Why do Pakistanis show such strong solidarity with Palestine?

[modern guitarist]

I am a little mystified. I grew up in the middle east. I remember being called horrible racial slurs at a young age. I faced racism from both the Arab kids and the European ones. But i would say the comments from the Arab kids were particularly nasty.

My parents were upper middle class and both had excellent well paid jobs. But i saw first hand, the Pakistani labourers who were brought to the middle east under false pretenses, promised higher salaries than they were given, actually had their passports confiscated and effectively banned from travelling.

Now granted this was in Qatar. But i have seen similar racist attitudes towards Pakistani's throughout the Arab world.

When i see UK Pakistani's protesting for Gaza in London, its mystifying. These people are turning the native British population against the UK Pakistani demographic by disrupting the lives of ordinary Brits. The same native Brits that gave you citizenship, the right to marry British women if you so choose (go ahead and try to marry into an Arab family and see how well it goes), the right to run for office. You have zero such rights in virtually any Arab country.

I truly find this to be perplexing. Yes, its sad that innocent Palestinians are being killed but your protests in UK, Canada etc. will do nothing to stop this and not only that, you are turning the native populations of these countries against you.

There is no united Ummah as much as you may believe. You have virtually no rights in Arab countries despite sharing a religion and you have all the rights in Western secular countries. And yet the behaviour of Pakistani diaspora in these countries is turning the Native populations against you.

 

[Bhaijaan]

One thing about Pakistanis and is a very commendable thing is that they have always cared about Ummat and as a result they achieved a leadership position in the Islamic ummah. The only instance when they ignored the grievances of them is in case of China which is understandable given China remains by far their one true friend through thick and thin. It’s just like how Bharatiyas had to ignore the plight of Filistini and Ukrainian brothers because of our bestie level relationship with Israel and Russia.

This is something that Pakistanis must be proud of. This makes them better.


However please do so within the laws. Especially if you live in Europe, you must honour that country’s law and order. You must not cut the very hands that fed you. What is happening in Europe through Islamists is something that must be condemned at all cost.

 

[RidiculousMan]

I am a little mystified. I grew up in the middle east. I remember being called horrible racial slurs at a young age. I faced racism from both the Arab kids and the European ones. But i would say the comments from the Arab kids were particularly nasty.

My parents were upper middle class and both had excellent well paid jobs. But i saw first hand, the Pakistani labourers who were brought to the middle east under false pretenses, promised higher salaries than they were given, actually had their passports confiscated and effectively banned from travelling.

Now granted this was in Qatar. But i have seen similar racist attitudes towards Pakistani's throughout the Arab world.

When i see UK Pakistani's protesting for Gaza in London, its mystifying. These people are turning the native British population against the UK Pakistani demographic by disrupting the lives of ordinary Brits. The same native Brits that gave you citizenship, the right to marry British women if you so choose (go ahead and try to marry into an Arab family and see how well it goes), the right to run for office. You have zero such rights in virtually any Arab country.

I truly find this to be perplexing. Yes, its sad that innocent Palestinians are being killed but your protests in UK, Canada etc. will do nothing to stop this and not only that, you are turning the native populations of these countries against you.

There is no united Ummah as much as you may believe. You have virtually no rights in Arab countries despite sharing a religion and you have all the rights in Western secular countries. And yet the behaviour of Pakistani diaspora in these countries is turning the Native populations against you.

Majority Pakistanis are Muslims and they care about Muslim lives because one of the key components of Islam is Muslim brotherhood.

There are kids dying in this conflict. They are mostly Muslims. Heck if they were not even I would be supporting them kids of any region. Not just Palestine.

 

[modern guitarist]

Majority Pakistanis are Muslims and they care about Muslim lives because one of the key components of Islam is Muslim brotherhood.

There are kids dying in this conflict. They are mostly Muslims. Heck if they were not even I would be supporting them kids of any region. Not just Palestine.

But brotherhood is meant to be reciprocal. I have spent many years living in the Middle East and there is no Ummah or brotherhood.

Yes, its horrific that children are dying but none of this would have happened if Hamas didn't decide to massacre children in a music festival. Protesting in London and disrupting the lives of ordinary Brits isn't going to make an iota of difference. All it does is turn the local populations of these countries against your diaspora.

Like it or not, the UK, US, Canada, Australia, despite all being secular countries give you citizenship and equal legal rights. There is no citizenship nor any equal rights in any middle eastern country despite the alleged "brotherhood".

 

[KingKhanWC]

OP sounds like another subservient of his/her new nation & using personal experiences to forge this view.

