Why is Umar Akmal in the squad for the Champions Trophy despite failing in Pakistan Cup and PSL?

[ExpressPacer]

I don't think I need to say anything. Apart from being seriously unfit, genuinely fat, a failure in BPL, PSL and his billionth comeback, he has also seriously disappointed in the Pakistan cup that was played on the flattest wickets I have ever seen.

In fact, saying he was a failure in the Pakistan cup is an understatement and doesn't paint the real picture. His performance was abysmal. I repeat, absolutely ABYSMAL throughout the tournament. Slow batsmen like Sami Aslam were hitting the ball out of the stadium for fun and Umar Akmal just played an innings of 36 (52) at a SR of 67. Marvelous. Just marvelous. This guy is supposed to be the beacon of our hopes? We can surely do better.

Personally, I think Umar Amin deserves a chance much, much more than him. He's fit, in form and can bowl well too.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Looks like he's also failed to honor his promise of staying controversy free and being mature with the recent Junaid Khan incident? How much longer will we have to deal with this pathetic player who does not even value a spot in the team and doesn't even work hard for it.

At this point, like another poster said recently, I've started to think he knows some bad secret of the PCB and keeps blackmailing them to get into the team. That's the only explanation I can come up with. I mean, he doesn't even try the tiniest bit to get into the team yet makes it ever so effortlessly every now and then.

 

[Big Mac]

"talunt"

"Aggression"

"attacking"

 

[ExpressPacer]

"talunt"

"Aggression"

"attacking"

I don't understand his fans. Seriously don't even understand how or why he has fans in the first place. At the moment, he is the least attacking player in Pakistan. Even Sohail Khan is a better batsman.

 

[Mir jibran]

and the same guy is supposed to play the role of finisher in ct
God Bless Pakistan

 

[Speedster777]

Inzamam has special love for Akmals. When he was captain of national team he always had kamran in the team. After Inzi became Chief Selector , Umar got captaincy in Pakistan Cup and keeps getting selected in the national side despite being unfit and pathetic with the bat.

 

[Speedster777]

Akmal is even worse TTF than hafeez.

 

[Big Mac]

Inzamam has special love for Akmals. When he was captain of national team he always had kamran in the team. After Inzi became Chief Selector , Umar got captaincy in Pakistan Cup and keeps getting selected in the national side despite being unfit and pathetic with the bat.

It's not a question of a single captain or selector championing these players, it goes deeper than that.

The story on PP goes that Misbah supposedly hated Umar Akmal, and had total control over team selection, yet Junior played more ODIs under Misbah than all but three or four players iirc.

The whole system is broken from top to bottom and that includes the fans and the media.

I don't understand his fans. Seriously don't even understand how or why he has fans in the first place. At the moment, he is the least attacking player in Pakistan. Even Sohail Khan is a better batsman.

Let me show you some colourful tables arranged in order of strike rate...

 

[Markhor]

And he also played in his favoured position at 4 as he was captain.

Are you gonna comment on these failures [MENTION=57576]MRSN[/MENTION] [MENTION=136113]Barragan[/MENTION] [MENTION=139150]aliasad1998[/MENTION] or is the usual excuse about Akmal "not being backed by team management" going to be trotted out ? Even though HE IS the team management !

 

[shaz619]

And he also played in his favoured position at 4 as he was captain.

Are you gonna comment on these failures [MENTION=57576]MRSN[/MENTION] [MENTION=136113]Barragan[/MENTION] [MENTION=139150]aliasad1998[/MENTION] or is the usual excuse about Akmal "not being backed by team management" going to be trotted out ? Even though HE IS the team management !

We need him to open now, he doesn't have a brain but that knack for intent and stroke play should be utilised during the power player overs when only two fielders are outside the circle limiting the probability of Umar finding the fielder

 

[ExpressPacer]

And he also played in his favoured position at 4 as he was captain.

Are you gonna comment on these failures [MENTION=57576]MRSN[/MENTION] [MENTION=136113]Barragan[/MENTION] [MENTION=139150]aliasad1998[/MENTION] or is the usual excuse about Akmal "not being backed by team management" going to be trotted out ? Even though HE IS the team management !

Absolutely. There's almost a million excuses for the lack of good performances he has but all that should be put to rest now. He now has the backing, the captaincy, the control, literally everything because that's how much control domestic captains in Pakistan have but yet he fails. And fails very badly at that..

 

[Hamza_]

I don't know when we will move on from Akmal.

He is a joke of a batsman.

 

[Mamoon]

No decision by the Revolutionary surprises. By far, the worst selector we have ever had.

 

[TahirFan]

Why is Umar Akmal in the squad for CT despite failing in Pakistan Cup and PSL?

Because in the land of the blind , the one eyed is king

 

[SARJ_BD]

Disgusted over Umar's inclusion.
The only reason I see is, no other player (who impressed recently) can bat at 6.

Haris, Umar Amin's exclusion is due to Hafeez and not Umar Akmal

Do we have a better player who bats at 6?

 

[ZoabKhan]

Terrible move. Umar Akmal like many other in this squad have already developed. You know what you are going to get from them. He just doesn't have the mental capacity to live up to his potential. We have invested enough time in him.

Give someone else a chance. Bring in the new talent and back those guys. Rameez Aziz, Saud Shakeel, Kamran Ghulam(what happened to him)..even Umar Amin(whose had some chances)

 

[Barragan]

And he also played in his favoured position at 4 as he was captain.

Are you gonna comment on these failures [MENTION=57576]MRSN[/MENTION] [MENTION=136113]Barragan[/MENTION] [MENTION=139150]aliasad1998[/MENTION] or is the usual excuse about Akmal "not being backed by team management" going to be trotted out ? Even though HE IS the team management !

He played at his favoured position in last years PSL and was the highest run scorer.

