Why does England always get away with their wild experiments but BCCI always received flak for IPL

[Bewal Express]

We are good at copying stuff. I am sure you know that pretty well. If The Hundred gets any success we will be the first ones to copy that as well. As I said earlier, we never experiment and invent in cricket, it is England's job to do that. If some experiments don't work they will be the first ones to get rid off them.

I don't mind that, it's the way of the world but the least the op could do is to acknowledge that. I assume the op doesn't live in the UK, but cricket amongst the young is dying. Anecdotally around 95% of young people would find it difficult to name a single English cricketer

 

[cricketjoshila]

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] You can keep making this about Pakistan vs. India all you want. But if you actually bothered to read my posts without your nationalist 3D glasses on, you would know that this isn't about Pakistan. Pakistan is only one small point among a much larger set of points.

Now I'm not gonna bother repeating everything I have already said because frankly its a waste of time and energy. But just don't expect people who aren't Indian to laud the BCCI as the savior of cricket and not the sleazy gangster/mob boss that it actually is.

As i said, pakistanis like you hate the BCCI, for obvious reasons. It being the Indian board and Pakistanis being banned from IPL are the major reasons.

Ofcourse you suddenly want it look like all non indians hate BCCI.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Forefathers of Pakistan (and India) have had a clear policy towards Israel since 1800s.

BCCI does whatever it suits them. Why not put their mouth where there money is, why do India play Pakistan in ICC tournaments, or field hockey or even Kabaddi?

It is called hypocrisy and malign intentions.

Please keep it to pakistan and not India.

When was the last time Indian team played pakistan in any bilateral hockey, cricket or kabaddi series?

Multi lateral tournament boycotts effect other teams as well. Also why give pakistan free points? Boycott is to protest not to help pakistan.

 

[Rajdeep]

Each country has every right to create its formats for its markets. The fact is that all formats started in England and the Indians like everyone else have just copied them. Lets see Ind come up with something original rather than just moan

Think thats a wrong way of looking at things. Yes T20 cricket, like all cricket started in England but it was popularized with the league format in India. First in ICL and then BCCI launched IPL.

The subsequent leagues like PSL, BPL, SLPL, CPL etc are actual copy cats. They have copied everything from IPL - eliminator, fairplay awards, catchphrases even some of the jersey colours. All these boards should have done some innovation like The hundred and not blindly followed IPL

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

As i said, pakistanis like you hate the BCCI, for obvious reasons. It being the Indian board and Pakistanis being banned from IPL are the major reasons.

Ofcourse you suddenly want it look like all non indians hate BCCI.

Well you are welcome to continue believing your delusions. I have absolutely no problem with that.

But at the very least you should stop believing that most Pakistanis even care the slightest about the IPL. Maybe they did once, but now we have the PSL and even people who don't watch cricket watch the PSL here. IPL on the other hand is not even broadcasted in Pakistan.

As for the BCCI, they are hypocrites because their own stance towards Pakistan is contradictory. If they were really serious about their animus towards Pakistan they would boycott Pakistan in all ICC tournaments, not find ways to arrange Pakistan vs. India matches in every ICC tournament knowing that match will be the most watched match of the tournament.

And if you want to get a small idea about how hated the BCCI is by non-Indians, all you have to do is watch the documentary Death of A Gentleman, its readily available on Netflix. The funny thing is that this documentary is from 2015 but the level to which it exposes BCCI for the rotten and corrupt cesspool it is is remarkable. I can only imagine what a sequel to this documentary would look like.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Think thats a wrong way of looking at things. Yes T20 cricket, like all cricket started in England but it was popularized with the league format in India. First in ICL and then BCCI launched IPL.

The subsequent leagues like PSL, BPL, SLPL, CPL etc are actual copy cats. They have copied everything from IPL - eliminator, fairplay awards, catchphrases even some of the jersey colours. All these boards should have done some innovation like The hundred and not blindly followed IPL

Lol may be you are not aware but cricket was already popular in India and that is why Subhash Chandra dared to go against BCCI and started his mickey mouse league which then BCCI copied. Because BCCI were backed by ICC it was easier for them to eliminate ICL which was then seen as anti indian.

 

[Rajdeep]

Lol may be you are not aware but cricket was already popular in India and that is why Subhash Chandra dared to go against BCCI and started his mickey mouse league which then BCCI copied. Because BCCI were backed by ICC it was easier for them to eliminate ICL which was then seen as anti indian.

Think you missed the point. What I meant was even though T20 was invented in England in 2005, no one really cared about it. IPL gave it a league format and made it popular around the world. So to say BCCI copied IPL from England is factually incorrect. Yes like all cricket, T20s was also invented in England but India added more meaning to it by giving it a league format which other boards copy pasted.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Please keep it to pakistan and not India.

When was the last time Indian team played pakistan in any bilateral hockey, cricket or kabaddi series?

Multi lateral tournament boycotts effect other teams as well. Also why give pakistan free points? Boycott is to protest not to help pakistan.

