Why do the likes of Shinwari, Junaid, Hasan and Faheem not go wicket-less in comparison to Amir?

[Savak]

Why do these talentless souls end up getting atleast 1 wicket per game if not 2-3 in comparison to the super talented unlucky Amir?

It is quite revealing to see these guys get nicks, caught behind of the keeper, in the slips, in the gully or lbw's while Amir cant do any of these things even if his life depends on it.

To be honest these guys should be higher in the pecking order than Amir who should ideally be benched or be made first or second change. I see him going the Ishant Sharma route.

 

[Madplayer]

They are not unlucky like Amir.

 

[pkckt]

Demotivation. He doesn't want to play this series and our cricket board is forcing him to do so. This also explains why for some reason he becomes a GOAT against India at times, its due to him being fired up and actually wanting to pick a wicket. Over the course of 5 years he has lost most of his passion for the game and its only natural that if you stop doing something you love then you eventually lose interest in it. The other bowlers however want to prove themselves to the world and will gladly give their 100 percent in every game. That's the difference.

 

[pakistani pride]

Demotivation. He doesn't want to play this series and our cricket board is forcing him to do so. This also explains why for some reason he becomes a GOAT against India at times, its due to him being fired up and actually wanting to pick a wicket. Over the course of 5 years he has lost most of his passion for the game and its only natural that if you stop doing something you love then you eventually lose interest in it. The other bowlers however want to prove themselves to the world and will gladly give their 100 percent in every game. That's the difference.

LOL@ lost his passion. Just a week ago in the tri series final he was PAK Best bowler taking 3 wickets and stopping AUS from scoring over 200.

He didnt do welo in the last 2 ODIS but who cares these ODIS VS ZIM are the mother of JAMODIS

 

[Savak]

Demotivation. He doesn't want to play this series and our cricket board is forcing him to do so. This also explains why for some reason he becomes a GOAT against India at times, its due to him being fired up and actually wanting to pick a wicket. Over the course of 5 years he has lost most of his passion for the game and its only natural that if you stop doing something you love then you eventually lose interest in it. The other bowlers however want to prove themselves to the world and will gladly give their 100 percent in every game. That's the difference.

Laughable and lame excuses

 

[Stewie]

Amir’s performance is a mystery. He somehow managed to take it up quite a few notches when it matters and does appear demotivated in other games..


I can’t help but feel he is still the best of our bowlers... in terms of skill and delivering in clutch situations.. he did that in 2009 T20s final. He did it in CT final and he just seems like someone you can count on..

 

[Slim]

Its all to do with motivation with him. Just recently in the match against Australia, he took 3 wickets. He has a very poor attitude for a bowler but thats how it is.

 

[pkckt]

LOL@ lost his passion. Just a week ago in the tri series final he was PAK Best bowler taking 3 wickets and stopping AUS from scoring over 200.

He didnt do welo in the last 2 ODIS but who cares these ODIS VS ZIM are the mother of JAMODIS

Like I said, he only does good against teams he truly finds a purpose to perform against, its not that hard to understand

 

[aloo paratha]

Like I said, he only does good against teams he truly finds a purpose to perform against, its not that hard to understand

What about New Zealand?

 

[pkckt]

Laughable and lame excuses

What here is a lame excuse? His lack of motivation is clear as daylight judging from his interviews after ban and constant requests to the board to exempt him from meaningless series. If you are going to disagree atleast provide your point of view.

 

[pkckt]

What about New Zealand?

He's being given special treatment due to his past performances, this lack of pressure to improve means he will remain mediocre which he's been since his comeback despite once in a blue moon performances. He should be sent back to the domestic circuit, he either makes it back to the side with skill and merit or plays domestic leagues and t20 tournaments for the rest of his life

 

[Salman4.]

"Because Amir knows when to perform".

 

[Savak]

What here is a lame excuse? His lack of motivation is clear as daylight judging from his interviews after ban and constant requests to the board to exempt him from meaningless series. If you are going to disagree atleast provide your point of view.

So why do the others have more motivation than him? Even if true, who deserves to play for the green cap, a player who is always 100% motivated in each and every game for Pakistan or someone who only becomes motivated in one game out of 10?

