Why doesn't Hasan Ali get respect like Mohammad Amir does?

[Leo23]

Perhaps engaging spot fixing and getting jailed would help?

He wears his heart on his sleeve and makes an impact game after game

What has Amir achieved that he hasn't?

Hassan was our best player in the champions trophy by a mile and delivered in every game except the first one

Yes Amir stole the plaudits in the final when he had the luxury of defending a mammoth total but hassan was the reason amir reached the final in the first place. if hassan performed like Amir we wouldn't have made it past the group stage.

He was ripping teams when Amir was toothless and he was doing it by bowling first and did not have the luxury of defending a huge total

It seems like no matter what Hassan does he will not be considered the main man and the leader of our attack and it seems like amir enjoys that position by default

I feel sorry for hassan. perhaps he is too clean for Pakistani fans. We love to glorify cheaters. He can out perform Amir for the rest of his career but he will not be considered the main man.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

He will. It's just that when he first came on, 95% of PP had dismissed him as a trundler, too short, etc. Many of them have swallowed up their pride and admitted they were wrong. The rest will follow soon.

 

[Rayyman]

Because he's not as great.

 

[maxamax]

He will. It's just that when he first came on, 95% of PP had dismissed him as a trundler, too short, etc. Many of them have swallowed up their pride and admitted they were wrong. The rest will follow soon.

I remember I appreciated him when he contained Kohli in first CT game, everybody was against me. Pakistanis only look for SWAG.

 

[maxamax]

Because he's not as great.

Yes we all saw yesterday what other great bowlers are capable of.

 

[kingusama92]

I think it's simpler than that.

He doesn't bowl with the new ball.

PAK fans associate the "leader" or best fast bowler as the one who takes the new ball.

Wasim Akram
Waqar Younis
Shoaib Akhtar
Mohammad Asif
Fazal Mahmood
Imran Khan/Sarfraz Nawaz

 

[aloo paratha]

No idea. Amir is all talk no results, Hasan is no talk all results.

 

[Slog]

No idea. Amir is all talk no results, Hasan is no talk all results.

No results won you the CT

Got the big 3 - Dhawan, Kohli, Rohit

 

[Chief Destroyer]

I think it's simpler than that.

He doesn't bowl with the new ball.

PAK fans associate the "leader" or best fast bowler as the one who takes the new ball.

Wasim Akram
Waqar Younis
Shoaib Akhtar
Mohammad Asif
Fazal Mahmood
Imran Khan/Sarfraz Nawaz

Yes, that's true. Sarfaraz needs to stop being a pansy and give him the new ball.

 

[moghul]

Because he's not as great.

Absolutely, Hasan Ali has played well in patches but has not given any breath-taking performance like Amir's opening burst in CT final and many more.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

No idea. Amir is all talk no results, Hasan is no talk all results.

"No results" )

 

[aloo paratha]

No results won you the CT

Got the big 3 - Dhawan, Kohli, Rohit

"No results" )

Didn't mean it literally, you guys are missing the point. Obviously Amir still gets wickets and there are still people who hype Hasan Ali but Amir gets more hype than he deserves while Hasan gets less.

 

[www787]

When Amir joined the Pak team he was bowling better than Wasim Akram, even Wasim Akram thought Amir was better than him. Hassan Ali isn't better than Wasim Akram. Hassan Ali isn't better than the Amir of 6-7 years ago.

I'm not putting him down, he is great, and if he continue to work hard and stay fit he will get the acknowledgement that you are seeking but he isn't Wasim Akram nor he was then Amir of 6 to 7 yrs ago.

 

[Justcrazy]

Hassan Ali is very under rated , he is one of the top shorter formats bowlers we have in the world.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Amir gets some special appreciation from fans and the reasons are obvious.

It isnt only about Hasan, other players like Babar, Sarfraz, Azhar don't get enough appreciation.

 

[FreePalestine]

Amir is a left arm swing bowler, whereas Hassan relies more on nippy bounce, nous, pace, reverse and cutters. Swing bowling is often more sensational to watch.

Plus Hassan hasn't yet proved himself in tests.

 

[Kroll]

This might not be a bad thing as it's always good to have a surprise package up your sleeve. Nevertheless, Hassan Ali is fast beciming the unsung hero of the team.