Played there in the Oct/Nov tournament and was the highest run scorer there as well.

Don't think he can do it every tournament, otherwise he would be the Don Bradman.

 

[Hasan123]

Tbh I'm not even that upset about him being selected

 

[waqar goraya]

When selectors made their decision he had batted only twice and scored 0 and 77 respectively. That was not very good but not poor either.
We have seen what happened to the teams who were picked on the basis of a single tournament. The exceptional performers of this tournament should get their chances later.
They probably think that he is the best option at 5/6.

He should not be included and excluded in this manner but following is the list of most runs in this tournament so far. Who do you think deserves to be there in his place, considering the 5/6 batting spot?

Fakhar Zaman
Umar Amin
Muhammad Hafeez
Iftikhar Ahmed
Haris Sohail
Khurram Manzoor
Sami Aslam
Sahibzada Farhan

 

[Syed1]

He is arguably the worst batsman we have produced in the last 5-7 years. Right up there with Jamshed, Maqsood, Masood and Manzoor. It baffles me why such a pathetic player has so many fans. A person whose only job in the team is to bat and he has scored just ONE FIFTY IN THREE YEARS. Heck other teams 8, 9, 10s have more fifties in that period.

 

[Hamza_]

Disgusted over Umar's inclusion.
The only reason I see is, no other player (who impressed recently) can bat at 6.

Haris, Umar Amin's exclusion is due to Hafeez and not Umar Akmal

Do we have a better player who bats at 6?

SArfraz is occupied at #6, Either way Imad or Shadab are good enough #6

 

[aloo paratha]

Disgusted over Umar's inclusion.
The only reason I see is, no other player (who impressed recently) can bat at 6.

Haris, Umar Amin's exclusion is due to Hafeez and not Umar Akmal

Do we have a better player who bats at 6?

Aamer Yamin, add to that he can bowl a few overs.

Hell I'd rather play a 6,7,8 of Imad, Shadab and Fahim over playing Akmal.

You don't need to be smart to know Akmal will fail.

 

[aloo paratha]

SArfraz is occupied at #6, Either way Imad or Shadab are good enough #6

Hafeez opens with Fakhar, Sarfraz to 4, Malik at 5, Imad at 6 (ideally would've been Yamin, and yes Imad can bat, look at his record) Shadab at 7

 

[salman24]

His haters hate for no reason. I see some ridiculous posts no this thread. Look at his overall record.

Guess who is the highest scorer ever for Pak in T20's ? Umar Akmal

 

[msb314]

Umar Akmal is rubbish and has unacceptable levels of fitness for an international cricketer.

Poor decision to recall him for the CT

We were better off giving Haris Sohail another chance.

 

[SARJ_BD]

Ofcourse. An inconsistent player like Umar shall only be kept as a bench option. Umar will be the bench option for #6.
In international cricket, Imad is at best #8. This is International Cricket NOT Pakistan Cup.
Not sure of Shadab coz havent seen him bat at int cricket. His batting was impressive in PSL.
Hope he be the next #^. Right now, he is not ready.

SArfraz is occupied at #6, Either way Imad or Shadab are good enough #6

 

[SARJ_BD]

You can do this in Pakistan Cup not in int cricket.
>Hafeez will be a laughing stock infront of Stark, Hazlewood, Boult, any fast swing bowler. Better hide him at 4 and not expose him as opener. Remember Australia tour?
>Imad is at best #8 in int cricket. I think Jadeja is better than him in batting. Pakistan domestic records are useless in int standard

Hafeez opens with Fakhar, Sarfraz to 4, Malik at 5, Imad at 6 (ideally would've been Yamin, and yes Imad can bat, look at his record) Shadab at 7

 

[Hamza_]

Ofcourse. An inconsistent player like Umar shall only be kept as a bench option. Umar will be the bench option for #6.
In international cricket, Imad is at best #8. This is International Cricket NOT Pakistan Cup.
Not sure of Shadab coz havent seen him bat at int cricket. His batting was impressive in PSL.
Hope he be the next #^. Right now, he is not ready.

There are better players than Akmal who should be selected.

 

[SARJ_BD]

Aamer Yamin shud be tried.
But I am against the theory of playing 3 all rounders together. Winning formula is to have at least 6 specialist batsman (including WC).

I would always keep Aamer Yamin, Shadab Khan and Imad Wasim in the squad.
>Play Imad and Shadab in Asian pitches. Maybe also in UK not sure.
>Yamin and Shadab in Australia, NZ, South Africa

Husain Talat can be a perfect #6 if he maintain his PSL form. He was disappointing in Pak Cup.

Aamer Yamin, add to that he can bowl a few overs.

Hell I'd rather play a 6,7,8 of Imad, Shadab and Fahim over playing Akmal.

You don't need to be smart to know Akmal will fail.

 

[SARJ_BD]

There are better players than Akmal who should be selected.

like? Only Husain Talat comes to my mind. Even he was disappointing in Pak Cup.

 

[Syed1]

like? Only Husain Talat comes to my mind. Even he was disappointing in Pak Cup.

Umar Amin and Haris Sohail both wipe the floor with Umar Akmal and then some.

 

[MMHS]

I think, Umar was always in the plan, probably Azhar as well, hence they were protected from WI Tour. A failure there would have been back to back failure (after AUS) & Inzi won't have been able to justify their inclusion in CT.

When Umar was dropped on fitness, I categorically wrote that he might be dropped for other reason than fitness - at least, in AUS, he didn't look more unfit than his brother or Tanvir in WI, therefore fitness isn't the issue. Also, players do know that they'll be judged on YoYo - it's really fishy that he failed to score 16 in WI trail & then in a month reached 18 level. They picked Asif Zakir & then played MoHa at 4 - then dropped Asif. Azhar is the perfect yes man & extremely popular among PCB ranks, probably Inzi also likes him - besides, may be, he makes sense in the squad for UK tours in June.

