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Why has it become so difficult now and why is it harder for people to get hitched? Is it cos peopel have too many demands? Is it because there is too much choice out there? Or is it cos of interferring external family members who like to stick their nose into everything. Not just my experience but also experience of many others i speak to.

*sigh* Feeling fed up.
 
You have to persevere if you want your own choices in life and put your foot down. I've been through it and its proven to be the best decision of my life. :)
 
I think that both boys and girls of the GenY have become extremey pricey. They seem to want EVERYTHING in their partner before deciding to get hitched. Why, they look at all the attributes of a potential partner even before falling in love.

Gone are the days when love used to be spontaneous. These days even it is driven by money and ambition, like everything else.
 
I think that both boys and girls of the GenY have become extremey pricey. They seem to want EVERYTHING in their partner before deciding to get hitched. Why, they look at all the attributes of a potential partner even before falling in love.

Gone are the days when love used to be spontaneous. These days even it is driven by money and ambition, like everything else.

Love was never spontaneous.

Marriage is and has always been (IMHO) a business deal where (almost) always women win and men work themselves up to death.
 
No Patience is the reason and the circle created by men and women for them self. Especially since the social media grown Love became a joke for everyone.
 
Its a combination of everything.

Women are educated too and they are not going to bow down and marry the first lalloo that their parents show them.

Though still most Desi girls marry the groom of their parents choice, the trend is changing slowly. Weak men and men with not so great jobs are not preferred by girls. They have their own set of demands too.
 
People want to figure their lives out
 
Lack of patience, acceptance, showing flexibility when needed and respect towards each other and to each others opinion seems some of the contributing factors.

In marriage you need to thoroughly trust your partner (of curse you need to develop this trust first on each other). Trusting each other is vital. Also, you need to me mature enough to deal and sort out your personal matters with each other without involving others. At times, those 'others' can take advantage of your situation for their gains.

Last but not least, people tend to get bored with their partner as time progress, which to me a true contender of 'what permanent is boring'. Yes, have seen those situations personally. And to avoid such circumstance, I guess, best is to be become best friend of your partner.
 
I've heard some horror stories lately. Like the case when some people came to "see" a girl in our family, and the potential mother-in-law swiped the girl's face with her index finger, to make sure that the girl really was "fair" and wasn't covering up darker skin with makeup. Not satisfied, the old lady got down on her knees, to try to peek at the girl's legs, the logic being that maybe she covered up her feet with makeup too. I'm not joking.

Apparently the people who came to "see" the girl had been fooled before, hence the due diligence.
 
I've heard some horror stories lately. Like the case when some people came to "see" a girl in our family, and the potential mother-in-law swiped the girl's face with her index finger, to make sure that the girl really was "fair" and wasn't covering up darker skin with makeup. Not satisfied, the old lady got down on her knees, to try to peek at the girl's legs, the logic being that maybe she covered up her feet with makeup too. I'm not joking.

Apparently the people who came to "see" the girl had been fooled before, hence the due diligence.

In India too some people check the girls neck and feet just to make sure she is not faking her complexion.
 
I've heard some horror stories lately. Like the case when some people came to "see" a girl in our family, and the potential mother-in-law swiped the girl's face with her index finger, to make sure that the girl really was "fair" and wasn't covering up darker skin with makeup. Not satisfied, the old lady got down on her knees, to try to peek at the girl's legs, the logic being that maybe she covered up her feet with makeup too. I'm not joking.

Apparently the people who came to "see" the girl had been fooled before, hence the due diligence.

How embarrassing for all concerned.

I wonder how long it will take for us move on from this kind of moronic, stone age way of thinking.
 
I've heard some horror stories lately. Like the case when some people came to "see" a girl in our family, and the potential mother-in-law swiped the girl's face with her index finger, to make sure that the girl really was "fair" and wasn't covering up darker skin with makeup. Not satisfied, the old lady got down on her knees, to try to peek at the girl's legs, the logic being that maybe she covered up her feet with makeup too. I'm not joking.

Apparently the people who came to "see" the girl had been fooled before, hence the due diligence.

