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Why do they prefer to learn English over Hindi? Is it some kind of colonial hangover because as far as I know, the South Indian languages have some similarities with Sanskrit and the words are used in Hindi.

Like in Pakistan, people from KPK and Balochistan learn Urdu even though it’s not as similar as a lot of people think it is
 
English has easier grammar and easier sentence construction than hindi. Unless you are speaking since birth, people will be more inclined to English due to easier grasping than Hindi.
 
Why do they prefer to learn English over Hindi? Is it some kind of colonial hangover because as far as I know, the South Indian languages have some similarities with Sanskrit and the words are used in Hindi.

Like in Pakistan, people from KPK and Balochistan learn Urdu even though it’s not as similar as a lot of people think it is


It's not a question of preference. Actually, many south Indians do speak Hindi very well (I am an example). It's not as bad as it used to be.

It's more a question of need. One doesn't need Hindi to survive in South Indian states. Every state in South India has its own language, with its own rich history and scholarship. There is no need for us to adopt Hindi. We are also fundamentally opposed to Hindi being imposed as a 'national language'. It's the same with Bengalis, for example.

English was given to India by the British, and is an integral part of our education system. Besides, it is also a useful language to learn for job opportunities both in India and abroad. So we have learned it. We have also, in many ways, made it our own and have even changed it to suit our requirements. Indian English is now a recognised version of the language that can be found even in MS Word.
 
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Why do they prefer to learn English over Hindi? Is it some kind of colonial hangover because as far as I know, the South Indian languages have some similarities with Sanskrit and the words are used in Hindi.

Like in Pakistan, people from KPK and Balochistan learn Urdu even though it’s not as similar as a lot of people think it is

It was not taught as a compulsory language in schools in some of the South Indian states I believe.
May have changed now, and there were lot of local language medium schools ie Punjabi medium, Tamil medium etc. But now everywhere more or less everyone is studying the subjects like Maths and Science in English due to 1. Better job prospects 2. Easier to read/write subjects in Higher Education.
All Engineering and Doctors degrees are in English.
Depends upon the state you go to, I found people in Karnataka and Andhra/Telangana spoke better level of Hindi as compared to Kerala/Tamil Nadu.

English, along with Hindi is one of the 28 official language of India. It was given to us by British, but now we have made it our own(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_English).
Preference, well everyone will speak in Language they are most comfortable with.
For me, it is Punjabi, then Hindi and then English.
Also, it has become a common language. When I am in a South Indian state, mostly it is language to communicate as that is the only common language in some cases. We are way past colonial hangover now.
 
pretty sure the southern states are more economically developed than the hindi belt, thus vindicating their decision to choose English over Hindi as their second language.

urdu has helped create national unity within Pakistan, however it has come at an economic cost. u put urself at a massive disadvantage when STEM subject are not taught in the defacto lingua franca of the nation.
 
I didn't notice it at all.

Also, South Indians have different languages. They don't all speak the same language.
 
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Why should they speak Hindi? They have their own language to be proud of and use.

Hindi is not supposed to be unifier of India like Urdu is in Pakistan (according to some - including me)
 
Why would South Indians living in South India require to speak Hindi?

Now when they live in North or other parts of India of course they learn the local language.

As far as preferring English over Hindi, it’s not preference but more of convenience. English is taught in school and is obviously learning English is a life skill for not just Indians but more or less for the entire world, so it would just be easier to communicate than Hindi.
 
Why should they speak Hindi? They have their own language to be proud of and use.

Hindi is not supposed to be unifier of India like Urdu is in Pakistan (according to some - including me)

To be honest language cannot be a unifier. I see some Hindi movies making fun of South Indians,Bengalis or even Gujaratis for their Hindi accent.

Similarly I have seen people making fun of Punjabi style of speaking Hindi/Urdu too.

I think you can’t force a language on anyone, never works that way.

Remember the last 2 biggest wars in the subcontinent was fought on the basis of language superiority and not only religion or any other thing.

Tamil (Srilanka) and Bengali (Bangladesh)
 
Why do they prefer to learn English over Hindi? Is it some kind of colonial hangover because as far as I know, the South Indian languages have some similarities with Sanskrit and the words are used in Hindi.

South Indian languages are from a completely different language family than North Indian ones. They have words from Sanskrit the same way Urdu has words from Arabic.

Like in Pakistan, people from KPK and Balochistan learn Urdu even though it’s not as similar as a lot of people think it is

Urdu and Pashto/Balochi are not only from the same language family (Indo-European), they are from the same branch, Indo-Iraninan, of a language family.

They are part of separate sub branches, as Urdu belongs to the Indo-Aryan subgroup, while Pashto/Balochi belong to the Iranian sub group. Kind of like how North Germanic and West Germanic languages are part of separate subgroups.

So yes their are differences between Urdu and Pashto/Balochi, but no where close to the difference between Hindi and the Dravidian languages.
 
