Why have England not learnt anything from Bharat Arun's Indian bowling tactics in Australia?

[Savak]

The biggest key to India's victory and consistent pressure on the Australian tour was the fact that not once did Australia score 400 runs. The Australian formula for success is to score big runs either batting first or batting first in the second innings and score big runs i.e. 500-600 runs at a very brisk rate and then allow the bowlers to bowl with freedom.

Indians did their homework beautifully on each and every Australian batsman and rather than fall for the common approach of bowling (which most bowling sides adopt in Australia) i.e. on offstump, just outside for the first hour and a half before the Australian batsmen wrecked havoc on the tiring bowlers (who under pressure for failing to pick up wickets and go striving for wickets later on and end up spraying the ball everywhere), they instead decided to target the off, middle stump and placing fielders on the leg side and backed themselves to bowl loads of dot balls, forcing the batsmen to try to flick the ball straight to the beautifully placed fielders on the leg side, forcing the batsmen to shovel across the line bringing the lbw into play, making the odd delivery outside the offstump or bouncer to induce the batsman desperate to break the shackles to make a mistake.

It is the most beautiful piece of planning and execution i have ever seen a visiting team do in Australia with regards to bowling and field placements in Australia. The Indian bowling side with their success from their first tier bowlers to third/fourth tier bowlers proved that you can succeed in Australia even if you don't have pace, height, bounce as long as you do your research on the opposition and religiously stick to a plan.

I am just shocked that England have turned up to this ashes and have not learnt anything from India's success in Australia. They need to follow the same template i.e. aggressively and ruthlessly target the off, middle stump and stack the fielders on the leg side, dry up the runs and the Australian batsmen will succumb to the pressure.

 

[Savak]

Bharat Arun explains how India caught Australian batsmen off guard

The Indian team management had started preparing for the Australia tour from July last year. As the country was slowly returning to normalcy after the lockdown, India’s coaching staff - under the leadership of head coach Ravi Shastri - had come up with a plan to tackle Tim Paine’s men during the long series.

The idea was to bowl in the straight line and make the Australian batsmen struggle on the leg side. And months later, as India yet again defeated Australia 2-1 in the Border-Gavaskar Trophy, India’s bowling coach Bharat Arun was happy that their planning and hard work paid off.

“Ravi Shastri called me sometime in July and said we need to take the offside out of the Australians. We had our own analysis and we felt that most of the runs that Steve Smith and Marnus Labuschagne scored were because of cut, pull and on the offside. We took cue from the New Zealand attack. When they bowled to Smith, they just attacked his body and he felt very uncomfortable,” Arun said during a media interaction on Friday.

“Ravi called and said ‘I want you to make a plan where we can eliminate their offside’. We thought about it and decided that we will attack more on the straighter lines and have an on side field. It becomes very difficult for the batsman to consistently clear the on side field. That worked for us. The thought process started sometime in July and then when we discussed it with Virat, he bought the theory. We used the same thing in Adelaide and then Ajinkya was magnificent from Melbourne. The bowlers adjusted to that beautifully,” Arun said.

Arun has been with the Indian team since 2014 - he was out of the side for a while and was brought back again in 2017 - and his partnership with head coach Shastri has helped the team.

“As a head coach, Ravi has been outstanding. He gives you the freedom to work and anyone in the support staff would tell you that he gives you a lot of freedom and you can express yourself. You have common goals for the team, but it is about how can I contribute to this goal. We have our arguments, showdowns. We totally disagree on things but at the end of the day, when we decide on something, we stick to it. We consult the captain and everyone and then come up with the strategy,” Arun said.

“It helps when you know someone for that long. It gets a lot easier to agree and also to disagree, which is important in any relation," the bowling coach said.

The India team faced many injury challenges during the Test series and Arun lauded Shastri for having the foresight to retain a few of the limited-overs specialists for the Test series.

