal incident. In between these events there was always a trail of refugees each year.

In Karachi too there was a steady stream of refugees during the 1950s. According to the work of the historian Sarah Ansari, the city’s population swelled a further 230,000 in 1950 following disturbances and tensions in north India and UP in particular. As late as 1954, 5-6 thousand a month were still trying to make their way across the border in Khokhrapar to Karachi. As in Bengal, the Pakistan state sought to limit migration fearing that the state would be overwhelmed by the challenge of accommodating so many.

The prolonged period of migration made government efforts at rehabilitation of refugees in these areas a much more sketchy and ultimately failed process and this would have important political implications arguably contributing to the making of a Muhajir identity in Karachi and eventually encouraging support for the left in West Bengal.

A very good post. Thanks for the insight @KB it's always a pleasure reading your posts related to sub continent and history.
 
Muslims have just outbred hindus everywhere. That’s the real reason. It’s not because hindus are getting killed or moving elsewhere. They may be moving back to India, which is their choice but they are not being killed. It’s a stupid myth. Most of all, they need to be having more babies both in Pakistan and India.

Or else that damn muzzies will take over the whole subcontinent again��
Don’t need to kill when you can just wipe the future generations.
In case you didn’t understand.
Hindu girls being abducted and forced to marry, already married muslim men.
 
Don’t need to kill when you can just wipe the future generations.
In case you didn’t understand.
Hindu girls being abducted and forced to marry, already married muslim men.

Yea handful cases a year will wipe out future generations
 
Lies and misinformation spreads very quickly in Pakistan and India since large parts of our countries are uneducated bunch who don’t know what source criticism is.
 
No, Pakistan's non-Muslim population didn't decline from 23% to 3.7% as BJP claims

While moving the Citizenship Amendment Bill in the Lok Sabha on Monday, Union Home Minister Amit Shah said at the time of Independence, non-Muslims comprised 23 per cent of Pakistan's population and that by 2011 their share was reduced to 3.7 per cent.
With regards to Bangladesh, he claimed that in 1947, non-Muslims comprised 22 per cent of its population and their share in 2011 fell to 7.8 per cent.

Amit Shah's verbatim quote in Hindi: "1947 main Pakistan ke andar alpasankhyakon ki aabadi 23 pratishat thi, aur 2011 main wog ghat kar 3.7 pratishat ho gayi. Bangladesh main 1947 main aplsankhyakon ki aabadi 22 pratishat thi aur 2011 main wo kam ho kar 7.8 pratishat ho gayi. Kahan gaye ye log? Ya toh unka dharm parivartan hua. Ya wo maar diye gaye, ya bhaga diye gaye, ya Bharat aa gaye."


This has been a position maintained by the Bharatiya Janata Party and its supporters. To highlight the persecution of religious minorities in Pakistan (particularly of the Hindus), the BJP and right-wing Hindu organisations in India have been citing similar figures to argue that non-Muslims were brutally persecuted in an Islamic Pakistan after the Partition of 1947.

But how true are these numbers? Has population of non-Muslims in Pakistan really shrunk to 3.7 per cent today from a high of 23 per cent? What is the basis of this claim?
IndiaToday.in's analysis of Pakistan's Census data shows that these claims are faulty.

TRACING PAKISTAN's NON-MUSLIM POPULATION
Pakistan got its identity as a separate nation on August 14, 1947. Back then, Pakistan also included present-day Bangladesh which was known as East Pakistan. These two territories were carved out as a new independent nation with Islam as its state religion.
There is no authentic and reliable official data on the religious composition of Pakistan's population in 1947. While presenting the data on religious composition of Pakistan in 1947 in his speech, Home Minister Amit Shah did not mention his source either. A similar figure was mentioned in an article published by the Hudson Institute in 2013. The artilce 'Cleansing Pakistan of Minorities' was written by Farahnaz Ispahani, former member of Pakistan's Parliament. But she too did not mention the source of her figures.
The preceding figures on Pakistan's religious composition that are available are from Census 1941. But since it was conducted in an undivided India, referring to it is futile as it doesn't reflect the ground situation created just after the bloodied Partition in 1947.
After its formation, the first census in Pakistan was carried out in 1951. This census included both East and West Pakistan.

As per this census, the share of Muslims in Pakistan's overall population in 1951 was 85.80 per cent, while the share of non-Muslims was 14.20 per cent. (Pakistan here refers to East and West Pakistan taken together).
What is important to note in Census 1951 is that Pakistan's non-Muslim population wasn't evenly distributed.
In West Pakistan, the non-Muslim population was just 3.44 per cent, while in East Pakistan (today's Bangladesh) they had a significant share comprising 23.20 per cent of the population therein.