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It's not just South Indians, this happens with a lot of Asians even though some can hardly speak any English.

Sometimes I interview guys whose English is terrible but they insist on trying to speak English, even though it makes no sense at all.
 
Remember the last 2 biggest wars in the subcontinent was fought on the basis of language superiority and not only religion or any other thing.

Tamil (Srilanka) and Bengali (Bangladesh)

War over language is quite stupid.

Language, at the end of the day, is a tool for communication. It is like paper money; it has value as long as people deal with it.

Desi people are often too emotional about small things. You are unlikely to see a war over language outside of Indian subcontinent.
 
It's not just South Indians, this happens with a lot of Asians even though some can hardly speak any English.

Sometimes I interview guys whose English is terrible but they insist on trying to speak English, even though it makes no sense at all.

If a south Indian speaks to you in english, it is likely because he doesn't know hindi/urdu. It is not due to any weird idea of a colonial hangover.

People forget that south india for the most part of its history remained independent from the major hindu/muslim kingdoms that ruled north India/Pakistan and had their own autonomous kingdoms. Therefore there was not enough exposure to hindi/urdu culture except regions like Hyderabad and maybe Mysore during Tipu Sultan's rule. The further you go down south, the lesser influence of hindi/urdu you'll find and therefore most people down south simply do not know the language.

It is a common misconception among many north indians (and Pakistanis by the look of things) that south indians know hindi, yet choose not to speak it. South Indians don't speak hindi/urdu because a lot of them simply do not know the language. There are obviously a good section of people who can understand it in states like Telengana, Karnataka and maybe Kerala too but probably can't speak it fluently. In Tamil Nadu, you'll be hard pressed to find some people who can understand hindi/urdu, let alone speak it because tamil is probably the most distant language from sanskrit/hindi/urdu in terms of common vocabulary among the major Indian languages and therefore there is very little in common between the languages for people to understand hindi or urdu.
 
War over language is quite stupid.

Language, at the end of the day, is a tool for communication. It is like paper money; it has value as long as people deal with it.

Desi people are often too emotional about small things. You are unlikely to see a war over language outside of Indian subcontinent.

Nope. language is a symbol of identity. Once you lose control over the language, you start to lose in other sectors too. In a diversify country such as india, it's important to keep it's own language because across different phenotype and culture, there's one entity that is common which is language.
 
War over language is quite stupid.

Language, at the end of the day, is a tool for communication. It is like paper money; it has value as long as people deal with it.

Desi people are often too emotional about small things. You are unlikely to see a war over language outside of Indian subcontinent.

Desi people are more emotional about religion than language.

What's important to you may not be important to others.
 
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If a south Indian speaks to you in english, it is likely because he doesn't know hindi/urdu. It is not due to any weird idea of a colonial hangover.

I wasn't even talking about South Indians. No idea why you assumed that.
 
I wasn't even talking about South Indians. No idea why you assumed that.

You said "It's not just south Indians, but also a lot of desis" in your post. Maybe I was mistaken.

My post was just a clarification on the topic anyway.
 
Obviously learning English rather than Hindi enables one to communicate with the world outside India, that itself is enough reason to prefer English over Hindi.

Soon after Independence the Congress tried to impose Hindi on non-Hindi states and that backfired.
 
It's not a question of preference. Actually, many south Indians do speak Hindi very well (I am an example). It's not as bad as it used to be.

It's more a question of need. One doesn't need Hindi to survive in South Indian states. Every state in South India has its own language, with its own rich history and scholarship. There is no need for us to adopt Hindi. We are also fundamentally opposed to Hindi being imposed as a 'national language'. It's the same with Bengalis, for example.

English was given to India by the British, and is an integral part of our education system. Besides, it is also a useful language to learn for job opportunities both in India and abroad. So we have learned it. We have also, in many ways, made it our own and have even changed it to suit our requirements. Indian English is now a recognised version of the language that can be found even in MS Word.

And Hindi was given to India by Mughals, who reigned longer than Angreji Samraj.
 
If a south Indian speaks to you in english, it is likely because he doesn't know hindi/urdu. It is not due to any weird idea of a colonial hangover.

People forget that south india for the most part of its history remained independent from the major hindu/muslim kingdoms that ruled north India/Pakistan and had their own autonomous kingdoms. Therefore there was not enough exposure to hindi/urdu culture except regions like Hyderabad and maybe Mysore during Tipu Sultan's rule. The further you go down south, the lesser influence of hindi/urdu you'll find and therefore most people down south simply do not know the language.