 

[Abdul]

Perhaps engaging spot fixing and getting jailed would help?

he wears his heart on his sleeve and makes an impact game after game

what has amir achieved that he hasn't?

hassan was our best player in the champions trophy by a mile and delivered in every game except the first one

yes amir stole the plaudits in the final when he had the luxury of defending a mammoth total but hassan was the reason amir reached the final in the first place. if hassan performed like amir we wouldn't have made it past the group stage.

he was ripping teams when amir was toothless and he was doing it by bowling first and did not have the luxury of defending a huge total

it seems like no matter what hassan does he will not be considered the main man and the leader of our attack and it seems like amir enjoys that position by default

i feel sorry for hassan. perhaps he is too clean for pakistani fans. we love to glorify cheaters. he can out perform amir for the rest of his career but he will not be considered the main man.

Fully agree with you that Pakistani people love to glorify cheaters.

 

[Leo23]

Because he's not as great.

is that why hassan has comfortably outperformed him since his debut?

 

[Leo23]

Amir is a left arm swing bowler, whereas Hassan relies more on nippy bounce, nous, pace, reverse and cutters. Swing bowling is often more sensational to watch.

Plus Hassan hasn't yet proved himself in tests.

neither has amir. his test record is mediocre and he has nothing to show for apart from a few matches in england in 2010 when the conditions were extremely bowling friendly and even umar amin was looking threatening with the ball

he was treated like a part timer in australia not long ago.

 

[Leo23]

Amir gets some special appreciation from fans and the reasons are obvious.

It isnt only about Hasan, other players like Babar, Sarfraz, Azhar don't get enough appreciation.

yeah i guess these other players are too clean for pakistani fans.

 

[Leo23]

No results won you the CT

Got the big 3 - Dhawan, Kohli, Rohit

amir was pretty much a passenger till the final

if it wasn't for hassan he wouldn't have made the final in the first place and although amir stole the limelight in the final the fact is that we would have defended that huge total with or without amir

our bowling unit had clicked as a unit and every bowler was in great form + hassan was running riot in every spell.

amir did not win us the ct. the bowling unit on the whole did and amir was one of the weaker performers. besides the final was actually won by fakhar and hafeez. 340 is almost impossible to chase in the pressure of a final.

 

[Leo23]

Absolutely, Hasan Ali has played well in patches but has not given any breath-taking performance like Amir's opening burst in CT final and many more.

give him the new ball and the luxury of defending 340 and i am sure he will give you "breath taking performances"

also he doesn't go missing for 5 games in a row like breath taking amir. the guy performs almost every time.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

It's a very Pakistani thing and we'd like to keep it that way tbh, the Alpha male should be the leader and poster boy of the attack ~ No two ways about it.

I think it's a bit difficult to explain to the OP since he might be Indian, culturally I guess this is the difference between PCT and rest of the Sub Con.

 

[Leo23]

It's a very Pakistani thing and we'd like to keep it that way tbh, the Alpha male should be the leader and poster boy of the attack ~ No two ways about it.

I think it's a bit difficult to explain to the OP since he might be Indian, culturally I guess this is the difference between PCT and rest of the Sub Con.

i am pakistani bhai jaan. lahori hoon.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

i am pakistani bhai jaan. lahori hoon.

Ohh...Sry about that - Genuine error bro.

I think I know what you mean.

June 18th 2017
(I will never forget this day !!)

 

[Arsalan Pro]

amir was pretty much a passenger till the final

if it wasn't for hassan he wouldn't have made the final in the first place and although amir stole the limelight in the final the fact is that we would have defended that huge total with or without amir

our bowling unit had clicked as a unit and every bowler was in great form + hassan was running riot in every spell.

amir did not win us the ct. the bowling unit on the whole did and amir was one of the weaker performers. besides the final was actually won by fakhar and hafeez. 340 is almost impossible to chase in the pressure of a final.

How was Amir a passenger till the Final?

Let's go match by match to clarify your incomplete knowledge.

1st Match Pak vs Ind: All the bowlers were spanked by Indian batsmen apart from 1 Bowler who they were treating with respect and were blocking him out to not lose a wicket, namely Amir. He was probably the best bowler from Pakistan going at around 3.5 runs per over where Hasan went for 70 odd runs.

2nd Match Pak vs South Africa: Amir bowled superbly at the death overs where he was continuously bowling reverse swinging yorkers at will and didn't allow batsmen to go big along with Junaid, even though clearly in this match Hasan was superb and was the best bowler from Pakistan getting 3 wickets in the middle overs, Amir wasn't bad either.