“The Australian tour itself is a big challenge. Any past cricketer who has toured Australia would know that. It's probably one of the most challenging tours. I think in the COVID times, it was a good move by Ravi Shastri to hold back all the net bowlers as well. After the ODI series, most of them were supposed to go back, but somehow, we thought that in case anything happens to a player, it will be impossible for anyone to come because of restrictions. We said we will manage with everyone and since they were with us for long, it was possible for them to understand what was demanded of them to be successful in Australia.”

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/crick...le33635823.ece

 

[jnaveen1980]

Short ball is another thing that England is not bowling much. Stokes was the one who attempted genuine short balls. Just because they grew up playing in Australia doesn't mean they are all masters of short balls. That is where Archer could have been useful. There are two countries Archer would have loved to play Tests. 1) Australia 2) South Africa. Hasn't played in both places.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

[MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION] Pace absolutely does matter in Australia. Over the last 4 years, India has had the 2and fastest bowling attack in terms of average speed in Australia after the Aussies themselves. We also had an attack that swung and seamed the ball more than the Aussies and were more accurate as well.

England dont have the pace to compete(Wood apart). Also the Indian bowlers did not really change the areas they bowled. What they did do was vary their release points slightly by going wider or going straighter and that had Aussie bstsmen a bit confused.

It's not that easy to pull off.

 

[Varun]

England are a middling team. They do place a lot of emphasis on test cricket and Ashes series, but a bit like Pakistani players before the streak ended - they probably think too much of it to come up with a consistent strategy to be successful every time they go down under.

As a result, the series results are almost always 4-0/5-0. Over a decade has passed since they won a test match in Australia, who have won more than a handful in England during this period, as have many others.

 

[Swashbuckler]

As good as Indian pacers were, our spinners were the real difference between the two teams. While Lyon struggled big time, Indian spinners even the debutant Washington Sundar kept the Aussies batsmen on a tight leash.

It doesn't get repeated enough, in my opinion Ashwin's bowling was one of the all time great bowling efforts by a visiting spinner in Australia. Not just his telling contribution in getting big wickets (Warner, Smith, Labu), but the way he controlled the innings whenever he was on, I have never seen a visiting spinner torture Aussies like that. So many long spells where he would just dry up the scoring rate, going at less than 2 runs per over. I was checking his stats from all tours to Australia, even the 2015 series where we saw super flat tracks. So many times his ER would be 1.5-2, sometimes well over 50 overs. When a partnership would develop Ashwin would get 1-2 wickets and bowl something like 10 overs for 8 runs giving India back the momentum, his impact especially last time was tremendous. Had the series stopped in Sydney where he also batted heroically for almost 4 hours to draw the test, he was my man of the series. Pity he missed the Brisbane test.

A spinning option like that gives the captain control over long period of play, keeps pacers fresh, doesn't allow the Aussies to run away with the game, helps over rate in testing weather conditions etc. Visiting spinners like Yasir, Herath, Santner, Moeen, Leach, Tahir would often go at 5-6 runs per over, sometimes even 8-10, big difference, and not pick wickets.

I think the feat of Indian pacers can be matched by other teams if they plan well, but not so sure about spinners from other countries. Remember this is a country where finger spinners from outside have always struggled, graveyard for offies if you look at the record of Murali, Harbhajan, Ajmal etc.

 

[Swashbuckler]

As a unit the Cummins-Hazlewood-Starc troika is hard to top in Australia. At best you can match them, Bumrah-Shami-Siraj and Rabada-Nortje-Olivier can, Archer-Wood-Robinson trio isn't at that level in test cricket, Shaheen doesn't have good partners for those kind of pitches, NZ doesn't have hit the deck seamers apart from Wagner rendering that team ineffective.

Aussie pitches are tailormade for their team. Flat pitches, true batting conditions (even, high bounce), aiding strokeplay to help their top 7 get loads of runs, remember their post-2011 teams haven't been that good against lateral movement so the drop-ins have only helped them at home. Likewise best pitches for their 1.9-2 m tall, 140kph seamers who bowl hard lengths outside off all day to draw errors. These kind of pitches help their 'hit the deck hard' pacers more than visiting pacers and even someone like peak Steyn isn't going to be as big a threat as 1.95 m tall equally skillful Cummins on these pitches. Since Starc is erratic, sometimes they can be reduced to a 2 man pace attack which can be equalled by visitors.

