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Please can anyone let me know why India plays its first game after everyone else has already played their second game?

Am I mistaken?
 
Please can anyone let me know why India plays its first game after everyone else has already played their second game?

Am I mistaken?

Ok lets cut to the chase, shall we?

Are we smelling a controversy here?
 
Ok lets cut to the chase, shall we?


Are we smelling a controversy here?

No controversy. According to one of the Lodha committee recommendations Indian cricket team cannot play any international matches after IPL completion for two weeks. This is to force some rest between IPL and international commitments
 
Need break from IPL and also to allow to make observations from the performance of other teams
 
Ok lets cut to the chase, shall we?

Are we smelling a controversy here?

Honestly I thought I would settle down to watch some cricket without knowing which game was on today...
Was hoping to watch India play but was pleasantly surprised to see two games on st the same time but neither games involved India...

So checked schedule on Cricinfo fully expecting India to be playing tomorrow, knowing that Pakistan Vs Rngland game is on Monday and there is no way the hosts could be playing two games before India has even played its first game... didn’t seem right so had to check further just to make sure India hadn’t pulled out for some reason...

So as it stands every team would have played twice before India even plays its first game. They will therefore have extra time to prepare, have a game in hand over the rest and it just doesn’t seem right in a tournament especially one as big as the worldcup...
 
No controversy. According to one of the Lodha committee recommendations Indian cricket team cannot play any international matches after IPL completion for two weeks. This is to force some rest between IPL and international commitments

The International Cricket Council today confirmed ICC Cricket World Cup 2019 fixtures of two-time world champions India, who will play their nine league matches in six cities from 5 June to 6 July in the 10-team tournament which will run from 30 May to 14 July across 11 venues in England and Wales.

If India top or finish fourth in the 10-team table, then they will play in the first semi-final at Old Trafford on 9 July. In the scenario of India finishing second or third in the points table, they will feature in the second semi-final at Edgbaston on 11 July.

India will begin their campaign a week after the start of the ICC’s pinnacle 50-over tournament following Lodha Commission’s recommendation which requires a 15-day window between the last IPL match and the first international fixture. As the final of IPL 2019 will be held on 19 May, the earliest India can play in the World Cup is on 5 June when they will go head to head with South Africa at Hampshire Bowl in Southampton.

India will then travel to London where they will square off against defending champions Australia at The Oval on 9 June, while Trent Bridge in Nottingham will be the stage of their third league match against New Zealand on 13 June.

In a repeat of the ICC Champions Trophy 2017 final, India will take on traditional rivals Pakistan at Old Trafford in Manchester on 16 June, while they will return to Southampton to play Afghanistan on 22 June. India will be back at Old Trafford for their sixth league match against the Windies, which will be played on 27 June.

Edgbaston in Birmingham will host India’s matches against England and Bangladesh on 30 June and 2 July, respectively, while their ninth and last league match will be at Headingley, Leeds, against Sri Lanka on 6 July.

India are presently the number-one ranked ODI side in the world and third most successful team in World Cup history behind Australia and South Africa. They enjoy a success percentage of 62.16 as they have played a total of 75 matches since 1975, and have won 46 matches and lost 27. Their one match was tied, while on was a no-result.

Apart from winning the 1983 and 2011 World Cups, India lost the 2003 final to Australia and have featured in the semi-finals of the 1987, 1996 and 2015 events, while failing to progress beyond the first round in the 1975, 1979, 1992 and 2007 events.

When the event was last staged in England and Wales in 1999, India had reached the Super Six stage where their only victory was against Pakistan at Old Trafford – their venue for next year’s match.

India schedule of World Cup matches:



5 June – v South Africa, Hampshire Bowl (d)

9 June – v Australia, The Oval (d)

13 June – v New Zealand, Nottingham (d)

16 June – v Pakistan, Old Trafford (d)

22 June – v Afghanistan, Hampshire Bowl (d)

27 June – v Windies, Old Trafford (d)

30 June – v England, Edgbaston (d)

2 July – v Bangladesh, Edgbaston (d)

6 July – v Sri Lanka, Headingley (d)

http://www.bcci.tv/news/2018/news/17288/indias-icc-world-cup-2019-fixtures-announced
 
Honestly I thought I would settle down to watch some cricket without knowing which game was on today...
Was hoping to watch India play but was pleasantly surprised to see two games on st the same time but neither games involved India...

