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Why has the Bangladesh cricket team not shown any improvement in two decades?

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Saw some of the scores in the ongoing BD-NZ series and BD has been poor as always. BD has the same cricket crazy fans, has a large population etc. - factors that have helped India and Pakistan consistently produce great cricketers over the years. Bangladesh, in contrast, has not produced a single world class batsman or bowler (maybe Shakib, but even he is just above average I think). Why is that? And do you think that changes going forward? Will this team ever start delivering results in tests and odis? I am genuinely puzzled and hoping for some serious answers. Not looking to pull down BD fans.
 
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dildilpak said:
Saw some of the scores in the ongoing BD-NZ series and BD has been poor as always. BD has the same cricket crazy fans, has a large population etc. - factors that have helped India and Pakistan consistently produce great cricketers over the years. Bangladesh, in contrast, has not produced a single world class batsman or bowler (maybe Shakib, but even he is just above average I think). Why is that? And do you think that changes going forward? Will this team ever start delivering results in tests and odis? I am genuinely puzzled and hoping for some serious answers. Not looking to pull down BD fans.
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India took longer to reach acceptable level team. I have full faith that Bangladesh will be a top team in future. May take a decade or two more but it will happen.

They are going threw a trough right now. It looks worse because their peak wasn't all that bright or long.
 
JattMaula said:
India took longer to reach acceptable level team. I have full faith that Bangladesh will be a top team in future. May take a decade or two more but it will happen.

They are going threw a trough right now. It looks worse because their peak wasn't all that bright or long.
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You are not getting the point. Agree that India took longer to be an acceptable team, but looking back at their history even back then there were always good individual batsmen who shone in that era. Here, even after decades the Bangla bros they are yet to find international quality batsmen except Shakib & for a spin friendly country, no quality spinner either. This is the most puzzling thing - how can the cricket crazy country have only 1 or 2 international quality players in its decades of playing cricket.
 
JattMaula said:
India took longer to reach acceptable level team. I have full faith that Bangladesh will be a top team in future. May take a decade or two more but it will happen.

They are going threw a trough right now. It looks worse because their peak wasn't all that bright or long.
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India took longer as it was limited to elite class, as such the talent pool was self restricted. It started changing in 70s and we started winning overseas series. Decade by decade we made improvements.

Now we also need to understand Bangladesh has a very big football culture, so lot of sporting attention goes in that direction.
 
dildilpak said:
You are not getting the point. Agree that India took longer to be an acceptable team, but looking back at their history even back then there were always good individual batsmen who shone in that era. Here, even after decades the Bangla bros they are yet to find international quality batsmen except Shakib & for a spin friendly country, no quality spinner either. This is the most puzzling thing - how can the cricket crazy country have only 1 or 2 international quality players in its decades of playing cricket.
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Bangladesh is suffering from what India did in 90s under Azhar, and 2010s under Dhoni. That is creating spin friendly tracks and winning easily and staying in a bubble that they are world class side. Just like Indian team of those era, when they travel outside they get badly beaten and hoping for redemption in the next home series.
 
They won a U19 WC last year. May be in another 5 years, we may see a resurgent Bangladesh winning a match or two in overseas.
 
It is not fair to say Bangladesh haven't shown any improvement since their debut. They had such poor techniques and weren't attractive to watch with the likes of Akram Khan and Khaled et all. The next batch of players helped them peak in the early to mid 2010's with world class players like Shakib, Tamim, Rahim and Mashrafe in their midst. They were mostly unbeaten at home and suffered from typical Asian problems while travelling abroad.
Like most teams with limited resources and not wanting to get out of their comfort, they invested and focussed on developing a predminantly spin dominant system with little place for pace bowlers. While this used to work well at home, teams are now exploiting this with their onw set of spinner. Also with the fact that the golden 4 have aged and will no longer be a force as they used to be and the next set like the Soumya Sarkars and the Liton Das havent yet shown the temperament to replace them.
But as seen in the U19 WC they do have a set of talented kids and they need to be shown the right direction. Batting and Pace Bowling has to be worked upon and improved.
 
BD reminds me in a lot of ways how India was a few decades back. But ifeel, wit the passion there, and with BD's improving economy, they should put in the infra and once they do this, no reason why they cant succeed. Good luck and joy Bangla - from an indian fan.
 
Disgrace that they get smashed by Afghanistan in a test match series at home.

Even the Zimbabwe games are 50-50.

Give it up, we have Ireland and Afghanistan who thrive despite the odds. I guess Bangladesh and sport aren't made for each other.
 