But key difference is the spinner Lyon. Excellent bowler who is an expert on Aussie pitches but not a Warne, not remotely close. Easier to trump him and gain a significant edge in bowling department like it happened last summer.

A team like India can match or come close to matching the Aussie pace attack down under while maintaining a clear edge in spin bowling because of the variety of options, quality, experience and depth. That makes India the best overall bowling unit in Aussie conditions, capable of taking 20 wickets for a manageable aggregate more often than other teams.

 

[Pakhs]

[MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION] Pace absolutely does matter in Australia. Over the last 4 years, India has had the 2and fastest bowling attack in terms of average speed in Australia after the Aussies themselves. We also had an attack that swung and seamed the ball more than the Aussies and were more accurate as well.

England dont have the pace to compete(Wood apart). Also the Indian bowlers did not really change the areas they bowled. What they did do was vary their release points slightly by going wider or going straighter and that had Aussie bstsmen a bit confused.

It's not that easy to pull off.

England are a middling team. They do place a lot of emphasis on test cricket and Ashes series, but a bit like Pakistani players before the streak ended - they probably think too much of it to come up with a consistent strategy to be successful every time they go down under.

As a result, the series results are almost always 4-0/5-0. Over a decade has passed since they won a test match in Australia, who have won more than a handful in England during this period, as have many others.

I dont think England bowling is an issue, Its their batting that has consistently let them down in Australia.

To win in Australia you need a GUN batting line up and then bowling looks after itself, it just needs to be a decent bowling attack. Currently there are atleast 4 teams who have a decent bowling attack for Australian conditions England, SA, IND and NZ but only India's batting line up have put the runs on the board or chased down scores required to win games in Australia recently. For example India wins have come chasing a fairly big totals in 4th innings for most other teams thats too bigger a total chase comfortably.

 

[Pakhs]

As a unit the Cummins-Hazlewood-Starc troika is hard to top in Australia. At best you can match them, Bumrah-Shami-Siraj and Rabada-Nortje-Olivier can, Archer-Wood-Robinson trio isn't at that level in test cricket, Shaheen doesn't have good partners for those kind of pitches, NZ doesn't have hit the deck seamers apart from Wagner rendering that team ineffective.

Aussie pitches are tailormade for their team. Flat pitches, true batting conditions (even, high bounce), aiding strokeplay to help their top 7 get loads of runs, remember their post-2011 teams haven't been that good against lateral movement so the drop-ins have only helped them at home. Likewise best pitches for their 1.9-2 m tall, 140kph seamers who bowl hard lengths outside off all day to draw errors. These kind of pitches help their 'hit the deck hard' pacers more than visiting pacers and even someone like peak Steyn isn't going to be as big a threat as 1.95 m tall equally skillful Cummins on these pitches. Since Starc is erratic, sometimes they can be reduced to a 2 man pace attack which can be equalled by visitors.

But key difference is the spinner Lyon. Excellent bowler who is an expert on Aussie pitches but not a Warne, not remotely close. Easier to trump him and gain a significant edge in bowling department like it happened last summer.

A team like India can match or come close to matching the Aussie pace attack down under while maintaining a clear edge in spin bowling because of the variety of options, quality, experience and depth. That makes India the best overall bowling unit in Aussie conditions, capable of taking 20 wickets for a manageable aggregate more often than other teams.

They have a better batting unit and have been performing atleast on par or better than home batsmen since late 2000s.

 

[street cricketer]

What makes you think England didn't look into India's successful plans in Australia?

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We will look at how India went about their business in Australia: England coach Silverwood

England's head coach Chris Silverwood says his team will look to take a cue from India's game plan, which saw the visitors script a stunning, come-from-behind Test series triumph in Australia earlier this year, when they face their traditional rivals in the upcoming Ashes.