Most Brits from all backgrounds support freedom for Palestine.

 

[modern guitarist]

OP sounds like another subservient of his/her new nation & using personal experiences to forge this view.

Most Brits from all backgrounds support freedom for Palestine.

The only subservient people are Pakistani's who worship Arabs and falsely think they are part of some brotherhood. They are not.

 

[Itachi]

Majority Pakistanis are Muslims and they care about Muslim lives because one of the key components of Islam is Muslim brotherhood.

There are kids dying in this conflict. They are mostly Muslims. Heck if they were not even I would be supporting them kids of any region. Not just Palestine.

Pakistanis care about Muslims when there is an agenda involved.

Make it China vs Muslim. It'll be China which will trump religion.

It depends what are at stakes.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The only subservient people are Pakistani's who worship Arabs and falsely think they are part of some brotherhood. They are not.

Standing up & speaking out against a genocide , apartheid & children murdered is part of every Muslims faith. It’s what most humans do naturally.

If Arabs abused you or assaulted you , you should have defended yourself to their face . Why come crying on here now & attacking others esp Palestinians who are suffering .

 

[modern guitarist]

Standing up & speaking out against a genocide , apartheid & children murdered is part of every Muslims faith. It’s what most humans do naturally.

If Arabs abused you or assaulted you , you should have defended yourself to their face . Why come crying on here now & attacking others esp Palestinians who are suffering .

And telling the Palestinians not to start conflicts they can win is common sense and what humans should do naturally. It is entirely the fault of people who started butchering people at a music festival. There would be no killing without that.

I did stand up for myself btw. That isn't the point. I couldn't stand up for the poor Pakistani's and Bangladeshi labourers who had their passports confiscated and were forced to work for low salaries in desert heat. Maybe you should use your faith to stand up for the abuse of South Asian Muslims in the Arab world instead of being obsessed with one never ending conflict for which there is no solution.

 

[shaz619]

A lot of Arabs are racist vermin and there are some Pakistani’s with an inferior complex who blindly worship them, but there are others who are happy to show them what the situation is. But what you need to understand is this topic is completely irrelevant now because you should speak out against any genocide and Palestine is a place of great significance for all Muslims and once upon a time we faced Masjid Al Aqsa during prayer.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

But brotherhood is meant to be reciprocal. I have spent many years living in the Middle East and there is no Ummah or brotherhood.

Yes, its horrific that children are dying but none of this would have happened if Hamas didn't decide to massacre children in a music festival. Protesting in London and disrupting the lives of ordinary Brits isn't going to make an iota of difference. All it does is turn the local populations of these countries against your diaspora.

Like it or not, the UK, US, Canada, Australia, despite all being secular countries give you citizenship and equal legal rights. There is no citizenship nor any equal rights in any middle eastern country despite the alleged "brotherhood".

you were doing well until 7th October which eched in the heads of the ignorent. When knowing, innocent Palastanians have been tortured for DECADES

 

[modern guitarist]

A lot of Arabs are racist vermin and there are some Pakistani’s with an inferior complex who blindly worship them, but there are others who are happy to show them what the situation is. But what you need to understand is this topic is completely irrelevant now because you should speak out against any genocide and Palestine is a place of great significance for all Muslims and once upon a time we faced Masjid Al Aqsa during prayer.

But disrupting the streets of London will not do anything to help the Palestinians. It only turns Brits against Pakistanis. You can speak out on TV and online. But the intimidation of British parliament is ridiculous.

The Israeli Palestinian conflict will never end. Even if Palestine were given a state, it will not change Hamas from trying to wipe out Israel. This conflict is a never ending one. A nuclear armed state isn't going anywhere. Full stop.

 

[KingKhanWC]

And telling the Palestinians not to start conflicts they can win is common sense and what humans should do naturally. It is entirely the fault of people who started butchering people at a music festival. There would be no killing without that.

I did stand up for myself btw. That isn't the point. I couldn't stand up for the poor Pakistani's and Bangladeshi labourers who had their passports confiscated and were forced to work for low salaries in desert heat. Maybe you should use your faith to stand up for the abuse of South Asian Muslims in the Arab world instead of being obsessed with one never ending conflict for which there is no solution.

It seems some arabs abused you & you didn’t stand up for yourself as clearly triggered enough to hate Arabs inc the Palestinians & now defending the genocide like a far right pro israeli .

Again , most Brits from all backgrounds support the right of freedom for Palestinians. Do some basic research & educate yourself. Once you accept this you may want to move to Gujrat India .

If you were beat up or assaulted in uae , should have reported it , there is no crime rate there as we have in the uk .