Everyone has an ego, no one likes to under perform or look mediocre pedestrian in comparison to others unless he is deliberately under performing for money.

There is no lack of motivation, he is just not good enough as people think he is to perform consistently to be regarded as an elite bowler.

 

[pkckt]

So why do the others have more motivation than him? Even if true, who deserves to play for the green cap, a player who is always 100% motivated in each and every game for Pakistan or someone who only becomes motivated in one game out of 10?

Everyone has an ego, no one likes to under perform or look mediocre pedestrian in comparison to others unless he is deliberately under performing for money.

There is no lack of motivation, he is just not good enough as people think he is to perform consistently to be regarded as an elite bowler.

Can you quote a phrase of mine where I'm supporting his inclusion in the team? Read my above post, I, for quite some time wanted him to be dropped into the domestic circuit to improve and gain his motivation to reach the top back.

 

[pakistani pride]

Like I said, he only does good against teams he truly finds a purpose to perform against, its not that hard to understand

Uhmm no he doesnt. Its not as if he is some superman who can decide himself when to perform. Of course playing ENG, AUS or INDIA will make him feel like pushing a bit more then some JAMODI vs a minnow.

But dont say he lacks passion. He was so involved during the run chase vs AUS.. all passion and believe.

He is a world T20 winner, CT winner, won several test matches IN England. Was part of the team that BEAT AUS in a LOI final after 28 years etc...

For me he is a CHAMP that makes things happen when we need it. The management should drop him for such series. We have loads of other options for such low profile series.

 

[super hitter]

"Because Amir knows when to perform".

Absolutely!

Amir is a big match player, none of the other bowlers have accomplished, what he has for Pakistan.

Secondly, teams usually know how big of a threat he is and avoid taking risks against him. Just an assumption though.

 

[pakistani pride]

Amir’s performance is a mystery. He somehow managed to take it up quite a few notches when it matters and does appear demotivated in other games..


I can’t help but feel he is still the best of our bowlers... in terms of skill and delivering in clutch situations.. he did that in 2009 T20s final. He did it in CT final and he just seems like someone you can count on..

He is the BEST!
to add he won us the T20 series in NZ (1st Asian team). He won multiple tests IN ENGLAND. He for sure can take more wickets but nowadays when even 300 scores are below average he stil has an ECO rate of well below 5.

You hardly see him getting smashed. All the bowlers in the world get hit today but Amir hardly goes over 60 runs in 10 overs.

 

[Savak]

Absolutely!

Amir is a big match player, none of the other bowlers have accomplished, what he has for Pakistan.

Secondly, teams usually know how big of a threat he is and avoid taking risks against him. Just an assumption though.

Moot point. Teams in the past tried to avoid taking risks against the likes of Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib but they still could atleast pick up a wicket or two in each game or could clean up the tail.

 

[Asif321]

If you aren’t motivated to play for Pakistan. Then I don’t know what more you need.

 

[CadPakFan]

Amir should be dropped for a couple series to give him a wake-up call and to let him know he won't be getting special treatment and if he wants to be a regular in the team he should perform just as much as the other bowlers.

 

[Hawkeye]

Wasim Akram 's name is on Lord's honor board, but SRT's is not.

Does that mean Wasim is a better batsman?

You cannot put Junaid and Amir in the same sentence, that's insult to cricket and bowling. Junaid is a mediocre gun barrel straight trundler who can only be compared to Umar Gul, Dinda, Vinay and the likes.

Shinwari is also of the Gul/Junaid class.

 

[Savak]

Wasim Akram 's name is on Lord's honor board, but SRT's is not.

Does that mean Wasim is a better batsman?

You cannot put Junaid and Amir in the same sentence, that's insult to cricket and bowling. Junaid is a mediocre gun barrel straight trundler who can only be compared to Umar Gul, Dinda, Vinay and the likes.

Shinwari is also of the Gul/Junaid class.

Unless Mamoon has hacked your profile, this is a moot post. Bowlers who take wickets will always be looked more favorably vis a vis those bowlers who don't pick up wickets

 

[Slim]

Unless Mamoon has hacked your profile, this is a moot post. Bowlers who take wickets will always be looked more favorably vis a vis those bowlers who don't pick up wickets

Mamoon hasnt hacked his profile. The poster has a known bias against Junaid. Take his opinions with a grain of salt.