So checked schedule on Cricinfo fully expecting India to be playing tomorrow, knowing that Pakistan Vs Rngland game is on Monday and there is no way the hosts could be playing two games before India has even played its first game... didn’t seem right so had to check further just to make sure India hadn’t pulled out for some reason...

So as it stands every team would have played twice before India even plays its first game. They will therefore have extra time to prepare, have a game in hand over the rest and it just doesn’t seem right in a tournament especially one as big as the worldcup...

Not according to the fixtures.
 
Thanks MenInG...

So India get an advantage due to its domestic tournament...

Cricket as a whole seems to be going the same way as the Pakistan team... down the drain.
 
Thanks MenInG...

So India get an advantage due to its domestic tournament...

Cricket as a whole seems to be going the same way as the Pakistan team... down the drain.

Good for India, I'm glad Australia are not disadvantaged by not spreading out the matches like India have to endure..
 
Gilly you are right.
Sorry. South Africa would have played three games by the time India has played its first.
 
Also if NRR comes into play then India will have an advantage on that too.
 
I see.. so does that apply to all the international players too? The ones that played the IPL?

No that is a recommendation from Indian Lodha committe to provide rest for Indian players. Other countries are free to do so. Many actually left early
 
By the time India starts other teams has played 2 games means other teams had advantage of knowing the conditions, settling with their right combination, getting momentum.. India has many disadvantages than adavatages what others are specifying..
 
Thanks MenInG...

So India get an advantage due to its domestic tournament...

Cricket as a whole seems to be going the same way as the Pakistan team... down the drain.

What advantage? Someone has to play the last match. Actually SA and Australia are playing the last match as that match is day and night and starts after India match start. Pakistan play their last match previous day. India would have either qualified or out by that time.

They infact play the most number of matches in the shortest period of time and expected to face some injuries and burn outs.
 
Advantage of Disadvantage, does that really matter?
Surely every team should be playing around the same amount of games at similar times.

Either the World Cup should have been delayed by a week or IPL should have finished earlier.
 
Honestly I thought I would settle down to watch some cricket without knowing which game was on today...
Was hoping to watch India play but was pleasantly surprised to see two games on st the same time but neither games involved India...

So checked schedule on Cricinfo fully expecting India to be playing tomorrow, knowing that Pakistan Vs Rngland game is on Monday and there is no way the hosts could be playing two games before India has even played its first game... didn’t seem right so had to check further just to make sure India hadn’t pulled out for some reason...

So as it stands every team would have played twice before India even plays its first game. They will therefore have extra time to prepare, have a game in hand over the rest and it just doesn’t seem right in a tournament especially one as big as the worldcup...

I too was expecting India to play today or tomorrow at max since it being Sunday.
 
Is it an advantage? I would say yes. But other teams organised their World Cup camp well before India did. Their players left the IPL early too. So Indians getting a few days extra time is ok, irrespective of what the Lodha committee says. Now I can argue that Pakistan were handed a much greater advantage by allowing them to play a five match ODI series just before World Cup in England, that too against England. That’s a much bigger advantage than getting a few extra days.
 
Amazingly, India's first game on June 5 vs SA is SA's third game of their campaign. On the flip side, India will have less time to recover in between games so not really an advantage.
 
It's because of BCCI regulations, India can't play international cricket for some period after IPL
 
Surely, that also means that India needs to play more games in a shorter period of time as opposed to other teams.

Yes so like I said in another post, the advantages and disadvantages probably equal out.
Thing is this is a World Cup and do many games would have been played by the time India even starts the tournament... this can’t be right, surely?
 
For all i can think, India will be scrappy by the time of first match while others are already warmed up to the tournament. Margin of error will be very less.
 
So they have seen all the pitches and can prepare accordingly.
 
Pakistan has great fixture. Pakistan's last 2 matches are against Afghanistan and Bangladesh. Its can be advantageous to play weaker teams in managing run rate.
 