 

[modern guitarist]

you were doing well until 7th October which eched in the heads of the ignorent. When knowing, innocent Palastanians have been tortured for DECADES

The specific bombings that have happened recently by Israel would not have happened without October 7th. Again, what were they thinking? That going to a music concert and killing children was going to weaken Israel somehow? And that they wouldn't respond?

 

[shaz619]

But disrupting the streets of London will not do anything to help the Palestinians. It only turns Brits against Pakistanis. You can speak out on TV and online. But the intimidation of British parliament is ridiculous.

The Israeli Palestinian conflict will never end. Even if Palestine were given a state, it will not change Hamas from trying to wipe out Israel. This conflict is a never ending one. A nuclear armed state isn't going anywhere. Full stop.

We should be silent and cry about people protesting genocide online instead

 

[modern guitarist]

What are you doing here in the UK ? It seems some arabs abused you & you didn’t stand up for yourself as clearly triggered enough to hate Arabs inc the Palestinians & now defending the genocide like a far right pro israeli.

Again , most Brits from all backgrounds support the right of freedom for Palestinians. Do some basic research & educate yourself. Once you accept this you may want to move to Gujrat India .

If you were beat up or assaulted in uae , should have reported it , there is no crime rate there as we have in the uk .

I was not beaten up. Jesus. You are ignoring the points i made. You have rights in the UK. You have no rights in the Middle east. Reporting the confiscation of passports of South Asian labourers doesn't accomplish anything since they are doing that with full Government approval.

Most Brits do not want their streets to be disrupted by these useless and absurd protests.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The specific bombings that have happened recently by Israel would not have happened without October 7th. Again, what were they thinking? That going to a music concert and killing children was going to weaken Israel somehow? And that they wouldn't respond?

Most Israelis were killed by Israeli forces , as admitted, it’s called the Hannibal doctrine. There have been bigger massacres of Palestinians by pro israelis in 5 hours .

 

[modern guitarist]

Most Israelis were killed by Israeli forces , as admitted, it’s called the Hannibal doctrine. There have been bigger massacres of Palestinians by pro israelis in 5 hours .

oh my goodness. This is absurd. Hamas killed the Israeli's, not Israeli's themselves.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I was not beaten up. Jesus. You are ignoring the points i made. You have rights in the UK. You have no rights in the Middle east. Reporting the confiscation of passports of South Asian labourers doesn't accomplish anything since they are doing that with full Government approval.

Most Brits do not want their streets to be disrupted by these useless and absurd protests.

Were you a labourer ? Yes it’s tough but nobody forces them . In fact millions of family members benefit from having workers in Middle East .

Most Brits support the freedom to protest.

 

[KingKhanWC]

oh my goodness. This is absurd. Hamas killed the Israeli's, not Israeli's themselves.

It’s an evil outpost or entity, read their own policy .

Btw supporting Israel doesn’t speed up citizenship

 

[KingKhanWC]

I’ve been to most Arab nations , to help the countries with tourism & see history .

I love Asian food & English sports, being Arab would be strange & boring for me .

 

[aboveandbeyond]

But disrupting the streets of London will not do anything to help the Palestinians. It only turns Brits against Pakistanis. You can speak out on TV and online. But the intimidation of British parliament is ridiculous.

The Israeli Palestinian conflict will never end. Even if Palestine were given a state, it will not change Hamas from trying to wipe out Israel. This conflict is a never ending one. A nuclear armed state isn't going anywhere. Full stop.

It's part of democracy. It was the same for the contraversial Ukraine war, in which the protests were championed.

But it seems to me you have issue for the palastanians and the muslims who are protesting. When the facts are people of all ethnicities and Race are protesting.

 

[Bhaijaan]

OP sounds like another subservient of his/her new nation & using personal experiences to forge this view.

Most Brits from all backgrounds support freedom for Palestine.

His point is that a general Pakistanis heart beats for Arabs whereas the same cannot be said for most Arabs who look down upon Muslims of SEA as if they were of a lower level and not pure enough allegedly. OP is calling for reciprocity.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Had to check I wasn't reading the same thread twice as a similar one was posted by @rickroll earlier today regarding Arab racism.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

His point is that a general Pakistanis heart beats for Arabs whereas the same cannot be said for most Arabs who look down upon Muslims of SEA as if they were of a lower level and not pure enough allegedly. OP is calling for reciprocity.

To be fair bhaijaan, you are a proud bhaarati and you may wish that Pakistani hearts beat for bharat, as may the OP actually, but that is a topic for another thread.