It is a common misconception among many north indians (and Pakistanis by the look of things) that south indians know hindi, yet choose not to speak it. South Indians don't speak hindi/urdu because a lot of them simply do not know the language. There are obviously a good section of people who can understand it in states like Telengana, Karnataka and maybe Kerala too but probably can't speak it fluently. In Tamil Nadu, you'll be hard pressed to find some people who can understand hindi/urdu, let alone speak it because tamil is probably the most distant language from sanskrit/hindi/urdu in terms of common vocabulary among the major Indian languages and therefore there is very little in common between the languages for people to understand hindi or urdu.

I agree. Have lived in Bangalore and lot of colleagues from different states, especially Tamil Nadu and Kerala have never studied the language. So it is hard to pick up. Same way it was hard for me to pick up Tamil and Kannada.
 
And Hindi was given to India by Mughals, who reigned longer than Angreji Samraj.

Middle Indo-Aryan to Hindi
"Like other Indo-Aryan languages, Hindi is a direct descendant of an early form of Vedic Sanskrit, through Sauraseni Prakrit and Śauraseni Apabhraṃśa (from Sanskrit apabhraṃśa "corrupt"), which emerged in the 7th century CE.[33]"

Hindustani
After the arrival of Islamic administrative rule in northern India, Old Hindi acquired many loanwords from Persian, as well as Arabic,[35] which led to the development of Hindustani. In the 18th century, an intensively Persianised version of Hindustani emerged and came to be called Urdu.[36][37][38] The growing importance of Hindustani in colonial India and the association of Urdu with Muslims prompted Hindus to develop a Sanskritised version of Hindustani, leading to the formation of Modern Standard Hindi.[39][40][10]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindi

Like everything in Sub-continent, there is no giving or taking, things just evolve after lot of mixins.
 
For those of you who haven't twigged it. The reason why South Indians 'love' to speak English is because when the Brits invaded, thus conquered India, it was through the southern waters - the Indian ocean.

South Indians were speaking, or trying to speak English, for 300 years cos the the Brits conquered the seas, and ultimately conquered India, through the south. FACT.
 
For those of you who haven't twigged it.

The reason why South Indians 'love' to speak English is because when the Brits invaded, thus conquered India, it was through the southern waters - the Indian ocean.

South Indians were speaking, or trying to speak English, for 300 years cos the the Brits conquered the seas, and ultimately conquered India, through the south. FACT.

But they came to India through Surat which is like in Northern or Central part of present India.
 
And Hindi was given to India by Mughals, who reigned longer than Angreji Samraj.

It doesn't matter if Hindi was given to the Indians by the Mughals or the Mauryas, ultimately learning English is far more useful for your professional life and career than learning Hindi, Urdu, Tamil, Kannada, Marathi, etc.

If you're going to learn a completely new language other than your mother tongue, it might as well be English as it would serve you well in your professional life. This is not colonial hangover but just the way of the world. If the lingua franca of the world was French, I would've advocated for learning French instead of English.
 
Because they have not much in common with the regions which actually speak Hindi.

If it weren’t for the British lumping them all into one entity for administrative purposes, they wouldn’t even be in the same country as the Hindi speaking belt
 
I agree. Have lived in Bangalore and lot of colleagues from different states, especially Tamil Nadu and Kerala have never studied the language. So it is hard to pick up. Same way it was hard for me to pick up Tamil and Kannada.
It is compulsory to study hindi as the third language in Kerala
 
It's not a question of preference. Actually, many south Indians do speak Hindi very well (I am an example). It's not as bad as it used to be.

It's more a question of need. One doesn't need Hindi to survive in South Indian states. Every state in South India has its own language, with its own rich history and scholarship. There is no need for us to adopt Hindi. We are also fundamentally opposed to Hindi being imposed as a 'national language'. It's the same with Bengalis, for example.

English was given to India by the British, and is an integral part of our education system. Besides, it is also a useful language to learn for job opportunities both in India and abroad. So we have learned it. We have also, in many ways, made it our own and have even changed it to suit our requirements. Indian English is now a recognised version of the language that can be found even in MS Word.

So English being imposed to you is OK but not Hindi?
 
It is compulsory to study hindi as the third language in Kerala

Okay. Thanks for that information, was not aware of that. So it is same as Punjab then,
English, Hindi and Punjabi all three are compulsory till 10th class. Uff.. So much text to read as a kid.
 
So English being imposed to you is OK but not Hindi?

There is no imposition. You can choose to study in Hindi/Punjabi/Tamil medium etc but will struggle a bit when going for higher studies ala Engineering/MBBS degrees etc.
People do make it though, but having studies in English since childhood helps a bit more.
 
