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Why has no Russian/USSR president ever visited Pakistan?

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Vladimir Putin has been in power in Russia for the almost 20 years, but he never went to Pakistan. But, he has visited India many times.
It often happens that if an American President visits India, then also visits Pakistan, but Putin never did it.

It is not just about Putin. No President of Russia has visited Pakistan till date. Even when Russia was part of the Soviet Union, No president visited Pakistan

India is the only country in South Asia where Putin comes. After all, why is it so?
 
In 2012, Russian president Vladimir Putin announced to pay a state visit to Pakistan soon after his re-election, later he cancelled it, citing other crucial engagement.

When Putin canceled the tour to Pakistan in 2012, many types of questions started to arise in the Pakistani media. India was also told as a reason in this.

Many reports appeared in media that India pressured Putin not to go to Pakistan.

:kp
 
Pakistan have good relations with China and USA.

Is Russia really needed? :inti

India need Russia because they have bad relations with both USA and China. India is pretty isolated currently. :inti
 
If you need answering that then you are the biggest history illterate going... seriously.
 
This guy’s obsession with every little detail and trivia associated with Pakistan is hilarious.

If not bumping op failed tandoor thread he is cooking up some other random topics on Pak 😂 🤣 :wenger :moyo2

Next thread: why did Nirvana never mention Pakistan in their songs
 
If you need answering that then you are the biggest history illterate going... seriously.
This guy’s obsession with every little detail and trivia associated with Pakistan is hilarious.

If not bumping op failed tandoor thread he is cooking up some other random topics on Pak 😂 🤣 :wenger :moyo2

Next thread: why did Nirvana never mention Pakistan in their songs
No Limits" Partnership: West Rattled by Russia-India Ties

Look like same way I ratted you . Answer the question which I asked in OP .

:klopp :kp
 
No Limits" Partnership: West Rattled by Russia-India Ties

Look like same way I ratted you . Answer the question which I asked in OP .

:klopp :kp
You think Pakistanis are sitting around stressing meaningless things like you? :wenger



So and so gora didn’t visit my country oh nooo
:yk2

Guess same reason Maria Sharapova didn’t know who Sachin was :asghar
 
No Limits" Partnership: West Rattled by Russia-India Ties

Look like same way I ratted you . Answer the question which I asked in OP .

:klopp :kp
1. Pakistan was in USA camp in Cold War.
2. Pakistan helped destroy USSR by inflicting a humiliating defeat in Afghanistan.
3. Pakistan does not need Russia when it can leverage China for weapons and the gulf states for oil.
4. India is Russia's weapons customer.
 
Russia is no longer a big player.

There are only 2 big players in the world right now and those are USA and China. Pakistan have good relations with both. India don't.

India's allies are cows, Russia, and Taliban. LOL. :qdkcheeky

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This guy’s obsession with every little detail and trivia associated with Pakistan is hilarious.

If not bumping op failed tandoor thread he is cooking up some other random topics on Pak 😂 🤣 :wenger :moyo2

Next thread: why did Nirvana never mention Pakistan in their songs
No one can beat @finalfantasy7 and @sweep_shot when it comes to details about a country they don't seem to care much about :cobra
 
US, China use Pakistan as a proxy to contain India.

Russia has no such desires because of its historic warm relations with India and its the reason why they have not attempted to build strong relations with Pakistan.

Also Pakistan’s plate is full with charitable foreign partners some of which don’t like each other. It’s not practical for them to add another. Yes if they want to actually buy things and build a relationship that way like India does, there could be a limited relation with Russia.
 
There was a lot of bad blood behind the scenes and perhaps openly between the USSR/Russia and Pakistan.

Russians had some grudges related to the Afghan war, and suspcions that Chechen Rebels were being aided by ISI aswell.

Despite being technically Non-aligned the old consensus was India is with Russia and Pakistan is with America. That shifted and became a bit more fluid recently, but nevertheless is largely true.
 
1. Pakistan was in USA camp in Cold War.
2. Pakistan helped destroy USSR by inflicting a humiliating defeat in Afghanistan.
3. Pakistan does not need Russia when it can leverage China for weapons and the gulf states for oil.
4. India is Russia's weapons customer.
Makes it extremely weird that Imran Khan chose to risk his Prime Ministership by visiting Russia at the worst possible time

- Pakistan had no capability to refine Russian Crude so couldn't really buy it
- Russia was on the verge of an invasion of Ukraine. In fact, I think they invaded within a day or two
- Pakistan was very dependent on US support in forums like the IMF and the States had been vocally against Putin
- The powerful Pakistan army was beholden to the USA
- Important trading partners like Europe were very opposed to Putin

I still don't understand why Imran went ahead. I'm not saying that was the reason his government collapsed but it was very likely the straw that broke the camel's back.
 
