Why do Muslims not fear death?

[Local.Dada]

Muslim resistance in Kashmir, Afghanistan, Palestine, Pakistan(against India), Chechnya are some of the recent examples.

Which has done nothing but produce a lot of foot soldiers who can’t think beyond religion. I don’t see them as brave people to be honest.

May be the once who genuinely take up arms to protect attack on their families but not some guy who attacks innocent bystanders to obtain goodies after death.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Which has done nothing but produce a lot of foot soldiers who can’t think beyond religion. I don’t see them as brave people to be honest.

May be the once who genuinely take up arms to protect attack on their families but not some guy who attacks innocent bystanders to obtain goodies after death.

Agreed, but for that matter, the average Muslim trader in India is braver than the Hindu mobs who need police collaberation to raise lynch mobs against minorities in their own country.

 

[Greenstorm]

Agreed, but for that matter, the average Muslim trader in India is braver than the Hindu mobs who need police collaberation to raise lynch mobs against minorities in their own country.

He maybe braver than his Hindu counterpart but he ranks quite low when compared to Muslims in other parts of the world. Being 200 million strong and still being persecuted like nobodies, is shameful.

 

[rockyboy2018]

Altaf Hussain says Hey! One call from London and the whole city gets shut down in Pakistan. It amazes me to no end how a few bunch of white people had overuled the whole Indian subcontineent for over a century.Just myth nothing else.

 

[Greenstorm]

The whole purpose of Islam is to liberate individual from all sorts of fears. It facilitates him to undertake a journey of self knowledge leading to self emancipation. A true Muslim (Insan-e-kamil) assumes responsibility, shows courage, sides with truth. His ultimate goal is to attain vicegerency of God on Earth by inculcating in his self a certain character.

Soul of a true Muslim is eternal, death for him is only a momentary physical experience. It is for this reason that early Muslims, inspired and transformed by the Prophet himself achieved immense success and founded great civilizations. The situation of modern Muslim on the contrary is quite the opposite. He has forgotten his potential, his transcendental self and as a result being humiliated across the globe. He fears death as much as anyone else.

 

[Mesozoic]

Muslim resistance in Kashmir, Afghanistan, Palestine, Pakistan(against India), Chechnya are some of the recent examples.

Well you can say that about every religion somewhere or sometime like Hindu and Sikh resistance against Islamic invaders and against Pakistan in all the major wars, Buddhist resistance (Japan) against the allies in ww2 etc etc...

 

[Greenstorm]

Well you can say that about every religion somewhere or sometime like Hindu and Sikh resistance against Islamic invaders and against Pakistan in all the major wars, Buddhist resistance (Japan) against the allies in ww2 etc etc...

Yes, every region has its share of courageous people but Hindus of subcontinent as a whole cannot be sited as an example. Despite being an overwhelming majority, they chose to remain under foreign subjugation for many centuries, let alone ruling foreign lands. And it is interesting that you are siting India's (a country many times larger than Pakistan) wars against Pakistan as a sort of resistance.
Perhaps, this sense of past humiliation is what fuels modern day Hindutva ideology.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

What's wrong with believing that there is only one life? Since there is no divine meaning to life, whatever I do, at the end of time, does not matter.

Some people need to believe in something/someone in order to live hence why I do not speak much about atheism unless provoked.

As far as your fact-checking goes, I live in a devoted muslim family where nothing is above Islam and they do not hold the belief that every muslim goes to heaven instantly (one does time in hell based on actions in life).

If muslims were not fearful of death, then why would muslims seek medical help to lengthen their lives rather than quickly go to a magical land where everything they could ever want exists? If I believed in this magical land, I would want and be happy to have my family die as quickly as possible to live happily ever after. Instead, I think it is bogus and would like them to be around.

