Why do popular overseas Pakistanis not care about Pakistan?

[minamino]

Kumail Nanjiani, Shahid Khan, Zayn Malik all of them are popular Pakistanis who are recognized worldwide yet it seems like they don’t really care about Pakistan. You have Indian overseas who always relate to India and even Palestinians but then what’s wrong with Pakistanis?

 

[sindhiboy]

i think kumail has tried to portray pakistan positively, shahid khan is a greedy businessman and billionaire(no different from any of the elite pakistanis)

zayn malik is not really pakistani, his mother is turkish or british, he was not raised in pakistan so no reason for any patriotism from him.

Even then, you think pakistanis themselves care about pakistan? why should overseas pakistanis care?

 

[AdamM97]

I care. I wasn’t even born in Pakistan either although I used to spend 3-6 months in Pakistan each year until I was 6 and entire summers in Pakistan till age 14.

A lot of Overseas Pakistanis care about Pakistan and Kumail Nanjiani relates to Pakistan in almost every interview he gives.

Zayn Malik and Shahid Khan are bad examples. Zayn Malik is whitewashed and I doubt he can even utter more than 3 sentences in Urdu. As for Shahid Khan, he’s a billionaire and the US is an ideal place for entrepreneurs and ambitious people like him. He cares more about his money than his native homeland (which isn’t wrong to be fair).

 

[irfan]

practically all overseas Pakistanis care, not sure what makes op think otherwise.

Zayn Malik is half Pakistani and that too 3rd generation, never been to Pakistan so can understand his position.

 

[Haroon786]

How different is that from a resident Pakistani's mindset?

 

[minamino]

Zayn Malik has a lot of family in Pakistan and I don’t think that he has never been to Pakistan

 

[Down2Earth]

Generally foreign Pakistanis probably care more about Pakistan. These rice exceptions must only worry about their bank accounts

 

[sjahmed23]

Wrong. Kumail Nanjiani brings alot of positive spotlight to Pakistan and he's started doing that more. There is also Riz Ahmed who even made a rap album about/in Pakistan. Even Shad Khan went to meet Imran Khan in DC and said he's the best thing to happen to Pakistan.

I think this is true for alot of other countries though for example Iran, Afghanistan, they have famous celebrities too but you will never know that because they change their names.

 

[KingKhanWC]

A thread about caring for Pakistan because of Zayn Malik )

 

[Bigboii]

Except for Shahid Khan(when a dude gets a white wife and a bunch of proper white boys as his kids than you know where he is going) you can't really make a case for others, every pak celebaraty seems to represent themselves proudly (while calling out our s****y things which is the first step of patriotism)

 

[minamino]

Wrong. Kumail Nanjiani brings alot of positive spotlight to Pakistan and he's started doing that more. There is also Riz Ahmed who even made a rap album about/in Pakistan. Even Shad Khan went to meet Imran Khan in DC and said he's the best thing to happen to Pakistan.

I think this is true for alot of other countries though for example Iran, Afghanistan, they have famous celebrities too but you will never know that because they change their names.

I think Riz Ahmed is one of the few Pakistani celebs who care about Pakistan. Kumail's most successful movie The Big Sick wasn't even released in Pakistan and if I am not wrong, I think he's an atheist as well

 

[PetroDollars]

zayn malik is only half pakistani, probably doesnt relate

shahid khan is mostly a private person, who hardly comes in the media

 

[sweep_shot]

Not every human is patriotic. Also, many people are probably too busy with their lives. No time for patriotism or nationalism.

 

[angrypathan]

I think Riz Ahmed is one of the few Pakistani celebs who care about Pakistan. Kumail's most successful movie The Big Sick wasn't even released in Pakistan and if I am not wrong, I think he's an atheist as well

And how do his religious beliefs correlate with not caring about Pakistan? Have you seen The Big Sick? Pakistan is mentioned more than a dozen times, heck Kumail's initial skits in the movie are shown to be entirely focused on Pakistan

 

[Pakistanian]

i think kumail has tried to portray pakistan positively, shahid khan is a greedy businessman and billionaire(no different from any of the elite pakistanis)

zayn malik is not really pakistani, his mother is turkish or british, he was not raised in pakistan so no reason for any patriotism from him.