 

[CricketCartoons]

It is even more commendable that Pakistanis support Palestine despite facing racism from some arabs. Which means it is not a transaction of give and take, but being true to ones ideology.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It is even more commendable that Pakistanis support Palestine despite facing racism from some arabs. Which means it is not a transaction of give and take, but being true to ones ideology.

Indeed. This is a matter for shame for Arabs if it is true, not for Pakistanis.

 

[RidiculousMan]

But brotherhood is meant to be reciprocal. I have spent many years living in the Middle East and there is no Ummah or brotherhood.

Yes, its horrific that children are dying but none of this would have happened if Hamas didn't decide to massacre children in a music festival. Protesting in London and disrupting the lives of ordinary Brits isn't going to make an iota of difference. All it does is turn the local populations of these countries against your diaspora.

Like it or not, the UK, US, Canada, Australia, despite all being secular countries give you citizenship and equal legal rights. There is no citizenship nor any equal rights in any middle eastern country despite the alleged "brotherhood".

I agree simple street protests don't do much. We need better strategies. One is that people pressure their governments to take action. Pakistani people can pressure their government to take action.

It's a question of Akhirah for Muslims. I believe and all Muslims do that we will be questioned this atrocity. We can't put a blind eye to it because we are not being massacred in a region. That's the philosophy of Islam.

 

[RidiculousMan]

Pakistanis care about Muslims when there is an agenda involved.

Make it China vs Muslim. It'll be China which will trump religion.

It depends what are at stakes.

Not just Pakistanis. Muslims. Muslims should care about other Muslims if they are in trouble. That's what we signed up for when came into Islam.

I care about Palestinian Muslims, Kashmiri Muslims, Uyghur Muslims and Pakistani Muslims.

There's a very famous Hadith of Muhammad (SAW);

"You see the believers as regards their being merciful among themselves and showing love among themselves and being kind, resembling one body, so that, if any part of the body is not well then the whole body shares the sleeplessness (insomnia) and fever with it." - Sahih al-Bukhari 6011

I'm a Pakistani Muslim that care about all others. I believe we should all.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

The specific bombings that have happened recently by Israel would not have happened without October 7th. Again, what were they thinking? That going to a music concert and killing children was going to weaken Israel somehow? And that they wouldn't respond?

Apparently every thing was sunshine and rainbows before the October 7th?
I doubt you are either aware of the present or the past.

 

[Itachi]

Not just Pakistanis. Muslims. Muslims should care about other Muslims if they are in trouble. That's what we signed up for when came into Islam.

I care about Palestinian Muslims, Kashmiri Muslims, Uyghur Muslims and Pakistani Muslims.

There's a very famous Hadith of Muhammad (SAW);


I'm a Pakistani Muslim that care about all others. I believe we should all.

You've my respect in that case.

I saw a very different scenario regarding uyghur here in PP. And a few of those people are also here in this very thread stating something yet, changes tune when subject changes.

 

[ElRaja]

because believing in the ummah allows the average Pakistani to see himself as part of something greater than the mess that is Pakistan. if you truly want to see the unity of the ummah from a Pakistani pov just see pak afghan relations, im not saying either party is more culpable than the other, but the enmity is palpable.

 

[Red-Indian]

Majority Pakistanis are Muslims and they care about Muslim lives because one of the key components of Islam is Muslim brotherhood.

There are kids dying in this conflict. They are mostly Muslims. Heck if they were not even I would be supporting them kids of any region. Not just Palestine.

I know Muslims and Pakistanis have a particularly strong tradition of support for the Palestinians but there's a reason why support for them united the liberals and leftists of the world. They've suffered for so long and for no particular fault of theirs that it's tough not to feel sympathy for them.

Yes they've done a lot of terrible along the way but which oppressed people haven't? I'm not 100% sure India, Pakistan and Bangladesh would have their independence without Subash Chandra Bose and his buddying up with Hitler. At least, it would've taken a lot longer.

 

[guard]

But brotherhood is meant to be reciprocal. I have spent many years living in the Middle East and there is no Ummah or brotherhood.

Yes, its horrific that children are dying but none of this would have happened if Hamas didn't decide to massacre children in a music festival. Protesting in London and disrupting the lives of ordinary Brits isn't going to make an iota of difference. All it does is turn the local populations of these countries against your diaspora.

Like it or not, the UK, US, Canada, Australia, despite all being secular countries give you citizenship and equal legal rights. There is no citizenship nor any equal rights in any middle eastern country despite the alleged "brotherhood".