Because there are stories of great Muslims who left behind a great legacy in this world and we want to follow their example
They didn't fear death which made them such brave global trotters whose name still commands respect in the 21st centuries

 

[Syed1]

Muslims believe that this life is the amanat of Allah and we have been decreed to protect it (that's why suicide is Haram). So not protecting your life is itself going against the teaching of Islam.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Well you can say that about every religion somewhere or sometime like Hindu and Sikh resistance against Islamic invaders and against Pakistan in all the major wars, Buddhist resistance (Japan) against the allies in ww2 etc etc...

Sikh resistance ok i can agree with that

but Hindu resistance? no offence but there's no such thing.

Also how are you using the wars against Pakistan as an example?
it should be the other way around.

Pakistani soldiers feared death less as they fought against an opposition who was 6 times bigger and had much more military equipment and times this by 10 coz of what happened in the 1971. Pakistani soldiers were outnumbered heavily then and due to the geographical situation, it was a lot worse than the 1965 war

 

[Mamoon]

Sikh resistance ok i can agree with that

but Hindu resistance? no offence but there's no such thing.

Also how are you using the wars against Pakistan as an example?
it should be the other way around.

Pakistani soldiers feared death less as they fought against an opposition who was 6 times bigger and had much more military equipment and times this by 10 coz of what happened in the 1971. Pakistani soldiers were outnumbered heavily then and due to the geographical situation, it was a lot worse than the 1965 war

So are you saying that if Pakistan fights a war today, the non-Muslim contingent in the Pakistani army would be less likely to sacrifice their lives to defend the honor of their country?

 

[Mamoon]

Because there are stories of great Muslims who left behind a great legacy in this world and we want to follow their example
They didn't fear death which made them such brave global trotters whose name still commands respect in the 21st centuries

What about the stories of great non-Muslims who left a great legacy in this world and whose name still commands respect today?

 

[Mamoon]

No I am not suggesting that, might be the non-Muslim soldiers would be prepared to sacrifice their lives despite the fear. In fact you could say that is an even greater mark of courage.

Can you provide the evidence for your assertion that non-Muslim soldiers in the Pakistani military are more fearful of death compared to their Muslim counterparts?

 

[Mamoon]

Did the Japanese Kamikaze pilots in WWII fear death?

Deliberately crashing your fighter jets on enemy targets. Is there a greater exhibition of a complete lack of fear?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Can you provide the evidence for your assertion that non-Muslim soldiers in the Pakistani military are more fearful of death compared to their Muslim counterparts?

You should probably have bolded the "might be" part of that quote instead, would have saved you from asking a pointless question.

 

[Mamoon]

You should probably have bolded the "might be" part of that quote instead, would have saved you from asking a pointless question.

Perhaps you should re-read what you wrote instead of calling my question pointless.

“might be the non-Muslim soldiers would be prepared to sacrifice their lives despite the fear.”

The “might be” here implies that you are unsure if they would sacrifice their lives or not.

However, you clearly sound sure that they fear death more.

So again - where is the evidence?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Perhaps you should re-read what you wrote instead of calling my question pointless.

“might be the non-Muslim soldiers would be prepared to sacrifice their lives despite the fear.”

The “might be” here implies that you are unsure if they would sacrifice their lives or not.

However, you clearly sound sure that they fear death more.

So again - where is the evidence?

You want me to give evidence of what someone might be feeling?

 

[Mesozoic]

Yes, every region has its share of courageous people but Hindus of subcontinent as a whole cannot be sited as an example. Despite being an overwhelming majority, they chose to remain under foreign subjugation for many centuries, let alone ruling foreign lands. And it is interesting that you are siting India's (a country many times larger than Pakistan) wars against Pakistan as a sort of resistance.
Perhaps, this sense of past humiliation is what fuels modern day Hindutva ideology.

Well Muslims of subcontinent can't be sited as an example either for resistance. Most of them wouldn't be following Islam today if they had shown resistance to the foreign invaders. So, let's not go down that road again.

And yes , I can cite wars against Pakistan as an example because every major war was initiated by them. Just like how someone on this thread cited Afghan Muslims as an example of resistance even though they were outnumbering Soviet and American soldiers in much much larger numbers, we too can easily cite indian resistance as an example. I mean, you can't have it both ways.