No controversy. According to one of the Lodha committee recommendations Indian cricket team cannot play any international matches after IPL completion for two weeks. This is to force some rest between IPL and international commitments

And since when did Lodha commission have jurisdiction over ICC?
 
Is it an advantage? I would say yes. But other teams organised their World Cup camp well before India did. Their players left the IPL early too. So Indians getting a few days extra time is ok, irrespective of what the Lodha committee says. Now I can argue that Pakistan were handed a much greater advantage by allowing them to play a five match ODI series just before World Cup in England, that too against England. That’s a much bigger advantage than getting a few extra days.

No one stopped India to set up their world cup camp early and play the series against England before the WC.

However, India getting preferential treatment of having a delayed WC start is absurd and clear favoritism on ICC's part which is blatantly unfair.
 
No one stopped India to set up their world cup camp early and play the series against England before the WC.

However, India getting preferential treatment of having a delayed WC start is absurd and clear favoritism on ICC's part which is blatantly unfair.

India have a delayed start, no big deal, no advantage, non issue.
 
Yes it was a conspiracy by BCCI to ensure that India gets adequate rest before the World Cup and gets a good look at all the teams, pitches and venues.

Similarly, it was a conspiracy by PCB to give Pakistan a 5 match series against the favorites England right before the World Cup.

In addition, they also conspired to play Afghanistan and Bangladesh in the last two games to allow them an opportunity to sneak into the semifinals.

Now we can sit here and debate whose conspiracy was stronger and more beneficial - BCCI or PCB’s.
 
To be honest Pakistan had the benefit of arriving in England one month in advance in comparison to the other teams. India has also gone through a grueling IPL and that should put them at a disadvantage from a workload view point. No conspiracy here
 
No one stopped India to set up their world cup camp early and play the series against England before the WC.
That wasn’t my point. If we go looking for faults we’ll be able to find many. India is rightfully allowed a break. Otherwise it would have been unfair. And then there’s the Lodha committee guidelines which the team has to follow.

Anyways having played a full ODI series against England in England just before the World Cup, you guys should be the last ones complaining about ‘unfair advantage’.

However, India getting preferential treatment of having a delayed WC start is absurd and clear favoritism on ICC's part which is blatantly unfair.
I can understand Pakistanis having an issue with this as you don’t take part in the IPL. Other countries do. And many of them left the IPL early to join WC camps. They won’t complain.
 
Definitely seen unfair to the other teams They ll be playing earlier where weather is a bit more unsettled and india will be able to plan more having seen how pitches and teams have performed

Surely the rules should be equal in a ICC competition? Seems like theres preferential treatment depending on the board you play for
 
Personally i don't like this schedule as India will play too many matches in a short span of time. India has a total of 3 seamers. If one breaks down that's it. I would play 9 matches over a period of one month rather than 20 days.
 
Why do you care OP?

Like I said to MenInG...
I flicked the tv on to which the cricket and was hoping to watch India...
So I checked tomorrow’s schedule and so on...

I wasn’t aware that India had special dispensation to start later in the tournament.
Haven’t seen anything like this in football...
 
If India wasn't allowed this schedule then WC itself would have been pushed ahead. As it is IPL was played earlier this year to not interfere with WC.
 
That wasn’t my point. If we go looking for faults we’ll be able to find many. India is rightfully allowed a break. Otherwise it would have been unfair. And then there’s the Lodha committee guidelines which the team has to follow.

Anyways having played a full ODI series against England in England just before the World Cup, you guys should be the last ones complaining about ‘unfair advantage’.


I can understand Pakistanis having an issue with this as you don’t take part in the IPL. Other countries do. And many of them left the IPL early to join WC camps. They won’t complain.

So my question goes to you to..
What has this got to do with Pakistan?

It’s a major world tournament views by millions... surely every team should be on a level playing field?
 
So my question goes to you to..
What has this got to do with Pakistan?

It’s a major world tournament views by millions... surely every team should be on a level playing field?

If every team should be on a level playing field then Pakistan should not have been allowed to play a full series in England.
 
If India wasn't allowed this schedule then WC itself would have been pushed ahead. As it is IPL was played earlier this year to not interfere with WC.