Makes it extremely weird that Imran Khan chose to risk his Prime Ministership by visiting Russia at the worst possible time

- Pakistan had no capability to refine Russian Crude so couldn't really buy it
- Russia was on the verge of an invasion of Ukraine. In fact, I think they invaded within a day or two
- Pakistan was very dependent on US support in forums like the IMF and the States had been vocally against Putin
- The powerful Pakistan army was beholden to the USA
- Important trading partners like Europe were very opposed to Putin

I still don't understand why Imran went ahead. I'm not saying that was the reason his government collapsed but it was very likely the straw that broke the camel's back.
You are a level headed and rational poster but your level headed and rational analysis doesn;t work for Pakistani politics.

Politics in Pakistan means machinations, symbols, power moves - economy and actual political theory can go to hell. The average person doesn't expect these things from politicians, heck, to be a good siasatdan in the eyes of the public is to manoeuvre and split up other parties, or steal their members.

At the time of the meeting with Russia, Pakistani relations with America was at their lowest. The army and political classes were engaging in some diplomatic *** for tats. Putin had incredible public support amongst the aam Pakistani. "Politically", it was a move from Imran to show he was distancing from the USA, no other thought was given to economics, the symbolic move had massive public support.

We thought it could go one of two ways - Pakistan could finally release itself from the US grip, or the US would woo them back. They chose a third way, removed Imran and kept us in the cold anyway. The Gaza genocide and need for Muslim allies, plus Modi' launching Sindoor somehow gave Pakistan a way back in from the cold and back where the establishment thrives.
 
You are a level headed and rational poster but your level headed and rational analysis doesn;t work for Pakistani politics.

Politics in Pakistan means machinations, symbols, power moves - economy and actual political theory can go to hell. The average person doesn't expect these things from politicians, heck, to be a good siasatdan in the eyes of the public is to manoeuvre and split up other parties, or steal their members.

At the time of the meeting with Russia, Pakistani relations with America was at their lowest. The army and political classes were engaging in some diplomatic *** for tats. Putin had incredible public support amongst the aam Pakistani. "Politically", it was a move from Imran to show he was distancing from the USA, no other thought was given to economics, the symbolic move had massive public support.

We thought it could go one of two ways - Pakistan could finally release itself from the US grip, or the US would woo them back. They chose a third way, removed Imran and kept us in the cold anyway. The Gaza genocide and need for Muslim allies, plus Modi' launching Sindoor somehow gave Pakistan a way back in from the cold and back where the establishment thrives.
I think that's the first semi-logical explanation I've read for the visit. It was still obvious to any observer that it was terribly ill-advised. Even India which was a close ally kept it's distance for months - buying crude yes but keeping it very low profile...no symbolism whatsoever. Even bloody China was careful till they figured out the layout of the land.

You're right that I don't appreciate the internal political dynamics so that's fair. I still feel it was a stupid risk to take though to gain some for what couldn't have been a huge gain.

Yes the US is a terrible hypocrite nation that consists with dictators and butchers of it's choice but objects to others doing so but such is the world we live in - especially for a country like Pakistan that needs co-operation from the superpowers. I suppose China is atleast not hypocritical. It's happy to consort with the worst if they fit it's interests and won't lecture anybody else for doing the same unless they go against it's.
 
You are a level headed and rational poster but your level headed and rational analysis doesn;t work for Pakistani politics.

Politics in Pakistan means machinations, symbols, power moves - economy and actual political theory can go to hell. The average person doesn't expect these things from politicians, heck, to be a good siasatdan in the eyes of the public is to manoeuvre and split up other parties, or steal their members.

At the time of the meeting with Russia, Pakistani relations with America was at their lowest. The army and political classes were engaging in some diplomatic *** for tats. Putin had incredible public support amongst the aam Pakistani. "Politically", it was a move from Imran to show he was distancing from the USA, no other thought was given to economics, the symbolic move had massive public support.

We thought it could go one of two ways - Pakistan could finally release itself from the US grip, or the US would woo them back. They chose a third way, removed Imran and kept us in the cold anyway. The Gaza genocide and need for Muslim allies, plus Modi' launching Sindoor somehow gave Pakistan a way back in from the cold and back where the establishment thrives.
Neither does level head, rational approach with Pakistan.
 