Does it hurt you personally, if Muslims, Pakistani or otherwise protest at the unjustified killing of innocent Palestinian babies, women, children and men. Just because your moral compass is different to others, should others not bring awareness and shed light on the hypocrisy and two facedness of the west. Are the people who are protesting breaking any laws?

 

[sweep_shot]

It is the right thing to do to side with Palestine. Even many non-Muslims are with Palestine.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Why do the Arabs don’t consider Pakistanis on par with them.

Is it because of the money or is it because they see them as lower caste or something.

 

[KB]

There have already been some good points made in response to the opening post. I would only add that we also need to zoom out. The Napoleon Bonaparte led invasion of Egypt in 1798, was the first time since the Crusades that an European army had entered the Middle East. Although Napoleon's invasion was repelled, in hindsight it was a symbolic moment. Over the next 100 years or so, nearly all Muslims in the world were subject to European rule. From the end of the first World War War and lasting to the 1960s, Muslims began to break free from formal European rule. But they could not break free from Western power. Nothing symbolises the dominance of Western power, and their own powerlessness, more than the fate of Palestine. This was eloquently summarised by the great historian, Francis Robinson:

“Nothing has more constantly reminded Muslims of the power of outside forces in their lives than the existence and the policies of the state of Israel. They know that the process of Zionist settlement in Palestine would not have been successful without British support, however qualified. They know that the emergence from the mid-1950s of Israel as a major power in West Asia would not have been possible without the unstinting material and political support of the West. They know that Israelis have only been able to achieve their colonial settlement of Arab lands seized in the war of 1967, and in breach of international law, because of American support. They know, too, that Israel has treated Palestinians with scant justice and much brutal force – though no more brutal than that deployed by many Muslim regimes – with the assurance of American support. For many Muslims the injustices meted out to the Palestinians symbolise both the injustices many experience in their own lives and their own impotence in the face of overwhelming power. In the twenty-first century Muslims know that the power of the West to intervene in their world in pursuit of its ends is greater than ever it was in the nineteenth.”

 

[ElRaja]

Why do the Arabs don’t consider Pakistanis on par with them.

Is it because of the money or is it because they see them as lower caste or something.

because the most common arab pakistani interaction is employer and employee in the middle east. get away from the middle east and the relationship is far more equitable. in my experience of arabs, Iraqis, jordanians and lebanese tend to be the most open, im guessing it must be a hangover from being part of once cosmopolitan societies.

egyptians, and other north africans are second. and the peninsular arabs significantly less sociable, likely due to the employer-employee dynamic i mentioned earlier.

however, its not a simple one size fits all approach, look at how brit Pakistani boxer hamzah sheeraz is being treated in saudi, they see him as an excellent branding agent, they understand he will resonate more with arab audiences than a non-muslim fighter, but he speaks well and handles himself with respect, him being ethnically Pakistani doesnt matter.

 

[Bhaijaan]

because the most common arab pakistani interaction is employer and employee in the middle east. get away from the middle east and the relationship is far more equitable. in my experience of arabs, Iraqis, jordanians and lebanese tend to be the most open, im guessing it must be a hangover from being part of once cosmopolitan societies.

egyptians, and other north africans are second. and the peninsular arabs significantly less sociable, likely due to the employer-employee dynamic i mentioned earlier.

however, its not a simple one size fits all approach, look at how brit Pakistani boxer hamzah sheeraz is being treated in saudi, they see him as an excellent branding agent, they understand he will resonate more with arab audiences than a non-muslim fighter, but he speaks well and handles himself with respect, him being ethnically Pakistani doesnt matter.

The best example is Shah Rukh Khan. Absolutely adored in the gulf. But if he was just a random bloke especially from Pakistan, the Arabs would see him as beneath them.

 

[Varun]

Why do the Arabs don’t consider Pakistanis on par with them.

Is it because of the money or is it because they see them as lower caste or something.

A few reasons I can think of:

1. Pakistanis don't speak Arabic.
2. They were members of other religions before.
3. Many of them are blue-collar labour in the Arab states.

 

[Champ_Pal]

One word. Islam.

If Palestinians were pagans or Buddhists, you will hear crickets from all online Pakistanis. Do you hear any outrage over Ukrainian genocide? Do you hear any outrage over South Sudan genocide? That tells you everything.

The western woke student protests over Gaza war is fully funded by Iran, Qatar and other shady countries. Overwhelming majority of US citizens are either neutral or take Israel’s side. This is why many online Muslims show such hatred for West and US.

 

[Bhaijaan]

A few reasons I can think of:

1. Pakistanis don't speak Arabic.
2. They were members of other religions before.
3. Many of them are blue-collar labour in the Arab states.

