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Why people of Afghanistan don't get along well with the people in Pakistan despite Pakistan's 40 plus years of hospitality to them?

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Pakistan has always supported Afghanistan and their people in hard times. After the Afghan war Pakistan gave refuge to almost 3 million Afghans. Pakistan, over the years, also had given million of dollars financial aids to Afghanistan. Even the whole Afghanistan cricket team has utilized the stadiums and facilities in Pakistan to hone their cricketing skills. But still, why do we notice objectionable and inappropriate demeanor of Afghans towards the people of Pakistan. Despite our numerous sacrifices and favours on them.
 
Perhaps the rivalry with Punjabi speaking people? Ideally they should be the closest allies as they share Pashtun people and also religion. I guess in this case language and ethnicity trumps over religion.
 
Perhaps the rivalry with Punjabi speaking people? Ideally they should be the closest allies as they share Pashtun people and also religion. I guess in this case language and ethnicity trumps over religion.
Yep totally incomprehensible. If you look they even don't along wells with Pakistani pashtuns like Naseem Shah, Khushdil Shah, Shaheen Afridi etc. I don't know what's wrong with them.
 
It's like saying why do Iraqi's hate America after the US has given so much aid to Iraq.

Pakistan supported and still supports the Taliban there, bringing more instability to the country while at the same time helping the US war effort there. Pakistan, in effect, really brought anarchy to the country.

Yes, they hosted 2-3 million refugees (and now trying to kick them out) but that's like giving a bandage to a person who you just shot in the leg and then asking the shooter to be grateful.

Afghans have every reason to dislike Pakistan imo.
 
It's like saying why do Iraqi's hate America after the US has given so much aid to Iraq.

Pakistan supported and still supports the Taliban there, bringing more instability to the country while at the same time helping the US war effort there. Pakistan, in effect, really brought anarchy to the country.

Yes, they hosted 2-3 million refugees (and now trying to kick them out) but that's like giving a bandage to a person who you just shot in the leg and then asking the shooter to be grateful.

Afghans have every reason to dislike Pakistan imo.
Yep Pakistan mishandling of the Taliban and the bad habit of playing cross games just caused Afghanistan great damage. But they (Afghans) don't realize that Pakistan was threatened by Bush Administration that it would be send back to "stone age" if Pakistan did not supported US war on terror. So Pakistan government's cowardness caused Afghanis but still they had no intentions for that.
 
It's an utter shame that Afghanis love Indians despite the fact that Indians supported the bloody invasion of Soviets back in 1979. They also supported Americans in its absolute wrecking of Afghanistan in the war on terror post 2001.

Indians even portrayed their beloved Afghan leaders like Ahmed Shah Abdali and Muhammad Ghori as devils and savage. But still Afghans love them and dislike Pakistan. What an irony!!
 
It's an utter shame that Afghanis love Indians despite the fact that Indians supported the bloody invasion of Soviets back in 1979. They also supported Americans in its absolute wrecking of Afghanistan in the war on terror post 2001.

Indians even portrayed their beloved Afghan leaders like Ahmed Shah Abdali and Muhammad Ghori as devils and savage. But still Afghans love them and dislike Pakistan. What an irony!!
Pakistan took money from US to assist them in bombing Taliban while also supporting Taliban on the other side.
 
I don't think a country like Pakistan should accommodate the refugees anymore. They do not have the resources and also 1 reason is that Afghanistan was the only country to vote against Pakistan's admission into the United Nations. What good can Pakistan expect from them?
 
I am also surprised that many Afghans have a problem with Pakistan.

How did this hostility start? I was not aware of this hostility before Afghans started to play serious cricket.
 
Well Afghanistan has always been a basket case - long before the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and the rise of the Taliban
 
Perhaps the rivalry with Punjabi speaking people? Ideally they should be the closest allies as they share Pashtun people and also religion. I guess in this case language and ethnicity trumps over religion.
Pakistan took money from US to assist them in bombing Taliban while also supporting Taliban on the other side.

Also the Rss government under the U.S puppet Ashraf Gahni were causing mischief In Pakistan. Once he ran off, this plan of the RSS hindutwa all came crashing down.
 