 

[ads101]

He's just safe because he's the only one who seems to be able to ball with the new ball.

People are saying he ups it when it matters, but he didn't up it in the Champions Trophy until the final. Hence his average stats. He also didn't play the last world cup. Are we hyping up one match? It could have just been coincidence, nothing to do with upping it for crucial matches.


In 2009/2010 that Amir had no trouble picking up wickets consistently and keeping down the runs. Why does this one struggle? You'd think Amir would be better not worse now, the excuse fresh back to international cricket has gone, it's been around 2 years now.

I do think batsmen play him defensively at times. But you've also got to try for the wicket and set the batsman up. Amir's not doing this it seems. People try to play out Starc too, and yet he still gets a boatload of wickets.

It really sucks tbh, we can't drop him atm as none of the third pacers have really cemented their place yet, and Hasan has not excelled with the new ball. If we get a pacer in who excels with the new ball and beats Amir at his own speciality, Amir will be under far more pressure.

 

[Savak]

He's just safe because he's the only one who seems to be able to ball with the new ball.

People are saying he ups it when it matters, but he didn't up it in the Champions Trophy until the final. Hence his average stats. He also didn't play the last world cup. Are we hyping up one match? It could have just been coincidence, nothing to do with upping it for crucial matches.


In 2009/2010 that Amir had no trouble picking up wickets consistently and keeping down the runs. Why does this one struggle? You'd think Amir would be better not worse now, the excuse fresh back to international cricket has gone, it's been around 2 years now.

I do think batsmen play him defensively at times. But you've also got to try for the wicket and set the batsman up. Amir's not doing this it seems. People try to play out Starc too, and yet he still gets a boatload of wickets.

It really sucks tbh, we can't drop him atm as none of the third pacers have really cemented their place yet, and Hasan has not excelled with the new ball. If we get a pacer in who excels with the new ball and beats Amir at his own speciality, Amir will be under far more pressure.

The excuse that batsmen play him out and defensively is rubbish, this is where a quality bowler shows his mark where he blasts a batsman out looking to defend. Didn't teams in the past look to play Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib defensively? Did that stop them from doing their thing?

I am not sold on Amir's new ball skills, yes he swings the ball but it is only for a max of 1-2 overs, but whats the point if you cant get wickets?

 

[Savak]

If we are talking about new ball bowling skills. Usman Shinwari is known for his prodigious swing. Mohammad Abbas can seam the new ball. Not sure why hasn't Abbas gotten a look in for ODI's yet.

 

[Usman Chadda]

If we are talking about new ball bowling skills. Usman Shinwari is known for his prodigious swing. Mohammad Abbas can seam the new ball. Not sure why hasn't Abbas gotten a look in for ODI's yet.

Abbas will be another Bhuvneshwar Kumar. Doesn't have the pace for LOI cricket

 

[silentkiller187]

If we are talking about new ball bowling skills. Usman Shinwari is known for his prodigious swing. Mohammad Abbas can seam the new ball. Not sure why hasn't Abbas gotten a look in for ODI's yet.

Abbas just got taken to the cleaners by 3rd rate English domestic batsmen. Lacks the fielding also, dropped a sitter. Pak should keep him for test match cricket.

 

[TeamPak95]

I get the feeling Amir will tear it up in the Asia Cup

 

[ads101]

If we are talking about new ball bowling skills. Usman Shinwari is known for his prodigious swing. Mohammad Abbas can seam the new ball. Not sure why hasn't Abbas gotten a look in for ODI's yet.

I'd have liked Abbas to have had a shot too. But the fact is mainly we've been introducing bowlers who aren't great with the new ball. Raees, Junaid, Rahat Ali all guys who can't really bowl well with the new ball. Hence Amir's got a bit of a free pass.

I'm excited with Shinwari but really he should have been given more chances by now.

 

[Abdul]

Because they're GOOD bowlers - Amir is overhyped to the moon and he is garbage.

"Next Wasim Akram" my foot.

