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Why don't India and Pakistan buy health equipment instead of weapons?

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I have heard we don't have enough ventilators in India and Pakistan. We spend so much money on buying weapons, jets and what not. Why can't we use this money to buy enough health equipments for our people? :inti
 
Every country is struggling with medical equipments amidst this unforseen enemy. European countries are running shot of masks, ventillators and even hand sanitizers. In an epidemic of such magnitude...all countries struggle to manage medical goods. No point in blaming only India and Pakistan here.
 
Why does it argument apply only to developing countries?

Many countries are caught unprepared and thus, the onus lies of the developed nations to stop their propaganda.
 
Because the people in power need constant wars to continue being in power. It the biggest addiction and with time that addiction becomes so ingrained in people's mind that everyone thinks it's normal.
 
The fact is, developed countries are suffering because the scope of the problem at hand is more than the surplus facilities they had.

India and Pakistan are struggling because we were already under-par. 2K ventilators in Pak, a major percentage of which wasn't functional for a country of population of 200 Million.

The people of sub-continent have not just been dealt with the rough end of the stick, they literally have been given the entire stick. We are given slogans, and are forced to prove our love for the country and have hundreds of national anthems and chants without which our humanity is incomplete. Bleed blue, proud pakistani, Pakistan/Hindustan zindabad are just examples of slogans that are entrenched in our minds from a very young age.

Human capital development is something that we lag behind and even if there's one person, child on the street forced to eat from dustbins as a society we would be a total failure.

Education, basic life facilties, health, equal opportunity, and justice is what we need, not empty slogans of naya puraana and achay buray din and rafales and thunder shunder waghaira waghaira.
 
Why does it argument apply only to developing countries?

Many countries are caught unprepared and thus, the onus lies of the developed nations to stop their propaganda.

Developed nations have the resources to rectify the situation in the medium term, even if they are struggling in the short.

Pakistan needs some sort of military only to maintain independence. There is not much threat from the borders, but that is precisely because Pakistan has well documented military capability. The threat could be just as easily from Afghanistan as India if it wasn't well defended.
 
Nobody can control mass breakout, see Italy can't give treatment to 70000 even
Mass breakout can only be contained if every country has hospital beds, ventilator, doctors, oxygen capacity at least 40percent of their population size.
But agree that India and Pakistan need to invest more in health in general, doubling or tripling of current money they spent on healthcare
 
This is the real question.

A large chunk of national GDP is consumed by military and weapons.

I pray that in a post-covid19 world, counties change their priorities!
 
That means some shareholders in India might be getting rich, but doesn't mean the public will have access to them if there a mass outbreak of the virus.

Yeah. Public Healthcare in India is in a poor state. The only redeeming factors are the government funded medical research centres and private healthcare in cities like mumbai. Medical exports have now been stopped. Let’s see if the government channels the spare manufacturing capacity in the right place.
 
India only has 40000 working ventilators. That is too low for a population of 130 crore. If this virus spreads lots of people will lose their lives because of shortage of ventilators.
India have also banned exports of ventilators and sanitizers now.
 
Every country is struggling with medical equipments amidst this unforseen enemy. European countries are running shot of masks, ventillators and even hand sanitizers. In an epidemic of such magnitude...all countries struggle to manage medical goods. No point in blaming only India and Pakistan here.

Every country is suffering only after certain stage of crisis. Here even now itself the medical staffs are working without N95 masks and other PPE’s. If this situation continues, all the health workers will get infected now and there will be no one to take care of people in the hospitals.
 
That means some shareholders in India might be getting rich, but doesn't mean the public will have access to them if there a mass outbreak of the virus.

Public health care system is properly functioning only in Kerala. Rest all is in very pathetic state.
 
When we stop considering each other as enemies and start considering each other as neighbours and inevitably allies, only then we’d be able to reverse the trend. At the moment we are lacking the competence to survive as individual nations and therefore project our own insecurities on each other.
 
Fighting like dogs and cats for 70+ years while serving the vested interests of the superpowers of the world will lead to this situation. I hope in a post-covid world Pakistan and India decide to scale down hostilities and put a cap on their respective defense budgets.
 
Fighting like dogs and cats for 70+ years while serving the vested interests of the superpowers of the world will lead to this situation. I hope in a post-covid world Pakistan and India decide to scale down hostilities and put a cap on their respective defense budgets.

Pakistan's budget is only 8 billion. That's barely anything. It's also 4% of the GDP.

If Pakistan scales down anymore, we'll barely have any military power.
 