Around 2013 to 2017 they were showing improvement and were gathering a group of decent players but they have for some reason nosedived since. [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] what happened? I never shared your optimism that they will become a #4-#6 side above Pakistan, NZ and SL but I didn’t expect this either
 
As if we are performing so good. How can people forget Australia tour where our bowlers cannot even take 10 wickets in a test match. Both Australia and NZ beat us left right and center. Also we fail miserably thanks to rain to save us humiliation.
 
Ramsay said:
They won a U19 WC last year. May be in another 5 years, we may see a resurgent Bangladesh winning a match or two in overseas.
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Means nothing tbh. Pakistan are always semi finalists or have a good run in that tournament. We are never really top 4 in all formats for 1-2 years let alone a 6-7 year reign
 
Bangladesh received their Test status prematurely so they were up against it from day one. However it's not unusual for a new international team to struggle in the early years of development. New Zealand did not win a single Test series in their first 39 years. Sri Lanka won once in their first 11 years. Nevertheless they have a much larger population base from which to draw talent so their lack of progress is frustrating.

Lower ranked sides should at least make their home a fortress, yet Bangladesh have lost Tests to Afghanistan, Zimbabwe and West Indies. One wonders what'll happen when their big names retire, so BCB needs to invest in their infrastructure to develop successors.

Cricket is not like other participation sports like football where anyone can pick up a football, use bins as goalposts all at little cost. You need well funded systems to identify talent at an early age, ensure they have access to properly maintained facilities, are coached by trained professionals to bring them to an elite standard.

Even then success is not guaranteed. You also need a competitive FC system, but I can't imagine Bangladesh's domestic tournaments being particularly strong if you remove their international cricketers. What about psychological grooming ? Bangladesh have been so flaky under pressure, losing many close matches.

That's why sound administration is so important. Yet BCB President seems to love the limelight, involve himself in selections and team affairs which cannot help things.
 
CrIc_Mystique said:
BD reminds me in a lot of ways how India was a few decades back. But ifeel, wit the passion there, and with BD's improving economy, they should put in the infra and once they do this, no reason why they cant succeed. Good luck and joy Bangla - from an indian fan.
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Which decade would that be?

It can't be the 60s. We beat New Zealand in New Zealand 3-1 near the end of the decade. And in that decade we had batsmen like Vijay Manjrekar, Sardesai, Borde (AR), Engineer (WK) bowlers of the calibre of Bedi, Prasanna, Gupte, Kunderan.

Can't be the 70s - we won a famous overseas 1-0 series victory in England right at the start of that decade under Wadekar. And even before that we won 1-0 in West Indies. Debutant Gavaskar had a calypso written after him. The spin quartet was in full cry.

Can't be the 80s- I seem to recall we famously won an ODI world cup beating the West Indies. Won a Test series 2-0 against England in England in 1986. Gavaskar, Mohinder Amarnath, Azharuddin, Vengsarkar, Kapil Dev. What else? Oh yeah, end of the decade there was a debutant, a short, chubby, squeaky voiced kid whose name I now forget...

Can't be the 90s. Granted it was a pretty lousy decade for us and I can't recall a single overseas Test series win. But even so we drew a series in NZ. Of the 68 Tests played we did manage to win or draw 72% (Link as a starting point for anyone who wants to analyze: https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...=span;template=results;type=team;view=results)

And then of course SRT, Ganguly, Dravid, Laxman, Kumble, Srinath, Prasad.

Can't be the 2000s Yeah, not excellent, but hey check out that 2001 Test in Calcutta and Dravid/ Laxman vesrus all Australia.

Can't be the 2010s - No need to even go there. WC 2011. Series overseas victories over Australia, batting and bowling stocks.

Can't be the decade starting 2020 till date- I mean c'mon.

So, in closing, are we to go back to India in the 50s? I'll leave that for someone else, but a won/loss/draw comparison between India 1950s) with BD (any decade) will sort that out too IMO. And before independence is no comparison.

Don’t get me wrong- India's evolution hasn't been easy and we've been mediocre before. BUT at no stage in their Test journey(or ODI or T20 journey) has Bangladesh done anything sustainably to compare them to India, either in terms of results or quality of players. India has won famous overseas victories, consistently produced world class players, geniuses even going back decades.

What recognizable and universally acknowledged glorious moments have Bangladesh had? What great wins? What great players save Shakib (I won’t call him ATG)?

I wish Bangladesh the very best. But let's get real here.
 
"Bangladesh should be given time because India/New Zealand took N years to win a test series" is a total copout.

We probably played 20 games in a decade back then, while Bangladesh play 100+.

Obviously they're not going to walk away from the sport, so the rest of us should do the kind thing and let them loose. Ireland and Afghanistan have the goods, maybe we can try Nepal next and see what they've got.
 
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Which decade would that be?