It's an utter shame that Afghanis love Indians despite the fact that Indians supported the bloody invasion of Soviets back in 1979. They also supported Americans in its absolute wrecking of Afghanistan in the war on terror post 2001.

Indians even portrayed their beloved Afghan leaders like Ahmed Shah Abdali and Muhammad Ghori as devils and savage. But still Afghans love them and dislike Pakistan. What an irony!!

Tells you the reality of the Ummah right there.
 
Yep Pakistan mishandling of the Taliban and the bad habit of playing cross games just caused Afghanistan great damage. But they (Afghans) don't realize that Pakistan was threatened by Bush Administration that it would be send back to "stone age" if Pakistan did not supported US war on terror. So Pakistan government's cowardness caused Afghanis but still they had no intentions for that.
So, Pakistan shouldn't be blamed because....?

1. Pakistan just mishandled the situation
2. Was threated by Bush administration.
3. Even though Pakistan did cause great damage to Afghanistan but Pakistan had no intentions for that.

Based on above, How dare afghanis dislike pakistani! It's TOTALLY Unfair and Injustice to the nation of Pakistan!
 
So, Pakistan shouldn't be blamed because....?

1. Pakistan just mishandled the situation
2. Was threated by Bush administration.
3. Even though Pakistan did cause great damage to Afghanistan but Pakistan had no intentions for that.

Based on above, How dare afghanis dislike pakistani! It's TOTALLY Unfair and Injustice to the nation of Pakistan!
Well every people have a choice to like and dislike whomever they want. But if India's blatant backing of Soviet's mass killing of Afghanistan can be ignored then why can't Afghans just turn the leaf and move ahead well with Pakistani brethren...
 
I am also surprised that many Afghans have a problem with Pakistan.

How did this hostility start? I was not aware of this hostility before Afghans started to play serious cricket.
Besides Pakistan own follies,the Indian propaganda is chiefly responsible for injecting venom into Afghans against Pakistanis.
 
Besides Pakistan own follies,the Indian propaganda is chiefly responsible for injecting venom against Pakistanis.
True. All this hate towards Pakistan by Afghanistan has been sparked by the Indian government's agenda as well. One of the biggest reasons.
 
we bought instability in there country
Yep but likewise it has also been a source of instability for us since our independence.

Pashtunistan stunt, Durand line controversy and opposition of Pak induction into UN are just some of their gifts to us back in 1947 on Pakistan's Independence
 
I used to think Afghanistan hates Pakistan a lot and loves India. I used to share sort of an anti-Afghanistan sentiment when i was younger. But over the years, I have met a lot of Afghan refugees in Pak working honestly and tirelessly to earn their living. They don't have anything negative to say about Pakistan but do acknowledge Afg government has become pro India in recent years (talking about 2020). A lot of guys are very comfortable in Pakistan, a lot of them get called namak haram and other sort of derogatory words when a lot of them don't talk ill of Pakistan.
There's a lot of families in KPK who have their extended families in Afghanistan and say there isn't any hostility towards Pakistan from loads of Afghan people.

A lot of Pakistanis consider Afghans inferior to them for some reason (totally unfair) even when they themselves aren't really role models.

I think there has also been a narrative driven into both countries that has over the years has led to spreading hatred between the people of the two nations. I remember a lot of anti Afghan refugee stuff written in our Pakistan Studies book back in college from over 15 years back.
 
I used to think Afghanistan hates Pakistan a lot and loves India. I used to share sort of an anti-Afghanistan sentiment when i was younger. But over the years, I have met a lot of Afghan refugees in Pak working honestly and tirelessly to earn their living. They don't have anything negative to say about Pakistan but do acknowledge Afg government has become pro India in recent years (talking about 2020). A lot of guys are very comfortable in Pakistan, a lot of them get called namak haram and other sort of derogatory words when a lot of them don't talk ill of Pakistan.
There's a lot of families in KPK who have their extended families in Afghanistan and say there isn't any hostility towards Pakistan from loads of Afghan people.

