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What a shocking and painful article to read in todays Guardian. Really chilling that extremist ideologies are causing people to flee India in record numbers.

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US immigration lawyers say the rise in undocumented Indian migration is linked to the rise of the Hindu nationalist ruling party – and the sectarian violence it has inspired

through two front windows. As they took cover, Kumar said he glimpsed a car driving away – with a bumper sticker for the country’s Hindu nationalist ruling party, the Bharatiya Janata party or BJP.

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A couple of months later, the couple were riding their motorcycle home one night after canvassing a nearby village for the Indian National Congress party, the BJP’s main rival, ahead of the country’s general election last year.

Four men, who Kumar recognized as BJP supporters, blocked the road ahead of him. He swerved, lost control and crashed to the ground, where the men beat him so badly that he couldn’t walk for 10 days, he said. Kumar went to a police station, but two BJP members were waiting there to prevent him from filing a report, he said.

Soon after, a relative told him he had heard that the attackers were looking for him again – so Kumar and his wife decided to flee the country.

“I was scared for my life,” said Kumar, who asked not to use his full name to protect family members still in India. “I thought I was going to get killed.”


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Soon, he and his wife were on a plane to Mexico where they joined the growing number of Indians crossing the border to seek asylum in the United States.

After migrants from Latin America, more Indians are detained at the US southern border than citizens of any other country. 2018 (the last year for which figures are available) saw the highest number of detentions ever recorded: nearly 9,000 Indians were caught by the border patrol, a dramatic increase from a decade before when only 77 were caught.

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As they make their journey halfway around the world, Indians face the same dangers as other migrants do: they risk rape, robbery and death on the border – a six-year-old Sikh girl died while crossing the Arizona desert in mid-June. And the dangers persist when they reach American soil: five Indian asylum seekers have been on hunger strike for more than 90 days to protest at being held in a Louisiana Ice detention centre, and two of them have been force-fed.

One of the men told the Guardian he fled India after being threatened by Hindu nationalists for converting to Christianity. “I am not a criminal. I never did any crime. I’ve never been to jail,” he said.

Mexican migration and military police found undocumented Indian migrants travelling on a bus at a checkpoint on the outskirts of Tapachula, Chiapas State, on 14 June 2019.
Mexican migration and military police found undocumented Indian migrants travelling on a bus at a checkpoint on the outskirts of Tapachula, Chiapas state, on 14 June 2019. Photograph: Quetzalli Blanco/AFP via Getty Images
In October, Mexican immigration authorities deported 311 Indian citizens – most of them from Punjab – in what they called an “unprecedented” repatriation.

Migration is driven by a host of causes, but many US immigration lawyers say the rise in undocumented Indian migration is linked to the ascent of the BJP – and the sectarian violence the party has inspired.


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“If you look at when this uptick began, it really stems from when the BJP came into power,” said Deepak Ahluwalia, an immigration lawyer who frequently works with Indian asylum seekers.

Since Narendra Modi became prime minister in 2014, vigilante violence by militant Hindu nationalists in India has surged. As many as 90% of religious hate crimes in the last decade took place after Modi was elected, according to Factchecker.in, an Indian group that tracks religious hate crimes.

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Victims – often Muslims, low-caste individuals and other minorities – have endured forced conversions, fatal beatings and even lynch mobs. Extremist groups have attacked fellow Indians suspected of stealing or slaughtering cows, which are sacred in Hinduism. These vigilante Hindu groups killed at least 44 people between May 2015 and December 2018, according to a recent Human Rights Watch report.

Police have neglected to investigate and prosecute wrongdoers in many cases, and Hindu nationalist political leaders have even defended such attacks. The US Commission on International Religious Freedom denounced the Indian government’s “allowance and encouragement of mob violence against religious minorities” in an April report.

In December, the Indian parliament passed a contentious citizenship bill, which many believe is openly discriminatory against Muslims, sparking protests across the country.

The bill’s passage is the latest in a series of anti-Muslim attacks led by the Modi government, following the detention of thousands of Muslims in Kashmir and a citizenship crackdown in the north-eastern India that left millions of people, mostly Muslims, potentially stateless.

Supporters of India’s ruling Bharatiya Janata Party hold flags as they attend a rally, addressed by Home Minister Amit Shah, in support of a new citizenship law on 21 January.
Supporters of India’s ruling Bharatiya Janata party hold flags as they attend a rally, addressed by the home minister, Amit Shah, in support of a new citizenship law on 21 January. Photograph: Pawan Kumar/Reuters
Some academics argue, however, that Indian emigration is more driven by economic factors.


“In the big scheme of things, it is not persecution which is driving global migration. It is the economy,” said Tayyab Mahmud, a law professor at Seattle University School of Law who has testified in asylum proceedings for Indian migrants.