It can't be the 60s. We beat New Zealand in New Zealand 3-1 near the end of the decade. And in that decade we had batsmen like Vijay Manjrekar, Sardesai, Borde (AR), Engineer (WK) bowlers of the calibre of Bedi, Prasanna, Gupte, Kunderan.

Can't be the 70s - we won a famous overseas 1-0 series victory in England right at the start of that decade under Wadekar. And even before that we won 1-0 in West Indies. Debutant Gavaskar had a calypso written after him. The spin quartet was in full cry.

Can't be the 80s- I seem to recall we famously won an ODI world cup beating the West Indies. Won a Test series 2-0 against England in England in 1986. Gavaskar, Mohinder Amarnath, Azharuddin, Vengsarkar, Kapil Dev. What else? Oh yeah, end of the decade there was a debutant, a short, chubby, squeaky voiced kid whose name I now forget...

Can't be the 90s. Granted it was a pretty lousy decade for us and I can't recall a single overseas Test series win. But even so we drew a series in NZ. Of the 68 Tests played we did manage to win or draw 72% (Link as a starting point for anyone who wants to analyze: https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...=span;template=results;type=team;view=results)

And then of course SRT, Ganguly, Dravid, Laxman, Kumble, Srinath, Prasad.

Can't be the 2000s Yeah, not excellent, but hey check out that 2001 Test in Calcutta and Dravid/ Laxman vesrus all Australia.

Can't be the 2010s - No need to even go there. WC 2011. Series overseas victories over Australia, batting and bowling stocks.

Can't be the decade starting 2020 till date- I mean c'mon.

So, in closing, are we to go back to India in the 50s? I'll leave that for someone else, but a won/loss/draw comparison between India 1950s) with BD (any decade) will sort that out too IMO. And before independence is no comparison.

Don’t get me wrong- India's evolution hasn't been easy and we've been mediocre before. BUT at no stage in their Test journey(or ODI or T20 journey) has Bangladesh done anything sustainably to compare them to India, either in terms of results or quality of players. India has won famous overseas victories, consistently produced world class players, geniuses even going back decades.

What recognizable and universally acknowledged glorious moments have Bangladesh had? What great wins? What great players save Shakib (I won’t call him ATG)?

I wish Bangladesh the very best. But let's get real here.
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Great post! And frankly I think Bangladesh in the last couple of decades have got a lot more exposure than Indian and Pakistani teams in their initial two decades. There are multiple formats, more tours, more global tournaments. So many more chances to improve and prove yourself. Technology and globalization has made flow of knowledge and training so much easier. They have had international coaches and participation of international players in their domestic T20 tournaments. And if anything they have only regressed in recent years. Again this is not meant to pull down the team or its fans -- its just perplexing. I would have thought they should atleast have produced a few dominant batsmen in the shorter formats.
 
They have been progressing slowly but they have been progressing.

Today a Ind/Eng/Aus vs Bang odi series in Bangladesh will be competitive

T20 game they are poor but they will spring 1-2 upsets.

Yes in tests they are hopeless.

In other countries tests they are obviously hopeless but they will win an odd game here and there in LoI’s

They have won U-19 WC, they were finalists in the last 2 asia cups and 3 out of the last 4-5 asia cups. One of them in T20 format.

They do have 3-4 international quality players.

It’s not all doom and gloom.

They are only moving upwards and their board is definitely smarter than a lot of other Boards.

They are probably one significant moment in their history away (and by that not an odd win) to go to the next level. By that I mean a series win against a top team in tests or an ICC tournament even if it is a lower tier one like Asia cup or CT.
 
Not that I have anything against Bangladesh, but it's really funny how all.the Indians here are in full defense of them.
 
dildilpak said:
Great post! And frankly I think Bangladesh in the last couple of decades have got a lot more exposure than Indian and Pakistani teams in their initial two decades. There are multiple formats, more tours, more global tournaments. So many more chances to improve and prove yourself. Technology and globalization has made flow of knowledge and training so much easier. They have had international coaches and participation of international players in their domestic T20 tournaments. And if anything they have only regressed in recent years. Again this is not meant to pull down the team or its fans -- its just perplexing. I would have thought they should atleast have produced a few dominant batsmen in the shorter formats.
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In fact I agree a 100% with the premise of your thread.

I have two other observations parallel to this.

One is a more a question to which I don't claim to have answers. But it would be interesting to discuss the following:

With the exception of Tamim, Shakib, Mushfiqur Rahim, is there any BD player past or present who could have guaranteed walked into any Indian or Pakistani team from the 1970s onwards?

I guess maybe Mustafizur in some of those 1990s Indian ODI teams? Maybe a few Tests in the 70s and 80s, but hehas a Test average of 36.