 

[Sirris]

Let's compile all the scientific arguments:

- The opposition batsmen are afraid of him and play against him cautiously, while trying to score runs against other bowlers hence why they also end up losing their wicket to them.

- No bowler would be the same after 5 years of no cricket. He needs more time and will come good.

- The ODI cricket has changed from 5 years ago and Amir knows that. In an era of 400+ runs it is very vital to not leak runs and Amir is fullifing that role brilliantly.

- 19 catches have been dropped since his return.

- He keeps his best for big moments. Big players don't bother about JAMODIs. We all know his worth, cometh the hour cometh the man.

- His bowling partners leak all the pressure which he creates hence the venom isn't there. We need to bring back Asif and then we will see the real Amir.

- He is the best bowler we have in the country and everyone knows that. We shouldn't bother with his consistent non-performance because he performed in a final a year ago.

- The fielders have dropped 27 catches since his return.

- Amir is just sticking to the team plans and the instructions given to him by the coaches. We need to let him lose free and allow him to unleash himself.

- The cricket balls have changed since his bans. It's the low quality balls who are at fault.

- Amir doesn't want other bowlers around him to feel imitated by his stature hence why he is letting them have the small fishes while he goes for the big whales.

- Amir has been cursed by a diety for his corrupt act.

- And don't forget around 38 catches have been dropped off his bowling in this year alone.

 

[Savak]

Let's compile all the scientific arguments:

- The opposition batsmen are afraid of him and play against him cautiously, while trying to score runs against other bowlers hence why they also end up losing their wicket to them.

- No bowler would be the same after 5 years of no cricket. He needs more time and will come good.

- The ODI cricket has changed from 5 years ago and Amir knows that. In an era of 400+ runs it is very vital to not leak runs and Amir is fullifing that role brilliantly.

- 19 catches have been dropped since his return.

- He keeps his best for big moments. Big players don't bother about JAMODIs. We all know his worth, cometh the hour cometh the man.

- His bowling partners leak all the pressure which he creates hence the venom isn't there. We need to bring back Asif and then we will see the real Amir.

- He is the best bowler we have in the country and everyone knows that. We shouldn't bother with his consistent non-performance because he performed in a final a year ago.

- The fielders have dropped 27 catches since his return.

- Amir is just sticking to the team plans and the instructions given to him by the coaches. We need to let him lose free and allow him to unleash himself.

- The cricket balls have changed since his bans. It's the low quality balls who are at fault.

- Amir doesn't want other bowlers around him to feel imitated by his stature hence why he is letting them have the small fishes while he goes for the big whales.

- Amir has been cursed by a diety for his corrupt act.

- And don't forget around 38 catches have been dropped off his bowling in this year alone.

As if the other bowlers don't have the same problems

 

[Sirris]

Amir has been a consistent non-performer for a while now and the heat is rightly on him.

What you say? Amir performs in finals?

Well how are we so sure about us even making it to a tournament's finals when the main bowler has a habit of not picking up wickets? Picking up wickets is a bowlers main job no matter how much you bend it.

20 Zimbabweans wickers were picked up in the first 2 ODIs and Amir had only one of them to his name. A moment comes where you have to draw a line and this is one of those.

Look consistent good performances should be given more importance than once in a while breathtaking performances. If you are consistently good you are most likely going to be good when the big stage arrives. If the guy isn't motivated enough drop him for a while and invest in newer promising options. Drop him for like 5 consecutive matches. At least some consequence to serve as a wake-up call.

 

[Sirris]

As if the other bowlers don't have the same problems

Scientifically they don't.

 

[waleed88]

Amir has been a consistent non-performer for a while now and the heat is rightly on him.

What you say? Amir performs in finals?

Well how are we so sure about us even making it to a tournament's finals when the main bowler has a habit of not picking up wickets? Picking up wickets is a bowlers main job no matter how much you bend it.

20 Zimbabweans wickers were picked up in the first 2 ODIs and Amir had only one of them to his name. A moment comes where you have to draw a line and this is one of those.

Look consistent good performances should be given more importance than once in a while breathtaking performances. If you are consistently good you are most likely going to be good when the big stage arrives. If the guy isn't motivated enough drop him for a while and invest in newer promising options. Drop him for like 5 consecutive matches. At least some consequence to serve as a wake-up call.