3rd Match Pak vs Sri Lanka: Sri Lanka were motoring along quite nicely towards a formidable total until the middle overs where Amir sparked the collapse bowling out Mathews and then Junaid and he ripped apart Sri Lanka, he took 2 crucial wickets along with a dropped catch of his bowling, and in terms of impact bowled better than Hasan. Along with this, he scored crucial 30 odd runs in a breathtaking 75 runs partnership with Sarfraz where only tail enders were left after him and had he not played this kind of an innings, Pakistan wouldn't have qualified for Semi Finals, so importantly he was one of the major reasons why we qualified for Semi Finals.

Semi Final Pak vs Eng: He didn't play this match and people assume him to perform from the bench, had he played this match and as we was in good form from the Sri Lanka game, he would have bowled well, but still if he doesn't play why should one call him a passenger when he was one of the reasons why we were playing that match.

Final Pak vs India: Amir bowled one of the best spells in recent times taking out 3 Top batsmen from the tournament on a flat track, which no other bowler in the world could have bowled, leave alone Hasan Ali.

After this I want to say that truly Hasan was the best player from the tournament, but still Amir made a fair share of impact in all of the games he played and wasn't a passenger at all till the Final.

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

Based on skills, Amir is better. But, Hassan is smarter than Amir.

 

[Leo23]

How was Amir a passenger till the Final?

Let's go match by match to clarify your incomplete knowledge.

1st Match Pak vs Ind: All the bowlers were spanked by Indian batsmen apart from 1 Bowler who they were treating with respect and were blocking him out to not lose a wicket, namely Amir. He was probably the best bowler from Pakistan going at around 3.5 runs per over where Hasan went for 70 odd runs.

2nd Match Pak vs South Africa: Amir bowled superbly at the death overs where he was continuously bowling reverse swinging yorkers at will and didn't allow batsmen to go big along with Junaid, even though clearly in this match Hasan was superb and was the best bowler from Pakistan getting 3 wickets in the middle overs, Amir wasn't bad either.

3rd Match Pak vs Sri Lanka: Sri Lanka were motoring along quite nicely towards a formidable total until the middle overs where Amir sparked the collapse bowling out Mathews and then Junaid and he ripped apart Sri Lanka, he took 2 crucial wickets along with a dropped catch of his bowling, and in terms of impact bowled better than Hasan. Along with this, he scored crucial 30 odd runs in a breathtaking 75 runs partnership with Sarfraz where only tail enders were left after him and had he not played this kind of an innings, Pakistan wouldn't have qualified for Semi Finals, so importantly he was one of the major reasons why we qualified for Semi Finals.

Semi Final Pak vs Eng: He didn't play this match and people assume him to perform from the bench, had he played this match and as we was in good form from the Sri Lanka game, he would have bowled well, but still if he doesn't play why should one call him a passenger when he was one of the reasons why we were playing that match.

Final Pak vs India: Amir bowled one of the best spells in recent times taking out 3 Top batsmen from the tournament on a flat track, which no other bowler in the world could have bowled, leave alone Hasan Ali.

After this I want to say that truly Hasan was the best player from the tournament, but still Amir made a fair share of impact in all of the games he played and wasn't a passenger at all till the Final.

there was no need of writing an essay and i can't be bothered to read all of it

the fact is that amir was wicket less against south africa in the must win game and it was hassan ali who made the difference and brought belief into the team that they can achieve something special

if hassan ali would have been wicket less vs south africa like amir pakistan would have been on the next flight home

amir only performed in two games (sri lanka and the final) while Hassan performed in all games except the first one

 

[Arsalan Pro]

there was no need of writing an essay and i can't be bothered to read all of it

the fact is that amir was wicket less against south africa in the must win game and it was hassan ali who made the difference and brought belief into the team that they can achieve something special

if hassan ali would have been wicket less vs south africa like amir pakistan would have been on the next flight home

amir only performed in two games (sri lanka and the final) while Hassan performed in all games except the first one

If Hasan wouldn't had performed against South Africa we would have been out of the Semi Final contention, similarly if Amir hadn't performed against Sri Lanka with both and ball, then too we would have been knocked out.

 

[Red Devil]

It takes time to build reputations. Amir has some extraordinary performances across all formats and that too on big stages like the CT final or the 2010 England series. On the other hand, Hasan hasn't even properly started his Test career.