It is not South India alone.
These are the other Indians prefer to speak English over Hindi

1) Eastern Indians including North Eastern
2) Liberal Indians
3) Anti-Hindi Indians generally found in political parties of South India
4) College going Teens
5) Students who aspire to get higher education from abroad
6) Harsha Bhogle / Chetan Bhagat / Sadguru / Karan Johar and you know like professionals
7) Indian males (when intoxicated)
 
It is not South India alone.
These are the other Indians prefer to speak English over Hindi

1) Eastern Indians including North Eastern
2) Liberal Indians
3) Anti-Hindi Indians generally found in political parties of South India
4) College going Teens
5) Students who aspire to get higher education from abroad
6) Harsha Bhogle / Chetan Bhagat / Sadguru / Karan Johar and you know like professionals
7) Indian males (when intoxicated)

:))):))):)))

Punjabi uncles especially when they meet someone who works in USA/UK.
 
It is not South India alone.
These are the other Indians prefer to speak English over Hindi

1) Eastern Indians including North Eastern
2) Liberal Indians
3) Anti-Hindi Indians generally found in political parties of South India
4) College going Teens
5) Students who aspire to get higher education from abroad
6) Harsha Bhogle / Chetan Bhagat / Sadguru / Karan Johar and you know like professionals
7) Indian males (when intoxicated)

The only ones who should be embarrassed about not speaking hindi are those whose mother tongue is hindi. The rest of the categories do not matter.
 
I've always found it quite interesting because most of the South Indians I know don't speak Hindi. In fact it becomes quite awkward when Pakistanis and North Indians start to communicate in mutual languages but the guys from the south are left out of the conversation.

Does the lack of hindi stop South Indians seeking employment in the major cities in the North - I ask for both blue collar and white collar workers. White collar may be able to get by with English + regional language but what about the blue collar guys?

ALso - does Modi ever make speeches solely in Hindi? Does this annoy the South Indian non Hindi population or it just treated as a normal occurrence?
 
I've always found it quite interesting because most of the South Indians I know don't speak Hindi. In fact it becomes quite awkward when Pakistanis and North Indians start to communicate in mutual languages but the guys from the south are left out of the conversation.

Does the lack of hindi stop South Indians seeking employment in the major cities in the North - I ask for both blue collar and white collar workers. White collar may be able to get by with English + regional language but what about the blue collar guys?

ALso - does Modi ever make speeches solely in Hindi? Does this annoy the South Indian non Hindi population or it just treated as a normal occurrence?

Modi makes most of his speeches and addresses the Nation in Hindi, even speaks Hindi at the UN. That's the language in which his message reaches out to majority of the Indians so it makes sense .
 
Modi makes most of his speeches and addresses the Nation in Hindi, even speaks Hindi at the UN. That's the language in which his message reaches out to majority of the Indians so it makes sense .

How is that viewed in the South where Hindi isnt spoken? Do they feel disconnected, rely on translations, or just dont really care?
 
Because Hindi has nothing to do with us.

The closest Hindi state to us is probably Madhya Pradesh - which is far away from the Southern population centers.
 
I've always found it quite interesting because most of the South Indians I know don't speak Hindi. In fact it becomes quite awkward when Pakistanis and North Indians start to communicate in mutual languages but the guys from the south are left out of the conversation.

Does the lack of hindi stop South Indians seeking employment in the major cities in the North - I ask for both blue collar and white collar workers. White collar may be able to get by with English + regional language but what about the blue collar guys?

ALso - does Modi ever make speeches solely in Hindi? Does this annoy the South Indian non Hindi population or it just treated as a normal occurrence?

First of all there are more job opportunities in south of india, even for blue collar workers.
And you will be surprised at the adaptability of blue collar workers. They pick up and learn the relevant language very quickly. Lot of cooks who work in Bangalore are Oriyas(from state of Odhisha).. and they pick up Kannada and other local south indian languages very fast as it helps them find more customers and more ways to earn money. Same for lot of labourers from any other north indian states or Security Guards(lot of IT companies in South Indias big cities), and they are in huge demand.

As a white collar worker, well you need to know only English for employability. But does not hurt to learn a few local words like I picked up few words of Kannada as it helped with grocery shopping and other stuff.

I have seen the same thing in developed countries e.g. in Spain there are lot of Pakistanis running businesses and vegetable shops and working in stores etc. and there Spanish level was A-Class. I went there as an expatriate from an IT company and had company sponsored Spanish courses, but still did not reach same level of Spanish because, well, it was not a mandatory requirement for the job.

So, bottomline is, Economic opportunities determine how fast people adapt and learn a language. It was Persian and Arabic at some moment of time in history, Sanskrit etc. in India and in current global world, that language is English.
 
How is that viewed in the South where Hindi isnt spoken? Do they feel disconnected, rely on translations, or just dont really care?

Rely on translations. Speeches are translated when shown on TV and even in live attendance. Same for any major party leader from center e.g Rahul Gandhi, Manmohan Singh speeches are also translated.
The masses in villages don't speak English that much.
 
First of all there are more job opportunities in south of india, even for blue collar workers.
And you will be surprised at the adaptability of blue collar workers. They pick up and learn the relevant language very quickly. Lot of cooks who work in Bangalore are Oriyas(from state of Odhisha).. and they pick up Kannada and other local south indian languages very fast as it helps them find more customers and more ways to earn money. Same for lot of labourers from any other north indian states or Security Guards(lot of IT companies in South Indias big cities), and they are in huge demand.