Did it not, at any point, occur to your relatives to throw these pieces of trash out? Granted the arranged marriage system is essentially a socially acceptable version of cattle trading but this is too far even by the low standards of a culture where the marriage market is a cross between the slave trade and the cattle market. People freaking do this kind of thing when buying animals for eid to check for missing teeth and stuff. Absolutely shocking and outrageous.
 
can i ask was it a personal 'love' marriage or family arranged?

Maybe im just cynic but i find the former survive more due to more realistic expectations from all parties
 
Did it not, at any point, occur to your relatives to throw these pieces of trash out? Granted the arranged marriage system is essentially a socially acceptable version of cattle trading but this is too far even by the low standards of a culture where the marriage market is a cross between the slave trade and the cattle market. People freaking do this kind of thing when buying animals for eid to check for missing teeth and stuff. Absolutely shocking and outrageous.

My thoughts too. Unfortunately the relatives in question are the traditional, desperate, what-happens-if-we-die-and-daughter-is-unmarried types. You'll be surprised at what they'll put up with.

Also my guess is that they were too shocked to react.
 
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People have gotten choosy.

Biggest problem is that people don't understand the difference between core compatibility and surface compatibility.

Core compatibility is all about having a shared outlook in life. If that's there, 2 people as different as chalk and cheese can live together happily (with issues but sortable issues).

Surface compatibility is just stuff on the surface....likes, dislikes, mannerism, opinions, personality (yes), etc. Just because its there means NOTHING if core compatibility is not there.

In the old days, they just made sure the match was between 2 families with similar outlook...which kind of automatically ensured core compatibility. That method had its issues but it was a workable solution.

Today, we all are just too spoilt and choosy. Me too. Maybe due to the environment around us but its true.
 
In my opinion the whole concept of arrange marriage is outdated. Never liked and never will but will have to suck it up and put it with it.
 
can i ask was it a personal 'love' marriage or family arranged?

Maybe im just cynic but i find the former survive more due to more realistic expectations from all parties

In arranged the husband and wife generally don't have much say in the decision of marriage.

Why do you think they would have any say in a decision to end it?
 
My thoughts too. Unfortunately the relatives in question are the traditional, desperate, what-happens-if-we-die-and-daughter-is-unmarried types. You'll be surprised at what they'll put up with.

Also my guess is that they were too shocked to react.
I can say with some certainty that there's very little in our marriage market that would surprise me. Outrage, yes but never surprise because it's all too common and most people have seen it all by their mid twenties. Tribal courts in my province(or, to be more accurate, my parents' province) still routinely order girls as young as 8 or 9 be married to grown men for settling debts as low as Rs. 50'000(that's right folks, an 8 year old for less than $500).
 
In arranged the husband and wife generally don't have much say in the decision of marriage.

Why do you think they would have any say in a decision to end it?

depends on circumstances and context

is it arranged to the extent its forced


or is it arranged to the extent where both husband and wife have the final say
 
I can say with some certainty that there's very little in our marriage market that would surprise me. Outrage, yes but never surprise because it's all too common and most people have seen it all by their mid twenties. Tribal courts in my province(or, to be more accurate, my parents' province) still routinely order girls as young as 8 or 9 be married to grown men for settling debts as low as Rs. 50'000(that's right folks, an 8 year old for less than $500).

We had a teacher in school who was from the tribal areas, with the improbable name of "Hazrat Abubakar." He bought an Afghan girl to marry, and what was worse, he boasted to the class that she was "zero meter," a disgusting term usually reserved for automobiles.
 
We had a teacher in school who was from the tribal areas, with the improbable name of "Hazrat Abubakar." He bought an Afghan girl to marry, and what was worse, he boasted to the class that she was "zero meter," a disgusting term usually reserved for automobiles.

Ah yes, the desi obsession with "purity". It's absolutely disgusting and responsible for, even by the most conservative estimate, thousands of murders every year. I never got the point of it though. If your computer is broken, would you take it to someone who's never even seen a computer?
 
