Why do Indians support anti-Islamic/Muslim discrimination?

[KingKhanWC]

I would like Indian posters to explain why they always support anyone or any rhetoric against Islam/Muslims?

I can understand Pakistan esp after downing their fighter jet and capturing their hero.

However Indians will be hated on just as much as any other brown people who are being discrimated.

Dozens of Sikhs were attacked and continue to be, as they look like Muslims.

Hindus will be attacked because they are brown.

Unless they colour their face white and chant Hari Krishna, Hari Rama, they are as much of risk as any other coloured people.

Australia is a good example, Indians have been beaten up for decades in some parts.

Helping those who hate you to is very strange.

Can anyone explain this phenomenon?

 

[Giannis]

They want to be white, colorism is rife in India. Look at bollywood it only promotes the least indian looking people and they ape middle eastern culture, if you watch any bollywood movie you'll notice every other movie has a belly dance sequence and they use persian words for the movie and song titles. They don't like middle eastern people cause they're mostly muslim but want to be them, so this leads to some kind of resentment towards them.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

They want to be white, colorism is rife in India. Look at bollywood it only promotes the least indian looking people and they ape middle eastern culture, if you watch any bollywood movie you'll notice every other movie has a belly dance sequence and they use persian words for the movie and song titles. They don't like middle eastern people cause they're mostly muslim but want to be them, so this leads to some kind of resentment towards them.

Yeah but they go by millions into middle eastern (MUSLIM) countries to find work and earn money, no?

 

[Pakpak]

Only if they were so intent on dealing with the extreme hellohole that's India as they are about Muslim event then maybe India WOULD be shining.

 

[Slog]

They think it’s some sort of revenge for the so called atrocities by Muslim invaders over the past millennia. Even in election rallies, participants talk about ‘Muslims se badla.’ I’m surprised though that the British do not get the same hate lol.

 

[KingKhanWC]

They think it’s some sort of revenge for the so called atrocities by Muslim invaders over the past millennia. Even in election rallies, participants talk about ‘Muslims se badla.’ I’m surprised though that the British do not get the same hate lol.

This is a key point. I also thought its due to invading Muslims or ruling Muslims but British are given so much respect. Wagah border is interesting, shows Indian soldiers wearing western british dress while Pakistanis are wearing traditonal clothes.

Could it be self hate or insecurity, not wanting to be Indian, thus distancing from other brown people while seeing whites as great people?

 

[Lurker_Ind]

Indians try to relate everything happening around the world with regards to Muslims with the events that have happened or happening in India. Considering what happened when Islamic invaders started showing up in India, Muslims get no sympathy.
This is no different to asking a Greek or Eastern Europeans about their opinion on Muslims.

 

[Thomaskutty]

I would like Indian posters to explain why they always support anyone or any rhetoric against Islam/Muslims?

Do indian posters here support ant-muslim rhetoric? I don't think so .. I haven't seen anything in my time here.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Do indian posters here support ant-muslim rhetoric? I don't think so .. I haven't seen anything in my time here.

On a daily basis , which is fine , freedom of speech within house rules.

Indians are defending French hate. Have supported Israel oppressing Palestinians etc etc.

If you havent noticed, not much more I can say.

 

[El Generico]

Indians try to relate everything happening around the world with regards to Muslims with the events that have happened or happening in India. Considering what happened when Islamic invaders started showing up in India, Muslims get no sympathy.
This is no different to asking a Greek or Eastern Europeans about their opinion on Muslims.

By this logic shouldn’t they also hate the British?

 

[Thomaskutty]

However Indians will be hated on just as much as any other brown people who are being discrimated.

This is not about white people's right to draw a cartoon.. it is about a larger principle of tackling dangerous reactions to something as trivial as cartoon. Think Salman Rushdie.

Similiar things have happened in India as well. A professor from my home state Kerala got his hand chopped off by extremists for some question about the Prophet in a question paper.

https://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/13-guilty-of-chopping-kerala-professors-hand/

 

[KingKhanWC]

This is not about white people's right to draw a cartoon.. it is about a larger principle of tackling dangerous reactions to something as trivial as cartoon. Think Salman Rushdie.

Similiar things have happened in India as well. A professor from my home state Kerala got his hand chopped off by extremists for some question about the Prophet in a question paper.

https://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/13-guilty-of-chopping-kerala-professors-hand/

So you now agree Indians support antiMuslim/Islam rhetoric. Good.