And here I thought India had noble and legitimate reasons to 'boycott' and 'isolate' Pakistan...


"Free points" shouldn't stop India.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

I never understood this either. This is indeed pure hypocrisy from BCCI and also some fans who enjoy watching these matches.

It is India's right to play or not play Pakistan.

But what annoys is when BCCI treat the whole matter in a political manner whenever it suits BCCI.

Amount of power and resources BCCI has had since IPL is unprecedented, at least to my limited knowledge.

And what have they done with for the great game? And before BCCI defenders say that "it is not BCCI's job to look after others" let me remind that Cricket, its lore, great players, matches of past times, heroes, villains etc. is no country's exclusive property, it is whole cricketing world's shared property. For example, SRT scored 100 100s because he played against opponents and was given an opportunity to shine.

If BCCI can fill their pockets and cash out then they should also have the dignity and moral duty to give back.

ECB will always be a better and ethical board than BCCI, for this reason in particular.

Cricket's death/decline should be blamed on injust administration, especially BCCI.

 

[UzmanBeast]

Look.

To me, this "The Hundred" just seems like a way for England to gain some relevancy in terms of T20 Leagues, a market which they know they haven't tapped into.

IPL, PSL, and all the other leagues are far, far ahead of England, and they are now starting to see how much revenue they could capture if they can get a league of their own.

They tried their Vitality Blast if I'm not mistaken, and it failed miserably.

They are hoping that the concept of "The Hundred" will add something new to what is ultimately just another T20 league with a few fewer deliveries.

It may seem interesting at first, but I don't even think most world class players would want to stress over an entirely new format of the game.

Given that the ICC has a very strong influence from BCCI, I doubt that they will ever try and make this into a format in the future.

Sure, it will give England a few cheap points for "creativity", but ultimately, I personally believe that it won't captivate enough of an audience from the subcontinent.

You can call me out later on if it becomes very good, but it will flop in my opinion.

BTW:

If Pakistan's cricket administration can make the necessary improvements to the PSL and use the revenue to invest in our own cricket, it will help us become very financially solid. At the end of the day, every board has to help their own cricket survive and thrive. It is the power of money, save yourself first before saving others, that is if you even want to save others. As long as Pakistan keeps investing in its own cricket infrastructure, we will be able to produce one good player here and there, which will be good for us. I'll predict that by PSL 8, we will have a lot more internationally recognized players signing up for the drafts, especially after England, Australia, and New Zealand tour.

 

[cricketjoshila]

And here I thought India had noble and legitimate reasons to 'boycott' and 'isolate' Pakistan...


"Free points" shouldn't stop India.

Boycott isnt to help pakistan. If boycott helps pakistan, then whats the point of boycott?

 

[cricketjoshila]

It is India's right to play or not play Pakistan.

But what annoys is when BCCI treat the whole matter in a political manner whenever it suits BCCI.

Amount of power and resources BCCI has had since IPL is unprecedented, at least to my limited knowledge.

And what have they done with for the great game? And before BCCI defenders say that "it is not BCCI's job to look after others" let me remind that Cricket, its lore, great players, matches of past times, heroes, villains etc. is no country's exclusive property, it is whole cricketing world's shared property. For example, SRT scored 100 100s because he played against opponents and was given an opportunity to shine.

If BCCI can fill their pockets and cash out then they should also have the dignity and moral duty to give back.

ECB will always be a better and ethical board than BCCI, for this reason in particular.

Cricket's death/decline should be blamed on injust administration, especially BCCI.

It is not BCCI's moral duty to give to other boards. This is not a charity event. I am not surprised that one of our neighbors think that they are entitled to get this kind of charity.

 

[Bewal Express]

Think thats a wrong way of looking at things. Yes T20 cricket, like all cricket started in England but it was popularized with the league format in India. First in ICL and then BCCI launched IPL.

The subsequent leagues like PSL, BPL, SLPL, CPL etc are actual copy cats. They have copied everything from IPL - eliminator, fairplay awards, catchphrases even some of the jersey colours. All these boards should have done some innovation like The hundred and not blindly followed IPL

The T20 in England was very popular and that's why it was copied. You could argue the franchise Model is the BCCI adaptation.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

It is not BCCI's moral duty to give to other boards. This is not a charity event. I am not surprised that one of our neighbors think that they are entitled to get this kind of charity.

Entitled as ever.

 

[Sycamore]

I dont know why, but England seems to make everything a bit more professional, innovative and fun, whereas india just copies exactly what other people had and then basically shuts them down so they can't even compete (anyone remember ICL?)

Also maybe to do with the fact that the English are not discriminating based on anyone's background, country, religion and allowing everyone to be selected.

 

[krikit]

There can be no denial that there are some incredibly cringe moments in the IPL that just make you want to drown in your couch and that is in the present IPL which is infinitely better than the SONY IPL. The ugly VIVO fan wall, the hopelessly incompetent chook chook express flash mob in the stands, the all white cheerleaders, 90% of the commercials, the cringe commentators ughhhh.