Even then, you think pakistanis themselves care about pakistan? why should overseas pakistanis care?

They're all of Pakistani descent an so is Zayn lol, his mother is white English not Turkish but even then he's half Pakistani and in Eastern cultures we follow the laws of patrilineal descent so if your father is Pakistani then so are you, also he does identify a lot with the culture, released songs in Urdu and prior to being famous he's even tweeted about Pakistan. Of course celebrities tend be "global citizens" rather than be overly patriotic about their roots.

 

[Pakistanian]

During the recent Imran Khan rally in DC, Shahid Khan met him and said he was proud to be a Pakistani, it's on camera lol. Now if only if he could put his money where his mouth is. He should open a few plants in Pakistan to create jobs.

 

[Mamoon]

No overseas Pakistani cares. If they did, they wouldn’t be living abroad and would be offering the services to the country they pretend to love.

Those who fake their patriotism over the internet and forums like these try to compensate for their guilt.

Easy to show your love and concern over the internet when you are living in the first world, earning in dollars/pounds/euros, enjoying the privileges their host countries have to offer and are basically free from the constraints of living in a third world, shambolic country like Pakistan.

However, the ones who don’t pretend that they care are the ones who are not hypocrites.

 

[imrankhannsu]

This is a bit harsh saying overseas Pakistanis dont care. Just because they may not be vocal about it or it doesnt get published in the media.

James Caan has regularly been to Pakistan and helping poor people. I know some famous Pakistani caterers in London who give a good amount to Pakistan and also help struggling Pakistanis in this country.

 

[Abdullah719]

I don't understand why it matters.

Isn't Zayn Malik born in the UK?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I don't understand why it matters.

Isn't Zayn Malik born in the UK?

Yes he is. People like Zayn Malik have no obligation to care about Pakistan, yet he still tries to relate by singing really bad ghazal type of songs. When you have Pakistanis sitting in Pakistan themselves who hate the country and cheerlead India on this board, I think perhaps they should look at themselves first.

The only people who are ultimately responsible for caring about Pakistan are those who are living there. Stop cheerleading ethnic cleansing neighbours and do your part to improve matters at home.

 

[amax]

Overseas Pakistanis along with Turks care most about there home country from my experience, many Pakistanis who even have western passports have said to me that they will marry a Pakistani because they want their future generation to "look Pakistani", compare this with westernized indians,iranians and westernized arabs , they are always abusing their home country.

 

[Abdul]

Why should they? No one is obligated to care about Pakistan.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

99% of overseas Pakistanis care about Pakistan. Pakistan has a special place in our heart even though we may not reside there.

 

[Knight_Rider]

Infact the overseas Pakistanis care about Pakistan more than Pakistanis in Pak.

There is a reason why foreign remittances is one of the biggest source of revenue stream in Pakistan. Also abroad most ppl keep their pakistani and religious identity close to their heart.

 

[Bigboii]

No overseas Pakistani cares. If they did, they wouldn’t be living abroad and would be offering the services to the country they pretend to love.

Those who fake their patriotism over the internet and forums like these try to compensate for their guilt.

Easy to show your love and concern over the internet when you are living in the first world, earning in dollars/pounds/euros, enjoying the privileges their host countries have to offer and are basically free from the constraints of living in a third world, shambolic country like Pakistan.

However, the ones who don’t pretend that they care are the ones who are not hypocrites.

I know you have a problem against oversees Pakistanis but don't be cause instead of taking lifafas we went out and worked hard and than sent money to pak we are way more patriotic than lifafa taking elite

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

One of the biggest criticisms of overseas Pakistanis is that they don't integrate like the Indians do. So if they care less about Pakistan than Indians do, why do they hold onto Pakistani culture more strongly than Indians hold onto theirs?

 

[ARK Rafay]

Infact the overseas Pakistanis care about Pakistan more than Pakistanis in Pak.

Are you sure about this one? There are people in Pakistan rn that will give away their everything for Pakistan and when it comes to defending in a war they'll give away their life. That's the peak of a patriotism imo. (Obviously intentionally going down a tank to die is stupidity)

 

[Mamoon]

I know you have a problem against oversees Pakistanis but don't be cause instead of taking lifafas we went out and worked hard and than sent money to pak we are way more patriotic than lifafa taking elite

Keep repeating that so that you may believe it one day and not use it as a coping mechanism.