You point about India is a joke, India has elected an extremist government whose ideology is based on Hitler and other extremists. Please think before you type.

 

[Nadeemp]

They want to be white, colorism is rife in India. Look at bollywood it only promotes the least indian looking people and they ape middle eastern culture, if you watch any bollywood movie you'll notice every other movie has a belly dance sequence and they use persian words for the movie and song titles. They don't like middle eastern people cause they're mostly muslim but want to be them, so this leads to some kind of resentment towards them.

That can be said if pakistanis as well. Maybe more so.

 

[Giannis]

That can be said if pakistanis as well. Maybe more so.

We're talking about India and when do Pakistanis hate muslims or middle eastern people? I swear y'all lack basic comprehension .

 

[Nadeemp]

We're talking about India and when do Pakistanis hate muslims or middle eastern people? I swear y'all lack basic comprehension .

Dude you said “ want to be them,”. Many Pakistanis also I would say. Pakistanis also have started to use Arabic words in daily language. The pronounciations are similar to Arab words that Urdu in recent memory.

 

[Giannis]

Dude you said “ want to be them,”. Many Pakistanis also I would say. Pakistanis also have started to use Arabic words in daily language. The pronounciations are similar to Arab words that Urdu in recent memory.

LMAO we hear that all the time dude, for once somebody calls out Indians aping middle eastern and you lose your mind Pakistanis have always been critiqued for that from Indians but hey at least we don't hate Muslims and Middle Eastern people. Indians are hypocritical, they hate Muslims yet copy middle eastern culture and also mock Pakistanis for following Islam supposdely "copying" Arabs yet are tone deaf to themselves copying middle eastern people

 

[BreadPakoda]

Gross generalization. Obviously not all Indians hate Muslims. Moreover, some Indians are actually Muslims. So much wrong with the way OP thinks about things.

However, I agree that many Hindus hate Muslims. Many Hindus suffer from the “my religion is the best” syndrome. I’ve seen them having problems when some Muslims tell them that Islam is the only true religion.

 

[Nadeemp]

LMAO we hear that all the time dude, for once somebody calls out Indians aping middle eastern and you lose your mind Pakistanis have always been critiqued for that from Indians but hey at least we don't hate Muslims and Middle Eastern people. Indians are hypocritical, they hate Muslims yet copy middle eastern culture and also mock Pakistanis for following Islam supposdely "copying" Arabs yet are tone deaf to themselves copying middle eastern people

So both are in the wrong as I pointed out.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Gross generalization. Obviously not all Indians hate Muslims. Moreover, some Indians are actually Muslims. So much wrong with the way OP thinks about things.

However, I agree that many Hindus hate Muslims. Many Hindus suffer from the “my religion is the best” syndrome. I’ve seen them having problems when some Muslims tell them that Islam is the only true religion.

Indian is the politically correct word for hindus, as it is acceptable to make statements about a nationality instead of a religion.

but this generalization is true. most hindus hate muslims. the secular hindus are bit different, where they think all muslims except the indian muslims are bad. This has nothing to do with "my religion is the best" and nothing to do with muslims believing their religion is the only true one. It is because hindus have been humiliated by muslims in the past and they carry the scars.

 

[Varun]

Muslims are the bogeymen in Indian society - and this has been the case even before 9/11 and them becoming the world's bogeymen. The history and background for this is obvious.

I personally think Muslims are a great addition to our history. For starters, think of how bland our food would be without them.

 

[Giannis]

So both are in the wrong as I pointed out.

You might need to take reading lessons, this is thread is about India's hatred for Muslims and middle eastern people yet copy their culture. That is wrong. This has nothing nothing to do with Pakistanis. You guys are masters of deflections.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Muslims are the bogeymen in Indian society - and this has been the case even before 9/11 and them becoming the world's bogeymen. The history and background for this is obvious.

I personally think Muslims are a great addition to our history. For starters, think of how bland our food would be without them.

Agreed. soya chunks biryani is my favourite and can have it everyday. [MENTION=151956]Bigboii[/MENTION]

 

[CRIC_FANtastic]

You might need to take reading lessons, this is thread is about India's hatred for Muslims and middle eastern people yet copy their culture. That is wrong. This has nothing nothing to do with Pakistanis. You guys are masters of deflections.