But bro Arabs themselves were members of different religions first.

 

[Champ_Pal]

A few reasons I can think of:

1. Pakistanis don't speak Arabic.
2. They were members of other religions before.
3. Many of them are blue-collar labour in the Arab states.

Racism plays a part in their attitude towards subcontinent Muslims.

I saw a few online vlogs by Pakistani Hindu YouTubers. In that the YouTuber showed how Muslim Pakistanis don’t even share utensils with Hindus or Christians. Even the street side Muslim vendor has separate plates and cups for Muslims and Hindus.
I guess the lower class attitude that Pakistani Muslims display towards Hindus and Christians is same as Arabs displaying their attitude towards subcontinent Muslims.

 

[Champ_Pal]

But bro Arabs themselves were members of different religions first.

But they were still Arabs. Same blood and kinship, language and culture.

 

[Bhaijaan]

But they were still Arabs. Same blood and kinship, language and culture.

In Pakistan, Bangladesh, Bharat the conversions happened through various means. I can’t present a break up but genuine Arab blood Muslims must not be many. 10% max? Again there is no proof and DNA testing isn’t very common. So it could be 1% or 25% I don’t know. Rest are all converts and a decent number of them were from what Hindus considered lower castes.

 

[Champ_Pal]

In Pakistan, Bangladesh, Bharat the conversions happened through various means. I can’t present a break up but genuine Arab blood Muslims must not be many. 10% max? Again there is no proof and DNA testing isn’t very common. So it could be 1% or 25% I don’t know. Rest are all converts and a decent number of them were from what Hindus considered lower castes.

10% Muslims in India are converts from Brahmins, Rajputs, Pathans of mixed ancestry. Some can have tiny amounts of Persian and Turkic ancestry. Pure Arab or Persian or Turkic or Pashtoon ancestry Muslims in India could be 1% or less.

This is why Muslims in India look just like their Hindu counter parts in whatever part of India they belong to. South Indian Muslims look South Indian. Punjabi/Haryanvi Muslims look just like Jatts or Khatris or Punjabi Dalits. Same goes for Rajasthani or Gujrati or Bengali.

You have to laugh when these people says that they ruled over Hindus for 600 years.

 

[uppercut]

I am a little mystified. I grew up in the middle east. I remember being called horrible racial slurs at a young age. I faced racism from both the Arab kids and the European ones. But i would say the comments from the Arab kids were particularly nasty.

My parents were upper middle class and both had excellent well paid jobs. But i saw first hand, the Pakistani labourers who were brought to the middle east under false pretenses, promised higher salaries than they were given, actually had their passports confiscated and effectively banned from travelling.

Now granted this was in Qatar. But i have seen similar racist attitudes towards Pakistani's throughout the Arab world.

When i see UK Pakistani's protesting for Gaza in London, its mystifying. These people are turning the native British population against the UK Pakistani demographic by disrupting the lives of ordinary Brits. The same native Brits that gave you citizenship, the right to marry British women if you so choose (go ahead and try to marry into an Arab family and see how well it goes), the right to run for office. You have zero such rights in virtually any Arab country.

I truly find this to be perplexing. Yes, its sad that innocent Palestinians are being killed but your protests in UK, Canada etc. will do nothing to stop this and not only that, you are turning the native populations of these countries against you.

There is no united Ummah as much as you may believe. You have virtually no rights in Arab countries despite sharing a religion and you have all the rights in Western secular countries. And yet the behaviour of Pakistani diaspora in these countries is turning the Native populations against you.

I will tell you why ... the entire reason for the existence of Pakistan is to be different ( if not just blatantly opposite and claim racial superiority) to that of the Evil kaffir Hindu India.

No less than your founding father said words to the effect that Hindus and Muslims Cannot Coexist.

Add to that the history of the subcontinent and combined with the desire to be different and superior to India... the choices are very limited and clinging on to the coat tails of the original muslims is the obvious logical choice. There is absolutely no shortage of Eminent Pakistanis Claiming "proud" ancestry with Arabs / turkish / Persian lineage when the harsh reality is that 99.9% of all Pakistani ancestors were all non-muslim who were subjected to unreal attrocities by invaders that forced them into adopting the religion of their oppressors. Its a classic Case of stockholm syndrome except that this one is generational.

So therefore what you described does not surprise me at all because of that historical perspective.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

What's happening in Palestine is not a religious but a humanity crisis.

 

[Bhaijaan]

10% Muslims in India are converts from Brahmins, Rajputs, Pathans of mixed ancestry. Some can have tiny amounts of Persian and Turkic ancestry. Pure Arab or Persian or Turkic or Pashtoon ancestry Muslims in India could be 1% or less.