Well, why do you think a bunch of foreigners had over-ruled us for a century? because we always need validation of outsiders to feel good about ourselves. It is in our DNA. Seriously, the way people were worshipping Donald Trump in India like they needed a validation from a white master to feel good about themselves. I do not think if Donald Trump got the same reception everywhere in the world or even in their own country. Look at Indian Celebrities when they come outside airports like hundreds of hundreds of people are welcoming them like they are demi-Gods. The virus of this inferiority complex has been passed on by our forefathers and we are just carriers. The same story is applicable to Pakistan as well. Long story short, it is not easy. If your country is broken into separate countries, it is not easy to be friends again. I understand where Indians are coming from but look at European Union they have all come together and blossoming in so many ways of life. India is a big country and should make it happen - if they can solve the all political issues with their neighbors - they can use money in the right way for their own citizens. Similarly, all neighbor countries will benefit as well from it. However, it is a wishful thinking because we have burned all our bridges now and there is no hope.

In india or Pakistan every citizen thinks they are an epicenter of the world and but they do not know hardly any person in these developed western countries knows about their countries because firstly, everyone is busy in earning money and making their country better and prosper for furture generations. Secondly, even if people know about these countries, always in a negative way, poor or dirty India. Terrorist Pakistan or along those lines.

Long story short, we people deserve these kinds of politicians at the end of the day we choose them and if there is a no better choice or system to replce them then in that case tough luck. Life must go on.
 
Well, why do you think a bunch of foreigners had over-ruled us for a century? because we always need validation of outsiders to feel good about ourselves. It is in our DNA. Seriously, the way people were worshipping Donald Trump in India like they needed a validation from a white master to feel good about themselves. I do not think if Donald Trump got the same reception everywhere in the world or even in their own country. Look at Indian Celebrities when they come outside airports like hundreds of hundreds of people are welcoming them like they are demi-Gods. The virus of this inferiority complex has been passed on by our forefathers and we are just carriers. The same story is applicable to Pakistan as well. Long story short, it is not easy. If your country is broken into separate countries, it is not easy to be friends again. I understand where Indians are coming from but look at European Union they have all come together and blossoming in so many ways of life. India is a big country and should make it happen - if they can solve the all political issues with their neighbors - they can use money in the right way for their own citizens. Similarly, all neighbor countries will benefit as well from it. However, it is a wishful thinking because we have burned all our bridges now and there is no hope.

In india or Pakistan every citizen thinks they are an epicenter of the world and but they do not know hardly any person in these developed western countries knows about their countries because firstly, everyone is busy in earning money and making their country better and prosper for furture generations. Secondly, even if people know about these countries, always in a negative way, poor or dirty India. Terrorist Pakistan or along those lines.

Long story short, we people deserve these kinds of politicians at the end of the day we choose them and if there is a no better choice or system to replce them then in that case tough luck. Life must go on.

I have been saying this for many years on here. India wants to be seen as a superpower, but to be one they have to learn to let go of petty fights and use their economic clout to get their near neighbours on board. They could have learned a lot from China in that regard, and culturally were in a far better place to do it had they had some vision.

As the most powerful voice in the SC they are the ones who are in a position to drive the agenda.
 
I have been saying this for many years on here. India wants to be seen as a superpower, but to be one they have to learn to let go of petty fights and use their economic clout to get their near neighbours on board. They could have learned a lot from China in that regard, and culturally were in a far better place to do it had they had some vision.

As the most powerful voice in the SC they are the ones who are in a position to drive the agenda.

Instead they elected Modi who is not only picking fights with neighbours he is alienating his own citizens. Good luck to India, with Modi at the helm they will need lots of it.
 
Developed nations have the resources to rectify the situation in the medium term, even if they are struggling in the short.

Pakistan needs some sort of military only to maintain independence. There is not much threat from the borders, but that is precisely because Pakistan has well documented military capability. The threat could be just as easily from Afghanistan as India if it wasn't well defended.

No. Western developed countries have double standards and we don't need validation from them.

I do not know about Pakistan. But India has certainly improved its health capabilities in last 5 years, so it's not fair to accuse them of just buying "weapons".
 
I have heard we don't have enough ventilators in India and Pakistan. We spend so much money on buying weapons, jets and what not. Why can't we use this money to buy enough health equipments for our people? :inti


you have to live to buy health equipments to live you need weapons ..... its simple when your neighbour sends human sheilds into the country disguised :murali
 
Fighting like dogs and cats for 70+ years while serving the vested interests of the superpowers of the world will lead to this situation. I hope in a post-covid world Pakistan and India decide to scale down hostilities and put a cap on their respective defense budgets.

it depends
 
Defense is important but public welfare is far more important.