Down 0-1 after being skittled out for 36 in the opener, an injury-ravaged India staged an incredible comeback to claim the four-match series in their last series in Australia.

"I think we'll be very competitive (in the Ashes). We look at the fact Australia have been very strong over the years and we have to respect them. But we have over the last 6-7 months played the top two teams in the world, learned a hell of a lot.

"We look at India, how do they go about their business. They've shown a game plan that was successful over there and so we will be learning from them. There is a strong belief we can do something very special," Silverwood was quoted as saying by 'Cricbuzz'.

India used no fewer than 20 different players during their four-Test series in difficult, hostile conditions.

England are seeking to reclaim the Ashes for the first time since 2015. Silverwood was speaking after naming his 17-man squad for the series which begins in Brisbane on December 8.

He also said his team has become battle-hardened having played top sides like India in recent times.

"We are battle hardened. We had some success along the way and we've proven we can compete with India.

"The important thing for me is our players have seen what the best in the world look like, they've played against it, they've felt what it is to have them push against us. We've also tasted success against them.

"Look at the Headingley Test when we came back very strong, which shows that we have got the skills within the ranks to take 20 wickets and push the best. So I see that as a real positive, a real galvaniser to the group, to better handle pressure now that they see it more and more, which is great."

Silverwood also said that his coaching staff would study how India's bowlers operated during their series in Australia.

"We watched how India performed in Australia (last winter) and we tried to learn lessons from them. What we will be doing is looking back over the plans India used and adapting any of those to what our bowling attack is.

"How do we get the best out of the bowling attack we have got rather than worrying about what we haven't got. There is nothing we can do about that so it's pointless. We will be using the skills we have in the best possible way and I do believe that we can make it work."

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...england-coach-silverwood-101633970513445.html

 

[shaz619]

England can’t do a copy paste job with the same tactics when their players have a different skill set. India’s bowlers were perfect for those tactics. England would still have looked at what worked for India but mostly should also have looked at what worked when they won down under last time.

 

[jnaveen1980]

India being competitive in Australia is nothing new. Apart from 2 or 3 series India went toe to toe with Australia in some series utterly dominated Australia ( 1985/2003/2018)

 

[street cricketer]

Silverwood before the Ashes:

Silverwood also said that his coaching staff would be reviewing how India's bowlers operated during their series in Australia. After espousing the virtues of a varied bowling attack throughout his time as head coach, Silverwood has only been able to pick one of the three 90mph plus bowlers he wanted to take - Jofra Archer and Olly Stone are both injured - while Sam Curran, the left-arm option, has also been ruled out.

It leaves England with a battery of right-arm fast-bowlers who all operate in the 80-85mph category. A similar bowling attack failed to make much impression during the 2017/18 series. "Every plan has got to be adaptable," Silverwood said. "We have got one 90 mph bowler in there in Woody [Mark Wood]. But I think the one thing that we have got in the bowling attack is supreme accuracy. You look at the bowlers that are there and the one thing they are very good at is hitting the stumps and bringing the stumps into play time and time again.

England bowlers in the Ashes:

 

[jnaveen1980]

Silverwood before the Ashes:



England bowlers in the Ashes:

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Broad did bowl well. But even his good length balls, full balls went over the stumps. Bit more bouncy here. Also Warner was standing way outside the crease so they had to shorten the length. You need a bit of pace to push them back.

 

[Buffet]

As if it is easy to copy what Indians did in Aus. A huge factor was Ashwin/Jadeja bowling long spells with
2 runs per over and also picking up wickets. Who is going to do that for Eng?

For context,

Last 4 tests for Ashwin in Aus - 220+ overs - ER 2.2 AVG 27 with 18 wickets.

Whenever he was not playing, Jadeja stepped up nicely. He has a better average with a slightly higher ER.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

It's foolish to think the Australians themselves wouldn't have looked at Indian bowling plans. Even they would have come up with some good strategies to counter it against England.