I don't think, PAK Cup was ever in consideration for selection - the squad was predetermined. Not surprising that, Inzi was at the ground, after the squad was announced. In fact, I don't think PAK Cup is ever considered for team selection - just before WC, Azhar & Amin had a great tournament, but they didn't go to Australia.

 

[Rafay Shafiq]

I think, Umar was always in the plan, probably Azhar as well, hence they were protected from WI Tour. A failure there would have been back to back failure (after AUS) & Inzi won't have been able to justify their inclusion in CT.

When Umar was dropped on fitness, I categorically wrote that he might be dropped for other reason than fitness - at least, in AUS, he didn't look more unfit than his brother or Tanvir in WI, therefore fitness isn't the issue. Also, players do know that they'll be judged on YoYo - it's really fishy that he failed to score 16 in WI trail & then in a month reached 18 level. They picked Asif Zakir & then played MoHa at 4 - then dropped Asif. Azhar is the perfect yes man & extremely popular among PCB ranks, probably Inzi also likes him - besides, may be, he makes sense in the squad for UK tours in June.

I don't think, PAK Cup was ever in consideration for selection - the squad was predetermined. Not surprising that, Inzi was at the ground, after the squad was announced. In fact, I don't think PAK Cup is ever considered for team selection - just before WC, Azhar & Amin had a great tournament, but they didn't go to Australia.

Spot on. But let's see what pitches we get. If high scoring like our last tour, then no chance for Pakistan

 

[asma_cricfan]

He is number 22 in the list of batsmen's averages and number 20 in most runs (pakistan cup). He not only looks unfit but badly out of form and focus.

Don't forget, he was clean LBW but didn't given out in the second match in which he made 77.

Today's inning clearly shows that he has lost his batting skills as can't stay On wicket against below par bowlers.

There is a huge question as why and how on earth, before a big event either of akmal got selected out of nowhere.

 

[SARJ_BD]

Umar Amin and Haris Sohail both wipe the floor with Umar Akmal and then some.

One is #3, while another is #4. Do not destroy cricketers' career just to fill starting XI.
Everyone shud play at their position. Umar has been #6 for almost 4 years now.

 

[hailian]

Umar Akmal ODI Avg is 32 so does the Glen Mxwell is. Now UA haters should stop crying!

 

[todfod 11]

No decision by the Revolutionary surprises. By far, the worst selector we have ever had.

Aamir sohail tops the list.. he comes second

 

[Hawkeye]

Tbh I'm not even that upset about him being selected

His haters hate for no reason. I see some ridiculous posts no this thread. Look at his overall record.

Guess who is the highest scorer ever for Pak in T20's ? Umar Akmal

I have no idea what's going on, are these Imran Farhat, Faisal Iqbal and Fawad Alam fans?

If so, I'm not surprised at all seeing hate for the ONLY batsman in the team who can actually play and score against fast bowlers in England. )

See, this is the kind of blind hatred that takes precedence over what's good for the team.

 

[Hawkeye]

Umar Akmal ODI Avg is 32 so does the Glen Mxwell is. Now UA haters should stop crying!

Nothing but blind hatred. It's the only guy who will save the team and score against pacers, then these haters will go start crying in a cave.

 

[Pete Rose]

Because in pakistan players are dropped as punishment, as sort of a timeout. Neither the player or the selector are truly honest enough with each other about what needs to change during the time the player is dropped. If they are honest enough about it, they lack the courage of their convictions to fix anything.
This scenario with Akmal is exactly what happened prior to how World Cup selection. He did not perform in the pakistan cup preceding the World Cup and he was selected pointlessly and he failed regularly.
We are set to to repeat the same

 

[Pete Rose]

Umar Akmal ODI Avg is 32 so does the Glen Mxwell is. Now UA haters should stop crying!

Put two random set of numbers together and viola we have a wining case.
Umar Akmal has to a pair of hbs and legs and so does David Warner - so yeah, they are exactly the same

 

[Hawkeye]

Because in pakistan players are dropped as punishment, as sort of a timeout. Neither the player or the selector are truly honest enough with each other about what needs to change during the time the player is dropped. If they are honest enough about it, they lack the courage of their convictions to fix anything.
This scenario with Akmal is exactly what happened prior to how World Cup selection. He did not perform in the pakistan cup preceding the World Cup and he was selected pointlessly and he failed regularly.
We are set to to repeat the same

I think you have to look at the reality and the XI.

Shehzad
Azhar
Malik
Sarf

That's your core batting. Apart from Babar, it's only Umar who can score and score fast against the pacers.

I'm sure you realize this already. Your concern on Umar's consistency is valid, but how come others are escaping the same kind of HATE that our only capable, ability wise, batsman is getting.

 

[Junaids]

Looks like he's also failed to honor his promise of staying controversy free and being mature with the recent Junaid Khan incident? How much longer will we have to deal with this pathetic player who does not even value a spot in the team and doesn't even work hard for it.

At this point, like another poster said recently, I've started to think he knows some bad secret of the PCB and keeps blackmailing them to get into the team. That's the only explanation I can come up with. I mean, he doesn't even try the tiniest bit to get into the team yet makes it ever so effortlessly every now and then.

Junaid Khan has a controversial history of using purported injuries to miss matches.

Just after his wonder-show against Kohli in 2012-13 he cried off sick from the last two Tests in South Africa, claiming that he had walked into a door handle and hurt his skin.

I'm not joking, that was Junaid Khan's explanation for not playing.

As for Umar Akmal, here are my responses:

1. Umar Akmal and Babar Azam are the two most talented batsmen to emerge from Pakistan for 20 years.

2. If Umar Akmal's talent cannot be harnessed, that reflects on the management, not just him.

3. You have nobody else who can play big hits late in the innings.

4. He has shown at QEA level that when given an ultimatum to knuckle down and go back to batting properly, he still could. In 4 innings he hit 1 century and 2 fifties, which neither Mohammad Hafeez nor Shan Masood managed in three times as many innings.