"Alleged" hatred. Or, should I say 'fabricated'.

 

[Giannis]

"Alleged" hatred. Or, should I say 'fabricated'.

Nope, it's well supported. Not only are the indian posters here a great example of this but this is supported by the actions of your government and rhetoric spewed by your politicians and journalists.

 

[Varun]

Anyway, Indians aren't relevant in whatever is going on in France or the Netherlands. Online hashtags don't achieve anything in any day or age.

But the best part? Pakistanis don't have to care either. Leave the French to sort it out with their African or Chechen immigrant populace.

 

[CricketCartoons]

But the best part? Pakistanis don't have to care either. Leave the French to sort it out with their African or Chechen immigrant populace.

yes, because only the africans and chechens in france should be offended by the islamophobia and cartoons.

 

[Hitman]

On a daily basis , which is fine , freedom of speech within house rules.

Indians are defending French hate. Have supported Israel oppressing Palestinians etc etc.

If you havent noticed, not much more I can say.

Why worry whether Indians support Israel or not? After all, Israel is just a few years away from being wiped out from the world map, isn't it?

 

[Varun]

Why worry whether Indians support Israel or not? After all, Israel is just a few years away from being wiped out from the world map, isn't it?

It's because his soul is incomplete without mentioning "Israel" or "Zionists" once in 3 posts.

 

[Bigboii]

Agreed. soya chunks biryani is my favourite and can have it everyday. [MENTION=151956]Bigboii[/MENTION]

Not a briyani stop ruining the dish
Your food choices absolutely disgusts me...

 

[Hitman]

It's because his soul is incomplete without mentioning "Israel" or "Zionists" once in 3 posts.

Remember how USA is just years away from losing it's status as the world's super power. And once that happens, Pakistan and Turkey can easily take the USA's place? ) )

 

[Madplayer]

By and large, the Hindus of India, absolutely hate our guts. They loathe us for who we are especially when we are unapologetic and confident about it. They believe muslims are outsiders who took chunks of Indian land and formed their own countries and shouldnt be in India anymore. This is the answer to your question plain and simple. Don't look anywhere else. There is nothing more to it.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

This is a key point. I also thought its due to invading Muslims or ruling Muslims but British are given so much respect. Wagah border is interesting, shows Indian soldiers wearing western british dress while Pakistanis are wearing traditonal clothes.

Could it be self hate or insecurity, not wanting to be Indian, thus distancing from other brown people while seeing whites as great people?

Not sure it is necessarily self hate for Indians not to hold a grudge against the British, it may just be an honest recognition the British are their superiors. Mimicry is the sincerest form of flattery as they say, so wearing British dress certainly makes sense if you believe this line of thinking.

You can see that many Indian posters keep throwing barbs in my direction because I remind them I am British not Pakistani, and this seems to infuriate them. I'm not sure why, but at a guess would assume they feel inferior to Brits. Which as I said, is not necessarily self hate, just honesty.

 

[Madplayer]

Not sure it is necessarily self hate for Indians not to hold a grudge against the British, it may just be an honest recognition the British are their superiors. Mimicry is the sincerest form of flattery as they say, so wearing British dress certainly makes sense if you believe this line of thinking.

You can see that many Indian posters keep throwing barbs in my direction because I remind them I am British not Pakistani, and this seems to infuriate them. I'm not sure why, but at a guess would assume they feel inferior to Brits. Which as I said, is not necessarily self hate, just honesty.

Why Indian hindus dont hate brits on the same level as muslims is simple, the Brits don't live among the Indians anymore.

Most muslims had come and made India their home and they stayed back. Brits had come to loot and plunder and they left.

 

[CricketCartoons]

By and large, the Hindus of India, absolutely hate our guts. They loathe us for who we are especially when we are unapologetic and confident about it. They believe muslims are outsiders who took chunks of Indian land and formed their own countries and shouldnt be in India anymore. This is the answer to your question plain and simple. Don't look anywhere else. There is nothing more to it.

It is not just the old wounds, but the wounds keep getting reopened and not allowed to heal. Even now muslims are outmaling and humiliating our masculinity. My own experiences don't let me overcome you guys (kashmiri muslims, one of them my classmate). but won't derail the thread with my personal anecdotes.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Why Indian hindus dont hate brits on the same level as muslims is simple, the Brits don't live among the Indians anymore.