Then surely the tournament should have started one week later?
I’m surprised many people are just dismissing this.
 
Then surely the tournament should have started one week later?
I’m surprised many people are just dismissing this.

I think people are dismissing it because it is pretty stupid to think that India have gained some sort of advantage.
 
If every team should be on a level playing field then Pakistan should not have been allowed to play a full series in England.

That doesn’t any sense.
We’re talking about the tournament and it’s start date...

If you play the bi lateral series card then you can go back in history and see how many teams played bi laterals in a host country just prior to the start of the tournament. But this is not the point here.
 
That doesn’t any sense.
We’re talking about the tournament and it’s start date...

If you play the bi lateral series card then you can go back in history and see how many teams played bi laterals in a host country just prior to the start of the tournament. But this is not the point here.

It's more of a disadvantage to India by playing later than others.

Other teams will have an idea of what to expect from the conditions playing their 2nd or 3rd game etc, whereas India will be playing their first.
 
And since when did Lodha commission have jurisdiction over ICC?

Lodha Commission has been set up by the order of Supreme Court of India. And nothing is above SC of India be it ICC or anything..If ICC had a problem why didnt they do anything, coz they knew that its not the BCCI that has set up LODHA COMMISSION. U want ICC to fight with SUPREME COURT of INDIA. At least do some fact finding before posting.
 
I think people are dismissing it because it is pretty stupid to think that India have gained some sort of advantage.


Like I said in two of my posts, there probably is no advantage or disadvantage... there may still be but only time will tell with that.
 
That doesn’t any sense.
We’re talking about the tournament and it’s start date...

If you play the bi lateral series card then you can go back in history and see how many teams played bi laterals in a host country just prior to the start of the tournament. But this is not the point here.

It is a freaking schedule. Having rest up front means less rest in the backend. It is not exactly "beneficial" as you try to imply. WHy does it matter if India plays their match a little later. It is not like they will suddenly become a super team in 10 days.
 
Did you not watch Hassan Minaj, Patriot Act.

The BCCI own the ICC, totally hindering the game. Need to spread cricket..
 
It is a freaking schedule. Having rest up front means less rest in the backend. It is not exactly "beneficial" as you try to imply. WHy does it matter if India plays their match a little later. It is not like they will suddenly become a super team in 10 days.

May be i’m not being clear...

This could work for or against India, time will tell.

Forget Pakistan for a moment. This is not about Pakistan.

A worldcup, the top cricketing tournament, the pinnacle of players careers,
and one team plays its first game while another team has already played three whilst all the others have already played two games... This is not right... and it doesn’t matter which country it is.
 
May be i’m not being clear...

This could work for or against India, time will tell.

Forget Pakistan for a moment. This is not about Pakistan.

A worldcup, the top cricketing tournament, the pinnacle of players careers,
and one team plays its first game while another team has already played three whilst all the others have already played two games... This is not right... and it doesn’t matter which country it is.

If ICC doesn't have a problem with it why do you?
 
If ICC doesn't have a problem with it why do you?

Well I only found out about it today.
So I was amazed when I found out.
In fact I couldn’t quiet believe it.

I’m sorry but even if it was England or Afghanistan starting this late I would be shocked.

Is their any World Cup in any other sport that allows this?
 
Well I only found out about it today.
So I was amazed when I found out.
In fact I couldn’t quiet believe it.

I’m sorry but even if it was England or Afghanistan starting this late I would be shocked.

Is their any World Cup in any other sport that allows this?

I think majority of the players played IPL from start to finish (something they obviously aren't able to miss since they are vital players for their franchises and $$$) and they are one of the favourites so I guess they wanted to give some of the players much needed rest since they are obviously burnt out, need some time away and lessens the chance of injury.

It wont be beneficial for World Cricket if one of the favourites for the team is fatigued due to something beyond their control.
 
I think majority of the players played IPL from start to finish (something they obviously aren't able to miss since they are vital players for their franchises and $$$) and they are one of the favourites so I guess they wanted to give some of the players much needed rest since they are obviously burnt out, need some time away and lessens the chance of injury.

