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Why does India's World Cup campaign start so much later?

Mr.Q said:
So what’s the issue here? India getting an advantage or the unusual schedule?
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The issue is it spoils the flow of the world cup more than anything else. The tournament shouldn't be put out of sync for everyone else because of the IPL. India could quite easily have jumped straight over and got playing straight away, I don't see any issues. They played a warm up game already did they not?
 
If Pakistan doesn't perform good in this world cup, this should be the reason

I think they should sue BCCI and ICC for that.
 
IMMY69 said:
I never said that..
I said it could go either way and could even themselves out.
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Then what is the big deal since each schedule can impact another team in some way. If you are talking about pitch conditions favoring some teams i agree. But these are intangible parameters.
 
This will hurt India's WC chances, I think MMHS made this point in another thread. While others will play 9 group matches over 40 days, India will play them over 32 days I think. It means less rest between 2 matches, we are an old side (average age 30+) with many injury concerns and worryingly we have only 3 quicks in our squad, two of whom are injury prone and the third overburdened in recent times. This may show in our later group matches and SF/F if we get that far, no matter how good the players are when the legs start feeling heavy there is not much one can do.
 
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Titan24 said:
Unusual schedule created to accommodate one team is the issue. Not sure if they will get much advantage or not but its rare to see sporting bodies to take into domestic competitions or schedules of individual teams.

It just re endorses the point that ICC isnt using the authority it has in a progressive manner.
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Cpt. Rishwat said:
The issue is it spoils the flow of the world cup more than anything else. The tournament shouldn't be put out of sync for everyone else because of the IPL. India could quite easily have jumped straight over and got playing straight away, I don't see any issues. They played a warm up game already did they not?
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Agree it’s an unusual schedule. Perhaps the ICC could have postponed the start of the World Cup. But that would have led to even more criticism. ICC scheduling a World Cup based on the IPL schedule! A million BCCICC threads would have popped up here :))

The ICC probably thought like this: BCCI is the only board that has a legal issue with it. No need to postpone the World Cup for them. Let’s just schedule the matches in such a way that they get a delayed start. They’re not going to get any advantage out of it. If anything, it’ll reduce the time their players get to recover between matches.
 
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jnaveen1980 said:
Then what is the big deal since each schedule can impact another team in some way. If you are talking about pitch conditions favoring some teams i agree. But these are intangible parameters.
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BECAUSE every team should start on a level playing field.
Whichever team it is.

This is a World Cup after all.
 
Well good news is India cant win anymore.

If they win the World Cup, its because of the schedule.

If they fail to win the World Cup, despite ICC giving India unfair advantage, they still lost.

So India has lost already.
 
It could hurt India though. Their key players have a higher chance of getting injured. But i do agree with the scheduling, you don;t see this in other sports.
 
Isn’t the bigger issue that all teams are not playing their last matches at the same time?

The unusual scheduling might or might not affect the end result. But the later a team plays it’s last match, the greater the advantage they will have as they will know the exact requirements to qualify.

So Aus and SA and to an extent India and SL have the benefit here. England and NZ seem to have the least benefit. Eng, NZ and other 6 teams should launch a protest if they lose to NRR.
 
Sidilicious said:
Isn’t the bigger issue that all teams are not playing their last matches at the same time?

The unusual scheduling might or might not affect the end result. But the later a team plays it’s last match, the greater the advantage they will have as they will know the exact requirements to qualify.

So Aus and SA and to an extent India and SL have the benefit here. England and NZ seem to have the least benefit. Eng, NZ and other 6 teams should launch a protest if they lose to NRR.
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Yes. In football you will see that all the final League matches start at the same time so teams are always playing for a win instead of knowing that a mere draw could get them through
 
IMMY69 said:
BECAUSE every team should start on a level playing field.
Whichever team it is.

This is a World Cup after all.
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Not every team can start playing on the exact same day.

https://www.freepressjournal.in/spo...mpaign-against-south-africa-on-june-4/1264241


Kolkata: India will open their 2019 World Cup campaign against South Africa on June 5 instead of June 2 as the BCCI will have to maintain a mandatory 15-day gap between IPL final and international assignment as per the Lodha Committee recommendations. The 2019 World Cup will be held in the UK from May 30 to July 14. The matter was discussed during the ICC Chief Executives Meeting here today.