Most muslims had come and made India their home and they stayed back. Brits had come to loot and plunder and they left.

But many of the Muslims left as well, and they became Pakistan. The only Muslims who are left in India are the ones who were loyal to India. Are you telling me they are the ones who Indians hate the most?

 

[Slog]

Remember how USA is just years away from losing it's status as the world's super power. And once that happens, Pakistan and Turkey can easily take the USA's place? ) )

Was that supposed to be before or after India became a superpower in 2020 though?

 

[Varun]

Was that supposed to be before or after India became a superpower in 2020 though?

Hey - at least we give solid dates. His predictions are always up in the air stuff and take inspiration from Harry Potter and La La Land. "Some armies will march here", "The people will rise together there" and that kind of stuff.

 

[Hitman]

Was that supposed to be before or after India became a superpower in 2020 though?

India is never going yo be a superpower, irrespective of what any one says. See, we’re not blind. We can see the practical reality. Unlike that particular poster who was claiming hoe the demise of the USA was apparent in a fee years and how Pakistan snd Turkey would take over sfter that

 

[cricketjoshila]

Hey - at least we give solid dates. His predictions are always up in the air stuff and take inspiration from Harry Potter and La La Land. "Some armies will march here", "The people will rise together there" and that kind of stuff.

West(US) Zionists and Hindus all will fall.

 

[Madplayer]

It is not just the old wounds, but the wounds keep getting reopened and not allowed to heal. Even now muslims are outmaling and humiliating our masculinity. My own experiences don't let me overcome you guys (kashmiri muslims, one of them my classmate). but won't derail the thread with my personal anecdotes.

But the hatred is going to lead nowhere. Pick up any history book and see what hatred has led nations to.

 

[Romali_rotti]

I would like Indian posters to explain why they always support anyone or any rhetoric against Islam/Muslims?

I can understand Pakistan esp after downing their fighter jet and capturing their hero.

However Indians will be hated on just as much as any other brown people who are being discrimated.

Dozens of Sikhs were attacked and continue to be, as they look like Muslims.

Hindus will be attacked because they are brown.

Unless they colour their face white and chant Hari Krishna, Hari Rama, they are as much of risk as any other coloured people.

Australia is a good example, Indians have been beaten up for decades in some parts.

Helping those who hate you to is very strange.

Can anyone explain this phenomenon?

From my perspective,

I do not hate or have a problem with people of any religion.

However I have issue with the way certain muslims act, this obsession I see to convert people of other faiths to Islam, is a real turn off. It seems that a lot of muslims just do not get it, that; a lot of people do not care whether we would go a heaven or hell because we do not follow your faith. In other words people are happy to follow their own beliefs and not willing to convert to Islam and do not find Islam appealing to them.

Me along with plenty of others have issues with things like Islamic extremism, terrorism, stabbing, beheading etc all connected to Islam, its a threat to the world world. Living in the west most of my life, lot of people here are very alarmed at these barbaric acts done by some of these muslims. If you look at most terrorist incidents, you will see a muslin connection to it, this paints a terrible picture about Islam, that this religion is not for the 20th century and they cannot assimilate with the modern society.

Of course there are psychopaths in all forms like the NZ shooter etc, I am not saying certain people are better than the others however, Islam as a whole needs a little bit of reform like Christianity did imo, otherwise people will marginalize it.

 

[Madplayer]

But many of the Muslims left as well, and they became Pakistan. The only Muslims who are left in India are the ones who were loyal to India. Are you telling me they are the ones who Indians hate the most?

Yes exactly. They are the ones Indians hate the most but it is also hatred for muslims and Islam in general also now. But they hate Indian muslims the most.

 

[CricketCartoons]

But the hatred is going to lead nowhere. Pick up any history book and see what hatred has led nations to.

Being submissive also didn't lead to anywhere. Let us give hatred a chance and see what are the results.

 

[Madplayer]

Being submissive also didn't lead to anywhere. Let us give hatred a chance and see what are the results.

This is interesting. Who was submissive to whom?