This is why Muslims in India look just like their Hindu counter parts in whatever part of India they belong to. South Indian Muslims look South Indian. Punjabi/Haryanvi Muslims look just like Jatts or Khatris or Punjabi Dalits. Same goes for Rajasthani or Gujrati or Bengali.

You have to laugh when these people says that they ruled over Hindus for 600 years.

Again, we can’t have complete statistics until major DNA testing exercises take place however it is generally known that there is more racial purity in Afgan Muslims as compared to BBP Muslims majority of whom are converts and majority of such conversions naturally occurred from the lower strata while Bharat had a caste system in place. Even today, it holds true because majority of conversions in Bharat today are again from what were historically considered backward castes. The inner drive to achieve social equality has always resulted in such conversions.

 

[guard]

Why do the Arabs don’t consider Indians on par with them.

Is it because of the money or is it because they see them as lower beings or something.

Corrected it for you

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Corrected it for you

For Arabs, non- Muslims are already secondary, that's understood and dusted away.
Do they distinguish between Pakistani Muslims and Indian Muslims or are both treated the same?

 

[guard]

One word. Islam.

If Palestinians were pagans or Buddhists, you will hear crickets from all online Pakistanis. Do you hear any outrage over Ukrainian genocide? Do you hear any outrage over South Sudan genocide? That tells you everything.

The western woke student protests over Gaza war is fully funded by Iran, Qatar and other shady countries. Overwhelming majority of US citizens are either neutral or take Israel’s side. This is why many online Muslims show such hatred for West and US.

Why are hindus so irked at Muslim and non Muslim support for Palestinians… .. why this ?!? Is your life impacted day to day? So many strawman and cope noise being generated here. maybe thats why it’s understandable for your palpable hate

 

[guard]

For Arabs, non- Muslims are already secondary, that's understood and dusted away.
Do they distinguish between Pakistani Muslims and Indian Muslims or are both treated the same?

For Arabs, everyone is secondary… every single person

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

For Arabs, everyone is secondary… every single person

So why feel the need to make random correction?

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Why are hindus so irked at Muslim and non Muslim support for Palestinians… .. why the burn?!? Is your life impacted day to day? So many strawman and cope noise being generated here. the israelis are your bed fellows, maybe thats why it’s understandable for your palpable hate

Why do you prefer the Muslims of Palestine over those dying in Syria, Yemen, Sudan, Myanmar or China?

 

[guard]

What's happening in Palestine is not a religious but a humanity crisis.

Yeah… but whats their current Forex, how many iPhone plants? What’s their GDP? These are the things that matter (to some)

 

[guard]

So why feel the need to make random correction?

Are you Arab?

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Are you Arab?

Let's assume I am. How does that matter in this discussion?

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

What's happening in Palestine is not a religious but a humanity crisis.

This my friends is called peak PR at the geo-politics.
Millions dying in Sudan dont matter, millions deisplaced in Syria dont count, decade long civil war in Yemen , silence.
an actual ethnic cleansing of Muslims in Myanmar. All these regions with million and millions of Muslims suffering but somehow Rest of the Muslim world only cries Gaza.

 

[sweep_shot]

Why are hindus so irked at Muslim and non Muslim support for Palestinians… .. why this ?!? Is your life impacted day to day? So many strawman and cope noise being generated here. maybe thats why it’s understandable for your palpable hate

Yeah. This is something that doesn't make much sense.

Why do Indians become very salty regarding Palestine issue? They have no stake in this conflict.

 

[guard]

Why do you prefer the Muslims of Palestine over those dying in Syria, Yemen, Sudan, Myanmar or China?

so now Muslims need certification to whom they show support too? And that too from hindus?
Whilst i understand what your saying, and every tragedy is, well a tragedy for humanity, it is not as simple as your are making it. If Palestinian genocide is making the news today, so what if the world (minus the israeli fanboys) show support. it doesn’t mean the others who are suffering are forgotten, No. Anyway Muslims and Non muslims carry on your support, the others can keeping jumping up and down

 

[guard]

Yeah. This is something that doesn't make much sense.

Why do Indians become very salty regarding Palestine issue? They have no stake in this conflict.

Evidently they do

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The best example is Shah Rukh Khan. Absolutely adored in the gulf. But if he was just a random bloke especially from Pakistan, the Arabs would see him as beneath them.