Bro your former countrymen are literally worshipping Putin
10 Clown worshipping is news for you .😂😂😂

Even some people's worshipped rawan here

India is nations of population of 1.5 bn . Ase case bhut milenge but ye tumhare liye news hoti hai 😂😂

:klopp :kp
 
A visit by Putin to Pakistan will result in a regime change operation in Pakistan, Imran Khan knows best.
 
A visit by Putin to Pakistan will result in a regime change operation in Pakistan, Imran Khan knows best.
Putin will visit when Pakistan has something tangible to offer for him to visit. IK’s Russia visit may have had a very very small or even no part in his incarceration. That’s a myth some Pakistanis believe I think.
 
10 Clown worshipping is news for you .😂😂😂

Even some people's worshipped rawan here

India is nations of population of 1.5 bn . Ase case bhut milenge but ye tumhare liye news hoti hai 😂😂

:klopp :kp
I'm glad we can agree that these Indians are clown.

Agree to disagree on the rest.

But at least we can start shoulder to shoulder on exposing Indian clowns bro
 
I'm glad we can agree that these Indians are clown.

Agree to disagree on the rest.

But at least we can start shoulder to shoulder on exposing Indian clowns bro
I don't like these people's who worshipped putin, Trump etc.

Neither I like people how enjoy the cow dung and I was not even aware of These events untill a year ago.

India is Very big country where all the types people's lives but we are living in 2025 and these old rituals should end now.

:kp
 
Video unavailable means posted from Pakistan fake propaganda factory. Nog interested :klopp :kp
mans from china, but as the youtuber has stated the indian government has banned him, lol


however how have you claimed that video is posted from pakistan
 
why would pakistan need putin to visit for what reason - especially in current times, hes a dictator



only reason why he visits india, he got you lot to invest into the su-57, as you lot thought russia will provide you the info, but he made sure you had no access, then you lot had to pull out your money,,,, putin knows you will always beg them for thr arms / jets for a overpriced amount,,,,, plus russian oil


the current deal massively favours russia,
 
Some historical context.

The initial period, up to 1951, established strategic preferences and mutual perceptions. Pakistan’s birth was, of course, very difficult and the economic, institutional and strategic inheritances left it feeling vulnerable. As an anxious state it sought financial and military assistance. Britain was in depleted financial health after the war and its role in the Kashmir dispute was not viewed favourably by the Pakistan state. In these conditions many in the establishment thought the USA was the best bet.

This was not uncontested. A faction led by Khawaja Nazimuddin favoured an approach to foreign policy with an emphasis on pan-Islamic links. There were also some scattered leftist voices that advocated a more balanced approach that included closer engagement with the Soviet Union. Ultimately the faction led by Ghulam Muhammad, Zafrullah Khan, Ayub Khan and Iskander Mirza, steered Pakistan toward a pro-Western orientation. This early orientation shaped Soviet perceptions of Pakistan as a state within the American sphere of influence.

It was symbolically significant that Liaquat visited the US in 1950 rather than Moscow. It also says much about the anxious mindset of the elite that Liaquat expended great energy in the trip in trying to persuade the US of the need for a territorial guarantee for Pakistan underwritten by the US and Britain. Although Liaquat made a good impression, the material outcome was meagre. No promises of aid, no territorial guarantee, no assurances on Kashmir. Liaquat was disappointed and therefore did not agree with his cabinet that Pakistani troops should be sent to Korea.

When in 1951 the US provided significant amounts of aid to India, compared with the offer to Pakistan, even Ghulam Muhammad complained that it had left them feeling like “a prospective bride who observes her suitor spending very large sums on a mistress, i.e. India, while she herself can look forward to no more than a token maintenance in the event of marriage.”

Although the evidence remains inconclusive, it has been suggested that, shortly before his assassination, Liaquat had begun reconsidering Pakistan’s unqualified alignment with the West. Yet by this point, the basic strategic direction had already been set in motion.

Pakistan’s formal entry into Western security arrangements (SEATO in 1954 and CENTO in 1955), institutionalised its alignment with the US and reinforced Soviet perceptions of Pakistan as a state in the Western camp.

These foundational choices explain the early estrangement with the Soviet Union, which later developments reinforced. The Soviet Union’s increasingly close military and diplomatic partnership with India during the 1960s and 1970s culminating in the the 1971 Indo-Soviet Treaty of Peace, Friendship and Cooperation was a further ‘nail in the coffin’. The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979 and Pakistan’s central role in the US-backed mujahideen resistance sealed the antagonism.
 