Coronavirus may teach countries a very big lesson. It has impacted many aspects of our society.
 
Not much different from the UK.

UK spends over £40 billion on defence, yes it's a huge amount. Yet these clowns dont have money for the NHS or to buy testing kits. The UK is asking for volunteers and hospitals for donations.

In a poor nation, it can be understood to a point but this is a disgrace.
 
Not much different from the UK.

UK spends over £40 billion on defence, yes it's a huge amount. Yet these clowns dont have money for the NHS or to buy testing kits. The UK is asking for volunteers and hospitals for donations.

In a poor nation, it can be understood to a point but this is a disgrace.

Pakistan's budget is only 6 billion dollars

India's budget is 66 billion dollars

We can't possibly go lower than 6 billion

India can't go lower either due to the possible threat from China

This military risk is not going to end anytime soon
 
Maybe this could be that one event that could open their eyes and make them think of their people's health!
 
Imran Khan actually said the same thing.

The country that could make atomic bomb could very easily make ventilators: PM Imran Khan
 
Maybe this could be that one event that could open their eyes and make them think of their people's health!

Dont think the Indian mindset will change in a million years. This war will last till the end of times due to the sheer arrogance of many.
 
Pakistan's budget is only 6 billion dollars

India's budget is 66 billion dollars

We can't possibly go lower than 6 billion

India can't go lower either due to the possible threat from China

This military risk is not going to end anytime soon

Sure, I never criticised Pakistan and never will as it's very existance has been threatned since day 1 and will be until the end of the world. It's the only Muslim nation with the nuke for a good reason.

UK however is foolish spending so much money on defence, when the likes of Turkey are sending us medical help. Highly embarrasing for a nation which once ruled the world.

Maybe this could be that one event that could open their eyes and make them think of their people's health!

They will spend even more now.
 
Pakistan's budget is only 6 billion dollars

India's budget is 66 billion dollars

We can't possibly go lower than 6 billion

India can't go lower either due to the possible threat from China

This military risk is not going to end anytime soon

Actually in start India didn't invest in army, Nehru Ji don't believed in big armies but after the war of 1962 when Indian military was fighting without tank or updated weapons everything changed, India paid the price of not having spent money on army
 
Because politicians only care about power and influence.

There was an entire chapter on this in Yuval Noah Harari’s book ’Sapiens’.

Even today, most nations only invest in health and education because they hope that the next generation will be able to create more advanced medicine and military technology which can potentially give their nations an edge over the rest of the world. This kind of thinking was non-existent pre-1850, which is why the development in science, technology and medicine was slow.
 
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Dont think the Indian mindset will change in a million years. This war will last till the end of times due to the sheer arrogance of many.

Not sure about Pakistan but political campaigns in India revolve around Pakistan. You will see politicians from Gautam Gambhir to Narendra Modi giving statements about Pakistan constantly to win votes. If everything becomes normal between India and Pakistan how will politicians survive? There are not many politicians like Kejriwal who focus more on the work they do than using the word 'Pakistan' in their statements. :inti
 
Not sure about Pakistan but political campaigns in India revolve around Pakistan. You will see politicians from Gautam Gambhir to Narendra Modi giving statements about Pakistan constantly to win votes. If everything becomes normal between India and Pakistan how will politicians survive? There are not many politicians like Kejriwal who focus more on the work they do than using the word 'Pakistan' in their statements. :inti

Indo-Pak hostilities didn't start in 2014 when Modi got elected. It has a 70 year history.
 
And that's the point. Why can't we move on? Why do we keep giving statements against each other? :inti

Both parties should move on and seek a new beginning I agree.

But, keep the Modi era aside. The OP's question is why India spends money on this military stuff and the simple answer is the source - Pakistan started 4 wars with India at various times in the last 70 years and India had to build a defence. So, the blame for longstanding Indo-Pak hostility lies completely at their doorstep. Do you agree?
 
Having cooler fighter jets makes you look cooler than saving 10,000 people dying everyday due to lack of adequate health care.
 
They have enough medical equipment for those that can afford it. Those who can't afford it, don't feature in the policy makers planning.
 
Just reading an article in today's paper that many African leaders who usually travel to the west for medical treatment are being forced to stay at home and get treatment in their own poorly funded hospitals. A Nigerian hospital had to apply to a private hospital in London for the medical records of one of it's premier politicians.

I guess we should be asking the same questions of Pakistani leaders of the past who invested heavily in the UK, both in terms of time and wealth, and seemed incapable of putting in as much effort at home.
 
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