“The 2019 IPL will be played between March 29 and May 19. But we need to maintain a 15-day gap and World Cup starts on May 30. Therefore as per 15 days gap, we could have only played on June 5. Earlier, we were scheduled to start on June 2 but we couldn’t have played on that day,” a senior BCCI official present here told PTI on conditions of anonymity.

“South Africa are our first opponents. The CEC agreed and the matter has been referred to the ICC board,” he said. The official had earlier stated that the match will be on June 4 but later corrected himself.

Interestingly, ICC in their various marquee events have always started with an Indo-Pak fixture which is almost always a sell-out. It happened in the 2015 World Cup in Australia (at Adelaide) and 2017 Champions Trophy in UK (in Birmingham).

“This is the first time Indo-Pak match won’t be a starting affair. Since the format will be a round robin affair (all teams playing each other like 1992),” the official added.

Among the other decisions that were formalised included the FTP for the next five-year cycle from 2019-23.

“As we had decided, India will play a maximum 309 days of international cricket in this cycle across formats, a reduction of 92 days from the earlier cycle.

“However the number of home Test matches will increase from 15 to 19. All these Tests will be part of the World Test Championship,” he added.

It was also confirmed that India will not play any Day/Night Test match for now as it’s not a part of World Test Championship.

“All matches in ICC World Test Championship are day matches played with red ball. If that’s the case, there is no point in playing pink ball Tests if it doesn’t help in preparation for World Test Championship,” he concluded.
 
India was supposed to play tomorrow. They changed it to June 5th due to this restrcition. There is no "imaginary benefit" they gain out of it.
 
The answer to your question is simple ..West indies played there first match on 31st may and play there 2nd match on 6th june ..A nice 7 day gap similarly every team in the competition has 5-6 day gap in the middle or the start or at the end of the world cup campaign...Somebody gotta play last and in this case it is india..So you need to have done some research on other teams as well before opening up this thread..
 
Starky said:
The answer to your question is simple ..West indies played there first match on 31st may and play there 2nd match on 6th june ..A nice 7 day gap similarly every team in the competition has 5-6 day gap in the middle or the start or at the end of the world cup campaign...Somebody gotta play last and in this case it is india..So you need to have done some research on other teams as well before opening up this thread..
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That won't fit the narrative lol
 
Starky said:
The answer to your question is simple ..West indies played there first match on 31st may and play there 2nd match on 6th june ..A nice 7 day gap similarly every team in the competition has 5-6 day gap in the middle or the start or at the end of the world cup campaign...Somebody gotta play last and in this case it is india..So you need to have done some research on other teams as well before opening up this thread..
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If India had played Bangladesh on Sunday then both South Africa and India would be playing their second game on 05th June.

By delaying the game to 05th June, all other teams would have played twice by the time India plays its first game.
 
I think people are letting their prejudices get in the way.

This not a conspiracy theory. Fact is this is a World Cup and in any tournament it’s the beginning that is important, how it proceeds from their is less relevant which is why in any sport, in an important tournament such as a World Cup, the teams start on a similar footing and one team doesn’t start after everyone else has played at least two games.

Extremely poor from the ICC. The tourney should have started a few days later and not to the whims of one country and no it doesn’t matter which country it is.
 
IMMY69 said:
I think people are letting their prejudices get in the way.

This not a conspiracy theory. Fact is this is a World Cup and in any tournament it’s the beginning that is important, how it proceeds from their is less relevant which is why in any sport, in an important tournament such as a World Cup, the teams start on a similar footing and one team doesn’t start after everyone else has played at least two games.

Extremely poor from the ICC. The tourney should have started a few days later and not to the whims of one country and no it doesn’t matter which country it is.
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Its a judicial order. ICC can do jack.
 
MenInG said:
Ok lets cut to the chase, shall we?