 

[yasir]

In modern day game, you need bowlers who can bowl at 145 clicks and batsmen who can hit those 145 clicks bowlers...

Pakistan is struggling to get both, they are keep recycling not so good players for those spots, Wahab and Umar are such examples....One can argue Rees is better option than Wahab in death, Hassan has developed, Rees could develop too if given chances....

Question is who can be developed for seamer wacking spot in death? - Right now there is no clear winner, Immad and Shadab can be developed, but have spot open (apart from them) for a batsman. We cannot have yet another spin bully(Sarfi, Malik,Hafeez type) for that spot. Who is there to fill that role??

Sarfraz, Malik can only wack spinners, Immad is not so good against quality death bowling, we saw that in WI series, we had hard time hitting 140+ bowlers in last 15 overs...

 

[Hawkeye]

In modern day game, you need bowlers who can bowl at 145 clicks and batsmen who can hit those 145 clicks bowlers...

Pakistan is struggling to get both, they are keep recycling not so good players for those spots, Wahab and Umar are such examples....One can argue Rees is better option than Wahab in death, Hassan has developed, Rees could develop too if given chances....

Question is who can be developed for seamer wacking spot in death? - Right now there is no clear winner, Immad and Shadab can be developed, but have spot open (apart from them) for a batsman. We cannot have yet another spin bully(Sarfi, Malik,Hafeez type) for that spot. Who is there to fill that role??

Sarfraz, Malik can only wack spinners, Immad is not so good against quality death bowling, we saw that in WI series, we had hard time hitting 140+ bowlers in last 15 overs...

Pretty much this.

We just don't have options. And the ones we do, Inzi is NOT including them, like Husain Talat. Anyway, Talat needs to partner Umar so that we can get some momentum going in LOIs.

Sick and tired of spin bullies

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Bcoz our selection committee is just pathetic, who tries TTFs over young performers.

 

[todfod 11]

Umar Akmal ODI Avg is 32 so does the Glen Mxwell is. Now UA haters should stop crying!

How many match winning innings have maxwell played and how many has Umar played... come to real world

 

[Hasan123]

I have no idea what's going on, are these Imran Farhat, Faisal Iqbal and Fawad Alam fans?

If so, I'm not surprised at all seeing hate for the ONLY batsman in the team who can actually play and score against fast bowlers in England. )

See, this is the kind of blind hatred that takes precedence over what's good for the team.

Lol people can hate on who they want. I understand people who are fustrated by his selection.

I understand it and as you mention he has the ability to clear the ropes consistently which others in our batting line up can't do. So I'm not too upset at his inclusion.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Bcoz of One akmal quota system

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Umar Amin and Haris Sohail both wipe the floor with Umar Akmal and then some.

It's not even fair to mention them in the same sentence bro....Amin and Harry are leagues ahead of Chota Akmal. The only thing they UA have in common with the other two is that they all are homo sapiens sapeins....That's about it....

 

[Hawkeye]

Yes, Umar Amin and Haris Sohail are overall far better batsmen.

They're Babar Azam type batsmen, who need to replace Malik and Hafeez in the middle order.

They don't compare with Umar, who is a powerhouse of hitting pace bowlers, and can be great in late order. The type of batsmen we lack.

 

[Abdullah]

I'm nearly at the end of my tether with him after yesterday's episode.
This has to be his lasf tournie until we see some consistent runs in domestic.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

I will always have hope for umar, no expectations any more, but yes hope remains.

However this dropping him for one series than brining him back and then dropping again and so on so forth is making things worse.

I just reinforces the delusions in his head that there is nothing wrong and that its Pakistan that needs him.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Umar Akmal was rightly dropped from Pakistan Odi and T20 team for almost an year due to :

1. Average performances

2. Poor fitness

3. Poor temperament / attitude


Than in National T20 Cup 2016 he was the highest scorer with 363 runs including a century and 3 fifties in 8 innings. His average was 73 and SR was 183.

Only 4 players hit more than 10 sixes in the tournament.

1. FawadKhan (11)

2. Tariq Haroon (11)

3. Shahzaib Hasan (17)

4. Umar Akmal (26)


Pakistan team was struggling due to poor SR and inability of players to hit sixes and Umar was recalled after these performances.


After being out of Int Cricket for almost an year Umar made a comeback and in those 5 matches all against top Odi team Australia who thrashed us like anything Umar averages 33 at a SR of 83. Yes not acceptable but okayish.

Than he got dropped from Pakistan once again and this time 90 % due to fitness and rightly so.


Umar has a poor Pakistan Cup both as a Captain and as a batsman with only one innings of substance but He was dropped from national team on fitness grounds and not form or performance.


People need to understand a Problem here. Which is a huge problem.


Umar Akmal has been selected for CT as an option for number 6 because of his ability to hit big. So he wasn't competing with Umar Amin or Haris Sohail for this batting position.

Umar has good numbers at number 6 Yes statistically but overall He has been a huge failure at number 6 because as a finisher he has failed in 97 % of these matches whether batting first or while chasing. He should not be in Pakistan squad if he doesn't bat at number 4 because he has no temperament and batting maturity needed for a finisher. And currently if we have to have a number 4 batting option on bench it has to be Haris Sohail only given his Odi record and current form provided he passes fitness test.


Please watch matches closely and critically. Yesterday Umar Amin was dropped twice once in 30's and than in 60's on the boundary line. Boundaries which were 55-60 meters long only. But what you all see is 2 centuries on the other hand compare and contrast his innings with Haris's innings closely in the same Pakistan Cup.