A lot of Pakistanis consider Afghans inferior to them for some reason (totally unfair) even when they themselves aren't really role models.

I think there has also been a narrative driven into both countries that has over the years has led to spreading hatred between the people of the two nations. I remember a lot of anti Afghan refugee stuff written in our Pakistan Studies book back in college from over 15 years back.
I really liked your points bro. Don't know about Afghans in Afghanistan but have found Afghans in Pakistan to be really hard waking and cordial. Also haven't seen even a iota of arrogance and anti Pak feelings among them
May be it's the hate peddling media on both sides that is drawing wedges among us.
 
I really liked your points bro. Don't know about Afghans in Afghanistan but have found Afghans in Pakistan to be really hard waking and cordial. Also haven't seen even a iota of arrogance and anti Pak feelings among them
May be it's the hate peddling media on both sides that is drawing wedges among us.
it's very easy to manipulate people into hating each other. Things have been going on for decades and people in power have used their best to raise the new generation into thinking they hate each other.
 
Afghanistan is a very conservative religious country, just look at who leads the nation today and it becomes self evident. Then look at who leads Pakistan, and who is next in line.
 
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afghan got run over by russia, the USA and Pakistan exploited the situation to install a supposed puppet regime of religious hardliners, fast forward 40 years and its a convenient and lazy exercise to blame all of the country's problems on Pakistan. there is also an undercurrent of casual mistrust of Pakistani pathans, and a genuine racial hatred of punjabis.

Pakistan is not blameless, however its just too easy for afghans to not accept that their country is a mess cos a significant proportion of the people supported those who destroyed it.
 
afghan got run over by russia, the USA and Pakistan exploited the situation to install a supposed puppet regime of religious hardliners, fast forward 40 years and its a convenient and lazy exercise to blame all of the country's problems on Pakistan. there is also an undercurrent of casual mistrust of Pakistani pathans, and a genuine racial hatred of punjabis.

Pakistan is not blameless, however its just too easy for afghans to not accept that their country is a mess cos a significant proportion of the people supported those who destroyed it.
It's not been Pakistan only, historically Afghanistan has been exploited by other countries too. Like UK and Russian Tsar govts took advantage of them during 'The Great Game of 19th and 20th century'.

But the difference with Pakistan is that unlike other countries it considers instability in Afghanistan tantamount to instability in Pakistan and thus is more considerate towards their plight than other neighboring countries.
 
It's not been Pakistan only, historically Afghanistan has been exploited by other countries too. Like UK and Russian Tsar govts took advantage of them during 'The Great Game of 19th and 20th century'.

But the difference with Pakistan is that unlike other countries it considers instability in Afghanistan tantamount to instability in Pakistan and thus is more considerate towards their plight than other neighboring countries.
well not many people from pre russian invasion times are alive today.

id pbly have to disagree with you on the intricacies of the second point, yes pak views instability in afg as a negative, but it seems an anti-pakistan stability as being worse, therefore it will never allow an anti-pakistan regime to survive, hence as i said, some of the mistrust and hate is justified, however ive found afghans to generally blame everything on pakistanis, which is the equivalent of pakistanis blaming all their problems on the west.
 
well not many people from pre russian invasion times are alive today.

id pbly have to disagree with you on the intricacies of the second point, yes pak views instability in afg as a negative, but it seems an anti-pakistan stability as being worse, therefore it will never allow an anti-pakistan regime to survive, hence as i said, some of the mistrust and hate is justified, however ive found afghans to generally blame everything on pakistanis, which is the equivalent of pakistanis blaming all their problems on the west.
Yep, Pak doesn't want anti pak stability in Afghanistan as it allows anti pak elements to use Afghanistan as a base to launch terrorist activities inside Pakistan. As RAW did under Ashraf Ghani govt so Afghans may dislike Pak for that but in the end every state pursues it's own national interest first.
 
Well every people have a choice to like and dislike whomever they want. But if India's blatant backing of Soviet's mass killing of Afghanistan can be ignored then why can't Afghans just turn the leaf and move ahead well with Pakistani brethren...
Msss killings were also conducted by the Mujahideen which were openly backed by PAK.