Some historical context.

The initial period, up to 1951, established strategic preferences and mutual perceptions. Pakistan’s birth was, of course, very difficult and the economic, institutional and strategic inheritances left it feeling vulnerable. As an anxious state it sought financial and military assistance. Britain was in depleted financial health after the war and its role in the Kashmir dispute was not viewed favourably by the Pakistan state. In these conditions many in the establishment thought the USA was the best bet.

This was not uncontested. A faction led by Khawaja Nazimuddin favoured an approach to foreign policy with an emphasis on pan-Islamic links. There were also some scattered leftist voices that advocated a more balanced approach that included closer engagement with the Soviet Union. Ultimately the faction led by Ghulam Muhammad, Zafrullah Khan, Ayub Khan and Iskander Mirza, steered Pakistan toward a pro-Western orientation. This early orientation shaped Soviet perceptions of Pakistan as a state within the American sphere of influence.

It was symbolically significant that Liaquat visited the US in 1950 rather than Moscow. It also says much about the anxious mindset of the elite that Liaquat expended great energy in the trip in trying to persuade the US of the need for a territorial guarantee for Pakistan underwritten by the US and Britain. Although Liaquat made a good impression, the material outcome was meagre. No promises of aid, no territorial guarantee, no assurances on Kashmir. Liaquat was disappointed and therefore did not agree with his cabinet that Pakistani troops should be sent to Korea.

When in 1951 the US provided significant amounts of aid to India, compared with the offer to Pakistan, even Ghulam Muhammad complained that it had left them feeling like “a prospective bride who observes her suitor spending very large sums on a mistress, i.e. India, while she herself can look forward to no more than a token maintenance in the event of marriage.”

Although the evidence remains inconclusive, it has been suggested that, shortly before his assassination, Liaquat had begun reconsidering Pakistan’s unqualified alignment with the West. Yet by this point, the basic strategic direction had already been set in motion.

Pakistan’s formal entry into Western security arrangements (SEATO in 1954 and CENTO in 1955), institutionalised its alignment with the US and reinforced Soviet perceptions of Pakistan as a state in the Western camp.

These foundational choices explain the early estrangement with the Soviet Union, which later developments reinforced. The Soviet Union’s increasingly close military and diplomatic partnership with India during the 1960s and 1970s culminating in the the 1971 Indo-Soviet Treaty of Peace, Friendship and Cooperation was a further ‘nail in the coffin’. The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979 and Pakistan’s central role in the US-backed mujahideen resistance sealed the antagonism.
Awesome post as always KB.

Would you say as a successor state to the British Empire, ‘great game’ context also comes into play for pak? For example the Durand line is a consequence of the ‘great game’ which Pak inherited, and in turn also inherited the politics.

Talking about the pan-Islamic angle, the USSR (formerly Russian empire) subjugated many Muslim lands, and defeated the ottomans comprehensively. Being a ‘muslim homeland’ I think Pak never looked at ussr as a natural ally.
 
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Awesome post as always KB.

Would you say as a successor state to the British Empire, ‘great game’ context also comes into play for pak? For example the Durand line is a consequence of the ‘great game’ which Pak inherited, and in turn also inherited the politics.

Talking about the pan-Islamic angle, the USSR (formerly Russian empire) subjugated many Muslim lands, and defeated the ottomans comprehensively. Being a ‘muslim homeland’ I think Pak never looked at ussr as a natural ally.
These are great points and yes, I think some weight needs to be given to these two factors.

On the strategic inheritance: the areas that became West Pakistan were annexed by Britain later than the rest of India and were seen largely through the prism of security owing to its strategic location and fear of Russian invasion. The north-west was seen as a buffer zone. Paternalism and authoritarianism were therefore given a freer rein here in colonial times. Close connections between bureaucrats, landlords and the army had also already formed during the colonial period. Pakistan inherited the strategic mindset about the north-west.

On ideological inheritance: as the historian Barbara Metcalf once wrote, “a passionate attachment to a Muslim identity has been a constant in Pakistan’s self-image.” Another historian, Qasim Zaman has pointed to the excitement that many of the modernist leaders and citizens felt in the early years: “In hindsight, blurred as it is by the state’s chronic political instability and eventually its dismemberment in 1971, it is easy to miss the excitement that the creation of Pakistan had produced among many of its citizens. This excitement did nothing to alleviate the severe problems that the country faced in its early and subsequent years. But it would be difficult to make sense of some of the grandiose modernist rhetoric that we will encounter in the following pages without recalling the euphoria that had accompanied the birth of this Muslim homeland.”