To be very fair since we have picked Umar as an option for number 6 to which I don’t agree at all I would have rather picked Aamer Yamin as a bench option. Somebody who can play with brains.


Now Umar's only chance of success in CT is that if hafeez gets rested in one warm up match and Umar pairs with Babar with Babar at 3 and Umar at 4 and he performs. If he does than if Hafeez or Malik fail in 2-3 games against pace than Umar can replace any of them in the playing eleven and should get slotted at number 4.


Otherwise I will prefer Umar to be on bench rather than playing at 6. Shadab or Imad or Faheem at 6 will be better options against pace while if the opposition is spinners heavy that Sarfraz will be ideal to milk the spinners at number 6.

[MENTION=5869]yasir[/MENTION] [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]

 

[Hamza_]

like? Only Husain Talat comes to my mind. Even he was disappointing in Pak Cup.

Aamer Yamin, Also we need a better backup opener so Amin could have been an option rather than selecting a backup #6.

 

[Hamza_]

Umar Akmal was rightly dropped from Pakistan Odi and T20 team for almost an year due to :

1. Average performances

2. Poor fitness

3. Poor temperament / attitude


Than in National T20 Cup 2016 he was the highest scorer with 363 runs including a century and 3 fifties in 8 innings. His average was 73 and SR was 183.

Only 4 players hit more than 10 sixes in the tournament.

1. FawadKhan (11)

2. Tariq Haroon (11)

3. Shahzaib Hasan (17)

4. Umar Akmal (26)


Pakistan team was struggling due to poor SR and inability of players to hit sixes and Umar was recalled after these performances.


After being out of Int Cricket for almost an year Umar made a comeback and in those 5 matches all against top Odi team Australia who thrashed us like anything Umar averages 33 at a SR of 83. Yes not acceptable but okayish.

Than he got dropped from Pakistan once again and this time 90 % due to fitness and rightly so.


Umar has a poor Pakistan Cup both as a Captain and as a batsman with only one innings of substance but He was dropped from national team on fitness grounds and not form or performance.


People need to understand a Problem here. Which is a huge problem.


Umar Akmal has been selected for CT as an option for number 6 because of his ability to hit big. So he wasn't competing with Umar Amin or Haris Sohail for this batting position.

Umar has good numbers at number 6 Yes statistically but overall He has been a huge failure at number 6 because as a finisher he has failed in 97 % of these matches whether batting first or while chasing. He should not be in Pakistan squad if he doesn't bat at number 4 because he has no temperament and batting maturity needed for a finisher. And currently if we have to have a number 4 batting option on bench it has to be Haris Sohail only given his Odi record and current form provided he passes fitness test.


Please watch matches closely and critically. Yesterday Umar Amin was dropped twice once in 30's and than in 60's on the boundary line. Boundaries which were 55-60 meters long only. But what you all see is 2 centuries on the other hand compare and contrast his innings with Haris's innings closely in the same Pakistan Cup.


To be very fair since we have picked Umar as an option for number 6 to which I don’t agree at all I would have rather picked Aamer Yamin as a bench option. Somebody who can play with brains.


Now Umar's only chance of success in CT is that if hafeez gets rested in one warm up match and Umar pairs with Babar with Babar at 3 and Umar at 4 and he performs. If he does than if Hafeez or Malik fail in 2-3 games against pace than Umar can replace any of them in the playing eleven and should get slotted at number 4.


Otherwise I will prefer Umar to be on bench rather than playing at 6. Shadab or Imad or Faheem at 6 will be better options against pace while if the opposition is spinners heavy that Sarfraz will be ideal to milk the spinners at number 6.

[MENTION=5869]yasir[/MENTION] [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]

Umar Akmal is good for nothing.

He can't bat at #6, Can't construct an innings so can't bat at #4, Now his supporters have proclaimed him as opener.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Umar Akmal is good for nothing.

He can't bat at #6, Can't construct an innings so can't bat at #4, Now his supporters have proclaimed him as opener.

Hamza Khalid Brother. If you look at his numbers at number 6 in a similar sample set than only Dhoni, Hussey and Faulkner will edge him in numbers while he will be at par or ahead of Raina and Matthews but

Cricket isn't played on spread sheets. You play Cricket to Win games for your country when you wear the Star and Crescent. So, if you analyse his output as a match winner or as a finisher He has failed 97 % of times and as a number 6 wrt results he is inferior to Maxwell, Faulkner, Hussey, Mathews, Raina & Dhoni.


He cannot play as an Opener because for 4 years mostly He has batted at 6 against spinners while aiming to hit big and in the process of doing a sloggers hitter role his posture, bat flow, technique has regressed hence he isn't compact enough and slight movement here and there and he will be caught at slips or will get LBW. Especially in English conditions and against top 4 bowling sides (pace)

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Aamer Yamin, Also we need a better backup opener so Amin could have been an option rather than selecting a backup #6.

Umar Amin is not an Opener.


He has ocassionally opened for Pakistan A. He has also opened in List A and FC in Pakistan and He has always failed.

Don't try to make another player Zabardasti ka Opener the way Bilal Asif was made Zabardasti ka number 3 for Pakistan.


Let Amin & Haris compete for number 4-5 Test and Odi squads of future. Haris is way way ahead in terms of numbers aswell as consistency. Amin is a beauty to watch though but Amin's List A SR is still 74 odd after 10 years. In PC he was fed with rubbish bowlers and attrocious fielding meant he scored big at a decent SR. Not to forget 55-60 meters long boundaries.

 

[Bilal7]

This is because if he comes good, it will mean that we're a force to be reckoned with in the CT. Babar, Haris and Akmal are three of the best ODI batsmen in Pakistan, in terms of potential at least.