But Afghans should be grateful to PAK instead of India right ?
 
It's an utter shame that Afghanis love Indians despite the fact that Indians supported the bloody invasion of Soviets back in 1979. They also supported Americans in its absolute wrecking of Afghanistan in the war on terror post 2001.

Indians even portrayed their beloved Afghan leaders like Ahmed Shah Abdali and Muhammad Ghori as devils and savage. But still Afghans love them and dislike Pakistan. What an irony!!

You missed the part where Bharat helped build roads, dams, schools, parliament in Afghanistan.

Love and Hate doesn’t happen just like that. There are reasons for it.

Firstly Bharat is a great descent of Mahabharat, the most beloved putra of soil. For that reason it has a special
Place in the hearts of not just Afghans but also Pakistanis who feel a man emotional connection to the motherland from whom they were torn apart by propaganda politics.

Yes, Bangladeshis are odd people and they do not know love or emotions. This is why we do not have a relationship with them.
 
What is the reason here in case of Pakistan?

For that you must have a deep conversation with an Afghan.

Brother Asad T has already provided one of the answers.

If i help kill my neighbour and then let his wife and daughter live at my house, have i done his family a great favour?
 
The Durand Line is the main reason why Afghans hate Pakistanis. Across generational, religious and ethnic lines, every Afghan believes that the Durand Line is an illegal construction by the British and that Khyber Pakhtunwa and FATA are Afghan territory occupied by Pakistan. Whatever followed with the Soviet invasion, Pakistan's role in the mujaheddin and what it did to Afghanistan only added fuel to a fire that had been burning long since.
 
The Durand Line is the main reason why Afghans hate Pakistanis. Across generational, religious and ethnic lines, every Afghan believes that the Durand Line is an illegal construction by the British and that Khyber Pakhtunwa and FATA are Afghan territory occupied by Pakistan. Whatever followed with the Soviet invasion, Pakistan's role in the mujaheddin and what it did to Afghanistan only added fuel to a fire that had been burning long since.

But descendants of Maharaja Ranjit Singh also lay claim to Kabul which was once under the Sikh sultanat.
 
It's like saying why do Iraqi's hate America after the US has given so much aid to Iraq.

Pakistan supported and still supports the Taliban there, bringing more instability to the country while at the same time helping the US war effort there. Pakistan, in effect, really brought anarchy to the country.

Yes, they hosted 2-3 million refugees (and now trying to kick them out) but that's like giving a bandage to a person who you just shot in the leg and then asking the shooter to be grateful.

Afghans have every reason to dislike Pakistan imo.

Afghanistan has not done any favours by actively supporting India with their anti Pakistan activities from Afghan soil. Pakistan as a result had no choice but to back and support a regime of their favor and choosing in Afghanistan as a result
 
Afghanistan has not done any favours by actively supporting India with their anti Pakistan activities from Afghan soil. Pakistan as a result had no choice but to back and support a regime of their favor and choosing in Afghanistan as a result
I don't have evidence but I believe these fears are often over exaggerated by folks in the security establishment and foreign service to justify the stupid games that they play. And lead to unwise decisions by those in power.

We in India believed that Bangladesh was hosting anti-India elements supported by ISI and China and to counteract that supported Sheikh Hasina's vile government whose downfall could now vitiate India-Bangladesh ties for a few years.

You guys overestimated India's influence in Afghanistan and have supported a vile regime as well as it's removal. Earning a lot of hate for interference.

To be honest Afghanistan is a very conservative Muslim society and will tolerate very little influence from a country like India. It's not like those guys there will take orders from a kafir nation like India unless we're able to provide US level funds and incentives which we're not capable of.

Similarly Bangladesh whatever influence it may accept from China has to be always conscious that it's surrounded on 3 sides by India.
 
I don't have evidence but I believe these fears are often over exaggerated by folks in the security establishment and foreign service to justify the stupid games that they play. And lead to unwise decisions by those in power.