1. Women don't take BS from men like they used to and they aren't reliant on men like they were. (Universal)

2. Men and Women go through tons of "relationships" in there life time, they do everything that a husband and a wife would do many times before actually getting married to who ever. (Sub continent)

3. People are generally selfish, often times they aren't aware of their own actions or behaviour. Women used to put up with this garbage from men. If you have two people with such attitudes, the marriage will end up in divorce as now they will spend 24/7 with their partner. Lot of people are perfectly fine when they are in "love" or what ever. Bad side of everyone plays a part, some people might not even have a bad side, some have very poor bad side to them, men and women.

4. (This is just my opinion) I've been seeing lot of men around my age being walked all over by their girlfriends like cockroaches, even couple of my friends are among them and it is highly embarrassing. Their gf's behavior are highly irritating some times. Men in the west need to man up and have some self respect.
 
I can say with some certainty that there's very little in our marriage market that would surprise me. Outrage, yes but never surprise because it's all too common and most people have seen it all by their mid twenties. Tribal courts in my province(or, to be more accurate, my parents' province) still routinely order girls as young as 8 or 9 be married to grown men for settling debts as low as Rs. 50'000(that's right folks, an 8 year old for less than $500).

Why and when this practice started? What kind of people are those? Is this simply a result of extreme poverty? I now a man for whom a girl was bought from the said region because no one was willing to give him his daughter here.
 
Why and when this practice started? What kind of people are those? Is this simply a result of extreme poverty? I now a man for whom a girl was bought from the said region because no one was willing to give him his daughter here.

Not sure when it started but it's pretty old. Why, probably because most of rural Pakistan is still several centuries behind the rest of the world in terms of social development. Basically, they still exist in an age where this sort of thing was common and acceptable. I'm surprised you didn't know of this before because it happens in all four provinces though to a lesser extent in Punjab due to stricter laws and the fact that rural Punjab(not including South Punjab) is relatively more developed and better educated than the rural areas in other provinces. Buying and selling is common. In recent years, the practice of men from Punjab buying brides from Chitral became so widespread that the local government(or provincial, not sure, read this a while back) had to institute a ban specifically for that district and all marriages between non natives and Chitralis now have to be approved by some legal body there.
 
1. Women don't take BS from men like they used to and they aren't reliant on men like they were. (Universal)

2. Men and Women go through tons of "relationships" in there life time, they do everything that a husband and a wife would do many times before actually getting married to who ever. (Sub continent)

3. People are generally selfish, often times they aren't aware of their own actions or behaviour. Women used to put up with this garbage from men. If you have two people with such attitudes, the marriage will end up in divorce as now they will spend 24/7 with their partner. Lot of people are perfectly fine when they are in "love" or what ever. Bad side of everyone plays a part, some people might not even have a bad side, some have very poor bad side to them, men and women.

4. (This is just my opinion) I've been seeing lot of men around my age being walked all over by their girlfriends like cockroaches, even couple of my friends are among them and it is highly embarrassing. Their gf's behavior are highly irritating some times. Men in the west need to man up and have some self respect.

How old are you ?
 
Not sure when it started but it's pretty old. Why, probably because most of rural Pakistan is still several centuries behind the rest of the world in terms of social development. Basically, they still exist in an age where this sort of thing was common and acceptable. I'm surprised you didn't know of this before because it happens in all four provinces though to a lesser extent in Punjab due to stricter laws and the fact that rural Punjab(not including South Punjab) is relatively more developed and better educated than the rural areas in other provinces. Buying and selling is common. In recent years, the practice of men from Punjab buying brides from Chitral became so widespread that the local government(or provincial, not sure, read this a while back) had to institute a ban specifically for that district and all marriages between non natives and Chitralis now have to be approved by some legal body there.

I live in central Punjab and i am also pretty familiar with the rural areas of at least central Punjab but i have not noticed such practice as such.
Education level is still very poor in rural Punjab too.

Generally, what is the livelihood of the habitats of Chitral? I don't know any of their specialty. Swat and GB are known for fruits besides tourism but i don't know anything about Chitral. I hear they are also not religious.
 
I live in central Punjab and i am also pretty familiar with the rural areas of at least central Punjab but i have not noticed such practice as such.
Education level is still very poor in rural Punjab too.