Two, I am getting the sense that the BD cricket system is suffering from a kind of fatigue. As minor (not necessarily definitive) evidence, their premier cricket forum, once so vibrant, now looks deserted and it seems fans have at best moved to other online platforms, but at worst they're losing interest. Their best player Shakib no longer seems to give a toss for Tests. God knows what impact that is having on upcoming players. And when Tamim and Mushy retire, well the second line doesn't fill one with confidence, as I see little evidence of consistent, sustainable talent emerging, more the hit and miss (mostly miss, but hit 30-50 once in a while) types.
 
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They need to take chance and prepare fast bowling pitches , that is required to change the mind set . they need to look for long term gains rather than short term ones.
 
There's really no getting around the fact that they have a shocking lack of talent. Maybe that will change in the future. But Bangladesh has been in the game for 20+ years and has produced only one world-class player that would walk into any team. In a country of 160 million+ that's terrible.

Making comparisons to 1920s New Zealand or early days India is not right. Those were very different times. There were no leagues, no structured multi-format domestic competitions, there certainly weren't as many ways to identify talent as there are now.

The only positive for Bangladesh is that every generation of players has been better than the previous. So they should hope that continues to happen. I imagine there will be alot of hopes for the U-19 WC winning class of youngsters to one day become big international names. Let's wait and see if it happens...

But for the foreseeable future I see Bangladesh being the same slightly above minnow level side. While the minnow status in test cricket is definitely not changing for a very long time.
 
There were many more moments in Indian cricket that comparison is not even funny.
Few additions: 1985 World series, Asia cup in same decade, drawn series in Aus 1980s, Drawn series against IK's Pak 1989, Series Win in Sl 1993, Hero cup 1993, Johansbug test 1997, Dhaka Final win vs Pak chasing 316, test series wins at home vs Mark Tailor' s Aus and Cronje's SA, Tri Series Win in Sharjah vs Aus, Drawn Series Eng 2002, Won Series in Pak 2004, Multiple odi wins in SL against strong SL team in Dhoni's era, Drawn Series in Sa and Sl, Thrashed Nz in 2009 both odi and tests, 2007 T20 win in 1st edition itself, CB series in Aus 2008, Eng Series win 2007 test series and many more.
Infact, every other Asian country had won something of note in every decade except powerhouse.
 
Can't really judge based on the performances in NZ. Not many can win there. They have been decent at home. The real issue is with bowling. Fizz doesn't look effective for some reason. He's a much better bowler. Shakib's absence always hurts. And finally, how many chances are they going to give to Sarkar? He seems to be the "affirmative action" pick. Very mediocre player that's been given too many chances and performs once a year.
 
Bangladesh did not have a proper FC system. They got test status without a proper cricket set up. Even Sri Lanka & Zimbabwe had outstanding school & college cricket system which nurtured talent. In Bangladesh they had Dhaka Premier League ( ODI ) but little else

Ow they have a proper FC system in place & results should show in ext. few years. Winning Youth World Cup is sign of things to come

BTW all this talk of weak genetics & physique is ridiculous. Bangladesh now has higher per capita income than Pakistan & almost on par with India. So average calorie / protein intake & nutrition levels wud be similar. Pretty sure there are lots of hardy rural folks who wud make good pace bowlers. What's missing is the cricket infra to turn talent into results
 
I think the mentality is the biggest culprit.

BD fans, players, and management become happy way too easily. They focus too much on "chetona" (excessive nationalism) and less on real improvement. A simple home series win can make our government give out flats, cars etc. to players.

Last but not least, domestic cricket of Bangladesh is a big joke. It is corrupt too.

Also, board president Nazmul Hossain is pretty much a dictator. He has no real cricket background yet he interferes in all matters.

I don't think there is a shortage of talent. The lack of improvement is down to stinky attitude and bad management of Bangladesh cricket.
 
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It has. It is much more competitive now. NZ and India were crap for decades when they started. Now they are the 2 best teams. BD will also be a giant in the near future.
 
What is wrong with Bangladesh?

So much craze in the fans, investment in cricket and a booming economy and yet we see the same shamelessness after shamelessness!!!
 
gazza619 said:
What is wrong with Bangladesh?

So much craze in the fans, investment in cricket and a booming economy and yet we see the same shamelessness after shamelessness!!!
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1) Mentally not strong enough.

2) Physically not strong enough. Can't play big shots. Big muscles are key for today's batters. Need to bulk up.

3) Board corruption. Board president interferes in everything despite not being qualified.

4) Arrogance. Small success often gets to head.
 
sweep_shot said:
1) Mentally not strong enough.

2) Physically not strong enough. Can't play big shots. Big muscles are key for today's batters. Need to bulk up.