I feel Shami, Siraj and Bumrah are severely underrated on this forum. They've bowled well in all conditions and no wonder India started winning outside as soon as they sorted their fast bowlers. Add Ashwin who is an ATG and this is one of the finest test bowling attacks post 2000.

 

[street cricketer]

It's foolish to think the Australians themselves wouldn't have looked at Indian bowling plans. Even they would have come up with some good strategies to counter it against England.

I feel Shami, Siraj and Bumrah are severely underrated on this forum. They've bowled well in all conditions and no wonder India started winning outside as soon as they sorted their fast bowlers. Add Ashwin who is an ATG and this is one of the finest test bowling attacks post 2000.

Been saying it for a long time. Shami-Bumrah pairing with Ishant as the 3rd pacer have been the most consistent among all pace attacks across all conditions in the last few years. Siraj's inclusion into the Indian team has only taken the overall pace attack even higher and a Bumrah-Shami-Siraj trio pace attack is a high quality pace attack. It's only you Pakistanis refuse to rate the Indian pace attack because you guys were so used to seeing Kuruvilla and Debashish Mohanty representing India for a long time

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Silverwood before the Ashes:



England bowlers in the Ashes:

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Broad did bowl well. But even his good length balls, full balls went over the stumps. Bit more bouncy here. Also Warner was standing way outside the crease so they had to shorten the length. You need a bit of pace to push them back.

It's a myth that you need to target the stumps a lot in test cricket for better results. Especially in a place like Australia. It is more viable in India. Australian pitches are the bounciest and Indian pitches have the lowest bounce , on average.

In India, and Asia in general, the average percentage of deliveries hitting the stumps is around 12% and in SENA its around 8% I believe.

If you have to hit the stumps in Australia, you have to pitch the ball within 6m from the stumps and full balls are punished severely in Australia. Even today, full balls were taken for 4.3 an over whereas good length was taken for less than 1 an over.

Besides, England did bowl fuller with the new ball as compared to the last tour of Australia. They were around 70cm fuller on average than they were last time. Jimmy, Ollie, Woakes and Barbie are also accurate and is probably the most accurate foursome in test cricket today .

The problem is that this attack just does not have the pace for Australian pitches. None of them average 135 + . Ollie and Broad were mostly bowling in the 120's and Jimmy and Woakes were in the early 130's for the most part. The short ball is useless at that pace as well.

England bowled good areas by an standard. Just cant force the issue when you dont have the extra yard of pace here .

 

[cricketjoshila]

You need to be 85 mph plus to be effective in Australia. None of the English bowlers bowled 140.

Australian batters will plunder this attack in their sleep.

Mark Wood, and there was this another Olly guy, olly stone? Who played against India and he was 145ks.

Also England has no world class spinner who will hold one end up and dry the runs.

Bumrah and Shami are extremely good bowlers. Siraj has been very good in his limited number of days. Add to that 2 class spinners in Ashwin and Jadeja.

Its not easy to replicate what they did.

 

[Devadwal]

Sony in January to release a documantery on India's Test series win earlier this year in Australia named 'Down Underdogs'.

 

[Shafi]

English bowling is not that good to start with.

 

[shamaan]

English bowling is not that good to start with.

It is good but not for the conditions they are currently playing in.

 

[shamaan]

You need bowlers who can hit the deck hard.English bowlers are pitch the ball up bowlers baring wood and Archer

 

[Markhor]

Silverwood before the Ashes:



England bowlers in the Ashes:

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The CricViz guys are saying hitting the stumps is not a helpful stat particularly in AUS where the bounce means LBW doesn't come into play as often as other countries. Pat Cummins only hits the stumps 8% of the time at home. One recent example is of Mohammad Abbas who picked up bucketloads of wickets on low bounce Asian pitches - but he struggled in AUS where batsmen could easily leave him on length.
[MENTION=113824]Nikhil_cric[/MENTION] is right to mention the pace difference. I want to add one more factor - dismissals behind the stumps in AUS account for a very high % of wickets compared to in other Test nations and ENG simply do not catch well.