Generally, what is the livelihood of the habitats of Chitral? I don't know any of their specialty. Swat and GB are known for fruits besides tourism but i don't know anything about Chitral. I hear they are also not religious.

Punjab's a big place so you can't rely only on what you notice. News stories on this issue are usually buried deep under other stuff even in major papers with the exception of Dawn but if you read cover to cover, you'll find a story about once a week at the very least. Education standards and prevalence might be low in rural Punjab but it's still far ahead of the other provinces, particularly Balochistan and FATA.

Chitralis are mostly agricultural. It's very remote and there's very little economic activity there besides subsistence grain farming and fruit farming for trading with the rest of the country. (Their marijuana deserves special mention because it's simply a class apart).
 
Punjab's a big place so you can't rely only on what you notice. News stories on this issue are usually buried deep under other stuff even in major papers with the exception of Dawn but if you read cover to cover, you'll find a story about once a week at the very least. Education standards and prevalence might be low in rural Punjab but it's still far ahead of the other provinces, particularly Balochistan and FATA.

Chitralis are mostly agricultural. It's very remote and there's very little economic activity there besides subsistence grain farming and fruit farming for trading with the rest of the country. (Their marijuana deserves special mention because it's simply a class apart).

Of course, you can't. But all of my relatives have rural background who have settled in big cities only recently. I myself visit my village almost daily and interact with all sort of villagers.
Everything can happen in such extreme poverty but i don't see this a usual practice among masses like you
mentioned about Chitral.
 
Of course, you can't. But all of my relatives have rural background who have settled in big cities only recently. I myself visit my village almost daily and interact with all sort of villagers.
Everything can happen in such extreme poverty but i don't see this a usual practice among masses like you
mentioned about Chitral.

Like I said, it's less common in Punjab but, that said, it's not by any means uncommon. Again, relying on personal experience usually obscures the bigger picture because even if your entire family is based there, they account for a tiny fraction of the 93 odd million people in Punjab and are probably spread out over a small area out of Punjab's overall area which is comparable to Britain.
 
Like I said, it's less common in Punjab but, that said, it's not by any means uncommon. Again, relying on personal experience usually obscures the bigger picture because even if your entire family is based there, they account for a tiny fraction of the 93 odd million people in Punjab and are probably spread out over a small area out of Punjab's overall area which is comparable to Britain.

How do you conclude that it is common practice in Punjab? And why do you think that you are in better place than me to have an opinion on this matter? Is there a particular research paper or news item in the media? To be frank, i feel bad about being unfamiliar with such a key social issue.
 
Its a combination of everything.

Women are educated too and they are not going to bow down and marry the first lalloo that their parents show them.

Though still most Desi girls marry the groom of their parents choice, the trend is changing slowly. Weak men and men with not so great jobs are not preferred by girls. They have their own set of demands too.

Meaning of 'lalloo' to boys and girls is different. Girls are not visual like boys, so called 'lalloo' study hard and have stable job, girls seek protection, stability and security which these 'lalloo' provides. Girls can differentiate between a lover and husband.

Attraction is biological though, we subconsciously decide these things. Girl can easily stop liking you after a kiss, pheromones play a crucial role as well.

Don't try to understand mindset of girls, you will go mad. They themselves are confused.

Never get emotionally involved, attachment is suffering. If you are 7+/10 just enjoy fatal attraction.
 
How do you conclude that it is common practice in Punjab? And why do you think that you are in better place than me to have an opinion on this matter? Is there a particular research paper or news item in the media? To be frank, i feel bad about being unfamiliar with such a key social issue.

Mostly based on what makes the news tbh, there's not much academic material on the subject or at least not the easily accessible kind. In KPK, Sindh and FATA, you usually get one such incident every month or so and very few such incidents actually make the papers in the first place. In Punjab, it's much less frequent at once every 4-5 months but Punjab also has one good thing going for it which is their law enforcement efforts to combat this. I recall reading about a few incidents where Punjab police intervened and stopped child marriages after being contacted by concerned parties.

I wouldn't say I'm better positioned to have an opinion, just that it's something you may not have noticed since it's not an issue that is very 'in' at the moment nor has it ever been. Awareness, even among the educated classes, is low since there's very little public discourse on the subject due to cultural and religious sensitivities.
 