3) Board corruption. Board president interferes in everything despite not being qualified.

4) Arrogance. Small success often gets to head.
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All those points can be addressed though, right?

Surely they can find strong talented kids for the next batch?
 
They need to win a major tournament and use that as an example to build confidence. They have not won anything major.

They improved a little bit in Mid-2010s and if I remember they called themselves the favorites for WC 2019 but besides the one victory against SA, they were pretty dismal.

They got slaughtered by Pakistan and Shaheen and Babar put them in their place.
 
Attitude of players and fans is to blame.
Small successes are treated like major successes. BD beat England in one test at home on a turning track (series was drawn) and the players were given plots of land by the government. They win an Odi series at home (after losing the test series) and the players are feted and hero worshipped.

Mentality of minnows.

Also, quite simply, BD players look unathletic and small compared to other countries.
 
To lose 100 test matches out of 134 tests is frankly a diabolical record. They have been thrashed in most of these 100 tests. And if you look at the 16 tests they have won, only a handful are worth mentioning (the magnificent win in NZ this year, the wins against England, WI and NZ at home. I would chalk off the away series win against WI ( 2 tests) as it was the Windies 4th team virtually. Heck, they list to Afghans at home very easily!

BD should not really be playing tests.
 
They are the most arrogant team with absolutely nothing to show for. Their fans are annoying, players are head strong, missing skills, physically lacking, poor quality bowlers, batsmen rooted in old style, poor athleticism, unwillingness to work hard, poor first class structure, players are haphazardly put together for each fc season, corruption, list goes on

And did I miss they are arrogant?
 
I hate discouraging upcoming teams, but Bangladeshi Cricket in general (from their board to the fans) live in a distorted sense of reality, and this borderline delusion about their abilities makes them satisfied with where they are at. I see no hunger to improve in their Cricket team, they are already superstars despite their county-level skillset, and there's nothing more they could ask for.

Another reason is culture, sporting excellence isn't a thing I would associate with Bangladesh or even Indian Bengal. There's a lot lacking there.
 
GreenBee said:
I hate discouraging upcoming teams, but Bangladeshi Cricket in general (from their board to the fans) live in a distorted sense of reality, and this borderline delusion about their abilities makes them satisfied with where they are at. I see no hunger to improve in their Cricket team, they are already superstars despite their county-level skillset, and there's nothing more they could ask for.

Another reason is culture, sporting excellence isn't a thing I would associate with Bangladesh or even Indian Bengal. There's a lot lacking there.
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100% correct.
They have also failed to grasp one fundamental fact. The whole point of being promoted to a test nation in 2000 was to compete in tests. Yet, their players and fans quickly cottoned on to the fact they suck at tests and made 50 over cricket the ‘main format’.
- BD have won some ODI series where they were thrashed in the tests and decided that they won the tour overall 😅 (a big example - Pakistan 2015)
- players like Fizz have excluded themselves from tests now as their mentality is the same
- their fans are deluded beyond belief and think their players are world beaters and simply not getting the results!! The fact is Ireland and Afghanistan would thrash BD in any format away from BD and Afghans would win in BD too.

The players are unathletic, lacking in skills and arrogant but are treated as superstars.

This is not a witch-hunt against BD. I just find their delusion and arrogance nauseating.
 
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I hate discouraging upcoming teams, but Bangladeshi Cricket in general (from their board to the fans) live in a distorted sense of reality, and this borderline delusion about their abilities makes them satisfied with where they are at. I see no hunger to improve in their Cricket team, they are already superstars despite their county-level skillset, and there's nothing more they could ask for.
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Hold up - who said Bangladesh can even compete with county teams? Or Ranji teams? Or Shieffield Shielf teams?
 
Arrogance doesn't matter much, Shakib is plenty arrogant and he's an ATG. The issue is lack of talent and skill. Bangladesh simply doesn't produce cricketers who're good at cricket. I don't care about the reasons why they're bad, there should be like a dozen factors. Fact is, Shakib is a huge outlier and the rest of Bangladesh players are talentless plebs

I am more concerned about Sri Lanka, they're having constant ups and downs.
 
Bangladesh Cricket Board is likely to make wholesale changes in their coaching set-up following the ongoing ICC Men's ODI World Cup 2023.

A BCB source confirmed the development to Cricbuzz and added that future of head coach Chandika Hathurusingha and assistant coach Nick Pothas is not under cloud at the moment since they only joined the team in the months leading up to the World Cup.

That said, there is no guarantee that will remain the case if the pair doesn't come up with results.

It is understood that BCB is not interested in extending the contract of their pace bowling coach Allan Donald and spin bowling coach Rangana Herath along with their fielding coach Shane McDermott.