John Lawit, a Dallas-based immigration attorney, said most of his Indian clients were Sikh tenant farmers who were driven out of business by corporate farms.

But other immigration lawyers say they have represented Indian asylum seekers who have faced identity-based violence, including Christians, Muslims, LGBTQ people, and members of lower castes.

Harjinder Singh, a Sikh asylum-seeker from Punjab, argued that the journey from India to the United States is too costly for migrants to leave for economic reasons. He said he left Punjab because he was beaten up by members of the state’s ruling Congress party for belonging to the Sikh Shiromani Akali Dal party.

“It’s people that can afford to come here,” he said. “People that can pay 40,000 dollars.”

Indian asylum seekers often fear that if they stay in India – even if they moved far away from their hometown – they’d still be subject to vigilante violence. And interviews with migrants suggest that many choose to come to the United States because they have family or friends that live there.


Some Indian migrants fly from India to Europe, before arriving in Mexico. Others fly into Central or South America and follow the well-trodden migrant trail into Mexico.

Most Indian migrants, like Kumar, then cross the border near Calexico, a small town in the southern California desert.

Smugglers often drop them off near a three-foot high border wall and tell them to hop over the barrier and keep walking, said agent Eduardo Jacobo, spokesman for the El Centro sector border patrol, where Calexico is located.

None of the local border patrol agents speak Punjabi or Hindi, said Jacobo, adding that he would use hand signals to communicate with the migrants until he could call an interpreter.

“The smugglers all take them to the same spots,” said Jacobo, . “They all look lost and scared.”
How sad! Indians should take a good hard look at themselves and the misery that this right wing government is causing everyone.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/03/india-migrants-mexico-us-border
 
I really used to believe in western media a lot, esp likes of Guardian and NY times but i see the bias there too now, unfortunate ,now I have come to doubt everything especially since this topic I personally know about in Usa and Canada.

Irrespective on the topic, from all the asylum seeking I have seen, Punjabis would put any excuse to go abroad, and truth is I have people in my family who did the same, have discussed this and shared multiple videos on the same during Congress era as well.

People should check out how easy its actually to file asylum in USA (before Trump) and is currently in Canada, one would be surprised.

BJP defn is a menace but the rich or middlecass aren’t affected by it.
 
[MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] - punjab forms majority but it certainly is not punjab exclusive
 
As for the topic it’s been a theme for the past few years where it’s Just shot up insanely high
 
As for the topic it’s been a theme for the past few years where it’s Just shot up insanely high

Because people are getting caught now, the uneven distribution of Punjabis in Canada and USA speaks otherwise esp for USA which has very strict immigration laws..
 
I’m going to spell it out again.. 40k dollars you can do masters easily in USA or Canada.. but they don’t why?

South Indians come in huge number to. USA as well spending less than 40k not via agent, yes there have been cases of false uni but Punjabis take it to a different level.

The only issue I have with this scenario is something that has been happening is being twisted to give it some different color and an excuse by economic immigrants.
 
I’m going to spell it out again.. 40k dollars you can do masters easily in USA or Canada.. but they don’t why?

South Indians come in huge number to. USA as well spending less than 40k not via agent, yes there have been cases of false uni but Punjabis take it to a different level.

The only issue I have with this scenario is something that has been happening is being twisted to give it some different color and an excuse by economic immigrants.

There’s Gujratis in the group too the article says

Can you give a cited breakdown which states that majority are Punjabi’s? In one instance when the illegal Indians were caught en masse they were mostly Punjabis but that could just be coincidence
 
My hunch says these are folks taking this risk for greener pastures and not some oppressed souls. Not any different from other asylum seeking people.

A "Kumar" feeling threatened in Gujarat. Lol. Hope he gets deported back.
 
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There’s Gujratis in the group too the article says

Can you give a cited breakdown which states that majority are Punjabi’s? In one instance when the illegal Indians were caught en masse they were mostly Punjabis but that could just be coincidence

Check all those articles again and again and see where the ‘agent’ was and the guys who were quoted, I almost tagged you every time.. and Gujjus might be as well, as I have seen few in Subways working but they won’t even be near to Punjabis.

If you ever see local Punjabi channels you would know what I’m talking about, google IELTS agent Punjab, so many hoardings just of that.
Punjabis are mostly in Punjab,Haryana,Delhi,Himachal. There is one city in Chattisgarh and Maharashtra with the same.
 
My hunch says these are folks taking this risk for greener pastures and not some oppressed souls. Not any different from other asylum seeking people.

A "Kumar" feeling threatened in Gujarat. Lol. Hope he gets deported back.