It wont be beneficial for World Cricket if one of the favourites for the team is fatigued due to something beyond their control.

Right and like I said all the teams should have started on a level playing field.
So why couldn’t they start the tourney just one week later?

06th June instead of 30th May..

Look I know people think it’s not such a big deal and time will tell if it works for or against India...
BUT why even take that risk?

If the BCCI were as strong as everyone claims they are then why couldn’t they convince the ICC to push it back a few days?
 
Right and like I said all the teams should have started on a level playing field.
So why couldn’t they start the tourney just one week later?

06th June instead of 30th May..

Look I know people think it’s not such a big deal and time will tell if it works for or against India...
BUT why even take that risk?

If the BCCI were as strong as everyone claims they are then why couldn’t they convince the ICC to push it back a few days?

Because instead of rescheduling a bunch of matches they'd rather just reschedule Indian matches?
 
Because instead of rescheduling a bunch of matches they'd rather just reschedule Indian matches?

Then it’s back to square one.

As a British Pakistany I want England or Pakistan to win the World Cup.
What I don’t want is for India (or any nation) to complain about the scheduling once the cup is over.

Delaying a teams participation can have so many affects (or none), but IMHO it is unfair as a whole and no team should be given special dispensation.
 
Then it’s back to square one.

As a British Pakistany I want England or Pakistan to win the World Cup.
What I don’t want is for India (or any nation) to complain about the scheduling once the cup is over.

Delaying a teams participation can have so many affects (or none), but IMHO it is unfair as a whole and no team should be given special dispensation.

India wanted this schedule so there is no reason they should complain.
 
And since when did Lodha commission have jurisdiction over ICC?


Lodha commision rules have complete jurisdiction over BCCI, as the supreme court of India has approved them by a judicial order.

Hence BCCI cannot play any international games till 15 days have passed. Now ICC can schedule games before that but Indian team wont play the games. On top of that ICC can be hauled up by the supreme court of India for scheduling the games.ICC can be fined for not adhering to a court judgement.
 
and if it works in their favour?

They are only at a disadvantage since South Africa will be playing their third match while India will be playing their first.

It is an advantage for India in the sense that their players will be well rested but not rusty.

The advantage for India outweighs the disadvantage.
 
Schedules don't change your fortune. It is how you play will dictate your fortune. They are going to play all the teams just like every other team.

I’m sorry but that’s just not the case.

To give an example.
India plays their first game against South Africa, who have shed their World Cup nerves, their performance mentally will be different to when they played against England, which was their first game..

Now what if South Africa lose their second game too and then play India who will be playing their first game?? How does this affect the intensity?

Moving forward, What if India know they have to win their last three games to qualify and know what NRR they have to achieve? That could be construed as an advantage..
OR their crucial game gets rained off when really they should have played this weekend, when the weather is hot and sunny..

Instead of playing this weekend, they play when the wicket is slightly more used and offers help to their spinners....

These are just some questions that could spring up, all of them could have been avoided...
 
I’m sorry but that’s just not the case.

To give an example.
India plays their first game against South Africa, who have shed their World Cup nerves, their performance mentally will be different to when they played against England, which was their first game..

Now what if South Africa lose their second game too and then play India who will be playing their first game?? How does this affect the intensity?

Moving forward, What if India know they have to win their last three games to qualify and know what NRR they have to achieve? That could be construed as an advantage..
OR their crucial game gets rained off when really they should have played this weekend, when the weather is hot and sunny..

Instead of playing this weekend, they play when the wicket is slightly more used and offers help to their spinners....

These are just some questions that could spring up, all of them could have been avoided...


What? That is ridiculous. You could apply the same theory to every single match. Australia is facing Afghanistan first. So they will be super confident next match. Why did they play the first match against afghanistan and not ENgland? England played SA first match wanting to catch them off guard before they settle down. WHy did they play SA first match? See how ridiculous it sounds. Players don't worry about all those things. They worry about winning all the matches. If a team allows their last match result affect the current match then they don't deserve to be in the semi final.
 