As a white collar worker, well you need to know only English for employability. But does not hurt to learn a few local words like I picked up few words of Kannada as it helped with grocery shopping and other stuff.

I have seen the same thing in developed countries e.g. in Spain there are lot of Pakistanis running businesses and vegetable shops and working in stores etc. and there Spanish level was A-Class. I went there as an expatriate from an IT company and had company sponsored Spanish courses, but still did not reach same level of Spanish because, well, it was not a mandatory requirement for the job.

So, bottomline is, Economic opportunities determine how fast people adapt and learn a language. It was Persian and Arabic at some moment of time in history, Sanskrit etc. in India and in current global world, that language is English.

true that.
People get by in India even without knowing Hindi or other languages simply because its no big deal. only the starting few weeks are difficult but no issues.

India very diverse and differences are common and yet binding us together. for this I am proud
 
First of all there are more job opportunities in south of india, even for blue collar workers.
And you will be surprised at the adaptability of blue collar workers. They pick up and learn the relevant language very quickly. Lot of cooks who work in Bangalore are Oriyas(from state of Odhisha).. and they pick up Kannada and other local south indian languages very fast as it helps them find more customers and more ways to earn money. Same for lot of labourers from any other north indian states or Security Guards(lot of IT companies in South Indias big cities), and they are in huge demand.

As a white collar worker, well you need to know only English for employability. But does not hurt to learn a few local words like I picked up few words of Kannada as it helped with grocery shopping and other stuff.

I have seen the same thing in developed countries e.g. in Spain there are lot of Pakistanis running businesses and vegetable shops and working in stores etc. and there Spanish level was A-Class. I went there as an expatriate from an IT company and had company sponsored Spanish courses, but still did not reach same level of Spanish because, well, it was not a mandatory requirement for the job.

So, bottomline is, Economic opportunities determine how fast people adapt and learn a language. It was Persian and Arabic at some moment of time in history, Sanskrit etc. in India and in current global world, that language is English.

If that is true why Mumbai is the financial capital of India ? Does South India have more jobs and money than Mumbai and Delhi ?
 
If that is true why Mumbai is the financial capital of India ? Does South India have more jobs and money than Mumbai and Delhi ?

Mumbai is not north of India and Delhi is just one state. I was replying to question about south indians moving to north india having difficulty there. My response is they don't need to move out to North now, except for Central Govt. jobs in Delhi.
Mumbai already has a large south indian population, and it shares state borders with South Indian states.. Lot of multi-lingual(Hindi,English,Marathi,Kannada,Telugu) people live near those borders.

I am amazed some times by people in South of India.. Some of the peeps speak up to 6 languages fluently.
I had trouble mixing Hindi and Punjabi growing up, speaking and writing .. :))
 
true that.
People get by in India even without knowing Hindi or other languages simply because its no big deal. only the starting few weeks are difficult but no issues.

India very diverse and differences are common and yet binding us together. for this I am proud

Well just ask one question.. to bond. If a cricket match is going on.. Score kya hai..:)
 
If that is true why Mumbai is the financial capital of India ? Does South India have more jobs and money than Mumbai and Delhi ?

There are job opportunities all over India, Mumbai is not the only city.
It may be the financial capital due to the perfect combination of being business friendly and also due to excellent airport and seaport connection, has stock market and major financial institutions and corporates have their head-offices there.

I wouldn't say it is the best place to live. prefer B'lore or Pune more tbh. Mumbai houses have matchbox sized rooms. You need to be stick thin to live in them
 
First of all there are more job opportunities in south of india, even for blue collar workers.
And you will be surprised at the adaptability of blue collar workers. They pick up and learn the relevant language very quickly. Lot of cooks who work in Bangalore are Oriyas(from state of Odhisha).. and they pick up Kannada and other local south indian languages very fast as it helps them find more customers and more ways to earn money. Same for lot of labourers from any other north indian states or Security Guards(lot of IT companies in South Indias big cities), and they are in huge demand.

As a white collar worker, well you need to know only English for employability. But does not hurt to learn a few local words like I picked up few words of Kannada as it helped with grocery shopping and other stuff.

I have seen the same thing in developed countries e.g. in Spain there are lot of Pakistanis running businesses and vegetable shops and working in stores etc. and there Spanish level was A-Class. I went there as an expatriate from an IT company and had company sponsored Spanish courses, but still did not reach same level of Spanish because, well, it was not a mandatory requirement for the job.

So, bottomline is, Economic opportunities determine how fast people adapt and learn a language. It was Persian and Arabic at some moment of time in history, Sanskrit etc. in India and in current global world, that language is English.