The future of this country depends on the people who are living in it. Expats who left the country are merely reduced to floating over the money they send to help their families.

The ECP showed expats their “aukaat” when they weren’t allowed to vote in the election.

If every Pakistani thought like you and went abroad to send money home, what will happen to Pakistan?

Expats are not patriots. If they were patriots, they would return to Pakistan and provide their services here after earning money abroad.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Keep repeating that so that you may believe it one day and not use it as a coping mechanism.

The future of this country depends on the people who are living in it. Expats who left the country are merely reduced to floating over the money they send to help their families.

The ECP showed expats their “aukaat” when they weren’t allowed to vote in the election.

If every Pakistani thought like you and went abroad to send money home, what will happen to Pakistan?

Expats are not patriots. If they were patriots, they would return to Pakistan and provide their services here after earning money abroad.

You are right to some extent, ex-pats don't really deserve the tag of patriots, I have always said the same thing myself. But then living in the country doesn't necessarily make you a patriot either. There are thousands upon thousands of British nazi sympathisers despite our dear country going to war with them twice. I could name you quite a few British dignitaries among them in fact.

So please stop carrying your Pakistani location as a badge of honour. Pakistani paedophiles could claim the same honour.

 

[Saj]

I think many do, but there again many probably feel that they have no real connection with Pakistan.

 

[sjahmed23]

Like I said, most Pakistanis keep their identity when they move to the west which is a HUGE deal. If you look at immigrants from other countries they lose that after the first or second generation. I have met so many Chinese/Asian and Iranians who change their names to blend in the west, how many Pakistanis do you know that do that? Even though we're one of the most persecuted communities in the west where even our resumes get tossed at some companies because of our names.

The elites on the other hand, living in the west or in Pakistan will act differently, they only care about their money and image so could careless about Pakistan. They will use Pakistan's name when it suits them and shun it when it doesn't, I have so many examples in my head for people like that.

 

[Muddaser]

No overseas Pakistani cares. If they did, they wouldn’t be living abroad and would be offering the services to the country they pretend to love.

Those who fake their patriotism over the internet and forums like these try to compensate for their guilt.

Easy to show your love and concern over the internet when you are living in the first world, earning in dollars/pounds/euros, enjoying the privileges their host countries have to offer and are basically free from the constraints of living in a third world, shambolic country like Pakistan.

However, the ones who don’t pretend that they care are the ones who are not hypocrites.

Rich coming from you.

No PakistanI needs a certificate of approval from you of all people.

Living in a country doesn't prove your patriotism. You are a prime example.

 

[Syed1]

If Pakistanis in Pakistan had cared about the country then it wouldn't have been a shambolic mess it is now. Easy to blame the overseas and the government, but how many of these patriotic Pakistan resident Pakistanis stop at a red light at 3 am on a secluded street. Or how many do not throw whatever is in their hands out on the street as garbage. Or how many don't have the first instinct to offer chai pani to the chachu when he stops you for a traffic offense.

Half the Mercs, Audis and BMWs in Karachi are running with fake "AFR" registration. AFR means applied for registration. These elite patriotic Pakistanis run with fake number plates because if they register their expensive German car they would have to pay a hefty tax on it. Such patriotism wow mein sadqay jaon.

Heck forget everything just yesterday there was a news that post Corona out break this past week , people were in a frenzy to get masks. Lo and behold the patriotic Pakistan resident Pakistani shop owners and manufacturers began hoarding them so that they can sell it at 500%+ markup. The government is having to conduct raids such to catch these hoarders.


Itni patriotism bhai kahan se latay ho itni patriotism.

 

[Bigboii]

If Pakistanis in Pakistan had cared about the country then it wouldn't have been a shambolic mess it is now. Easy to blame the overseas and the government, but how many of these patriotic Pakistan resident Pakistanis stop at a red light at 3 am on a secluded street. Or how many do not throw whatever is in their hands out on the street as garbage. Or how many don't have the first instinct to offer chai pani to the chachu when he stops you for a traffic offense.