More freedom of choice.

Afridi generation.
 
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Love or arranged all women are the same. Never happy and its always other peoples fault.
 
My thoughts too. Unfortunately the relatives in question are the traditional, desperate, what-happens-if-we-die-and-daughter-is-unmarried types. You'll be surprised at what they'll put up with.

Also my guess is that they were too shocked to react.

Poor parents. It's better to stay unmarried instead of getting swiped by these kind of mother in laws.
 
More freedom of choice.

Afridi generation

[MENTION=136729]Suleiman[/MENTION]
Actually Afridi is as alpha-macho red pill as you can get.

These are Ahmed Shehzad generation.
 
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Marriage has become tougher for guys. Society is evolving. Even 30 year old guys and 30 plus year old guys are considered to be aged out by most families irrespective of income, job, status much to the delight of 30 plus girls.
 
In my opinion the whole concept of arrange marriage is outdated. Never liked and never will but will have to suck it up and put it with it.

That depends. Love marriage is not a fairly tale either. Marriage is hard work in any case.
 
People have gotten choosy.

Biggest problem is that people don't understand the difference between core compatibility and surface compatibility.

Core compatibility is all about having a shared outlook in life. If that's there, 2 people as different as chalk and cheese can live together happily (with issues but sortable issues).

Surface compatibility is just stuff on the surface....likes, dislikes, mannerism, opinions, personality (yes), etc. Just because its there means NOTHING if core compatibility is not there.

In the old days, they just made sure the match was between 2 families with similar outlook...which kind of automatically ensured core compatibility. That method had its issues but it was a workable solution.

Today, we all are just too spoilt and choosy. Me too. Maybe due to the environment around us but its true.

Everyone should just read this post esp for the ones that i have the freedom to marry on their own.
 
All the posts are incredibly valid and why not get to know the guy/family yourself than ask for a "reference" from some stupid person who is probably of ill repute themselves and got agenda.

Non Asian people would never do that, they decide for themselves rather than ask someone else.

I wish ill on those people cos what goes around comes around.
 
Would everyone agree and say it has become more difficult NOW?

With exposure to social media like TikTok and Instagram - men/women see content and realise this is the lifestyle they should have and therefore demand it from potentials. Expectations have increased and women seem to have more of upper hand. Materialistic, designers and travelling etc.

Also, since Covid-19, with more remote working and less social interaction in my generation, finding someone in person is tough.

I’m 28 and in the phase of finding someone, but looks like I will have to look into rishta aunty process. lol.
 
It depends mate... very subjective and situational based topic...

I and my wife are alhamdulillah doing just fine after 12 yrs and 2 kids (its a challenge, but its doable, raising ie)

I have toxic family members/khandaan etc, but i made 1 thing clear to my wife, nothing and no one comes before me and her, not parents, not siblings, nor kids, nor extended family or friends... mantain respect and things in tact between ourselves as #1 priority, everyone and everything comes secondary. And alhamdulillah, it has kept us together, obviously we have little issues or ups and downs like any normal couple would, but we work on it and get through it.

Financially, alhamdulillah again we are on same page, we have set certain goals and limitations and stay within our boundaries and know our financial reach. Alot of couples cant get past the my money ur money issues etc, need to realize its OUR money once married.

We give each other the due space, time, and attention, and dont have bloated egos... if one can suppress the ego and be flexible a wee bit, that also goes a long way. And finally, dont argue with the woman unneccessarily as it will and can balloon unexpectedly, so just avoid or give in asap.

Wishing you all a happy and blessed time with your respective partners.


ps: did u ever notice how super nice and respectful you are to strangers or friends etc, but at home for some reason you cant spare a bit of that kindness or chance to your loved ones? drop the case/issue, and give ur partner/parent/sibling a chance... an honest chance :)
 
It depends mate... very subjective and situational based topic...