 

[Romali_rotti]

Similiar things have happened in India as well. A professor from my home state Kerala got his hand chopped off by extremists for some question about the Prophet in a question paper.

https://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/13-guilty-of-chopping-kerala-professors-hand/

This...

The same state I am from as well, the state which proudly has the largest number of ISIS recruits from India.

 

[Madplayer]

This...

The same state I am from as well, the state which proudly has the largest number of ISIS recruits from India.

I dont understand what the point here is. Hindus dont indulge in such crimes of religious nature?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

From my perspective,

I do not hate or have a problem with people of any religion.

However I have issue with the way certain muslims act, this obsession I see to convert people of other faiths to Islam, is a real turn off. It seems that a lot of muslims just do not get it, that; a lot of people do not care whether we would go a heaven or hell because we do not follow your faith. In other words people are happy to follow their own beliefs and not willing to convert to Islam and do not find Islam appealing to them.

Me along with plenty of others have issues with things like Islamic extremism, terrorism, stabbing, beheading etc all connected to Islam, its a threat to the world world. Living in the west most of my life, lot of people here are very alarmed at these barbaric acts done by some of these muslims. If you look at most terrorist incidents, you will see a muslin connection to it, this paints a terrible picture about Islam, that this religion is not for the 20th century and they cannot assimilate with the modern society.

Of course there are psychopaths in all forms like the NZ shooter etc, I am not saying certain people are better than the others however, Islam as a whole needs a little bit of reform like Christianity did imo, otherwise people will marginalize it.

Interesting. I know you live in Australia, have you had Muslims in Australia pressuring you to convert to Islam? Any personal experiences of being stabbed or beheaded?

 

[Romali_rotti]

Interesting. I know you live in Australia, have you had Muslims in Australia pressuring you to convert to Islam? Any personal experiences of being stabbed or beheaded?

Cap,

Your posts highlights the muslim problem. You just don't get it... Anyway keep it up...

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Cap,

Your posts highlights the muslim problem. You just don't get it... Anyway keep it up...

I was just trying to find out if your views are formed by actual experiences or surfing the web.

 

[Romali_rotti]

I was just trying to find out if your views are formed by actual experiences or surfing the web.

I do not need to experience first hand of having my arm or head cut off or stabbed or whatever else for speaking about Islam. Knowing these incidents have happened is enough to form the opinion.. I say it again, Islam needs reform or it could get isolated, well in the first world countries anyway..

 

[Madplayer]

Imran khan just tweeted a letter to the muslim leaders of the world and ONCE AGAIN Indian hindus show up with abuses and trolling lol

 

[CricketCartoons]

Imran khan just tweeted a letter to the muslim leaders of the world and ONCE AGAIN Indian hindus show up with abuses and trolling lol

God blessed Pakistan with great geography, flora and fauna. but the best thing was that He gave India as its neighbour. Pakistanis would have been sad if they had a sea on their eastern border instead of India.

 

[Madplayer]

God blessed Pakistan with great geography, flora and fauna. but the best thing was that He gave India as its neighbour. Pakistanis would have been sad if they had a sea on their eastern border instead of India.

Yeah. Would have been bad if a developed country was its neighbour.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I do not need to experience first hand of having my arm or head cut off or stabbed or whatever else for speaking about Islam. Knowing these incidents have happened is enough to form the opinion.. I say it again, Islam needs reform or it could get isolated, well in the first world countries anyway..

That's fair enough, I also form my opinions about Indians from surfing the web. Most of them seem far more confrontational online than they do when I meet them in real life so I do find it difficult to form an opinion of them. The ones I come across in the UK usually seem quite nice and respectful, but then you have heard that old chestnut about mun pe ram ram....

 

[Romali_rotti]

That's fair enough, I also form my opinions about Indians from surfing the web. Most of them seem far more confrontational online than they do when I meet them in real life so I do find it difficult to form an opinion of them. The ones I come across in the UK usually seem quite nice and respectful, but then you have heard that old chestnut about mun pe ram ram....

That's nice Cap.. You definitely onto something here, you would never find an Indian Hindu in real life that would cut off someone's head for making fun of their gods, they are just not that tough.....

 

[Local.Dada]

That's fair enough, I also form my opinions about Indians from surfing the web. Most of them seem far more confrontational online than they do when I meet them in real life so I do find it difficult to form an opinion of them. The ones I come across in the UK usually seem quite nice and respectful, but then you have heard that old chestnut about mun pe ram ram....