People thinking this is fair must look at football where top players may have to play for their club and country within a week.Why doesn't FIFA try to rig the schedule to benefit a particular country
 
What? That is ridiculous. You could apply the same theory to every single match. Australia is facing Afghanistan first. So they will be super confident next match. Why did they play the first match against afghanistan and not ENgland? England played SA first match wanting to catch them off guard before they settle down. WHy did they play SA first match? See how ridiculous it sounds. Players don't worry about all those things. They worry about winning all the matches. If a team allows their last match result affect the current match then they don't deserve to be in the semi final.

and what if a game is rained off? You can’t win a game if it’s rainjng?

I think it’s extremely naive to think that one team can start later then the others without even a small chance of it having an affect of the outcome, whether in one game or the whole tournament..
That’s why teams are not given any special dispensation in other World Tournaments.

I was also looking forward to watching them play this weekend ��
 
Ridiculous xan we expect this kind of scheduling in FIFA WC


Well I did mention football in one of my posts and this is why I said i’m somewhat surprised no one picked up in it earlier and why it hasn’t been made much of...
 
So my question goes to you to..
What has this got to do with Pakistan?

It’s a major world tournament views by millions... surely every team should be on a level playing field?

It has nothing to do with Pakistan. I was just saying that people can argue that Pakistan is getting an unfair advantage by arriving early in England and playing an ODI series there. There are definitely certain advantages to it but nobody is using it to target PCT or PCB in any way.

India is not going to get much of an advantage out of these additional days. The team is spending their time playing paintball and stuff like that :D. They are getting a chance to understand the general nature of some of the pitches but I don’t think it’s a huge advantage. You can never judge a pitch by watching others play on it. And I don’t think they’d bank on a few initial matches to form tactics for a World Cup!

So I think the playing field is quite level.
 
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ICC is one of the most unprofessional sporting bodies around and there is discrepancy in almost everything.

I have never seen such scheduling of a world event in any other sport or even a league as well where matches of one team start at completely different point of time than the rest.

Looks like raising any sort of questions related to how ICC operate things hits a lot of nerves.
 
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It has nothing to do with Pakistan. I was just saying that people can argue that Pakistan is getting an unfair advantage by arriving early in England and playing an ODI series there. There are definitely certain advantages to it but nobody is using it to target PCT or PCB in any way.

India is not going to get much of an advantage out of these additional days. The team is spending their time playing paintball and stuff like that :D. They are getting a chance to understand the general nature of some of the pitches but I don’t think it’s a huge advantage. You can never judge a pitch by watching others play on it. And I don’t think they were banking on these initial matches to form tactics.

So I think the playing field is quite level.

Pakistan arriving early has nothing to do with WC schedule. You wont see many examples in other sports where one team gets an accommodating schedule in a world tournament.
 
People thinking this is fair must look at football where top players may have to play for their club and country within a week.Why doesn't FIFA try to rig the schedule to benefit a particular country


That’s a very good point.
Do cricketers really need 15 days rest after playing T20’s?

Also it’s a domestic tournament so why should the ROW have to bow to this?
 
and what if a game is rained off? You can’t win a game if it’s rainjng?

I think it’s extremely naive to think that one team can start later then the others without even a small chance of it having an affect of the outcome, whether in one game or the whole tournament..
That’s why teams are not given any special dispensation in other World Tournaments.

I was also looking forward to watching them play this weekend ��

Again how can you predict rain like 6 months back? Personally it gives zero benefit to India. I would have wanted India take on England in the first match. Now SA is well prepared for their second match. India will be having some nervous time in their first match.
 
Pakistan arriving early has nothing to do with WC schedule. You wont see many examples in other sports where one team gets an accommodating schedule in a world tournament.

So what’s the issue here? India getting an advantage or the unusual schedule?
 
So what’s the issue here? India getting an advantage or the unusual schedule?

Unusual schedule created to accommodate one team is the issue. Not sure if they will get much advantage or not but its rare to see sporting bodies to take into domestic competitions or schedules of individual teams.

It just re endorses the point that ICC isnt using the authority it has in a progressive manner.
 
Again how can you predict rain like 6 months back? Personally it gives zero benefit to India. I would have wanted India take on England in the first match. Now SA is well prepared for their second match. India will be having some nervous time in their first match.

and I rest my case
 
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