Infact they've one of the worst slip catching percentages in the world while Buttler has never been a reliable Test keeper. If he takes those catches, we'd saying they've done okay to limit Australia to 220-4 on Day 1.

Where Chris Silverwood deserves to be blasted is how often ENG misread conditions and make poor selection decisions. Yes IND, AUS and NZL have more overall quality and depth, but when you bowl first on a damp, green wicket in Brisbane or pick four seamers on a square turner in Ahmedabad you're not even giving yourselves a chance. Seems a nice person but don't see him surviving the Ashes.

 

[in_cutter]

The biggest key to India's victory and consistent pressure on the Australian tour was the fact that not once did Australia score 400 runs. The Australian formula for success is to score big runs either batting first or batting first in the second innings and score big runs i.e. 500-600 runs at a very brisk rate and then allow the bowlers to bowl with freedom.

Indians did their homework beautifully on each and every Australian batsman and rather than fall for the common approach of bowling (which most bowling sides adopt in Australia) i.e. on offstump, just outside for the first hour and a half before the Australian batsmen wrecked havoc on the tiring bowlers (who under pressure for failing to pick up wickets and go striving for wickets later on and end up spraying the ball everywhere), they instead decided to target the off, middle stump and placing fielders on the leg side and backed themselves to bowl loads of dot balls, forcing the batsmen to try to flick the ball straight to the beautifully placed fielders on the leg side, forcing the batsmen to shovel across the line bringing the lbw into play, making the odd delivery outside the offstump or bouncer to induce the batsman desperate to break the shackles to make a mistake.

It is the most beautiful piece of planning and execution i have ever seen a visiting team do in Australia with regards to bowling and field placements in Australia. The Indian bowling side with their success from their first tier bowlers to third/fourth tier bowlers proved that you can succeed in Australia even if you don't have pace, height, bounce as long as you do your research on the opposition and religiously stick to a plan.

I am just shocked that England have turned up to this ashes and have not learnt anything from India's success in Australia. They need to follow the same template i.e. aggressively and ruthlessly target the off, middle stump and stack the fielders on the leg side, dry up the runs and the Australian batsmen will succumb to the pressure.

Nevermind Eng…when will Pakistan ever learn?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Ashes 2021: Don’t Know Why England Were Bowling a Barrage of Short Balls, Says David Warner

Adelaide: Australian opener David Warner says he is baffled with England’s tactics to bowl short in the second Ashes Test at the Adelaide Oval here, adding that whatever the tourist bowlers throw at them, the home team batters will play the deliveries on merit

England’s barrage of short-pitched deliveries didn’t really work on the opening day as Warner missed the century by just five runs in the second Ashes Test on Thursday, while Marnus Labuschagne made a patient 103 before he was LBW in the opening session on Day 2 on Friday. Also Read - Ashes 2021, 2nd Test: David Warner Wins Hearts With Heart-Warming Gesture, Gifts Gloves to Young Fan | WATCH

England pressed all five of their quicks — Jimmy Anderson, Stuart Broad, Ollie Robinson, Chris Woakes and Ben Stokes — to rattle Australia but to no avail.

Midway through the first session on Day 2 on Friday, Australia were batting on 272/3 from 107.1 overs with stand-in skipper Steve Smith on 41 and first Test ‘Player of the Match’ Travis Head on 11.

“That’s a tactic they have obviously tried to put through to us. I don’t know why they were doing that,” Warner was quoted as saying by sen.com.au on Thursday. “But for us you have to play each ball on its merits. Obviously here it is short square, so you have to back yourself to have a game plan and stick to that.”