Meanwhile, team's analyst Shrinivas Chandrasekaran is all set to quit his position after the showpiece tournament in India, albeit for personal reasons.

Shrinivas, who joined the team in 2017, told the BCB officials that he couldn't continue further after this tournament due to excessive travel. Cricbuzz understands that BCB offered him a contract extension to be with the national set-up after the ongoing global event but he refused to accept it.
 
Bangladesh was given test status in 2000 when they really don't deserve that. There was not a single world class player in that team whom the upcoming generation would have idealized. And since then there were numerous occasions when they lost against associates like ireland, kenya, afganistan, cannada, Netherlands etc and that too on more than one occasion. But the attitude of players like shakib, mushfikur were like superstars of the game. Honestly I beleive shakib is a very overrated all-rounder, no matter that he is rated as number one in icc rankings for so many years.
 
FearlessRoar said:
Bangladesh Cricket Board is likely to make wholesale changes in their coaching set-up following the ongoing ICC Men's ODI World Cup 2023.

A BCB source confirmed the development to Cricbuzz and added that future of head coach Chandika Hathurusingha and assistant coach Nick Pothas is not under cloud at the moment since they only joined the team in the months leading up to the World Cup.

That said, there is no guarantee that will remain the case if the pair doesn't come up with results.

It is understood that BCB is not interested in extending the contract of their pace bowling coach Allan Donald and spin bowling coach Rangana Herath along with their fielding coach Shane McDermott.

Meanwhile, team's analyst Shrinivas Chandrasekaran is all set to quit his position after the showpiece tournament in India, albeit for personal reasons.

Shrinivas, who joined the team in 2017, told the BCB officials that he couldn't continue further after this tournament due to excessive travel. Cricbuzz understands that BCB offered him a contract extension to be with the national set-up after the ongoing global event but he refused to accept it.
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Do they seriously believe these are the reasons why BD had a disappointing show in subcontinent conditions? Some of these guys played before 90% of the world cup members played for their country.
 
Like Pakistan they are also moving in circles, Shakib was skipper 12 years ago and after 7 captain he is back at the helm, players who have potential are suddenly left in oblivion lol Anamul Haq Bijoy Soumya Sarkar etc
 
As long as they keep playing in MCG (Mirpur cricket ground) they'll never improve. It will give short term gains but on a long term it'll be detrimental and gives a false sense of security.

We in India too produce rank turners in tests but we also have a variety of other pitches. BD need to do an entire overhaul of strategy and diversify pitches.
 
I feel they don't have a desire to become good. Opinions of their fans over the social media give that indication.

They need to drop all the seniors except Shakib, as they are not used to winning or make them bat in top order. Coming at 6-7 is a junior player mentality or it means you are just playing as an utility player. Guy like Mehidy with an average of 22 gets promoted at times whenever they lose early wickets. Preventing collapse should be a job senior batters.
 
Bangladesh and Pakistan now are probably on par in terms of cricket ability and difficulties in FTP why not these boards sign a MoU to have their own Ashes Series namely "71" it will definitely be better for Pakistan than to play Netherlands Zimbabwe Afghanistan.

A 5 Test and 5 ODI series home and away every 2 years will make up for some cricket, add to it good sporting wickets specially for fast bowlers be made to test the batsmen this definitely worth a go!

Because one thing is for sure they cannot catch India now.

April May 2024 BD should tour Pakistan for 5 Test Series
 
Kianig89 said:
Bangladesh and Pakistan now are probably on par in terms of cricket ability and difficulties in FTP why not these boards sign a MoU to have their own Ashes Series namely "71" it will definitely be better for Pakistan than to play Netherlands Zimbabwe Afghanistan.

A 5 Test and 5 ODI series home and away every 2 years will make up for some cricket, add to it good sporting wickets specially for fast bowlers be made to test the batsmen this definitely worth a go!

Because one thing is for sure they cannot catch India now.

April May 2024 BD should tour Pakistan for 5 Test Series
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Pakistan are a level above Bangladesh.

I think Pakistan should do that with Sri Lanka. Both Pakistan and Sri Lanka are at same level (5th and 6th).
 
Bangladesh has always SHakib as wolrd no.1 all rounder. But not batsman or bowler. For top sides statpadders are not ideal. But for a team like Bangladesh they need statpadders. Lots of them. They need top ranked batsman, top ranked bowlers in longer formats. Average , strike rate everything has to be good. Should be comparable with world class players. Once they start producing it they will automaticall produce better team. In every metric you analyze they are at the bottom of the table in the bating department.
 
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Pakistan are a level above Bangladesh.