Are we going to see the same sort of whining for every player picked in the squad? Also, pretty hilarious that people are naming Umar Amin as his alternative.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Umar Akmal was rightly dropped from Pakistan Odi and T20 team for almost an year due to :

1. Average performances

2. Poor fitness

3. Poor temperament / attitude


Than in National T20 Cup 2016 he was the highest scorer with 363 runs including a century and 3 fifties in 8 innings. His average was 73 and SR was 183.

Only 4 players hit more than 10 sixes in the tournament.

1. FawadKhan (11)

2. Tariq Haroon (11)

3. Shahzaib Hasan (17)

4. Umar Akmal (26)


Pakistan team was struggling due to poor SR and inability of players to hit sixes and Umar was recalled after these performances.


After being out of Int Cricket for almost an year Umar made a comeback and in those 5 matches all against top Odi team Australia who thrashed us like anything Umar averages 33 at a SR of 83. Yes not acceptable but okayish.

Than he got dropped from Pakistan once again and this time 90 % due to fitness and rightly so.


Umar has a poor Pakistan Cup both as a Captain and as a batsman with only one innings of substance but He was dropped from national team on fitness grounds and not form or performance.


People need to understand a Problem here. Which is a huge problem.


Umar Akmal has been selected for CT as an option for number 6 because of his ability to hit big. So he wasn't competing with Umar Amin or Haris Sohail for this batting position.

Umar has good numbers at number 6 Yes statistically but overall He has been a huge failure at number 6 because as a finisher he has failed in 97 % of these matches whether batting first or while chasing. He should not be in Pakistan squad if he doesn't bat at number 4 because he has no temperament and batting maturity needed for a finisher. And currently if we have to have a number 4 batting option on bench it has to be Haris Sohail only given his Odi record and current form provided he passes fitness test.


Please watch matches closely and critically. Yesterday Umar Amin was dropped twice once in 30's and than in 60's on the boundary line. Boundaries which were 55-60 meters long only. But what you all see is 2 centuries on the other hand compare and contrast his innings with Haris's innings closely in the same Pakistan Cup.


To be very fair since we have picked Umar as an option for number 6 to which I don’t agree at all I would have rather picked Aamer Yamin as a bench option. Somebody who can play with brains.


Now Umar's only chance of success in CT is that if hafeez gets rested in one warm up match and Umar pairs with Babar with Babar at 3 and Umar at 4 and he performs. If he does than if Hafeez or Malik fail in 2-3 games against pace than Umar can replace any of them in the playing eleven and should get slotted at number 4.


Otherwise I will prefer Umar to be on bench rather than playing at 6. Shadab or Imad or Faheem at 6 will be better options against pace while if the opposition is spinners heavy that Sarfraz will be ideal to milk the spinners at number 6.

[MENTION=5869]yasir[/MENTION] [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]

Hamza Khalid Brother. If you look at his numbers at number 6 in a similar sample set than only Dhoni, Hussey and Faulkner will edge him in numbers while he will be at par or ahead of Raina and Matthews but

Cricket isn't played on spread sheets. You play Cricket to Win games for your country when you wear the Star and Crescent. So, if you analyse his output as a match winner or as a finisher He has failed 97 % of times and as a number 6 wrt results he is inferior to Maxwell, Faulkner, Hussey, Mathews, Raina & Dhoni.


He cannot play as an Opener because for 4 years mostly He has batted at 6 against spinners while aiming to hit big and in the process of doing a sloggers hitter role his posture, bat flow, technique has regressed hence he isn't compact enough and slight movement here and there and he will be caught at slips or will get LBW. Especially in English conditions and against top 4 bowling sides (pace)

[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] Bhaee give your insight kindly.

 

[Bilal7]

I will always have hope for umar, no expectations any more, but yes hope remains.

However this dropping him for one series than brining him back and then dropping again and so on so forth is making things worse.

I just reinforces the delusions in his head that there is nothing wrong and that its Pakistan that needs him.

Dropping him for a series whilst explaining that he would have played had he been fit will have made him work hard on himself and I can see him coming good in at least a couple of matches in the CT. No one should be played if they are not fully fit (not even Haris) but once that fitness is regained, they shouldn't be kept out just because.

 

[Hamza_]

Umar Amin is not an Opener.


He has ocassionally opened for Pakistan A. He has also opened in List A and FC in Pakistan and He has always failed.

Don't try to make another player Zabardasti ka Opener the way Bilal Asif was made Zabardasti ka number 3 for Pakistan.


Let Amin & Haris compete for number 4-5 Test and Odi squads of future. Haris is way way ahead in terms of numbers aswell as consistency. Amin is a beauty to watch though but Amin's List A SR is still 74 odd after 10 years. In PC he was fed with rubbish bowlers and attrocious fielding meant he scored big at a decent SR. Not to forget 55-60 meters long boundaries.

I don't like Umar Akmal at all, He can't win any games for us and is a mere passenger.

Failure and joke of a player who has lame excuses for his non performance as well as lack of fitness.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

I don't like Umar Akmal at all, He can't win any games for us and is a mere passenger.

Failure and joke of a player who has lame excuses for his non performance as well as lack of fitness.

I can't comment on your likeness or dislike aspect. I have given my opinion. You can agree, disagree or partially agree or disagree. I have nothing more to say.

 

[shaz619]

I can't comment on your likeness or dislike aspect. I have given my opinion. You can agree, disagree or partially agree or disagree. I have nothing more to say.

Some media in Pakistan are reporting that UA may be dropped from the CT squad due to his altercation with Junaid Khan, it could be masala but am not sure of the source's authenticity but it seems like it's a possibility in theory

 

[Syed1]

Umar Akmal was rightly dropped from Pakistan Odi and T20 team for almost an year due to :

1. Average performances

2. Poor fitness

3. Poor temperament / attitude


Than in National T20 Cup 2016 he was the highest scorer with 363 runs including a century and 3 fifties in 8 innings. His average was 73 and SR was 183.