Either way it’s not a great look for india you would have to admit since even illegal economic migration is bad
 
Either way it’s not a great look for india you would have to admit since even illegal economic migration is bad

Yea.. but that’s again for egoistic Indians who refused to accept issues of the country, outlook is different from what it’s being twisted to by Guardian.
 
There are a lot of illegal indians here in texas, some of them are involved in immigration fraud, tax scams and other white collar crimes. A lot of them work at gas stations and other menial jobs since they don't have papers.
 
Well you cant blame them.

Who would want to live under a government who members see child rapists as heros and incite people to shoot those who are protesting legally. So thankful I have never set foot in such a hellhole.
 
Wait, so India is a booming economic paradise but Indians are fleeing India? Something isnt right.

My money is on the fake global image of India, revealing to be nothing but propaganda.
 
So the refugees are traveling 9000 miles away, crossing Oceans to escape the threat of BJP :)))

They do not want to flee to any of the near by countries.
 
Well you cant blame them.

Who would want to live under a government who members see child rapists as heros and incite people to shoot those who are protesting legally. So thankful I have never set foot in such a hellhole.

Not sure about child rapist news. Can you post a link?

The Shaheen Bagh Protests against NRC and CAA was hijacked by Islamic extremists.

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People chanting they want "Jinnah Wali Azadi". A clear demand for separate nation. They were also talking about separating Assam from the rest of India.

I am all for Left wing support, but the ideals of Left are hijacked by Islamic extremists. Ironically, its the Communists that are backing them.
 
lol I can only laugh at the title...

now coming back to topic , in india entering USA is considered a 'status symbol' ! If an unmarried groom works any job in USA back home his parents can take lots of money in dowry at his marriage ! So being a status symbol people invest lot of money to enter USA by hook or crook.

For the entire long paragraph written in the first post of this thread below video will answer all its questions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w49szONqZs
 
lol I can only laugh at the title...

now coming back to topic , in india entering USA is considered a 'status symbol' ! If an unmarried groom works any job in USA back home his parents can take lots of money in dowry at his marriage ! So being a status symbol people invest lot of money to enter USA by hook or crook.

For the entire long paragraph written in the first post of this thread below video will answer all its questions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w49szONqZs

So there is no economic issue or persecution which is forcing Indians to make this perilous life threatening journey and they are just doing it for good rishta? :)))

The status symbol is for people doing techie jobs and the like and making decent money. Not illegals living on below minimum wage and working at gas stations

Man Indians are masters at putting heir head in the sand
 
"Fleeing BJP and entering USA" :))

Guardian says that and is based on interviews of these people themselves.

Considering the numbers the indian economy has been putting up recently it’s really not hard to believe tbh
 
Still there are many safe places, he should have considered moving into any of those.

They went for dollars and the fake honour that the Indian society gives when you are an NRI. All these "escaping persecution" and "fleeing evil Modi" is an absolute hogwash and just an excuse for being an illegal immigrant.
 
If the editor had given this writer a bit more freedom, he would have called India the new Syria :cobra
 
So will Donald Trump not take any action for so called 'record number' of Indians entering USA illegally? He was very prompt in proposing a wall for Mexicans or banning entry from 7 muslim countries. Not sure why he is quiet and keeping his eye shut even though 'record number' of Indians entering illegally. Not only that, he is organizing events like 'Howdy Modi' and walking hand in hand with the PM of the country whose citizens are entering USA illegally and that too in 'record number'. :)

Dont just go by NY Times, BBC or Gurdian...please have a look at the author ans one would get a clue. NRIs must understand that writing article sitting outside India will make zero difference to general public. Fate of Narendra Modi and BJP will be decided by 1.5 billion Indians residing in India and not some expats sitting somewhere else on globe. They tried the same tactics last year before general election as well and fall spectacularly. And they will fall again in future too.
 
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So will Donald Trump not take any action for so called 'record number' of Indians entering USA illegally? He was very prompt in proposing a wall for Mexicans or banning entry from 7 muslim countries. Not sure why he is quiet and keeping his eye shut even though 'record number' of Indians entering illegally. Not only that, he is organizing events like 'Howdy Modi' and walking hand in hand with the PM of the country whose citizens are entering USA illegally and that too in 'record number'. :)

Dont just go by NY Times, BBC or Gurdian...please have a look at the author ans one would get a clue. NRIs must understand that writing article sitting outside India will make zero difference to general public. Fate of Narendra Modi and BJP will be decided by 1.5 billion Indians residing in India and not some expats sitting somewhere else on globe. They tried the same tactics last year before general election as well and fall spectacularly. And they will fall again in future too.

Are you saying that the writer made up the data provided in the article? Or that the numbers being provided by the US immigration authorities are false?