I think Pakistan should do that with Sri Lanka. Both Pakistan and Sri Lanka are at same level (5th and 6th).
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India , NZ , England and Australia are ahead of Pakistan , rest Pakistan can manage over a bigger sample.
 
1) There is not a good system in place. That's the number 1 reason. Current system is not good at identifying and nurturing talents.

2) Players are rewarded for very little performance. This has to change. A Test win against Australia shouldn't result in winning plots/apartments, for example.

3) Lastly, culture of Bangladesh is not ideal for any sport. It is way too laidback in nature.

4) Another point I want to mention is it is a very small country with about 170-million people. There are only like 3-4 proper cricket grounds in entire country. There are far bigger issues than cricket.
 
The Googly said:
100% correct.
They have also failed to grasp one fundamental fact. The whole point of being promoted to a test nation in 2000 was to compete in tests. Yet, their players and fans quickly cottoned on to the fact they suck at tests and made 50 over cricket the ‘main format’.
- BD have won some ODI series where they were thrashed in the tests and decided that they won the tour overall 😅 (a big example - Pakistan 2015)
- players like Fizz have excluded themselves from tests now as their mentality is the same
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Test is getting ditched by players of other countries too. Test is not affordable for teams outside of big 3.

Many South African, Windies, and Sri Lankan players ditched Test.

Can't blame Mustafiz.
 
I don’t believe it’s a nutrition thing or that they’re not good at sports. Over time anyone can improve: in my own lifetime I have seen urban kids (not sportsmen) in India go from average heights of five and a half feet to now where five ten or eleven is common.

First, I feel that BD fans (not referring to most BD forumers here, but in general) expect too much from their team. They give the vibes of being world beaters when they’re not even average. That sets up an atmosphere of entitlement that devastates them when they inevitably lose at key moments.

Second their cricket management - BCB- sucks. How can you have the same guy (Papon) running cricket for more than a decade? Organisations grow through churn, new management and new ideas.

Third, they do not have a strong infrastructure to support their domestic cricket. Before they won the WC, for decades Sri Lanka had their school cricket which was extremely strong and competitive. India had a very competitive FC structure. Bangladesh doesn’t give the same impression.

There are other reasons but these are my top 3
 
Cryin Out Loud said:
Second their cricket management - BCB- sucks. How can you have the same guy (Papon) running cricket for more than a decade? Organisations grow through churn, new management and new ideas.
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I agree with you on this.

Papon is an MP with the ruling party. So, he has considerable power. He is unlikely to go anywhere, unless he is removed by his own party.

He is the BCB head since 2012. He has a habit of meddling in team selections (even though he has no real cricket background).

BCB needs to be an independent body for it to flourish properly.
 
Bangladesh do not have a culture of excellence in any field. As for sports, they are arguably the poorest sporting nation on earth. They have taken to cricket thanks to the backing of BCCI in late 1990s when they were given test status when they were not ready for that. Even today, 25 years later, they have barely made anything more than incremental progress.

There is no sporting culture in Bangladesh. A Bangladeshi batsman, who shows promise in a domestic match gets hyped as a batting superstar in Bangladesh. This, plus their false sense of superiority and living in denial means that they do not see any reason for improvement. They think they are already outstanding and that their defeats are because of bad umpiring etc. Their sense of entitlement and delusion of grandeur, when they have no achievements in cricket (besides winning a few bilateral series mostly at home) means they have stagnated in cricket and they are unlikely to progress much.

That, coupled with corruption in BCB means that there is not much hope for Bangladesh cricket. If other countries like Afghanistan and Netherlands are given the same opportunities that Bangladesh have been given, then these countries will turn out to be better than Bangladesh in cricket.
 
Bangladesh is not a small country by population. It is the third most populous country (After India and Pakistan) to play cricket. Bangladesh is 8th most populous country in the world.
 
Them doing a victory lap of the stadium after beating someone in a JAMODI is hilarious - proves that they still have a minnow mentality.

Winning a game of cricket is probably a surprise to even them.
 
It's because bangladesh accepts mediocrity, if they fluke a win against top teams its always a suprise to them.

Whereas afg genuinely believes that they can beat any team which is why they give Pakistan frequent heart attack anytime they play.
 
Their growth is stagnant….. they chocked between minnow team and top team for longer duration
 
latecut said:
Bangladesh is not a small country by population. It is the third most populous country (After India and Pakistan) to play cricket. Bangladesh is 8th most populous country in the world.
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It is a very small country by landmass. 170-million are crammed into 148,460 km² of land.

There aren't many cricket grounds and facilities. There are only like 3 proper cricket grounds in the entire country (Mirpur, Chattogram, and Sylhet).

Indian landmass is 3.287 million km² and Pakistani landmass is 796,095 km².
 