Are we smelling a controversy here?
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Why would there be a controversy? India owns ICC therefore India gets preferential treatment, or rather India gives itself preferential treatment. It's just the way it is.
 
IMMY69 said:
What is the narrative?
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The narrative is India is gaining some sort of "imaginary advantage" due to this schedule. They didn't change the ground. They didn't change the opposition. THey have changed the dates. That too schedule of just one match.
 
It is not for this WC but for last 2 WC Indian matches were kept on weekends with a proper break of one week.U can check the schedule.
This is why cricket will never grow like Football.Preferential treatment will run it
 
jnaveen1980 said:
The narrative is India is gaining some sort of "imaginary advantage" due to this schedule. They didn't change the ground. They didn't change the opposition. THey have changed the dates. That too schedule of just one match.
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That’s your narrative.
Please don’t project it on others.
 
Gullycricket said:
It is not for this WC but for last 2 WC Indian matches were kept on weekends with a proper break of one week.U can check the schedule.
This is why cricket will never grow like Football.Preferential treatment will run it
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You really don't want Afghanistan vs New zealand match on a sunday do you? How much money you can generate with that? Having an India vs Pakistan (we have on sunday) on a sunday will bring in far more money. Schedulings are not made willy nilly. Everything will be done with economy aspect in mind.
 
IMMY69 said:
That’s your narrative.
Please don’t project it on others.
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I still don't understand what is that you are trying to prove here. India was supposed to play a match tomorrow. They pushed that one match to a later date. Who gets to lose or win from this?
 
Sidilicious said:
Isn’t the bigger issue that all teams are not playing their last matches at the same time?

The unusual scheduling might or might not affect the end result. But the later a team plays it’s last match, the greater the advantage they will have as they will know the exact requirements to qualify.

So Aus and SA and to an extent India and SL have the benefit here. England and NZ seem to have the least benefit. Eng, NZ and other 6 teams should launch a protest if they lose to NRR.
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jnaveen1980 said:
I still don't understand what is that you are trying to prove here. India was supposed to play a match tomorrow. They pushed that one match to a later date. Who gets to lose or win from this?
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This is one of the reasons.
 
Kind of awful to have minnow games on the weekend.

Should have had New Zealand/Australia and Afghanistan/Sri Lanka today.
 
I fully agree. Every team should start on a level playing field. Especially in a World Cup.

It is wrong for England to have a home team advantage in a World Cup, when other teams don't have that. All England games should be shifted to some other country.

Only one country playing in home conditions gives the other countries a big disadvantage.
 
It doesn't seem fair but its because of the IPL.

I am by no means a hater, I watch some IPl even, but its stupid when the IPL tries to intervene in major events like World Cups.

BCCI should cancel or move IPL to a later date. India deserves to get an important player injured because of the IPL so they can see the fault in having it so close to the World Cup.
 
par said:
I fully agree. Every team should start on a level playing field. Especially in a World Cup.

It is wrong for England to have a home team advantage in a World Cup, when other teams don't have that. All England games should be shifted to some other country.

Only one country playing in home conditions gives the other countries a big disadvantage.
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Better yet, if the home team is playing, the away team chooses whether they bowl or bat.
 
CricFan2012 said:
It doesn't seem fair but its because of the IPL.

I am by no means a hater, I watch some IPl even, but its stupid when the IPL tries to intervene in major events like World Cups.

BCCI should cancel or move IPL to a later date. India deserves to get an important player injured because of the IPL so they can see the fault in having it so close to the World Cup.
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sshhhh don't talk too much sense. IPL fans will not like this. :inti
 
I personally don't think IPL should affect the scheduling of an event like the CWC. That said, this is no advantage at all. As don't have enough rest in between matches.
 
It's kind of stupid on BCCI to agree to this schedule. Now they have very little rest days between matches. What's the priority here?
 
I really don’t see how it’s an advantage for India , on the contrary having not enough rest between the games will be a bigger factor in a long tourney like this
 
jusarrived said:
I really don’t see how it’s an advantage for India , on the contrary having not enough rest between the games will be a bigger factor in a long tourney like this
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Just imagine if Safr lose to Bangladesh today and India’s first game is against a team that has lost two and is desperate for a win.
 