I am surprised by this stat, I was hoping Amir would really rake up the numbers against this team, I can't believe we are still having the same conversation on Amir and its 2018...

 

[Sirris]

I am surprised by this stat, I was hoping Amir would really rake up the numbers against this team, I can't believe we are still having the same conversation on Amir and its 2018...

I am tired of the conversation too that's why I think the he needs to be dropped for a while for his own sake. This kind of a non-performance must have an effect on anyone's mental health and confidence.

 

[New Yorker]

Its all to do with motivation with him. Just recently in the match against Australia, he took 3 wickets. He has a very poor attitude for a bowler but thats how it is.

That was a T20, a format in which he is also far from the best, but one in which his value is easier to understand.

Let's not pretend that he fails to perform because the matches are not important, only against minnows, and all that blah blah.

He was a passanger for half the CT trophy, and would not have had a chance to impress in the final had not Hasan and Junaid dragged us there.

He was useless during the New Zealand campaign. In a country made for fast bowling, where Hasan Ali managed to take 3 wickets twice, in 4 matches, Amir took a grand total of 2 measly wickets.

Now let's be honest with ourselves.

Do we think that the New Zealand series did not matter? Would Pakistani not have liked to win at least a couple ODIs during that tourney? Do we care about no 1 rankings only in T20s?

Set in proper historical context, Amir's complete lack of penetration during the Zimbabwe series does not make sense as a problem of motivation. It is merely the natural continuation of an ODI career in which he averages close to 30, and has never taken a 5fer, his best haul being 4 wickets against Lanka back in 2009. Compare to Hasan, or Shinwari. The fact of the matter is that Amir is an inconsistent ODI bowler who will be a liability for at least part of any lengthy ODI tournament, e.g WC. Yes he is has performed in some big moments, but he does not perform in ALL big moments.

 

[New Yorker]

Absolutely!

Amir is a big match player, none of the other bowlers have accomplished, what he has for Pakistan.

Secondly, teams usually know how big of a threat he is and avoid taking risks against him. Just an assumption though.

Hasan was bowler of the tournament in the CT trophy. Junaid was the second highest wicket taker.

 

[786pk]

Bottom line is that Amir has to start performing or he will be replaced very soon. Guys sitting on the bench are raring to go.

 

[munirnadeem]

I hate this star culture. I really thought that getting rid of the seniors was the move to ensure this does not happen again. It is a privilage to play and some specific person to decide on which ones he will perform and which ones he wont.

Also people got to realize there were some backroom deals then zimbabwe visited us last, you can assume the deal was a full force squad and non of this team b or c squads.

Also pcb is going about this correct we will need Zimbabwe and smaller boards to come play before the big ones comes to our home.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Bottom line is that Amir has to start performing or he will be replaced very soon. Guys sitting on the bench are raring to go.

I agree.I defended Amir for too long.If he is not motivated in some matches he should not play at all.

 

[Sunny_majoka]

Because he not give his 100 % all they time always look like somebody is forcing him to play the match.

 

[Ummii]

Although I'm Amir's fan but I'd hate to say that He's done.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

For all those saying Amir isn't good enough, kindly watch the recent ENG series again and decide for yourselves who was the most threatening PAK bowler there.

Like I said before the ENG series, let Asia Cup start and these same people will be hiding their faces.

 

[super hitter]

Hasan was bowler of the tournament in the CT trophy. Junaid was the second highest wicket taker.

What about Amir's performance in the finale? Ingore?

 

[Stewie]

Looking at this thread, it’s ridiculous how some people have their own favorites and they have to really destroy and/or malign others to make their favorite look good. I am seeing comments here that make it sound like shinwari and junaid are club bowlers or something. Abbas shouldn’t even be a club bowler and etc etc etc. or that Amir needs to be dropped for a few games..

Guys please be reasonable, that’s all I am going to say. All our bowlers have performed well and are definitely of international quality. Everybody has bad patches. Let’s not insult our own players, please!

 

[ManFan]

It’s like asking why would Lebron James be sluggish against a high-school basketball team.

There are levels to this.

And Amir is at a certain tier whether the people crying in this or every other Amir-Sucks-Now Thread care or wish to accept.