 

[Nadeemp]

Nationalism and Religion ( any religion), can pump people up/brainwash and for a short period make them feel invincible or not fear death. Examples of this are in almost all cultures. Nothing specific to islam.

 

[Mesozoic]

Sikh resistance ok i can agree with that

but Hindu resistance? no offence but there's no such thing.

Also how are you using the wars against Pakistan as an example?
it should be the other way around.

Pakistani soldiers feared death less as they fought against an opposition who was 6 times bigger and had much more military equipment and times this by 10 coz of what happened in the 1971. Pakistani soldiers were outnumbered heavily then and due to the geographical situation, it was a lot worse than the 1965 war

Yes. There is such a thing called Hindu resistance. Read up about the Marathas, Rajputs and the Vijayanagara empire.

It doesn't mean you don't fear death if you're outnumbered. The Soviets are hailed to this day for their resistance against the Germans even though they had like four or five times the bigger force than the Germans. The Japanese didn't fear death and went kamikaze even when they outnumbered the American soldiers in the pacific theatre. There are numerous examples but you get the point.

 

[Mamoon]

You want me to give evidence of what someone might be feeling?

Well someone should choose his words more carefully then...

 

[Greenstorm]

Well Muslims of subcontinent can't be sited as an example either for resistance. Most of them wouldn't be following Islam today if they had shown resistance to the foreign invaders. So, let's not go down that road again.

And yes , I can cite wars against Pakistan as an example because every major war was initiated by them. Just like how someone on this thread cited Afghan Muslims as an example of resistance even though they were outnumbering Soviet and American soldiers in much much larger numbers, we too can easily cite indian resistance as an example. I mean, you can't have it both ways.

Actually, you are right that subcontinental Muslims cannot be cited as example of resistance because many among them are decedents of invaders themselves. Others converted due to efforts of missionaries and saints (hence why they are so revered in this region centuries after their death). There is no question of resistance when your heart sees the light.

Wars were fought due to a disputed territory known as Kashmir. Today, Pakistan controls half of it despite being many times smaller than India. If you consider that as some sort of achievement for India than I cannot say much further.
Afghan Muslims are hailed because villagers and tribesmen with vastly inferior weapons and training managed to defeat two of the most advanced military forces that world has ever seen. Pak-Indo wars had no such dynamic so your analogy holds no merit.

 

[Mesozoic]

Actually, you are right that subcontinental Muslims cannot be cited as example of resistance because many among them are decedents of invaders themselves. Others converted due to efforts of missionaries and saints (hence why they are so revered in this region centuries after their death). There is no question of resistance when your heart sees the light.

Wars were fought due to a disputed territory known as Kashmir. Today, Pakistan controls half of it despite being many times smaller than India. If you consider that as some sort of achievement for India than I cannot say much further.
Afghan Muslims are hailed because villagers and tribesmen with vastly inferior weapons and training managed to defeat two of the most advanced military forces that world has ever seen. Pak-Indo wars had no such dynamic so your analogy holds no merit.

Well as I said I don't want to go deep into the first topic. It's a whole another discussion. We can argue all day but wouldn't be able to prove our stances. So, it'd be futile.

Yes wars were fought over Kashmir but Pakistan couldn't gain a single inch of the disputed land and lost half their country during the process. So, quite the rough deal to be honest.


You completely missed my point. I was just stressing on the "being outnumbered.. hence fearless" point that someone tried to make in regards to indo-pak wars on this thread. And I just cited the Afghan example of how one can outnumber the opposition and can still be fearless like the Afghans and vice versa. Hope you got it.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

What about the stories of great non-Muslims who left a great legacy in this world and whose name still commands respect today?

The only one I can think of is Richard the lionheart

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Well Muslims of subcontinent can't be sited as an example either for resistance. Most of them wouldn't be following Islam today if they had shown resistance to the foreign invaders. So, let's not go down that road again.