More on: https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...zenship-amendment-bill-bjp-1627678-2019-12-12
 
It was one thing when twitter trolls kept repeating this lie but now it seems like even mainstream politicians are flat out making stuff in the Indian parliament. Hopefully Indian people do their own research instead of eating up these obvious lies.

Anyways it’s good to see that at least one journalist called their government out.
 
Everyone but RSS/BJP thugs knew this fact, those who knew were intentionally ignoring it or distorting it to support their radicalism against a particular group out of hate.

old habit of most bigoted ideology to repeat false, made up facts to support their perverted believes.

These are the people who still believe Pakistan's F16 were downed by Indian rickshaw drivers in the sky.
 
Seems the sun doesn't set in BJP's India without them barking against Pakistan.
 
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India Today is calling them out, wow they are really on the back burner now with mainstream media [MENTION=147527]MP2011[/MENTION] [MENTION=139758]pillionrider[/MENTION] Lol
 
On the article it is unfair to see the census of 1951 as base it should had been 1941 as mentioned , that would give an idea about the number of people displaced , and yes lets do on both sides not selectively.

South of India would be an interesting one as to how it was 1941 and 2011 compared to Northern India and Pakistan.
 
I agree with this though.

Bangladesh (previously East Pakistan) has always had higher proportion of Hindus compared to West Pakistan. It's plain wrong to club both countries now.
 
I made a thread about this few years ago.

Let me look to bump it
 
This

In light of recent developments

Pakistan’s minority population share has actually INCREASED in recent years
 
So what is the official source? Is minority population increased in Pakistan? Let's hear from neutral sources.
 
Can anyone post official statistics regarding pakistan majority and minorities (good if every religion separate).
 
Indians have been peddling lies and myths about this topic for a long time, even those that are in the know that these numbers are manipulated and effectively **.
 
Can anyone post official statistics regarding pakistan majority and minorities (good if every religion separate).

The only statistic of importance is that, as per the 1951 census, 2% of West Pakistan was non-muslim. Today that number is 4%.
 
But Mr Shah's figures need to be challenged as he appears to have combined the data for what is now the state of Pakistan (formerly west Pakistan) with what is now Bangladesh (formerly east Pakistan).

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-50720273

There is a BBC article on it too. It seems like BJP's lies have gotten to the point that even international media is reacting to it.
 
India Today is calling them out, wow they are really on the back burner now with mainstream media [MENTION=147527]MP2011[/MENTION] [MENTION=139758]pillionrider[/MENTION] Lol

It's slowly falling apart.

The bhai-bhai between [MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] and [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] also under threat :snack:
 
This

In light of recent developments

Pakistan’s minority population share has actually INCREASED in recent years

Any numbers and breakdown to back that up? I hope numbers don't include the chinese workers who are part of CPEC. That was a joke, no hard feelings please
 
The number of Hindus in Pakistan have increased as part of population. The percentage.

Simple google search gets you the data

It’s higher than India lol. https://www.google.com/amp/s/wap.bu...faster-pace-than-in-india-119032600520_1.html

Do you read the headlines or go through the entire article

According to Pakistan Bureau of Statistics, the country’s population in 2017 was 207 million, growth of 146% from 1981. While Pakistan has not yet revealed the religious composition of its population in

the latest census, the 1998 census pegged the population of Hindus at 2.1 million. In 1998, Hindus comprised 1.6 per cent of Pakistan’s population which made them the biggest minority group in the country. Assuming that the proportion of Hindus in Pakistan’s total population remained the same, the number of Hindus in Pakistan, according to its latest census, would be around 3.3 million.

:)) how is this a fact in any sense of the world
 
India Today is calling them out, wow they are really on the back burner now with mainstream media [MENTION=147527]MP2011[/MENTION] [MENTION=139758]pillionrider[/MENTION] Lol
Good to see this!! Every tyrant has his end written beforehand.

Regarding OP, sanghis are habitual liars as I've always said. They can't breathe without spreading patently false things to suit their divisive and communal agenda.
 
It's slowly falling apart.

The bhai-bhai between [MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] and [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] also under threat :snack:
Even their pet, Aurnob is probably seeing the light of the day even though it is for his own reasons...
 
Most of the Pakistani Hindus used to live in East Pakistan before 1971.
BJP thugs are just trying to divert the attention from the Citizenship Amendment Bill, and they are using the same word every Indian politician uses to save his behind, Pakistan.
 
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