Only 4 players hit more than 10 sixes in the tournament.

1. FawadKhan (11)

2. Tariq Haroon (11)

3. Shahzaib Hasan (17)

4. Umar Akmal (26)


Pakistan team was struggling due to poor SR and inability of players to hit sixes and Umar was recalled after these performances.


After being out of Int Cricket for almost an year Umar made a comeback and in those 5 matches all against top Odi team Australia who thrashed us like anything Umar averages 33 at a SR of 83. Yes not acceptable but okayish.

Than he got dropped from Pakistan once again and this time 90 % due to fitness and rightly so.


Umar has a poor Pakistan Cup both as a Captain and as a batsman with only one innings of substance but He was dropped from national team on fitness grounds and not form or performance.


People need to understand a Problem here. Which is a huge problem.


Umar Akmal has been selected for CT as an option for number 6 because of his ability to hit big. So he wasn't competing with Umar Amin or Haris Sohail for this batting position.

Umar has good numbers at number 6 Yes statistically but overall He has been a huge failure at number 6 because as a finisher he has failed in 97 % of these matches whether batting first or while chasing. He should not be in Pakistan squad if he doesn't bat at number 4 because he has no temperament and batting maturity needed for a finisher. And currently if we have to have a number 4 batting option on bench it has to be Haris Sohail only given his Odi record and current form provided he passes fitness test.


Please watch matches closely and critically. Yesterday Umar Amin was dropped twice once in 30's and than in 60's on the boundary line. Boundaries which were 55-60 meters long only. But what you all see is 2 centuries on the other hand compare and contrast his innings with Haris's innings closely in the same Pakistan Cup.


To be very fair since we have picked Umar as an option for number 6 to which I don’t agree at all I would have rather picked Aamer Yamin as a bench option. Somebody who can play with brains.


Now Umar's only chance of success in CT is that if hafeez gets rested in one warm up match and Umar pairs with Babar with Babar at 3 and Umar at 4 and he performs. If he does than if Hafeez or Malik fail in 2-3 games against pace than Umar can replace any of them in the playing eleven and should get slotted at number 4.


Otherwise I will prefer Umar to be on bench rather than playing at 6. Shadab or Imad or Faheem at 6 will be better options against pace while if the opposition is spinners heavy that Sarfraz will be ideal to milk the spinners at number 6.

[MENTION=5869]yasir[/MENTION] [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]

Excellent analysis. Umar Akmal's six hitting ability was never in question. He is one of the few batsmen in and around the squad who can hit sixes of spinners and pacers. However, what we all are arguing is that one random six isn't going to win Pakistan matches. Umar Akmal has time and again come in to bat in situations which required calmness and composure with plenty of time to play a long innings. In all of those times he hit a few lusty bowls and then got held on at the boundary. If a person does not know how to construct an innings after 8 years in international cricket, then he will never know.

I would much rather place my bets on someone like Imad, Shadab, Yamin or Fahim rather than Umar Akmal.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Some media in Pakistan are reporting that UA may be dropped from the CT squad due to his altercation with Junaid Khan, it could be masala but am not sure of the source's authenticity but it seems like it's a possibility in theory

Well. If Umar Akmal has lied and it is proved than definitely if he is dropped I won't have any issues at all.


I watched the pre match media talk live and Umar said that He did not know and neither the team management knows. So if He was honest than it means :

1. JK did not inform his Captain

2. JK informed the Manager or Coach or both but they both did not inform Umar the Captain.


While if He lied than He should be dropped from CT aswell as fined heavily.


Now there won't be any video or audio evidence for all this so inquiry will rely totally on the statements of Manager or Coach or both.

 

[Hamza_]

Well. If Umar Akmal has lied and it is proved than definitely if he is dropped I won't have any issues at all.


I watched the pre match media talk live and Umar said that He did not know and neither the team management knows. So if He was honest than it means :

1. JK did not inform his Captain

2. JK informed the Manager or Coach or both but they both did not inform Umar the Captain.


While if He lied than He should be dropped from CT aswell as fined heavily.


Now there won't be any video or audio evidence for all this so inquiry will rely totally on the statements of Manager or Coach or both.

OBe of them will be dropped.

 

[SaadAliG]

The problem with people hating him has a lot to do with his personality. He attracts a lot of haters but has performed better than others that have been loved by the fans. See his overall record for limited over, it's good for a number 6 batsman.
Part of the problem is that he's a guy from a big city and lives the way he wants to. PP guys hate him because of this fact and want their own "gaon kay larke" (jo tube well mai nahate hain aur seedhe saadhe hotay hain) to play instead of him. He's a great batsman going through a rough patch for an year.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

OBe of them will be dropped.

If either of them is guilty I won't have any issue with them getting dropped. If UA is dropped than bring Yamin or Hussain for as number 6 batting option or bring in haris as number 4 backup option.

If JK is dropped than bring in Sohail Khan. If not that Ahmed Bashir or Atif Jabbar (if he is fit again)

 

[ask_analyse_act]

In modern day game, you need bowlers who can bowl at 145 clicks and batsmen who can hit those 145 clicks bowlers...

Pakistan is struggling to get both, they are keep recycling not so good players for those spots,

Wahab and Umar are such examples

....One can argue Rees is better option than Wahab in death, Hassan has developed, Rees could develop too if given chances....

Question is who can be developed for seamer wacking spot in death? - Right now there is no clear winner, Immad and Shadab can be developed, but have spot open (apart from them) for a batsman. We cannot have yet another spin bully(Sarfi, Malik,Hafeez type) for that spot. Who is there to fill that role??

Sarfraz, Malik can only wack spinners, Immad is not so good against quality death bowling, we saw that in WI series, we had hard time hitting 140+ bowlers in last 15 overs...

bowler at 145 clicks and batsmen who can hit those 145 clicks bowlers. the team keeps playing/selecting them despite losing matches and those 2 contribute to the lose heavily...