 

[Savak]

Amir cant even clean up the tail to save his life. Atleast one can bet their bottom dollar over the likes of Hasan Ali and Usman Shinwari hitting the stumps at the death. That is how pathetic Amir is on average.

 

[New Yorker]

What about Amir's performance in the finale? Ingore?

No, I wrote in response to your claim that no other player has accomplished what Amir has accomplished. Which, presumably, is to bowl a match winning spell in a major ICC final. And this is true.

But likewise, Hasan Ali and Junaid have done what Amir has not. Which is to take Pakistan to an ICC final by consistently taking heaps of wickets in a series of matches. Without them we wouldn't have reached the final.

In the final analysis, over the long run, it seems clear Hasan is the better ODI bowler; and I think Shinwari will turn out to be better than Amir too.

 

[Syed1]

Amir cant even clean up the tail to save his life. Atleast one can bet their bottom dollar over the likes of Hasan Ali and Usman Shinwari hitting the stumps at the death. That is how pathetic Amir is on average.

For someone who is a massive fan of an underachieving never-been like Shehzad you sure have a lot of expectations from Amir who by the way has been instrumental in both of Pakistan's tournament wins in the last 10 years. Something that Shehzad cannot achieve even if he had five tries per innings.

 

[pakistani pride]

For someone who is a massive fan of an underachieving never-been like Shehzad you sure have a lot of expectations from Amir who by the way has been instrumental in both of Pakistan's tournament wins in the last 10 years. Something that Shehzad cannot achieve even if he had five tries per innings.

Funny thing is that Ahmed Shezad played both times in the opening game, WORLD T20 in 2009 and CT 2017. It was only after he got dropped we started winning

who can back such players

 

[Abdullah719]

Funny thing is that Ahmed Shezad played both times in the opening game, WORLD T20 in 2009 and CT 2017. It was only after he got dropped we started winning

who can back such players

I hope he plays the first match of the 2019 World Cup

 

[Usman Chadda]

Didn't Amir pick up three wickets vs Australia in the T20 final recently?

 

[Savak]

For someone who is a massive fan of an underachieving never-been like Shehzad you sure have a lot of expectations from Amir who by the way has been instrumental in both of Pakistan's tournament wins in the last 10 years. Something that Shehzad cannot achieve even if he had five tries per innings.

I know, expecting someone to pick up atleast 1-2 wickets per game is too much.

 

[kingusama92]

He definitely needs to step up his game.

However, I would note this has a lot to do with a fan's expectation of his role. If you look at him as a regular ODI bowler, he's reasonably economical in the PP overs. There are the odd games he goes for runs but things are pretty much tightened up when he bowls. This allows the others a bit of freedom to take wickets and bowl attacking lengths later on.

The criticism is certainly warranted and shouldn't be brushed aside. I rate Amir but can't back him using something as simplistic as "lacking motivation" especially while I criticize Sarfraz's fitness. You need players that are 100% all the time. You can't let players get too comfortable and it's clear the ones who are cozy tend to perform inconsistently in Pakistani cricket.

 

[ExplicitAI]

I personally think it's fatigue that's kicking in, the hunger is definitely there but I saw a thread somewhere which said that Amir has bowled lots of overs compared to other bowlers in cricket in a certain period of time. I can't remember which T20 series (or ODI series) it was but he didn't play the earlier games except for the last one, in which he took 3-4 wickets. I think he needs to stay on the bench for a while so he can rest a bit and someone did mention his action looks a bit loose which is definitely due to fatigue. Best thing is to boost Junaid's wicket tally since he's been injury prone for his whole career, a bit unfortunate since he's a good talent.

 

[Savak]

He definitely needs to step up his game.

However, I would note this has a lot to do with a fan's expectation of his role. If you look at him as a regular ODI bowler, he's reasonably economical in the PP overs. There are the odd games he goes for runs but things are pretty much tightened up when he bowls. This allows the others a bit of freedom to take wickets and bowl attacking lengths later on.

The criticism is certainly warranted and shouldn't be brushed aside. I rate Amir but can't back him using something as simplistic as "lacking motivation" especially while I criticize Sarfraz's fitness. You need players that are 100% all the time. You can't let players get too comfortable and it's clear the ones who are cozy tend to perform inconsistently in Pakistani cricket.