I and my wife are alhamdulillah doing just fine after 12 yrs and 2 kids (its a challenge, but its doable, raising ie)

I have toxic family members/khandaan etc, but i made 1 thing clear to my wife, nothing and no one comes before me and her, not parents, not siblings, nor kids, nor extended family or friends... mantain respect and things in tact between ourselves as #1 priority, everyone and everything comes secondary. And alhamdulillah, it has kept us together, obviously we have little issues or ups and downs like any normal couple would, but we work on it and get through it.

Financially, alhamdulillah again we are on same page, we have set certain goals and limitations and stay within our boundaries and know our financial reach. Alot of couples cant get past the my money ur money issues etc, need to realize its OUR money once married.

We give each other the due space, time, and attention, and dont have bloated egos... if one can suppress the ego and be flexible a wee bit, that also goes a long way. And finally, dont argue with the woman unneccessarily as it will and can balloon unexpectedly, so just avoid or give in asap.

Wishing you all a happy and blessed time with your respective partners.


ps: did u ever notice how super nice and respectful you are to strangers or friends etc, but at home for some reason you cant spare a bit of that kindness or chance to your loved ones? drop the case/issue, and give ur partner/parent/sibling a chance... an honest chance :)

Great advice. POTW
 
I think people are too demanding nowadays. That's the main factor.

People are willing to compromise less nowadays.

Also, there is the expense factor.
 
Firstly so much money is wasted on the razzmatazz that comes with weddings nowadays. The expectations of the bride are too much for a working man after marriage when she wants the best of everything. In Pak a typical lady from say Lahore not only wants a wealthy hubby but one that obeys all her demands as well. I have noticed how today's newly wedded men listen much more to their wife and in-laws then their own parents and siblings. The poor man doesn't know if he should listen to his spouse or Mum that will only lead to complications. These Saas-Bahu type Pak drama's that the lady is addicted to only ends up in the break down of the marriage.

The wedding ceremony should be a simple one prior to which everything should be decided. If the lady will be a homemaker then a specific amount of housekeeping should be given to her weekly or monthly. If she is working then she keeps everything that she earns then both keep a balance with their parents and in-laws.
 
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It depends mate... very subjective and situational based topic...

I and my wife are alhamdulillah doing just fine after 12 yrs and 2 kids (its a challenge, but its doable, raising ie)

I have toxic family members/khandaan etc, but i made 1 thing clear to my wife, nothing and no one comes before me and her, not parents, not siblings, nor kids, nor extended family or friends... mantain respect and things in tact between ourselves as #1 priority, everyone and everything comes secondary. And alhamdulillah, it has kept us together, obviously we have little issues or ups and downs like any normal couple would, but we work on it and get through it.

Financially, alhamdulillah again we are on same page, we have set certain goals and limitations and stay within our boundaries and know our financial reach. Alot of couples cant get past the my money ur money issues etc, need to realize its OUR money once married.

We give each other the due space, time, and attention, and dont have bloated egos... if one can suppress the ego and be flexible a wee bit, that also goes a long way. And finally, dont argue with the woman unneccessarily as it will and can balloon unexpectedly, so just avoid or give in asap.

Wishing you all a happy and blessed time with your respective partners.


ps: did u ever notice how super nice and respectful you are to strangers or friends etc, but at home for some reason you cant spare a bit of that kindness or chance to your loved ones? drop the case/issue, and give ur partner/parent/sibling a chance... an honest chance :)

If both you and your partner are making same ballpark would you ask your wife to contribute rent?
 
Women are educated and are more aware of their rights now. They are not going to sit silently in a corner and take husbands abuse ad hope that some day her husband will understand her.
 
In our part of the world, marriage has always been a gamble...a lottery. You will be damm lucky if the arranged person turns out to be the one you desire.
 
My thoughts too. Unfortunately the relatives in question are the traditional, desperate, what-happens-if-we-die-and-daughter-is-unmarried types. You'll be surprised at what they'll put up with.

Also my guess is that they were too shocked to react.

Oh man, this was way too funny :))) Sorry.
 
Oh man, this was way too funny :))) Sorry.

Its a real life scenario. If the daughter is not educated enough to support herself and she is not married at the time of her parents death, she is ripe to be exploited by men around her.

In many desi families, a woman is still a burden that needs to be offloaded to some unsuspecting bakra so that parents of the girl can breathe easy.
 
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