Half the Mercs, Audis and BMWs in Karachi are running with fake "AFR" registration. AFR means applied for registration. These elite patriotic Pakistanis run with fake number plates because if they register their expensive German car they would have to pay a hefty tax on it. Such patriotism wow mein sadqay jaon.

Heck forget everything just yesterday there was a news that post Corona out break this past week , people were in a frenzy to get masks. Lo and behold the patriotic Pakistan resident Pakistani shop owners and manufacturers began hoarding them so that they can sell it at 500%+ markup. The government is having to conduct raids such to catch these hoarders.


Itni patriotism bhai kahan se latay ho itni patriotism.

Welcome to capitalism would happen every where without regulations honestly it doesn't have anything to do with patriotism

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Welcome to capitalism would happen every where without regulations honestly it doesn't have anything to do with patriotism

I have said this many times on here. This is why I have a belief that someone like Imran Khan will be the best long term bet for Pakistan, he is a man of relatively high personal standards and he knows what works outside of the SC. Of course I know that in a third world country the concept of putting long term interest above short term is not an easy one to sell.

 

[minamino]

Popular overseas Pakistanis could actually lobby for Pakistan in general issues like overseas Indians do.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Popular overseas Pakistanis could actually lobby for Pakistan in general issues like overseas Indians do.

They already do. Although it probably risks making them less popular.

 

[watson367]

Pakistan shouldn’t rely too much on overseas *****. New gen overseas ***** don’t give a damn about thier roots and what goes on in Pak.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Indians are more patriotic and they stand up for India, Pakistan on the other hand just agree with the white men (wants to fit in and get a praise).

Gandi and Bhagat Singh are good examples who stood up against the Angrez

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Indians are more patriotic and they stand up for India, Pakistan on the other hand just agree with the white men (wants to fit in and get a praise).

Gandi and Bhagat Singh are good examples who stood up against the Angrez

Then why do Pakistanis have a worse reputation for failing to integrate in foreign countries? Your view is not making any sense. There was no Pakistan during the time of Gandhi or Baghat Singh.

 

[Thomaskutty]

Gandi and Bhagat Singh are good examples who stood up against the Angrez

If I remember correctly, Gandhi and Nehru spent about 15 years in total for the freedom movement whereas Mohammed Ali Jinnah actually never set foot in a jail

 

[Minnowbasher]

Popular overseas Pakistanis care ALOT about Pakistan
Look at Amir Khan for example.
I mean there aren't many popular overseas pakistanis anyway most are born atleast in Pakistan so sample size too small.
But anyone with any connection to Pakistan tends to be quite passionate.

 

[in_cutter]

Kumail Nanjiani, Shahid Khan, Zayn Malik all of them are popular Pakistanis who are recognized worldwide yet it seems like they don’t really care about Pakistan. You have Indian overseas who always relate to India and even Palestinians but then what’s wrong with Pakistanis?

They have Pakistani heritage. That’s it. Zayn is not a good example as he is half Pakistani.

 

[Local.Dada]

I usually see arguments that Indians drop their culture and integrate while Pakistanis defend their religion etc but that is such a broad sterotype. As I have said before people trying to make a living and life for their families have no choice but to to integrate. There is nothing wrong with it. There are ways to enjoy your culture and traditions in the comfort of your homes and social gatherings.

 

[Ball Blazer]

Who says they don't care?

Overseas Pakistanis have once again proven to be the backbone of the national economy, sending over $38 billion in remittances during the past 12 months, an amount nearly equivalent to Pakistan’s total export earnings. Officials anticipate that this figure will surpass $40 billion in the coming year, highlighting the critical role of the Pakistani diaspora in supporting the country’s financial stability amid ongoing economic challenges.

 

[sweep_shot]

Who says they don't care?

Overseas Pakistanis have once again proven to be the backbone of the national economy, sending over $38 billion in remittances during the past 12 months, an amount nearly equivalent to Pakistan’s total export earnings. Officials anticipate that this figure will surpass $40 billion in the coming year, highlighting the critical role of the Pakistani diaspora in supporting the country’s financial stability amid ongoing economic challenges.

That's amazing. This is how to help a country. Not some sweet words.

Action is more important than words.