That would be the same in India though.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

so now Muslims need certification to whom they show support too? And that too from hindus?
Whilst i understand what your saying, and every tragedy is, well a tragedy for humanity, it is not as simple as your are making it. If Palestinian genocide is making the news today, so what if the world (minus the israeli fanboys) show support. it doesn’t mean the others who are suffering are forgotten, No. Anyway Muslims and Non muslims carry on your support, the others can keeping jumping up and down

No one is granting certificates? And chill with Ad hominem attacks.
I understand what the status of a Hindu is in your eyes, so I shall not even dare to cross my boundaries, sir

The general Muslim support for Palestine in the Islamic world is about Muslim brotherhood. It is understood and no one is questioning that. But when numerically deaths and carnage of other Muslims in Sudan, Syria, Yemen trump what's happening by literal multiples of 10X and still little to no concern from the Muslim world it feels strange.
Where is the ummah here? Or wait.. we are talking about a humanitarian issue right? So lives of Muslims of Sudan Syria and Yemen are less important than Palestinians.

I have simply highlighted that Palestine has a far better PR machine, but should a PR machine matter for the Muslims of the world? So basically it's the Sudanese and Syrians fault that they don't have their own built-in PR machine.
Understood!

 

[BunnyRabbit]

This my friends is called peak PR at the geo-politics.
Millions dying in Sudan dont matter, millions deisplaced in Syria dont count, decade long civil war in Yemen , silence.
an actual ethnic cleansing of Muslims in Myanmar. All these regions with million and millions of Muslims suffering but somehow Rest of the Muslim world only cries Gaza.

Who's saying millions dying in other places don't count. Every single life matters.

Plenty of people have spoken about Yemen, Syria, Myanmar and China.

Sudan is the only one among those mentioned that hasn't been given much coverage.

Raising awareness is the key. If awareness for each of the countries' crimes is brought attention to, there will be voices and protests by people.

Gaza is getting plenty of attention because around a million have died (i may be wrong) in last 8-9 months and complete cities have been destroyed.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

No one is granting certificates? And chill with Ad hominem attacks.
I understand what the status of a Hindu is in your eyes, so I shall not even dare to cross my boundaries, sir

The general Muslim support for Palestine in the Islamic world is about Muslim brotherhood. It is understood and no one is questioning that. But when numerically deaths and carnage of other Muslims in Sudan, Syria, Yemen trump what's happening by literal multiples of 10X and still little to no concern from the Muslim world it feels strange.
Where is the ummah here? Or wait.. we are talking about a humanitarian issue right? So lives of Muslims of Sudan Syria and Yemen are less important than Palestinians.

I have simply highlighted that Palestine has a far better PR machine, but should a PR machine matter for the Muslims of the world? So basically it's the Sudanese and Syrians fault that they don't have their own built-in PR machine.
Understood!

The land of Palestine-Israel holds great significance to followers of all 3 Abrahamic religions. Maybe that is why it's always in the news.

 

[rickroll]

This is because Pakistanis are brainwashed by the fake promises of some Ummah and are falling prey to that. Many of us would be happy if the country of Pakistan puts Pakistan and Pakistanis first instead of being used up as political/social/military/financial cannon fodder for some others' battles. The middle east countries need more human body support (be it as votes in UN or OIC or anywhere else, or as military power as a nuclear nation, or more media exposure among a large population group to further whatever cause they have).

Seriously, enough with this Ummah and let's put Pakistan first. Nobody is coming to help Pakistan at our time of need and we should not be guilted into shouldering someone else's burden when we ourselves are hopping on one leg these days.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Why do the Arabs don’t consider Pakistanis on par with them.

Is it because of the money or is it because they see them as lower caste or something.

Arabs don't consider ppl from sub continent on par with them period. Arabs tend to use the word Hindi in reference to Asians from the sub continent from my experience...

Pakistanis naturally feel being part of the Ummah they need to support the Palestinians which is fine.

The issue is I hardly see Palestinians support the Pakistanis, going back to Yasir Arafat he did not raise a sound regarding Kashmir despite Pakistan bringing this up on the international stage numerous times when he was alive, matter of fact I think he sided more with the Indians...

Then there is the whole Ughyur hypocrisy, a lot of Pakistani muslims won't raise a peep about what China is doing to them in concentration camps, so Ummah definitely needs a reality check there....

 

[BouncerGuy]

Pakistan has always been against Israel and its creation. This is due to religious, political, and ideological reasons. Many people in Pakistan believe that Israel’s existence goes against Islamic values and poses a risk to the safety and welfare of Muslims.

 

[Energy]

Zinger scene is too strong here so KFC can't be boycotted. But we've done a decent job with McD.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

One word that a lot of Indians get riled up by at PP. "UMMAH"