But they weren't Muslims then, they were Hindus, so really you are only proving his point. It was only after they became Muslims that they seemed to get conviction enough to fight for their beliefs.

As for your attempt to downplay Afghan mjuahideen resistance to superpower invasion, citing numbers, that is a pretty weak argument. You know fine well that one man with a hand grenade can overcome a dozen men carrying swords. This is like praising some fat kid sitting in Alabama for pressing a button to conduct a drone strike thousands of miles away.

 

[moghul]

Covid-19 does not discriminate on religious basis , if someone is not concerned about it, he /she has some mental issue and is a danger for others.

 

[Mesozoic]

But they weren't Muslims then, they were Hindus, so really you are only proving his point. It was only after they became Muslims that they seemed to get conviction enough to fight for their beliefs.

Good. Now talk me through a few instances where the subcontinental Muslims fought with "conviction" and shown fearless resistance against overwhelming odds like the Afghan Muslims.

All I remember is them oppressing their own kin, surrendering meekly to a largely non-Muslim force and losing half their land in the process

 

[Greenstorm]

Well as I said I don't want to go deep into the first topic. It's a whole another discussion. We can argue all day but wouldn't be able to prove our stances. So, it'd be futile.

Yes wars were fought over Kashmir but Pakistan couldn't gain a single inch of the disputed land and lost half their country during the process. So, quite the rough deal to be honest.


You completely missed my point. I was just stressing on the "being outnumbered.. hence fearless" point that someone tried to make in regards to indo-pak wars on this thread. And I just cited the Afghan example of how one can outnumber the opposition and can still be fearless like the Afghans and vice versa. Hope you got it.

As I said before, Pakistan controls almost half of Kashmir. India does not control the land which Pakistan lost in 71.

I did not make the assertion of 'being outnumbered...hence fearless' but it was you who cited Indo-Pak wars as an example of Indian resistance which makes no sense tbh.

 

[Mesozoic]

As I said before, Pakistan controls almost half of Kashmir. India does not control the land which Pakistan lost in 71.

I did not make the assertion of 'being outnumbered...hence fearless' but it was you who cited Indo-Pak wars as an example of Indian resistance which makes no sense tbh.

Doesn't matter if India controls the land or not, I was stressing more on the "losing half of the country" part which pretty much negates what you've said in your previous post.

Pakistan controls roughly 1/3rd of Kashmir. Not half of if or even close to half of it. And that too by defeating rag tag Dogra militias. India ended up gaining 2/3rds of the region. Pretty clear who came out on top.

 

[Greenstorm]

Doesn't matter if India controls the land or not, I was stressing more on the "losing half of the country" part which pretty much negates what you've said in your previous post.

Pakistan controls roughly 1/3rd of Kashmir. Not half of if or even close to half of it. And that too by defeating rag tag Dogra militias. India ended up gaining 2/3rds of the region. Pretty clear who came out on top.

Yes it matters a lot. Pakistan lost half of its land primarily because its own inhabitants(Muslims) wanted to separate and self govern. Hindus made the most out of a bad situation for Pakistan but that is about it.

Fact is that Pakistan, despite being many times smaller in size and resources, still controls territory which India considers its own. This fact alone must induce shameful realization in any self respecting Indian.

 

[Greenstorm]

Good. Now talk me through a few instances where the subcontinental Muslims fought with "conviction" and shown fearless resistance against overwhelming odds like the Afghan Muslims.

All I remember is them oppressing their own kin, surrendering meekly to a largely non-Muslim force and losing half their land in the process

Pakistanis fought side by side with Afghan mujaheddin, trained and equipped them for guerrilla warfare. It was the ISI who along with mujaheddin that defeated Soviets in Afghanistan.

Subcontinental Muslims managed to carve out a large piece of land from mother India against the wishes of majority Hindus thus shattering the dreams of Hindu domination of subcontinent after centuries of subservience to Muslims and then British.