Rely on translations. Speeches are translated when shown on TV and even in live attendance. Same for any major party leader from center e.g Rahul Gandhi, Manmohan Singh speeches are also translated.
The masses in villages don't speak English that much.
Thanks for the explanations. Makes sense and quite fascinating how so many disparate cultures/languages still retain an overall 'Indian' identity.
 
Modi makes most of his speeches and addresses the Nation in Hindi, even speaks Hindi at the UN. That's the language in which his message reaches out to majority of the Indians so it makes sense .

The masses understand Modi's sanskritized hindi?
 
Why does one need to listen to the PM speech anyway?

Nobody I know has ever listened to the PM's speech because firstly they don't understand it and secondly, all the important bits of the speech that we need to know would be mentioned in the daily news anyway in respective regional languages. Finally since the national parties don't have a foothold here (it's different in other southern states though), it's not like you're missing out on the speech of the leaders in the political party you support or emotionally connected to.
 
South Indians dont really need to move up North for jobs or otherwise. They have the best of everything. Its the Biharis, Odias and other ones who move there for labour related jobs.

Its rather more profitable for the other side to learn their languages, considering the opportunities. And plus one can enjoy their movies in their purest form, they have taken it to a whole new level in India
 
I mean from an outsiders perspective , if I had to learn a second language it'd be the one that opens more doors for me , is widely understood throughout the world and increases my job opportunities/ earning potential .
 
For those of you who haven't twigged it. The reason why South Indians 'love' to speak English is because when the Brits invaded, thus conquered India, it was through the southern waters - the Indian ocean.

South Indians were speaking, or trying to speak English, for 300 years cos the the Brits conquered the seas, and ultimately conquered India, through the south. FACT.

But they came to India through Surat which is like in Northern or Central part of present India.

western coast*

Also through Bengal.

British rule of India effectively began with the defeat of the Nawab of Bengal by the East India Company in the Battle of Plassey in 1757.
 
War over language is quite stupid.

Language, at the end of the day, is a tool for communication. It is like paper money; it has value as long as people deal with it.

Desi people are often too emotional about small things. You are unlikely to see a war over language outside of Indian subcontinent.

Tell that to the Prussians who sought to capture Alsace and Lorraine because of the existence of Germanic dialects in the commune.
 
The masses understand Modi's sanskritized hindi?

Modi’s first language itself is not Hindi, it’s Gujarati. Manmohan Singh’s was obviously Punjabi, Narsimha Rao mother tongue was Telugu (South Indian language) even though he was a scholar well versed in both the sanskritized Hindi as well Urdu as he had grown up in Telangana during and around the Nizam days. I think only Vajpayee’s fiest language was Hindi. So clearly that hasn’t been a problem.
 
Tell that to the Prussians who sought to capture Alsace and Lorraine because of the existence of Germanic dialects in the commune.

Nah empires invade and fight over land for resources and geostrategic purposes, language is more of an "add-on" reason or even an excuse
 
I've always found it quite interesting because most of the South Indians I know don't speak Hindi. In fact it becomes quite awkward when Pakistanis and North Indians start to communicate in mutual languages but the guys from the south are left out of the conversation.

Does the lack of hindi stop South Indians seeking employment in the major cities in the North - I ask for both blue collar and white collar workers. White collar may be able to get by with English + regional language but what about the blue collar guys?

ALso - does Modi ever make speeches solely in Hindi? Does this annoy the South Indian non Hindi population or it just treated as a normal occurrence?

We are like the European Union with individual languages but inside one Nation. Each Indian State have their own State government which “are supposed” to safeguard their people’s interest and they do have some autonomy in their internal matters. Thanks to our constitution, somehow this system really works for us. Yes I am selfish and i would love to have Pakistan also in this Union just to avoid the Kashmir situation. There won’t be army interferences and people would be able to live a normal life like us there also.

Regarding jobs, if it’s not for some Education or Government/high paying MNC job or Bollywood, everyone would prefer to go outside than going to North India. Culturally and linguistically we are very different from each other . For me personally, i would better learn French, Spanish or German compared to Bengali, Telugu or Punjabi if it provide me better job opportunities. That’s how different some of the languages are.
 
Why does one need to listen to the PM speech anyway?

Nobody I know has ever listened to the PM's speech because firstly they don't understand it and secondly, all the important bits of the speech that we need to know would be mentioned in the daily news anyway in respective regional languages. Finally since the national parties don't have a foothold here (it's different in other southern states though), it's not like you're missing out on the speech of the leaders in the political party you support or emotionally connected to.

Basically this. Why would anyone want to hear his long “Mann ki baat” bakwaas. I am yet to see someone in real life who watches that show.
 