That’s probably because you don’t speak the same way to them as you would post on PP

 

[in_cutter]

Not all Indians but most Hindus will froth at the mouth regarding anything anti-Islam.

Even today, Charlie Hebdo is trending on Twitter - most of the comments of support are from Indian Hindus.

 

[Kroll]

Ankhi Das: Facebook India's policy head quits amid hate speech row

Facebook India's policy head Ankhi Das has resigned two months after the social media giant was embroiled in a hate speech controversy in the country.

The Wall Street Journal had accused Facebook of going easy on ruling party supporters who allegedly violated hate speech rules with anti-Muslim posts.

The paper also alleged that Ms Das had made the controversial decisions and was politically partisan.

Facebook denied the allegations and said it did not favour any party.

But the row put the company in a delicate position in its biggest market. Its head of business for India, Ajit Mohan, was later grilled by an Indian parliamentary committee.

Mr Mohan said in a statement on Tuesday that Ms Das had stepped down from her role in Facebook to pursue "her interest in public service".

He added that Ms Das, who was one of the company's first employees in India, had "played an instrumental role" in its growth and had made "enormous contributions".

She made headlines in August when a Wall Street Journal report alleged that Facebook deleted some anti-Muslim posts by a lawmaker from the governing Bharatiya Janata Party only after the paper asked about them.

Ms Das was at the centre of the controversy as she allegedly made the decision not to delete these posts.

According to the paper, Ms Das told employees that "punishing violations by politicians from Mr Modi's [Prime Minister Narendra Modi] party would damage the company's business prospects in the country".

The paper also alleged that similar posts by at least three others, who supported the BJP, were not taken down even after they were flagged for violating the company's hate speech rules.

Ms Das was then the subject of a second report by the WSJ, which alleged that she supported the BJP and Mr Modi, while denigrating the opposition parties in internal messages.

Facebook, however, denied it favoured any political party, and said these messages were taken out of context.

Facebook is hugely popular in India, with more than 300 million users. Its messaging platform, WhatsApp, has 400 million users.

The apps have grown in influence, especially ahead of and during elections, but the company has often been accused of doing too little to curb fake news or toxic content on them - a charge it has always denied.

"We prohibit hate speech and content that incites violence and we enforce these policies globally without regard to anyone's political position or party affiliation," Facebook told the BBC in an earlier email.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-54715995

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

That’s probably because you don’t speak the same way to them as you would post on PP

Why would I? None of them don't come knocking on my door to tell me that we are terrorists or love jihad pests. It's an analogy, you could consider PP a home of sorts for folk around the world of Pakistani heritage.

 

[Stewie]

I do not need to experience first hand of having my arm or head cut off or stabbed or whatever else for speaking about Islam. Knowing these incidents have happened is enough to form the opinion.. I say it again, Islam needs reform or it could get isolated, well in the first world countries anyway..

Islam doesn’t need reform. Some “Muslims” do.
But I agree with the spirit of your statement. With thst being said, there is a broader question that seems to be the elephant in the room.
“Why is it ok to insult a group of people in the name of freedom of speech?”
It could be any group of people, based on sex, color, ethnicity, religion, other factors. When you are taught in the western civilization to not discriminate, use derogatory terms for blacks, Jews, Asians, etc why is it ok to portray a whole faith in bad light? Isn’t that a form of discrimination?

I always thought Islam doesn’t need defense against anyone. If we believe our religion to be the one true religion, we shouldn’t have to defend it against such people. I maintain that. However, it’s the hypocrisy of the whole stance on freedom of speech that I find laughable.

 

[Nadeemp]

Islam doesn’t need reform. Some “Muslims” do.
But I agree with the spirit of your statement. With thst being said, there is a broader question that seems to be the elephant in the room.
“Why is it ok to insult a group of people in the name of freedom of speech?”
It could be any group of people, based on sex, color, ethnicity, religion, other factors. When you are taught in the western civilization to not discriminate, use derogatory terms for blacks, Jews, Asians, etc why is it ok to portray a whole faith in bad light? Isn’t that a form of discrimination?

I always thought Islam doesn’t need defense against anyone. If we believe our religion to be the one true religion, we shouldn’t have to defend it against such people. I maintain that. However, it’s the hypocrisy of the whole stance on freedom of speech that I find laughable.