They need to come up with players that are unique. Fiz is the only one unique player they have produced. But he has been figured out. Same old finger spinners mostly left arm ones. Fast bowling is good. They are not fully matured. That is one area they have some promise. They should take part in County cricket understand the rigors there. You can develop your overall skills, work ethic.
 
sweep_shot said:
It is a very small country by landmass. 170-million are crammed into 148,460 km² of land.

There aren't many cricket grounds and facilities. There are only like 3 proper cricket grounds in the entire country (Mirpur, Chattogram, and Sylhet).

Indian landmass is 3.287 million km² and Pakistani landmass is 796,095 km².
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Man full stadiums and infrastructure can be built in a single square kilometer. Whole Bangalore stadium along with NCA is under a square kilometer. Same with most Indian stadiums. Less landmass is a hilarious excuse. BD has been talking about huge GDP growth, booming economy etc. India was poor and only started to invest in sports when the GDP per capita reached arou d $800 to $1000. BD has been there for a while. Construction of a stadium in a cricket crazy nation for a supposed booming economic country shouldn't be a problem
 
1999 group stage
2003 group stage
2007 super eights
2011 group stage
2015 quarter-final
2019 group stage
2023 group stage

Bangladesh is still on the journey to secure a place in the semi-finals.
 
Simply lack of domestic cricket structure and less apportunities to desrving players halting their ways.

You can see how Mahmudullah got a chance at last moment else he was also not a part of the WC squad, same thing happened with tamim iqbal too.
 
Their plenty of reasons but the biggest is still minnow mindset.

Afghanistan genuinely believes their a top team and can beat anyone. They don't back down irrespective of who the team is and give it their all.

Bangladesh from 2012 and then in 2016 made statements such as how their favourites to win Asia cup and how they'd crush Pakistan and that's exactly what happened.

In 2012 they reached Asia cup final amd in 2016 they crushed Pakistan 3-0. Yes Pakistan was undergoing a crippled transition stage due to misbah, but its still impressive.

Since then bangaldesh have regressed. Their senior players are aging and done for and they have a minnow mindset, beating a top tier team is seen as a suprise and a once in a blue moon performance. Its almost as if they have no belief they can win the cup.

Even nedtherlands genuinely is fighting because their going with the theirs nothing to lose mindset so just give it your all.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Simply lack of domestic cricket structure and less apportunities to desrving players halting their ways.

You can see how Mahmudullah got a chance at last moment else he was also not a part of the WC squad, same thing happened with tamim iqbal too.
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The BCB/Hathura did not want Tamim, Mahmudullah and Mushifq to play

Mushfiq performed very well in his new position of 6, which is why they had to take him

They tried 3 players as replacements for Mahmudullah, all of them failed spectacularly in the Afghan/Asia Cup/Irish series. Which is why they grudgingly took him
They dropped tamim after an ugly maneuver by making a condescending offer to him, which he turned down (and he is a bit emotional as well) and they used that as an excuse to drop him

And Shakib hampered team morale with his pre WC interview where he insulted Tamim and mildly criticized Mahmudullah

Tamim led the team for 2.5+ years and had a lot of support within the team. The new captain insulting the old one was not good for the team morale at all

The main selector under Papon is Nannu, a mediocre player in his days and who is in his position only due to his proHasina background and who has strong player preferences

As for the coach, there was no reason to rehire Haturasinghe. Russell Domingo wasnt bad at all, and BD's performance under Haturu is far worse than under Domingo
 
dildilpak said:
Saw some of the scores in the ongoing BD-NZ series and BD has been poor as always. BD has the same cricket crazy fans, has a large population etc. - factors that have helped India and Pakistan consistently produce great cricketers over the years. Bangladesh, in contrast, has not produced a single world class batsman or bowler (maybe Shakib, but even he is just above average I think). Why is that? And do you think that changes going forward? Will this team ever start delivering results in tests and odis? I am genuinely puzzled and hoping for some serious answers. Not looking to pull down BD fans.
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It's high time Bangladesh is revoked of test status - Afghanistan has done so much more with so much less. Nepal and Hong Kong deserve test status over Bangladesh.
 
Their own coaches have said that they are genetically limited. No need to look further into it.
 
Hellion said:
Their own coaches have said that they are genetically limited. No need to look further into it.
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But this can be overcome with good diet and gym. Problem is BD players are not smart - likes of Shakib and Mushfiqur seem to be very simple minded.
 
Surprised that this thread has been bumped considering BD is not playing currently and hasn't played in a while.

Anyway, BD has improved in pace department. They now have some good pacers. Allan Donald did a good job with the pacers.

Overall, more improvements are needed. Batting has declined. If they can sort out batting, they can win more games.
 
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