Besides most of these illegal Indians are coming from Mexico so the proposed wall would keep these Indians along with the Mexicans. (The merits of such a walk is another debate)
 
Are you saying that the writer made up the data provided in the article? Or that the numbers being provided by the US immigration authorities are false?

Besides most of these illegal Indians are coming from Mexico so the proposed wall would keep these Indians along with the Mexicans. (The merits of such a walk is another debate)

:))

So US immigration authorities confirmed that all those people entering illegally to flee BJP? And wonder why Trump is not explicitly taking India's name if record numbers are entering illegally?

You can believe the article all you want but its very clear the author is trying to potray Indian political system is somehow similar to Syria. Agenda is clear as spring water.
 
Could have lived in Mexico or any other country but chose to go to USA. Some cases might be genuine cases of persecution, others might use persecution as an excuse to try and get Asylum in developed countries.

Having said the above, ideally it should be topic of grave concern to any government that it's citizens want to leave the country, however, we have accepted the migration even for "skilled workers".
 
That is true, but you didn't answer. Are you against globalization as your post suggests you don't like free movement of labour?

You are funny guy, I know your trolling pattern, really not interested to get in such discussions with you :) Try someone else.
 
Wait, so India is a booming economic paradise but Indians are fleeing India? Something isnt right.

My money is on the fake global image of India, revealing to be nothing but propaganda.

You have to laugh at the twisting and turning of Indian patriots on the web. On the one hand they are telling us that Incredible India will be seeing an influx of western immigrants to do menial jobs by 2030, on the other they are now saying that these are economic refugees, not minorities being driven out by their fanatical Hindutva govt.

Come on guys, pick a side.
 
You have to laugh at the twisting and turning of Indian patriots on the web. On the one hand they are telling us that Incredible India will be seeing an influx of western immigrants to do menial jobs by 2030, on the other they are now saying that these are economic refugees, not minorities being driven out by their fanatical Hindutva govt.

Come on guys, pick a side.

Are you expecting the whole Indian population to have one opinion ?
 
Yes but many of them don’t think India is an economic powerhouse..

Many of them don't think their govt is about Hindu power either, but their ministers keep releasing statements which would suggest otherwise.
 
Hijrat (to migrate) is Sunnat (practiced by Prophet PBUH).

They are doing the the right thing. Would anyone want their descendants to live in a place like India? And I mean no disrespect by that, actually same thing applies to (some parts of) Pakistan.

There are videos of BJP's goons beating Hindus who are in disagreement with them.
 
You have to laugh at the twisting and turning of Indian patriots on the web. On the one hand they are telling us that Incredible India will be seeing an influx of western immigrants to do menial jobs by 2030, on the other they are now saying that these are economic refugees, not minorities being driven out by their fanatical Hindutva govt.

Come on guys, pick a side.

Economic refugees out of 1.3 BILLION with a mission to Mars? World's 'fastest' growing economy? Where is the money in India?

The false image of India is being exposed for what it is, a fraud.

Reality is settling in for Indians. GDP is a myth (and lies). GDP/Capita is a myth. Then you have the added catalyst of caste system. Hindu nationalism aside, if you're born a dalit then you're toast from a pro Hindu government too. No wonder these people want to flee in their droves.
 
I wonder why all these Indians are escaping "shining India"?? You go to India and wonder where all the wealth is when wondering about. Now Modi will wonder what he is doing wrong or blame the ISI or Pak for this as always. It is natural for non-Brahmans wanting to leave India. Just a matter of time before Trump throws these illegals out as well.
 
Election rivalry means immigration to USA :)))

Hope USA deports this economic immigrant right back to where he belongs.

Desperate people looking for any sort of excuse to run to west. Hope West is smart enough to see through this.
 
I wonder why all these Indians are escaping "shining India"?? You go to India and wonder where all the wealth is when wondering about. Now Modi will wonder what he is doing wrong or blame the ISI or Pak for this as always. It is natural for non-Brahmans wanting to leave India. Just a matter of time before Trump throws these illegals out as well.

Wealth is concentrated among few thousands while the rest of the population stays the same and lives through the overcrowded polluted cities.

India does not pay monthly money to people who cannot work or do not work. These people are on the streets living miserable lives. No social security.

What has Brahmans got to do with this illegal immigration to USA? :facepalm:
 
Wealth is concentrated among few thousands while the rest of the population stays the same and lives through the overcrowded polluted cities.

India does not pay monthly money to people who cannot work or do not work. These people are on the streets living miserable lives. No social security.

What has Brahmans got to do with this illegal immigration to USA? :facepalm:

Brahman's rule India. They are the ones forcing their ways on others killing Muslim's in Kashmir and treating fellow non Brahman Hindu's like filth. Correction, wealth is controlled by the Brahman's who those who agree with them.
 
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