Balthazar said:
It's kind of stupid on BCCI to agree to this schedule. Now they have very little rest days between matches. What's the priority here?
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Take the premier league or a penalty shoot out as an example..
You always want to take the first penalty and you don’t want to be 6th or 7th on the table even if you have a game or two in hand...
 
IMMY69 said:
Just imagine if Safr lose to Bangladesh today and India’s first game is against a team that has lost two and is desperate for a win.
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TBH, that would not change anything if India were playing their first game, or whether they are playing their 3rd game. Even though, I do agree that ICC could have handled this matter better, but this does not give any team more of an advantage. In the PL, its common for the teams in the later stages of the FA cup, Champions League or Europa league to have a game or 2 in hand compared to those who have been kicked out. It can go both ways.

My biggest issue with scheduling is that all teams should play their last match at the same time. Otherwise the teams in the fight for the 4th spot will know their requirements beforehand and definitely know what they need to do.
 
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IMMY69 said:
Take the premier league or a penalty shoot out as an example..
You always want to take the first penalty and you don’t want to be 6th or 7th on the table even if you have a game or two in hand...
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A team's fate is decided by how they perform in the last phase of the group stage. Just look at IPL. Indian players will tired by then.
 
Certainly bad on ICC part if this is actually true that it's done to give Indian players rest post IPL. Though it also means that Indians will need to play 9 matches in 7 days less than other teams, which means more tiredness.
 
India’s first match and it already seems like a do or die situation for South Africa.

How strange really!
 
freelance_cricketer said:
India’s first match and it already seems like a do or die situation for South Africa.

How strange really!
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Well i’ve made this point several times already.
A desperate South Africa playing against team that’s playing its first game.

It’s really not good for the game
 
IPL > World Cup

Schedule of IPL can't be changed for a low quality World Cup.

We will have to play more matches in lesser days than other teams also. This can be used as an excuse by Ravi Shastri if we don't do well in the World Cup. :inti
 
India’s extended layoff

Could this prove to be a miscalculation? Long time off when other teams are off an running. Limited time to adjust game plans if things do not work out as planned. Lot of pressure to hit the ground running.

India is a very capable team but.....
 
Hasan said:
Could this prove to be a miscalculation? Long time off when other teams are off an running. Limited time to adjust game plans if things do not work out as planned. Lot of pressure to hit the ground running.

India is a very capable team but.....
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Time will tell but I do find it ridiculous that India has still to play a game.
 
India are playing later because the demanded their players get 3 week rest after ipl, icc forced to agree.

Too much power bcci has, they shouldnt bow down to them..
 
Oh yeah lol is India even playing this World Cup or they boycotted it cause of Pakistan I think
 
South Africa will be playing their third game against India on Wednesday.It will be India's first.ICC is a joke.Why does ICC get blackmailed by BCCI ?. India will be fresh compared to South Africa which has played two tough games already.This is not fair for the competition.Teams taking part in WC should lodge a complaint against BCCI.
 
The rest of the world is playing cricket..... meanwhile the Indian team:

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This is what privilege looks like.
 
Artaxerxes said:
South Africa will be playing their third game against India on Wednesday.It will be India's first.ICC is a joke.Why does ICC get blackmailed by BCCI ?. India will be fresh compared to South Africa which has played two tough games already.This is not fair for the competition.Teams taking part in WC should lodge a complaint against BCCI.
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I agree, SA have a must win game, why Ind has no pressure.
 
BCCI has ICC in their pockets. Simple. Rest no rest.
Paint balling can cause more injuries but thats ok, their players need rest.
Rubbish ruling, all teams should be treated fairly.

India now know what they need to do and have also analysed and watched matches so mentally will be more prepared. Big advantage to them.
They know South Africa have lost twice, and they can beat them to more or less knock Saffers out early.
Blatant favouritism here.
 