Pakistan is a living example of conviction of subcontinental Muslims and is the only major opposition against Hindu domination (akhand bharat dream) in the region.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Pakistanis fought side by side with Afghan mujaheddin, trained and equipped them for guerrilla warfare. It was the ISI who along with mujaheddin that defeated Soviets in Afghanistan.

Subcontinental Muslims managed to carve out a large piece of land from mother India against the wishes of majority Hindus thus shattering the dreams of Hindu domination of subcontinent after centuries of subservience to Muslims and then British.

Pakistan is a living example of conviction of subcontinental Muslims and is the only major opposition against Hindu domination (akhand bharat dream) in the region.

The Muslims were in large numbers. Obviously they will carve out a large piece of land. Yet many chose to stay back in India and many other chose to part way from Pakistan. Pakistan today is a debt-ridden country, the President of which is pleading to richer countries to pardon the loans, where not long ago a foreign country was freely dropping bombs from drones. I don't know which shining example of conviction is Pakistan. Sorry for bursting the bubble, hate the desi false pride.

 

[BoredFromLifeXi]

I agree. They know that they are no use of in this world in productive way, so it maybe better in world after death as per their scriptures. This world is full of haram.

 

[Greenstorm]

The Muslims were in large numbers. Obviously they will carve out a large piece of land. Yet many chose to stay back in India and many other chose to part way from Pakistan. Pakistan today is a debt-ridden country, the President of which is pleading to richer countries to pardon the loans, where not long ago a foreign country was freely dropping bombs from drones. I don't know which shining example of conviction is Pakistan. Sorry for bursting the bubble, hate the desi false pride.

They were minority nevertheless. Those who chose to stay back are realization their mistake now.

These tough stages are part of a nation's journey. We were being bombed for a reason. Steadfastly sticking to an ideology comes with immense opposition. One must endure pain on its way to greatness. There was a time when we were among the fastest growing economy in the world and used to enjoy global respect. Prosperous and better times will come again inshAllah.
Enjoy busting imaginary bubbles while experiencing true pride in US.

 

[Greenstorm]

I agree. They know that they are no use of in this world in productive way, so it maybe better in world after death as per their scriptures. This world is full of haram.

Wait what ? Care to elaborate ?

 

[Mesozoic]

Pakistanis fought side by side with Afghan mujaheddin, trained and equipped them for guerrilla warfare. It was the ISI who along with mujaheddin that defeated Soviets in Afghanistan.

Subcontinental Muslims managed to carve out a large piece of land from mother India against the wishes of majority Hindus thus shattering the dreams of Hindu domination of subcontinent after centuries of subservience to Muslims and then British.

Pakistan is a living example of conviction of subcontinental Muslims and is the only major opposition against Hindu domination (akhand bharat dream) in the region.

The British divided the Subcontinent on religious grounds by passing a bill in the British Pariament. I don't see where you derived the conviction part out of it.

Hate to break it to you but Pakistan is in no position to oppose any kind of Indian dominaiton in the region. I'd leave it at that.

 

[Mesozoic]

Yes it matters a lot. Pakistan lost half of its land primarily because its own inhabitants(Muslims) wanted to separate and self govern. Hindus made the most out of a bad situation for Pakistan but that is about it.

Fact is that Pakistan, despite being many times smaller in size and resources, still controls territory which India considers its own. This fact alone must induce shameful realization in any self respecting Indian.

Well you can give whatever reasons to make yourselves feel better but the reality ain't going to change.

Hmm not realy. It's called respecting the peace deals and the ceasefire agreements. Lol at shameful realization. It's not like we lost half of our country in a war by surrendering meekly.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Don't muslims form the largest number of refugees across the world amongst all major religious groups - Syrian + Afghans + rohingyas etc . Why flee when they face death with such courage?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Don't muslims form the largest number of refugees across the world amongst all major religious groups - Syrian + Afghans + rohingyas etc . Why flee when they face death with such courage?