IPL is not a perfect product by any means but the quality of cricket esp. from the 2019 season has absolutely solid. I think most people who give it a fair look will come around to it. Its got more popular overseas now than ever before and if we remove the cringetopia from it, I see it becoming a serious global sporting event.

 

[SangasCoverDrive]

ECB needs to be called out for their mockery of cricket.

 

[Saj]

It will be interesting to see how long the Hundred lasts.

There's a lot of marketing behind it, big names really pushing it, lots of people desperate for it to succeed.

But at the end of the day, if the fans don't take to it, it won't last.

 

[Technics 1210]

BCCI is bricking it. Not only have ECB forbade some of their players from playing in the IPL, but if the 100 ends up being succesful, then the league will pay more than the IPL. Meaning BCCI's financial leverage is down the swanny. Plus who'd want to play in India when they could play in England in multiple conditions and get paid on time.

Plus to users who claim the ECB created the ODI format, do some reading, the ODI format was born out of a rained infested Test match between Eng/Aus that was reduce to a day; ICC gave birth to ODI. Packer decided to take ODI to a new level but failed sadly.

As ever India has followed in the footsteps and subservient shadows of England. Got played the last time, getting played this time round too.

 

[Mesozoic]

BCCI is bricking it. Not only have ECB forbade some of their players from playing in the IPL, but if the 100 ends up being succesful, then the league will pay more than the IPL. Meaning BCCI's financial leverage is down the swanny. Plus who'd want to play in India when they could play in England in multiple conditions and get paid on time.

Plus to users who claim the ECB created the ODI format, do some reading, the ODI format was born out of a rained infested Test match between Eng/Aus that was reduce to a day; ICC gave birth to ODI. Packer decided to take ODI to a new level but failed sadly.

As ever India has followed in the footsteps and subservient shadows of England. Got played the last time, getting played this time round too.

This whole post looks more like a wishlist of an Indophobic pakistani than the reality.

It's funny and honestly sad at the same time.

 

[Mesozoic]

The 100 will never be able to match IPL payslips especially for top tier players. Cricketing market in the UK is too small and the appeal for the tournament among SC fans is pretty low due to weird time zones and conflicting int'l schedules. Meaning brands won't be lining up as they do for the IPL...

"Optimists" like Technics 1210 should keep their expectations in check regards this tournament or it'll end up just like it did in the case of PSL where it was supposed to overtake IPL after 4-5 seasons and end BCCI's dominance.

 

[street cricketer]

BCCI is bricking it. Not only have ECB forbade some of their players from playing in the IPL, but if the 100 ends up being succesful, then the league will pay more than the IPL. Meaning BCCI's financial leverage is down the swanny. Plus who'd want to play in India when they could play in England in multiple conditions and get paid on time.

Plus to users who claim the ECB created the ODI format, do some reading, the ODI format was born out of a rained infested Test match between Eng/Aus that was reduce to a day; ICC gave birth to ODI. Packer decided to take ODI to a new level but failed sadly.

As ever India has followed in the footsteps and subservient shadows of England. Got played the last time, getting played this time round too.

Two things:

1. The first ODI was indeed played in Australia due to a rain marred test. But domestic one day cricket matches between various counties had been regularly played in England from the early 1960s in domestic competitions organised by the ECB. Have a read..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friends_Provident_Trophy

2. The Hundred might become popular with the fans in England or it might not, that's debatable. But it can never eclipse the IPL in terms of popularity and revenues unless the population of England suddenly expands to more than a billion overnight.

 

[Technics 1210]

Think about it folks. The only attraction to the IPL is money, not skills. If IPL provided the skill base for a player to develop then India would've atleast won one WT20 since the IPL was inaugurated, but India has not. Tamasha league all round.

The 100, if successful, will provide the perfect platform for a player to develop skills, in challenging and alternating conditions in England. Perfect timing for summer touring sides too.

It's a fact, look it up, the best of the best (and I include Indian players) had English county stints in the 70s, 80s, and 90s.

Add to this the money; paid on time, watertight contracts, it's a no brainer; 100 over the IPL.

I think it's time for the fair and lovely IPL cheerleaders to update their CVs.

BCCI just got pistol-whipped by the ECB and they they know it, hence the reaction from IPL apologists.

Bless.

 

[Technics 1210]

Two things:

1. The first ODI was indeed played in Australia due to a rain marred test. But domestic one day cricket matches between various counties had been regularly played in England from the early 1960s in domestic competitions organised by the ECB. Have a read..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friends_Provident_Trophy

2. The Hundred might become popular with the fans in England or it might not, that's debatable. But it can never eclipse the IPL in terms of popularity and revenues unless the population of England suddenly expands to more than a billion overnight.

Of course IPL is popular. 1.3 BILLION Indian natives make up the domestic IPL viewership, however, popularity isn't proportionate to quality. Fact.