We are like the European Union with individual languages but inside one Nation. Each Indian State have their own State government which “are supposed” to safeguard their people’s interest and they do have some autonomy in their internal matters. Thanks to our constitution, somehow this system really works for us. Yes I am selfish and i would love to have Pakistan also in this Union just to avoid the Kashmir situation. There won’t be army interferences and people would be able to live a normal life like us there also

India, despite being under a right wing government for nearly 8 years now, is still a fairly decentralised country, in terms of religion, culture and language. There is no state religion or national language tying the country together and if anything, the massive diversity unifies the country more than anything. If India had a state religion, it would be highly unfair to its minorities and if India had a national language, the southern states would start dissenting, which is why India doesn't have either of these.

Pakistan was created based on a centralised ideology of religion and language - making urdu the national language was one of the many reasons why East Pakistan broke off, despite it being a muslim majority country too. So I'm not sure how the union would work given the difference between how the constitution was written in both countries, in terms of having a state religion and a national language.
 
Nah empires invade and fight over land for resources and geostrategic purposes, language is more of an "add-on" reason or even an excuse

That's an oversimplification. Language can be one of the primary tenets behind conflict due to its importance in shaping identity and culture.

The unification of Germany under Bismarck was largely based on a desire to unify all the German speaking populations of the former Holy Roman Empire. The central motivation behind the invasion of Alsace-Lorraine was the nationalist idea that these territories belonged by right to a unified Germany due to the large presence of German speakers in Northeast France.
 
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That's an oversimplification. Language can be one of the primary tenets behind conflict due to its importance in shaping identity and culture.

The unification of Germany under Bismarck was largely based on a desire to unify all the German speaking populations of the former Holy Roman Empire. The central motivation behind the invasion of Alsace-Lorraine was the nationalist idea that these territories belonged by right to a unified Germany due to the large presence of German speakers in Northeast France.

It wasn't just language, it was ethnicity. German unification was to unify ethnic Germans not just cause of language. You're conflating ethnic identity with linguistic identity.
 
It wasn't just language, it was ethnicity. German unification was to unify ethnic Germans not just cause of language. You're conflating ethnic identity with linguistic identity.

True, ethnicity played a part, but language was the primary motivation for Bismarck and other nationalists.

Prussians, Bavarians, and a few other people that lived along the Rhine valley had ethnically distinct identities, the common ground was language which allowed the Prussians to unify all those separate kingdoms under one single banner. You are utterly underestimating the role of language in the unification.

Heck Italy, Spain, and France still have lots of underlying tensions between the regions due to language. The Catalan and Basque independence movements are primarily based on linguistic identity.
 
True, ethnicity played a part, but language was the primary motivation for Bismarck and other nationalists.

Prussians, Bavarians, and a few other people that lived along the Rhine valley had ethnically distinct identities, the common ground was language which allowed the Prussians to unify all those separate kingdoms under one single banner. You are utterly underestimating the role of language in the unification.

Heck Italy, Spain, and France still have lots of underlying tensions between the regions due to language. The Catalan and Basque independence movements are primarily based on linguistic identity.

Catalan and Basque are ethnic identities, you're still conflating linguistics with ethnicity. Language can be a powerful tool to unite as was the case with the German unification but those aren't the underlying reasons, the real catalyst for any expansion or war is power and geostrategic benefits - if unifying German speakers wasn't economically or militarily feasible and there was no long term benefits then they wouldn't have gone through with it.
 
Catalan and Basque are ethnic identities, you're still conflating linguistics with ethnicity. Language can be a powerful tool to unite as was the case with the German unification but those aren't the underlying reasons, the real catalyst for any expansion or war is power and geostrategic benefits - if unifying German speakers wasn't economically or militarily feasible and there was no long term benefits then they wouldn't have gone through with it.

But that conflation is necessary, because ethnic identity and linguistic identity in these cases is interlinked. You often can't have one without the other.

Your point about the militaristic or economic benefits goes without saying, given that there's an element of survivorship bias as these movements would have fizzled out if there were no lasting economic or geostrategic benefits. But then again the movements wont have had major support without the common unifying factor of language.

In a large part, the reasons the Catalan and Basque or even Corsican movements haven't been successful (thus far), and to a certain extent fizzled out, is because either/and there are no compelling economic benefits or there are no militaristic advantages from potential secession.
 
It's like asking why south Indians prefer to learn English over Punjabi or Bengali or why north Indians prefer English over Tamil. India has no national language. It's a union of different linguistic states.
 
It's like asking why south Indians prefer to learn English over Punjabi or Bengali or why north Indians prefer English over Tamil. India has no national language. It's a union of different linguistic states.

You should tell your PM and his right hand man that.
 
Just to correct a misconception, Hindi is not a mother tongue for people of any state. By hindi, I mean the daily hindi as we speak.

Even if we look at so called 'hindi belt':

UP - Awadhi, Bundeli, Braj Bhasa and Bagheli

MP - Malwi, Nimadi, Bundelkhandi

Bihar/Jharkhand/Chattisgarh - Bhojpuri, Maithali

Rajasthan - Mewari/Rajasthani

The daily hindi is a cocktail of all these languages which act as an unifier for all the above states.