I think even in the Quran there may be verses which say something about only a very small percentage of Muslims are actually true believers, the rest are just part timers.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Good. Now talk me through a few instances where the subcontinental Muslims fought with "conviction" and shown fearless resistance against overwhelming odds like the Afghan Muslims.

All I remember is them oppressing their own kin, surrendering meekly to a largely non-Muslim force and losing half their land in the process

If you are talking about Bangladesh, then there was no will for that war anyway, because both East Pakistan and West Pakistan valued culture above religion. Pakistan had no hope of winning a war where the whole of India was between East and West Pakistan, and the population in BD had given up on the idea of Pakistan.

But you already know this, for Indian patriots the 1971 war will always be their crowning joy. But if you really want to prove your mettle you would take Kashmir or Punjab by force, those are lands which both India and Pakistan share borders, but even with overwhelming military and economic might, India would never dare to step foot over either border. You did earlier this year and got chased out in humiliation by Pak fighter jets after strafing a few trees.

 

[Mesozoic]

But if you really want to prove your mettle you would take Kashmir or Punjab by force, those are lands which both India and Pakistan share borders, but even with overwhelming military and economic might, India would never dare to step foot over either border. You did earlier this year and got chased out in humiliation by Pak fighter jets after strafing a few trees.

Why on earth would we even try to take Punjab?

And regarding Kashmir, there are peace deals , UN ceasefire agreements and all that we like to respect so....

 

[Thomaskutty]

One account in particular where the British commander recalled an Afghan in flip flops facing off against a Soviet helicopter with an AK47, standing in the open firing away until he got vapourised.

Was it his muslim-ness that made him do such a thing? Anyone feeling a strong sense of injustice could potentially engage in that. I can just as easily visualise a Viet Cong rebel doing that against a US army copter during the Vietnam War in the 1960s, which the yanks eventually lost.

Another question I would ask is .. do you think the the hijackers were courageous for flying a plane into a tower? This is what Bill Maher said on his ABC show a week right after 9/11, called them warriors and his show got cancelled.

 

[Mesozoic]

But if you really want to prove your mettle you would take Kashmir or Punjab by force, those are lands which both India and Pakistan share borders, but even with overwhelming military and economic might, India would never dare to step foot over either border.

We don't need to prove our mettle to anyone cap. We accept us for what we are and what we are are ordinary men who value life and fear death. So, it's actually you and several others here who were claiming that SC Muslims don't fear death and all that need to "prove mettle".

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Was it his muslim-ness that made him do such a thing? Anyone feeling a strong sense of injustice could potentially engage in that. I can just as easily visualise a Viet Cong rebel doing that against a US army copter during the Vietnam War in the 1960s, which the yanks eventually lost.

Another question I would ask is .. do you think the the hijackers were courageous for flying a plane into a tower? This is what Bill Maher said on his ABC show a week right after 9/11, called them warriors and his show got cancelled.

Really he called them courageous? I would call it deluded, but I guess I can see why Maher might think that. If we are talking about very specific Muslims who are terrorists, then we can perhaps compare them to very specific non-Muslims such as Hindu lynch mobs that terrorise minorities because they only feel courageous when they outnumber them significantly and have police backing just in case. Which one would you call courageous if compared in this way?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

We don't need to prove our mettle to anyone cap. We accept us for what we are and what we are are ordinary men who value life and fear death. So, it's actually you and several others here who were claiming that SC Muslims don't fear death and all that need to "prove mettle".

I did not actually make that claim, but if you think I did then by all means provide a quote. So all that mumbo jumbo you typed was a waste of time since it was built around a false attribute.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Was it his muslim-ness that made him do such a thing? Anyone feeling a strong sense of injustice could potentially engage in that. I can just as easily visualise a Viet Cong rebel doing that against a US army copter during the Vietnam War in the 1960s, which the yanks eventually lost.

Another question I would ask is .. do you think the the hijackers were courageous for flying a plane into a tower? This is what Bill Maher said on his ABC show a week right after 9/11, called them warriors and his show got cancelled.