 

[moghul]

Based on skills, Amir is better. But, Hassan is smarter than Amir.

But Hasan is shorter too and that will be an issue in long run, won;t end up with 200 test wickets.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Hassan gets as much appreciation as Amir. Now if OP wants to see Amir put down to have Hassan appreciated, thats an entirely different story.

 

[wrongun]

Probably because he's only been around for a year at max at not even played 2 dozen games.

That's enough for a promising start, nothing more. He's a rookie at international level, one who might be good but that is his respect level.

 

[New Yorker]

Absolutely, Hasan Ali has played well in patches but has not given any breath-taking performance like Amir's opening burst in CT final and many more.

Amir's spell was great, but lots of otherwise not so great bowlers have had spectacular one off spells.

Hasan has 3 5fers in ODIs, to Amir's 0. CT Bowler of the tournament. 3 wickets every match. Possibly
the least patchy ODI bowler in the world right now.

 

[joly]

Again another Hype, arey let him take 150 odd wickets first

 

[Syed1]

He will. It's just that when he first came on, 95% of PP had dismissed him as a trundler, too short, etc. Many of them have swallowed up their pride and admitted they were wrong. The rest will follow soon.

I'm waiting for you to swallow your pride and accept you were wrong about Fakhar Zaman.

 

[Syed1]

I predicted Hasan Ali will be the best bowler of the CT when all of PP was raving how Starc, Boult, Amir, Rabada etc etc etc will rip everyone apart. Hasan Ali has got the heart of a champion and he will get his accolades with time. Fortunately or unfortunately you have to perform in a major major match to be truly recognized as a hero. Amir did it in the CT final. Hasan will get his chance too.

Healthy competition is good for the side.

 

[New Yorker]

I predicted Hasan Ali will be the best bowler of the CT when all of PP was raving how Starc, Boult, Amir, Rabada etc etc etc will rip everyone apart. Hasan Ali has got the heart of a champion and he will get his accolades with time. Fortunately or unfortunately you have to perform in a major major match to be truly recognized as a hero. Amir did it in the CT final. Hasan will get his chance too.

Healthy competition is good for the side.

Hasan also performed in the final, just not as spectacularly. Would like to see him get the new ball every now and then.

 

[ToeCrusher2]

No results won you the CT

Got the big 3 - Dhawan, Kohli, Rohit

Lol this is the logic used by dhoni chamchas to hype him up, he did next to nothing in the entire world cup but by 1 good performance in the final, he took the entire credit of winning the world cup. Although to be fair to dhoni, he's at least 10 times the cricketer mohammad amir is and it is little unfair of me to use his performance as an analogy to amir.

 

[Syed1]

Hasan also performed in the final, just not as spectacularly. Would like to see him get the new ball every now and then.

He was tried with the new ball when Junaid wasn't a part of the side and didn't perform as well. Hasan's ideal role is first-change and coming back in the middle overs to pick up crucial wickets.

Pakistan picked up the most wickets amongst all nations in overs 11-40 in the CT, and Hasan Ali was the major reason for that, and that is why we won the tournament.

 

[Syed1]

Lol this is the logic used by dhoni chamchas to hype him up, he did next to nothing in the entire world cup but by 1 good performance in the final, he took the entire credit of winning the world cup. Although to be fair to dhoni, he's at least 10 times the cricketer mohammad amir is and it is little unfair of me to use his performance as an analogy to amir.

I see that the CT final still stings like it did on June 18.

 

[Slog]

Lol this is the logic used by dhoni chamchas to hype him up, he did next to nothing in the entire world cup but by 1 good performance in the final, he took the entire credit of winning the world cup. Although to be fair to dhoni, he's at least 10 times the cricketer mohammad amir is and it is little unfair of me to use his performance as an analogy to amir.

I see it still hurts

Get over the phainty man

 

[another drop catch]

hassan ali is a fine bowler but he cannot be compared with magician amir

 

[in_cutter]

hassan ali is a fine bowler but he cannot be compared with magician amir

Far from being a magician

 

[Kroll]

I see that the CT final still stings like it did on June 18.

I see it still hurts

Get over the phainty man

This is gonna hurt for quite a while still

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

Hassan is much better than Amir

 

[CanadianG00se]

Imo, Hassan is far more important to Pakistani bowling unit than Amir. Id love to have bowler like Hassan in Indian lineup.