Many South Indians can speak very good hindi but they dont like it when its being imposed on them. They see it as an North Indian Aryan imposition. Some also view it as BJPs (historically considered as hindi party) imposition.

From my experince, South Indian people are much more patriotic towards their states compared to Northies who dont give two hoots from which state they belong. They are more patriotic towards India though. I have lived in Bangalore for sometime and if in a cultural event for example you play many bollywood songs...some folks will ask 'Why so many hindi songs da? Kannada gottila (Cant speak Kannada)?" Youtube is filled with such comments. If I remember correctly, there was a rule also made during IPL that the DJ in Chinnaswamy stadium should play few Kannada songs during matches.

But if you go to my home state Bengal (a state which I dont like at all) - all you would hear is hindi songs. People will probably laugh or think you are backward if you play Bangla songs in any event. Have you ever heard any Bangla song being played at eden gardens? Lol.
 
Just to correct a misconception, Hindi is not a mother tongue for people of any state. By hindi, I mean the daily hindi as we speak.

Even if we look at so called 'hindi belt':

UP - Awadhi, Bundeli, Braj Bhasa and Bagheli

MP - Malwi, Nimadi, Bundelkhandi

Bihar/Jharkhand/Chattisgarh - Bhojpuri, Maithali

Rajasthan - Mewari/Rajasthani

The daily hindi is a cocktail of all these languages which act as an unifier for all the above states.

Many South Indians can speak very good hindi but they dont like it when its being imposed on them. They see it as an North Indian Aryan imposition. Some also view it as BJPs (historically considered as hindi party) imposition.

From my experince, South Indian people are much more patriotic towards their states compared to Northies who dont give two hoots from which state they belong. They are more patriotic towards India though. I have lived in Bangalore for sometime and if in a cultural event for example you play many bollywood songs...some folks will ask 'Why so many hindi songs da? Kannada gottila (Cant speak Kannada)?" Youtube is filled with such comments. If I remember correctly, there was a rule also made during IPL that the DJ in Chinnaswamy stadium should play few Kannada songs during matches.

But if you go to my home state Bengal (a state which I dont like at all) - all you would hear is hindi songs. People will probably laugh or think you are backward if you play Bangla songs in any event. Have you ever heard any Bangla song being played at eden gardens? Lol.

Perhaps this is your personal perception. I know of a lot of UP'ites or Rajasthanis who are very proud of their states. Witnessed the same in Punjab, Gujarat and Maharashtra.

@your home state Bengal, I worked for few years in Haldia and was surprised to see that barely few could speak Hindi yet I could hear popular Hindi songs in Bengali version. So everything has its local flavour.
 
It's pretty simple. Migrations to south indian cities - Chennai and Bangalore initially did not come from the Hindi heartlands. In Bangalore particularly, The first wave of migration post independence came from other southern states and maybe Maharashtra and Bengal . So the bridge language became English.

Also, historically, half of Bangalore city had a very strong British Cantonment culture which was preserved and perpetuated through tons of Christian convent schools etc. to the extent that you could live here and speak more in English than any other language including your own mother tongue.

Till 2005, I dont even remember hearing Hindi much. Even the North Indians who lived here were business communities -Sindhis, Marwaris, Punjabis(Hindus and Sikhs) and they usually learnt the local language for their businesses while their kids would converse in English just like the rest of us.

Only 2005 onwards , we started seeing migrations from the hindi heartlands for IT etc .
 
Chandra Arya, an Indian-born Canadian lawmaker, spoke in his mother tongue Kannada in the Canadian Parliament on Thursday and said that it's the first time the language was spoken in any parliament in the world outside India. A video of his address has gone viral.
Mr Arya, who represents the electoral district of Nepean, Ontario, in the House of Commons, the lower house of Canada, tweeted a video of his address, saying Kannada is a beautiful language spoken by about five crore people.

“I spoke in my mother tongue (first language) Kannada in the Canadian parliament. This beautiful language has a long history and is spoken by about 50 million people. This is the first time Kannada is spoken in any parliament in the world outside of India,” said Mr Arya.

"I am happy that i have got the opportunity to speak in my mother tongue Kannada. It is a matter of pride for 5 crore Kannadigas that someone who comes from Sira Taluka in Tumukuru district is speaking in Kannada after getting elected to the Canadian Parliament," he said in Kannada. His colleagues in the house greeted him with a big round of applause once he finished.

Mr Arya is from Tumkur district, about 70 kilometres from Karnataka capital Bengaluru. He was elected to the parliament as a Liberal party candidate in the 2019 general election.

https://www.ndtv.com/indians-abroad...parliament-2993142#pfrom=home-ndtv_topstories
 
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