Hence the feeling that Amir is the Zulfiqar Babar of medium/fast bowling is justified.

 

[Titan24]

Mohammad Amir against Eng in 1st test (Eng 2nd innings)

For Amir's bowling start from 2:00

 

[Savak]

Mohammad Amir against Eng in 1st test (Eng 2nd innings)

For Amir's bowling start from 2:00

This is like saying a batsman should go missing in 9 games out of 10 as he scores in a big game.

 

[giri26]

The best thing for Mohammad Amir to do is be rested for the whole tournament and just make an appearance in the finals. Since he only performs in the finals or the knockouts, no need for him to play all the other games disinterested. In the meanwhile others who actually want to perform every game get a chance to play and then the superstar can come in for the finals and do his magic to win the games for Pakistan. The performances of others getting Pakistan to finals will be forgotten because the genial bowler gets 2-3 wickets in the final.

 

[hussain.r97]

He bowls a very defensive length, it is hard to get wickets like that. He is always economical because he doesn't seem willing to pitch the ball up, get it to swing, and attack the stumps. The reason someone like Hasan Ali is so successful is because he is willing to take the risk of pitching the ball up and attacking the stumps, even if it means he gets hit for a couple of boundaries.

 

[Hawkeye]

Unless Mamoon has hacked your profile, this is a moot post. Bowlers who take wickets will always be looked more favorably vis a vis those bowlers who don't pick up wickets

Who the wickets are against, at what stage, and how they're taken matter.

Umar Gul and Dinda have plenty of wickets too. It's about bowling gun barrel straight with no ability to swing or significantly seam much.

 

[Slim]

Who the wickets are against, at what stage, and how they're taken matter.

Umar Gul and Dinda have plenty of wickets too. It's about bowling gun barrel straight with no ability to swing or significantly seam much.

Its about bowling fully with swinging the ball with the new ball keeping an attacking line - thats what junaid has done since his comeback.

 

[Savak]

Who the wickets are against, at what stage, and how they're taken matter.

Umar Gul and Dinda have plenty of wickets too. It's about bowling gun barrel straight with no ability to swing or significantly seam much.

Amir can't even get wickets at the death or in the middle overs. Oh and Junaid picked up one wicket and Usman Shinwari picked up 2 wickets today yet again

 

[Hawkeye]

Its about bowling fully with swinging the ball with the new ball keeping an attacking line - thats what junaid has done since his comeback.

He hasn't.

Amir can't even get wickets at the death or in the middle overs. Oh and Junaid picked up one wicket and Usman Shinwari picked up 2 wickets today yet again

Doesn't matter what wickets were taken today.

Junaid/Shinwari will fail at the world cup, Junaid already has failed in EVERY major tournament he has played, even when he was at his PEAK.

At his peak, he badly failed in the champions trophy as well. Amir WON you the CT.

Difference in class is so much that I wouldn't discuss Junaid/Shinwari as comparable to Amir.

 

[Madplayer]

He hasn't.



Doesn't matter what wickets were taken today.

Junaid/Shinwari will fail at the world cup, Junaid already has failed in EVERY major tournament he has played, even when he was at his PEAK.

At his peak, he badly failed in the champions trophy as well. Amir WON you the CT.

Difference in class is so much that I wouldn't discuss Junaid/Shinwari as comparable to Amir.

Junaid was in the CT world XI. He was the second best bowler from Pakistan in CT 2017.

 

[Savak]

Junaid was in the CT world XI. He was the second best bowler from Pakistan in CT 2017.

To be honest, Amir feeds off the pressure that Junaid creates at the other end. Junaid can leak runs but he atleast picks up wickets and that I don't mind. ODI's and T-20's ultimately are all about taking wickets, economy will not help you much beyond a certain point.

 

[Hasan123]

Amir should bowl a more attacking length

 

[Couch Cricketer]

We all talk about amir's lack of wickets but never hear much about this lack from Micky or Sarfaraz. As despite not taking wickets he usually is still able to stop the runs from one end which is very important for T20 and Odi in this era of high scoring games. His lack of wickets hurts us most in test cricket from which I think he should be dropped but for ODI and T20 he is still good but his place is not safe and he should be lower in the pecking order.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

He hasn't.