Syed1 said:
The rest of the world is playing cricket..... meanwhile the Indian team:

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This is what privilege looks like.
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They will get trolled if they don't get to semis. India was the only team that did not decide who was going to bat at no.4 until the warm up match. Fans are already ticked off. Any poor performance in the world cup that's it. Fans will have enough ammunition to go after the team.
 
It is certainly quite strange. I don’t believe any of the conspiracy theories though, precisely because this does not give India extra leverage - on the contrary it is more likely to harm their chances, as unlike every other team their matches are packed very closely together and so their key players are more likely to experience fatigue or burnout.
 
James said:
It is certainly quite strange. I don’t believe any of the conspiracy theories though, precisely because this does not give India extra leverage - on the contrary it is more likely to harm their chances, as unlike every other team their matches are packed very closely together and so their key players are more likely to experience fatigue or burnout.
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Yes anyone with any sense can see this is not good for India . Playing matches in less days brings in injury risks , lack of recovery time between matches & less time to make adjustments. But when you have Indian cricket wanting to show their arrogance it’s more important to them than the best interests of the team . No world tournament should allow any nation any special privileges esp in this case because of a domestic circus league .
 
James said:
It is certainly quite strange. I don’t believe any of the conspiracy theories though, precisely because this does not give India extra leverage - on the contrary it is more likely to harm their chances, as unlike every other team their matches are packed very closely together and so their key players are more likely to experience fatigue or burnout.
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Lol this. Indian fans are absolutely ****** off about this but the tone in the OP suggests that this is somehow beneficial to India.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Lol this. Indian fans are absolutely ****** off about this but the tone in the OP suggests that this is somehow beneficial to India.
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It’s one of the most active threads at the moment. England v Pakistan match analysis taking a back seat to two full pages of theories about the BCCI, ICC and India. Tells you all you need to know lol.
 
I have no doubt in my mind that the Indians have been given preferential treatment here as other posters in this thread has eluded to, they are given extra resting time due to the IPL. It would be absolutely hilarious if they lose to South Africa tomorrow and have a dismal WC campaign in this tourney... To be frank, I am getting tired of this royalty treatment given to India, it is souring me a little...
 
its strange but won't make much difference in the end , by the time india plays their first match south africa would already have lost 3 matches.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Lol this. Indian fans are absolutely ****** off about this but the tone in the OP suggests that this is somehow beneficial to India.
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The tone of my opening thread???

What is wrong with some people here?
I explained exactly why I opened the thread!
I actually don’t want any team to have an advantage or disadvantage... I just want an enjoyable World Cup where every team starts on the same playing field...

I only realised India’s late participation because I was looking forward to watching them play over the weekend...
 
To be honest I think it hurts them. Eg by the time they play SA the Saffers will be desperate for the win and settled as this will be their 3rd game. Every nation has won or lost once and know where they stand when they play them.
 
James said:
It’s one of the most active threads at the moment. England v Pakistan match analysis taking a back seat to two full pages of theories about the BCCI, ICC and India. Tells you all you need to know lol.
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Trust me mate when I started this thread it was only because I was genuinely surprised that India was to play its first game so late... I didn’t have a clue about the Lodha committee ruling regarding IPL and having been a member here since 2005, this is maybe the third thread i’ve ever started..
 
What is this Lota Committee and who gives a cr*p about it! How does it have any bearing on a World Cup? Rest or not, advantage or disadvantage, BCCI keeps getting away with its demands and its suffocating the game little by little. A team starting when others have already played two games is just not logically justifiable, neither fair
 
IMMY69 said:
The tone of my opening thread???

What is wrong with some people here?
I explained exactly why I opened the thread!
I actually don’t want any team to have an advantage or disadvantage... I just want an enjoyable World Cup where every team starts on the same playing field...

I only realised India’s late participation because I was looking forward to watching them play over the weekend...
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You don't have to be so defensive and explain the reasons to everyone. Even Indian media is reporting it now.

Google 'The Answer to Why India Are Playing First World Cup Match So Late Does Not Make Any Sense'

According to this article 15 day rest period ended on 27th May. :inti
 
Wasn't the World Cup schedule anounced 15 or so months back? What's the point in whining now?
 
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