As courageous as Timothy mcveigh or anyone else who went to the Boston tea party

 

[Nadeemp]

As courageous as Timothy mcveigh or anyone else who went to the Boston tea party

We are still debating this. Nationalism and especially religion can get people all riled up and do things which they normally would not dare. Islam or any other religion does not have a monopoly on this phenomenon . Too many examples to list.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Don't muslims form the largest number of refugees across the world amongst all major religious groups - Syrian + Afghans + rohingyas etc . Why flee when they face death with such courage?

Some are just men who are cowards while most are men who have a family who they want to keep safe.

 

[Nadeemp]

Some are just men who are cowards while most are men who have a family who they want to keep safe.

Could this not apply to any other group that you think is " fearing death"

 

[Thomaskutty]

As courageous as Timothy mcveigh or anyone else who went to the Boston tea party

Were both of these events examples of christian extremism ?

 

[Ronaldo7]

Could this not apply to any other group that you think is " fearing death"

I don’t understand what you’re trying to play at

 

[Thomaskutty]

Really he called them courageous? I would call it deluded, but I guess I can see why Maher might think that.

Delusion yes but it was religion inspired delusion. If you want attribute bravery and courage to someone's faith like when you mention Afghan mujahideen, then same goes for evil in name of religion.

If we are talking about very specific Muslims who are terrorists, then we can perhaps compare them to very specific non-Muslims such as Hindu lynch mobs that terrorise minorities because they only feel courageous when they outnumber them significantly and have police backing just in case. Which one would you call courageous if compared in this way?

Both can be called cowardly, if that was what happened.

 

[Greenstorm]

Well you can give whatever reasons to make yourselves feel better but the reality ain't going to change.

Hmm not realy. It's called respecting the peace deals and the ceasefire agreements. Lol at shameful realization. It's not like we lost half of our country in a war by surrendering meekly.

Ah yes, the peace deals. India violated them even this week on LOC. You are going round in circles. You mentioned Indo-Pak wars as an example of Indian resistance then tried to justify it via weird analogy with Afghans. What is your point to begin with ?

Thread is about Muslims but insecure Indians feel obliged to come up with, 'but but marathas fought bravely, Japanese were brave'. This insecurity is perhaps the reason why Indian media constantly harps on about Pakistan and Indian leaders get elected on slogans against Pakistan.
I won't blame them entirely, centuries of subjugation can induce insecurity.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Delusion yes but it was religion inspired delusion. If you want attribute bravery and courage to someone's faith like when you mention Afghan mujahideen, then same goes for evil in name of religion.




Both can be called cowardly, if that was what happened.

Yes but the example you chose was of a tiny group of individuals, and you are going to get extremist groups everywhere. The counter example was of a whole community that voted in a religious govt and made a notorious MP who made his name on the back of religious riots, Prime Minister.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Well you can give whatever reasons to make yourselves feel better but the reality ain't going to change.

Hmm not realy. It's called respecting the peace deals and the ceasefire agreements. Lol at shameful realization. It's not like we lost half of our country in a war by surrendering meekly.

Don’t you ever wonder why Bangladeshis like Pakistan more than India even though you “helped” them get their own country?

It’s because they know you just hit Pakistan when we were already down. You did it for your own benefit and not for the Bangladeshis as shown by how you’re treating the Bangladeshi refugees.

It’s kinda amusing to see how proud you feel of beating a country 6 times smaller than you, a country who was fighting a war thousands of miles away from its main base. What makes it even more amusing is that the war happened nearly FIFTY years ago. WW2 happened closer to that war than the war is to us now.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Were both of these events examples of christian extremism ?

Examples of American civil war if nothing else, trump seems to have quitened down the likes of Sarah Palin
Religion is probably divided on Martin Luther lines if nothing else and that would probably be based on Christian sects rather than against secular establishments although you could argue liberal America is enough to have radicalised pan islamism and internal American agents especially in the city of Boston