All religions can be criticized. And they are. However to discriminate against a group because of who they are is wrong. It religion. Any idea of ideology can be criticized

 

[Stewie]

All religions can be criticized. And they are. However to discriminate against a group because of who they are is wrong. It religion. Any idea of ideology can be criticized

I see your point, but here is a question for you and others. What happened with the Jews?

Was the holocaust a result of their faith or the fact they were identified as belonging collectively to a certain faith and thereby possessing some characteristics which were considered undesirable?

 

[Nadeemp]

I see your point, but here is a question for you and others. What happened with the Jews?

Was the holocaust a result of their faith or the fact they were identified as belonging collectively to a certain faith and thereby possessing some characteristics which were considered undesirable?

Can you please restate your question. I don’t understand it

 

[Bewal Express]

The Hindutuva feel part of the global anti Islam movement and latch on to any demagogue that shows any sort of hate towards Muslims. What they forget is that the same people have an antipathy to brown people in general. Just look at Trumps brutal comments on India and its cleanliness.

 

[Stewie]

Can you please restate your question. I don’t understand it

its quite simple

Why did the Jews suffer Holocaust at the hands of the Nazis? Was it due to their religion or was it because of who they were as a group of people and identified with a common characteristic?

 

[Nadeemp]

its quite simple

Why did the Jews suffer Holocaust at the hands of the Nazis? Was it due to their religion or was it because of who they were as a group of people and identified with a common characteristic?

A bit of both i would say. What do you think

 

[Bigboii]

By and large, the Hindus of India, absolutely hate our guts. They loathe us for who we are especially when we are unapologetic and confident about it. They believe muslims are outsiders who took chunks of Indian land and formed their own countries and shouldnt be in India anymore. This is the answer to your question plain and simple. Don't look anywhere else. There is nothing more to it.

Yep I know Indians would never agree with this statement but 150% agree with you and that's the feeling I get

If you don't completely bow down to them they would never truly accept you as part of society and Pakistan I feel is the extension of the hate towards muslims

Whenever something bad happens in Pakistan a vast minority of people are happy (PIA crash, madrasa explosions etc, etc)

 

[Nadeemp]

Yep I know Indians would never agree with this statement but 150% agree with you and that's the feeling I get

If you don't completely bow down to them they would never truly accept you as part of society and Pakistan I feel is the extension of the hate towards muslims

Whenever something bad happens in Pakistan a vast minority of people are happy (PIA crash, madrasa explosions etc, etc)

Bigboii
I think the same would be true if reversed. Pakistanis rejoice at India’s misery. The message board is full of examples.

 

[Stewie]

A bit of both i would say. What do you think

I agree.
and therein lies the gist of it.

When a group of people strongly identify with their faith and due to that develop certain characteristics which set them apart from the others or majority, then this is how discrimination starts. BY targeting that one factor that is being used to identify them. With jews, it could have been their inability to conform to German christian culture, certain social economic cultural practices, you name it. The Nazis did not like it. They started a campaign against them. Now we do not hear about what set them off but we hear they killed the Jews and it was very bad. But how did it all begin? You wont hear much about it.

This is how the battle lines are drawn. You can start setting a group of people apart by using their faith as an excuse to pick on them. You insult their faith and their religious practices. Then it turns into insulting them because they practice the said faith. Then the insults turn into hate and hate is a very very strong emotion.

In a nutshell, I would say if a group of people strongly identify with a certain social/religious/anthropological factor, it should not be ok to insult that aspect in the name of freedom of speech. Because it leads to bigger problems.

Can you imagine insulting the Jewish faith and practices without the possibility of being labelled an anti-semite?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Bigboii
I think the same would be true if reversed. Pakistanis rejoice at India’s misery. The message board is full of examples.

I disagree, I think most Pakistanis would love to have normal relations with India, and by normal I mean simply cordial and not laced with hostility. I don't think the same is true vice versa simply because most Indians don't believe Pakistan should even exist.

 

[Madplayer]

Bigboii
I think the same would be true if reversed. Pakistanis rejoice at India’s misery. The message board is full of examples.

You are kidding yourself if you think anyone rejoices at the same sick level when Indians die. The hindutva hatred for muslims is out of control and this isnt an aberration to the norm. It IS the norm and anything else is an aberration.