With this background, there was always going to be some suspicion amongst a section of actors of aligning with ‘Godless’ Soviet Union.
 
You think Pakistanis are sitting around stressing meaningless things like you? :wenger

Yeah I would say so considering there are more India related threads on this forum than Pakistani related .

India is a state of consciousness for Pakistanis...
 
Some historical context.

The initial period, up to 1951, established strategic preferences and mutual perceptions. Pakistan’s birth was, of course, very difficult and the economic, institutional and strategic inheritances left it feeling vulnerable. As an anxious state it sought financial and military assistance. Britain was in depleted financial health after the war and its role in the Kashmir dispute was not viewed favourably by the Pakistan state. In these conditions many in the establishment thought the USA was the best bet.

This was not uncontested. A faction led by Khawaja Nazimuddin favoured an approach to foreign policy with an emphasis on pan-Islamic links. There were also some scattered leftist voices that advocated a more balanced approach that included closer engagement with the Soviet Union. Ultimately the faction led by Ghulam Muhammad, Zafrullah Khan, Ayub Khan and Iskander Mirza, steered Pakistan toward a pro-Western orientation. This early orientation shaped Soviet perceptions of Pakistan as a state within the American sphere of influence.

It was symbolically significant that Liaquat visited the US in 1950 rather than Moscow. It also says much about the anxious mindset of the elite that Liaquat expended great energy in the trip in trying to persuade the US of the need for a territorial guarantee for Pakistan underwritten by the US and Britain. Although Liaquat made a good impression, the material outcome was meagre. No promises of aid, no territorial guarantee, no assurances on Kashmir. Liaquat was disappointed and therefore did not agree with his cabinet that Pakistani troops should be sent to Korea.

When in 1951 the US provided significant amounts of aid to India, compared with the offer to Pakistan, even Ghulam Muhammad complained that it had left them feeling like “a prospective bride who observes her suitor spending very large sums on a mistress, i.e. India, while she herself can look forward to no more than a token maintenance in the event of marriage.”

Although the evidence remains inconclusive, it has been suggested that, shortly before his assassination, Liaquat had begun reconsidering Pakistan’s unqualified alignment with the West. Yet by this point, the basic strategic direction had already been set in motion.

Pakistan’s formal entry into Western security arrangements (SEATO in 1954 and CENTO in 1955), institutionalised its alignment with the US and reinforced Soviet perceptions of Pakistan as a state in the Western camp.

These foundational choices explain the early estrangement with the Soviet Union, which later developments reinforced. The Soviet Union’s increasingly close military and diplomatic partnership with India during the 1960s and 1970s culminating in the the 1971 Indo-Soviet Treaty of Peace, Friendship and Cooperation was a further ‘nail in the coffin’. The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979 and Pakistan’s central role in the US-backed mujahideen resistance sealed the antagonism.
Come on KB, how can u forgot to mention the U2 plane incident
 
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Come on KB, how can u forgot to mention the U2 plane incident
The 1960 U-2 incident was a certainly a dramatic event and was a turning point in Soviet-Pakistan relations but in a more complicated way than we might first think.

The Soviet Union certainly reacted furiously. Apparently the Soviet premier Nikita Khrushchev approached the Pakistani ambassador at a reception in Moscow, and told him that he had drawn a big red circle around Peshawar on his map. Thirteen days after the incident, Khrushchev warned that in the future, not only would flights be shot down but the foreign bases from which the flights had taken off would “receive shattering blows.”

But it could also be argued that the incident was a contributory factor in a strategic ‘awakening’ and re-direction. It was an embarrassing moment for Pakistan. There were always voices in Pakistani society that opposed aligning so closely with the US. Even Ayub Khan may have felt let down that such a provocative mission had been launched from Pakistani soil, with limited Pakistani control over its timing and risk.

It brought home to Ayub and others the risks of over dependence on the US. In the end the incident was a contributory factor in tilting Pakistan towards China. Pakistan also sought to mend some fences with the Soviet Union. Significantly in 1961, Pakistan signed an Oil Exploration Agreement with the Soviet Union in areas such as Attock, an economically modest but symbolically important step.

So, ultimately the incident triggered a crisis but in the medium term contributed to a rebalancing of relations, though it was to be realised more in a tilt towards China than Russia. The incident was a factor, alongside the 1962 Sino-Indian war and later US policies, that forced Pakistan to rethink putting all its eggs in one basket.
 
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