Doesn't matter what wickets were taken today.

Junaid/Shinwari will fail at the world cup, Junaid already has failed in EVERY major tournament he has played, even when he was at his PEAK.

At his peak, he badly failed in the champions trophy as well. Amir WON you the CT.

Difference in class is so much that I wouldn't discuss Junaid/Shinwari as comparable to Amir.

Did Junaid fail in CT 17? If it weren't for Hasan and Junaid, we wouldn't have gotten to the CT final in the first place.
WT2014 he only got to play one match which was already a lost cause when he came in to bowl.
Wasn't picked for 2012 WT20 or WC15
The only blemish he has is CT13

If you see, Amir failed miserably in Wt20 16 as well.

 

[SuperMo18]

Amirs lack of wickets is a concern but he usually comes through in big match situations, such as champions trophy. Usman i think is perfectly suited to partner amir to open the bowling because he hits the deck hard, and a part of why Amir’s opening partner gets wickets is the scoring pressure amir applies from one side, usually very economical bowling. When it comes to Hassan and even faheem, i think their wicket taking is based on a different way of attacking the batsmen, usually these guys come on in the middle overs with more fielder support, and due to their variations, they can get batsmen out by changing the pace and such as the batsman attempts to score. Also hassans bowl skids on and is tricky when his variations are working. Faheem on the other hand can also swing and change the pace, working with azhar mahmood is obviously very beneficial to him and after his season with waqar younis at IU, he has added a good yorker to his arsenal as well. Although we would all like to see amir get wickets more often, he applies pressure that usually net us early wickets in one way or another.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

It could be due to three reasons
1. He isn't the same bowler he was back in 2009-10.
2. He doesn't give his best in all the matches due to fitness and/or lack of motivation.
3. The teams tend to play him out rather than take him on now.

1. The likeliest. He way really quick, was bowling at high 140s and even 150s, swinging consistently, especially his late swing was deadly. After a gap of over 5 years, he may not be the same bowler he once was.

2. The reason for him being not motivated can be traced with the fact that he is asking for managing his workload for over a year now. In this year 2018, he had only played 4 ODI's, 4 T20is and 3 Tests in 6 months and yet was asking for rest for this tour. Comparing his workload with other bowlers like Rabada, Bhuvneshwar, Boult, Cummins, Holder, his workload is very little.
The reason for his fitness can be real thing, as he gives better performances when he is coming after rest. If that is the problem, he needs to pay careful attention to his fitness. Plus his performances in T20is which require least amount of fitness have been pretty good since last 1 year.
If it's because of lack of motivation, he needs to be told how lucky he is to be able to representing his country and his second chance which many others might crave. Playing for your country is an honor and not a right. It indicates extremely poor attitude if true.

3. The teams do tend to play him out rather than take him on, plus the ODI game has changed a lot and he has become a lot more defensive, tends to bowl too short and gives the batters not much width so they can score off him easily, but on the same front, he doesn't pitch it full enough to get a chance to create a nick or find the pads or stumps. This is something Azhar Mahmood has been pretty vocal about in a way that he has been pleading with his bowlers to bowl fuller lengths in Tests.

 

[UN talkz]

Wicketless again

40 dot balls in 8 overs

 

[Savak]

Wicketless again

40 dot balls in 8 overs

Lol that wicket he got was more due to the brilliance of the fielder rather than his own bowling

 

[Savak]

Yet again Amir wicketless

 

[Savak]

Our fast bowling version of Zulfiqar Babar

 

[Salman4.]

"He knows when to perform". "He is playing cricket after 5 years". xD

 

[Slim]

I would play Junaid instea of him but Indians are always scared of him so better to play him for India match as well. On the other hand, i geniunely think we should play Junaid instead of Faheem against India.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Has lost some pace. Swing is there but is not as prodigous or late as it used to be 8 years back. He is pretty much a defensive bowler now seldom going for runs even though he will continue to be spectacular in T20is as he can land killing blows there still.
I have to say this with a heavy heart that his good spells like CT17 final will be few and far between now.