 

[Bigboii]

Bigboii
I think the same would be true if reversed. Pakistanis rejoice at India’s misery. The message board is full of examples.

Nah man I doubt it because after every tragedy "civilian" in Pakistan look at indian Twitter

But does the same happen in Pakistani social media when some tragedy like plane crash or something happens in India

No I didn't see that in Pakistani social media

So there is genuine hatred there at boderline personal level

 

[Nadeemp]

Good and civilized thread. I guess we all are shaped from experiences. I grew up in Dubai and went to a mixed school and there were plenty of Indians and Sri Lankan’s who I was very friendly with. Then I moved to the mid west in the early 90s. There were hardly any brown people so all desis had to Socialize as there were not enough of us to make into groupings. I college I had indian friends and dated an indian ( Hindu). The cricket team I played on was mostly West Indies and Australian and rest were indian and pakistani. We are life long friends . I moved to nyc in late 90s and I would say I have more dear indian friends than pakistani. One thing I noticed from Midwest to New York is Most of my Indian friends had indian muslim and indian silkh friends. Whereas Pakistanis only hung out with muslim Pakistanis. This is just personal experience. I have found MY indian friends to be more open, tolerant, worldly than MY pakistani friends.

 

[Nadeemp]

Nah man I doubt it because after every tragedy "civilian" in Pakistan look at indian Twitter

But does the same happen in Pakistani social media when some tragedy like plane crash or something happens in India

No I didn't see that in Pakistani social media

So there is genuine hatred there at boderline personal level

When the mars mission for India failed there is plenty of rejoicing land mocking on Pakistani side

 

[Technics 1210]

The answer to the OP is simple. Hinduism, or Polytheism, has been around yonks before Islam.

Yet Islam is the fastest growing religion despite being the youngest, whereas Hinduism (or known as Brahmanism) is one of the oldest religions, but has failed to appeal to the world. Hence why Hinduism is confined to India.

Simply put, jealousy, thus a chip on the shoulder.

 

[Nadeemp]

You are kidding yourself if you think anyone rejoices at the same sick level when Indians die. The hindutva hatred for muslims is out of control and this isnt an aberration to the norm. It IS the norm and anything else is an aberration.

Is See same hatred on both sides ( on the internet)
There are a billlion Indians . So they have a bigger piece of the pie. Hatred of Hindus is ingrained in Pakistani culture. To say otherwise is a lie

 

[Nadeemp]

The answer to the OP is simple. Hinduism, or Polytheism, has been around yonks before Islam.

Yet Islam is the fastest growing religion despite being the youngest, whereas Hinduism (or known as Brahmanism) is one of the oldest religions, but has failed to appeal to the world. Hence why Hinduism is confined to India.

Simply put, jealousy, thus a chip on the shoulder.

Where do you get all your ideas. Hindus don’t care what religion you are. They are not into converting other groups to Hinduism. Hence no need to expand. Whereas Christian and Muslims have an agenda to convert everyone.

 

[Technics 1210]

Where do you get all your ideas. Hindus don’t care what religion you are. They are not into converting other groups to Hinduism. Hence no need to expand. Whereas Christian and Muslims have an agenda to convert everyone.

Then go drink cow urine while dancing around Sati.

Ignore list hence forth. These indian trolls pretending to be Muslim Pakistanis need a refund.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

The answer to the OP is simple. Hinduism, or Polytheism, has been around yonks before Islam.

Yet Islam is the fastest growing religion despite being the youngest, whereas Hinduism (or known as Brahmanism) is one of the oldest religions, but has failed to appeal to the world. Hence why Hinduism is confined to India.

Simply put, jealousy, thus a chip on the shoulder.

Hinduism does not have the "Saving from Hell Fires" concept. There is no concept of conversion there even though it is getting started in the past couple of decades due to ISCON movement in Europe and Americas.
Hindus believe in moksha (liberation of soul from rebirth). So no concept of going to heaven and God or Gods getting angry because the dead person never believed in the Hindu God when he/she was alive.

Christianity and Islam are different. numbers matter to them. Islam is the fastest growing religion due to high fertility rate and nothing else.

 

[Technics 1210]

Heheheheh. Triggered.

Job done. Truth exposed.

Bless.