Warner said that England should have changed their tactics if they were not working, but they persisted.

https://www.india.com/sports/ashes-...age-of-short-balls-says-david-warner-5143052/

Good explanation from someone who is playing in this series and is in good form.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Ashes 2021: Don’t Know Why England Were Bowling a Barrage of Short Balls, Says David Warner

Adelaide: Australian opener David Warner says he is baffled with England’s tactics to bowl short in the second Ashes Test at the Adelaide Oval here, adding that whatever the tourist bowlers throw at them, the home team batters will play the deliveries on merit

England’s barrage of short-pitched deliveries didn’t really work on the opening day as Warner missed the century by just five runs in the second Ashes Test on Thursday, while Marnus Labuschagne made a patient 103 before he was LBW in the opening session on Day 2 on Friday. Also Read - Ashes 2021, 2nd Test: David Warner Wins Hearts With Heart-Warming Gesture, Gifts Gloves to Young Fan | WATCH

England pressed all five of their quicks — Jimmy Anderson, Stuart Broad, Ollie Robinson, Chris Woakes and Ben Stokes — to rattle Australia but to no avail. Also Read - Ashes 2021, 2nd Test: David Warner and Marnus Labuschagne Lead Australia Innings on Day 1

Midway through the first session on Day 2 on Friday, Australia were batting on 272/3 from 107.1 overs with stand-in skipper Steve Smith on 41 and first Test ‘Player of the Match’ Travis Head on 11.

“That’s a tactic they have obviously tried to put through to us. I don’t know why they were doing that,” Warner was quoted as saying by sen.com.au on Thursday. “But for us you have to play each ball on its merits. Obviously here it is short square, so you have to back yourself to have a game plan and stick to that.”

Warner said that England should have changed their tactics if they were not working, but they persisted.

https://www.india.com/sports/ashes-...age-of-short-balls-says-david-warner-5143052/

Good explanation from someone who is playing in this series and is in good form.

They tried Wagner's approach. Did not work.

 

[Last Monetarist]

They were very inconsistent yesterday:

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Bowled better in the first session today:

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[Varun]

Why do England persist with the 2 HTBs Anderson and Broad?

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

Yes, the plan by Bharat Arun was excellent (in theory) worked in aus where the average bounce is more than say in India or Pak. But what was the most underated was how india had fielders in positions to dry the runs, sometimes we went in with a leg slip- i think gill got a catch off siraj in melbourne -( his first wicket and gills first catch).
the other most under rated thing was how Ash and jads bowled in tandem , they dried the runs were consiteent on middle and leg.
Even the new comers like Washi Sundar was accurate when he got a chance.
Eng look bereft of all ideas, there is monotony sameness in their attack.
If they play really well the final scoreline will be 0-4

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

good innings by neser, good catch by broad
other wise England look cooked ....
i guess will be xciting to watch richardson bowl under lights when its their turn to bowl

 

[Robert]

Because they are badly managed, badly skippered tactically, and have brought the wrong bowlers of whom at least one and perhaps two should have retired.

 

[shamaan]

Because they are badly managed, badly skippered tactically, and have brought the wrong bowlers of whom at least one and perhaps two should have retired.

One of broad or Anderson should play a test at a time.

 

[Amjid Javed]

1) Apart from wood, england have no pacers who will really trouble the Aussie batsmen.

2) in both tests so far englands bowlers have bowled to short a length and not made Aussies play enough. Bowl fuller and set fields accordingly not been done, nor have stumps been attacked.

3) englands fielding has been poor, chance after chance dropped. India generally have caught and fielded well in last few tours here.

4) Bowling selections, rotating bowlers during inns has been poor. This is where a Root and team management have been very poor. i cant see things improving much for england on away tours.

 

[Robert]

1) Apart from wood, england have no pacers who will really trouble the Aussie batsmen.

Mahmood does, and should be there instead of with the Lions.

 

[Justcrazy]

England need to formulate another pace attack without Anderson and Broad. Need to bring in fresh bowlers, also they need a solid test spinner , not someone who can bat , but someone who can get wickets by deceiving the batsmen in the air.

 

[Last Monetarist]

Australia haven't quite pitched up the ball either to Root and Malan, perhaps also a bit conservative with their bowling plans:

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[jnaveen1980]

Australian bowling without Cummins/Hazlewood is clueless. Nobody can match these guys. Retired Pattinson was the only one who was close to these guys.