So basically just pretend to be as if it demands, they play a 9 men team against 11 a side and lose it comprehensively..

When will pak play 11 a side against the opponents..

 

[MMHS]

Some media in Pakistan are reporting that UA may be dropped from the CT squad due to his altercation with Junaid Khan, it could be masala but am not sure of the source's authenticity but it seems like it's a possibility in theory

Would be funnniest move ever - dropping a player from ICC event for misquoting (or whatever, I didn't listen) a team mate, in a domestic match as captain. In that case, not sure what excuse PCB will give, but "altercation with a team mate in a domestic match" will be PCB standard reasoning.

I don't think it's a big issue - JK probably informed team manager/coach, who might have forgotten to bring in Captain's knowledge before toss or it might happen that they informed, but Umar was enjoying Muzra in his iPod that time

One thing for sure - Umar & JK are not friends. Either way, it shouldn't have ended this way, for which both deserved a hefty fine, at least Umar, but this is silly between 2 internationals, just before another major ICC event.

 

[Hawkeye]

This is because if he comes good, it will mean that we're a force to be reckoned with in the CT. Babar, Haris and Akmal are three of the best ODI batsmen in Pakistan, in terms of potential at least.

Are we going to see the same sort of whining for every player picked in the squad? Also, pretty hilarious that people are naming Umar Amin as his alternative.

Prettty much this. And disagree on Amin.

Also, good post [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] !! I think this thread shows why most of the general cricket fans cannot be fit enough to choose and pick players for a national team. No cricketing sense, no knowledge of strength/weaknesses of the squad and the conditions.

Just look at this woeful post by [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] , as always:

He is arguably the worst batsman we have produced in the last 5-7 years

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Pretty much this.

We just don't have options. And the ones we do, Inzi is NOT including them, like Husain Talat. Anyway, Talat needs to partner Umar so that we can get some momentum going in LOIs.

Sick and tired of spin bullies

Your excuse now is other than UA pak dont have batsman who can hit those 145 clicks bowlers...

Your talking about the UA of the past not present.... Now he hardly hits any 145 clicks bowlers... In the past he hit M.Johnson outta the park, but players cannot be selected on their past glory... In domestic pak cup there is no tear away fast bowler, all medium pacers compared to the int'l yet UA struggle to put runs on the board...

 

[Syed1]

Prettty much this. And disagree on Amin.

Also, good post [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] !! I think this thread shows why most of the general cricket fans cannot be fit enough to choose and pick players for a national team. No cricketing sense, no knowledge of strength/weaknesses of the squad and the conditions.

Just look at this woeful post by [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] , as always:

Umar Akmal's record in the last three years in ODIs.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Prettty much this. And disagree on Amin.

Also, good post [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] !! I think this thread shows why most of the general cricket fans cannot be fit enough to choose and pick players for a national team. No cricketing sense, no knowledge of strength/weaknesses of the squad and the conditions.

Just look at this woeful post by [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] , as always:

what do u make of his performance in the pak cup as a captain and as a player.. he came back to the national side with his performances in the domestic, now he has failed, so how can his selection be justified..

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

The main question is: did Mickey want U.Akmal? Does he think he can turn him into a reasonable nr 6?

Because he was pretty decent in the series against Australia in Australia. Mickey knows that he can do well on these flat wickets in England as well especially now we start with ultra tuk tuk Azhar Ali & Ahmed Shehzad.

On the other side we fans ask the selectors: how did Umar get fit in one month? Yet again inconsistencies shown by our great Inzi.

The only logical explanation could be Mickey's request.

 

[MenInG]

Well, given what has happened with him and JK, I wouldnt be surprised if he is dropped on disciplinary grounds etc - never know.

 

[Bilal7]

Umar Akmal's record in the last three years in ODIs.

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Except that you said "he is the worst batsman we produced over the last 5-7 years" and not "he has been performing below standards due to a constant shifting of his place in the batting order and his own personal shortcomings". World of difference between these two statements.

Umar Akmal is a quality batsman, only 27 years old, and the PCB should try its best to get him to fulfill his potential. If he does, we will have a very good batsman in our team. Inzamam is doing just that and for that, I tip my hat to the greatest Pakistani selector of all time.

 

[Syed1]

Except that you said "he is the worst batsman we produced over the last 5-7 years" and not "he has been performing below standards due to a constant shifting of his place in the batting order and his own personal shortcomings". World of difference between these two statements.

Umar Akmal is a quality batsman, only 27 years old, and the PCB should try its best to get him to fulfill his potential. If he does, we will have a very good batsman in our team. Inzamam is doing just that and for that, I tip my hat to the greatest Pakistani selector of all time.

You are going by semantics of he said she said.

Bhai please justify a cricketer whose only job in the team is to bat and he produces a result of 21 average with SR 79 with highest score of 59 and just 1 fifty in the last three years. Please try and justify it, I'll be waiting.

Umar Akmal is an atrocious cricketer and Inzi is in the same category as selector because he picked Akmal.

 

[Bilal7]

You are going by semantics of he said she said.

Bhai please justify a cricketer whose only job in the team is to bat and he produces a result of 21 average with SR 79 with highest score of 59 and just 1 fifty in the last three years. Please try and justify it, I'll be waiting.

Umar Akmal is an atrocious cricketer and Inzi is in the same category as selector because he picked Akmal.

No, I directly quoted your statement from this thread and then your defense of said statement. No one is denying that Akmal has been poor over the last couple of years. However, he's only 27 and to write him off at this stage would be extremely premature given that he has shown us that he is a quality player. If we start throwing away 20-something players after a poor couple of years, we'll never have any experienced, quality players in our teams.