We in India believed that Bangladesh was hosting anti-India elements supported by ISI and China and to counteract that supported Sheikh Hasina's vile government whose downfall could now vitiate India-Bangladesh ties for a few years.

You guys overestimated India's influence in Afghanistan and have supported a vile regime as well as it's removal. Earning a lot of hate for interference.

To be honest Afghanistan is a very conservative Muslim society and will tolerate very little influence from a country like India. It's not like those guys there will take orders from a kafir nation like India unless we're able to provide US level funds and incentives which we're not capable of.

Similarly Bangladesh whatever influence it may accept from China has to be always conscious that it's surrounded on 3 sides by India.

India at one point operated around 30 plus Indian consulates inside Afghanistan especially in cities close to Pakistan. There was a rapid spike in Indian Sabotage Espionage activities in Pakistan especially in Balochistan and Kpk region.

America and Afghanistan refused to address Pakistan's reservations and concerns leaving Pakistan with no choice but to secure Afghanistan with a govt of their choosing.
 
Watched the video of an Indian vlogger in Afghanistan recently where two Afghans were being very friendly to him and said both nations are brotherly. One of the Afghans jokingly said that he had initially approached the blogger thinking he’s a Pakistani and was about to smack him in the face because he hates Pakistanis for everything they have done to hurt their nation but when he realized the blogger was an Indian he was all smiles and brotherly and said Sanatanis and Mohammadans are true brothers.

Although i loved the fact that Afghans show so much Ishq and Mohobbat for Sanatanis but a little part of me felt bad to see so much hate for Pakistanis. Is it justified?
 
Language might not be that good but he is stating facts.


I strongly condemn this kind of language and attitude of a Minister in the Pakistani government for fellow Muslim mumaliq. This is not fitting for a member nation of the Muslim community. If Pakistan is serious about being lieutenant to Al Hindiyyah in the future they must learn to behave.
 
It's like saying why do Iraqi's hate America after the US has given so much aid to Iraq.

Pakistan supported and still supports the Taliban there, bringing more instability to the country while at the same time helping the US war effort there. Pakistan, in effect, really brought anarchy to the country.

Yes, they hosted 2-3 million refugees (and now trying to kick them out) but that's like giving a bandage to a person who you just shot in the leg and then asking the shooter to be grateful.

Afghans have every reason to dislike Pakistan imo.
Completely understandable.
 
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@DeadlyVenom
There are some truths to what he is saying but I am totally against government ministers punching down on lowest rings of society.

Afghan issue is complex and Pakistan along with other major powers (Russia, USA) and minor countries ( India) has committed crimes against the Afghan people.
 
There are some truths to what he is saying but I am totally against government ministers punching down on lowest rings of society.

Afghan issue is complex and Pakistan along with other major powers (Russia, USA) and minor countries ( India) has committed crimes against the Afghan people.

When everyone used Afghanistan and hurt them, Hindustanis were selflessly building Parliaments, schools, hospitals,
Damns and highways for their Afghan brothers. Not for vested interests. But in the name of Pyar Mohobbat.
 
When USA leaves from Afghanistan , Pakistani poster's Told " From now on Afghanistan will be our strategic depth "

But reality is Pakistan Betrayed Afghanistan people's by supporting Taliban bat the same time Supported USA as well
 
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When USA leaves from Afghanistan , Pakistani poster's Told " From now on Afghanistan will be our strategic depth "

But reality is Pakistan Betrayed Afghanistan people's by supporting Taliban bat the same time Supported USA as well
Legend has returned. Missed you bro
 
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It’s mainly due to ethnic and racial supremacy. In my experience the political scenarios obviously play a role, but it’s largely due to a feeling of being superior to Punjabis both culturally and religiously.

A blanket statement but it’s the truth, I have family close to the border btw. Pashtuns can be a very prideful, inward looking people. Often for no reason at all.

If you think it’s political, why are the Afghan youngsters so anti Pakistan? It’s not geo politics that’s for sure.
 
It’s mainly due to ethnic and racial supremacy. In my experience the political scenarios obviously play a role, but it’s largely due to a feeling of being superior to Punjabis both culturally and religiously.

A blanket statement but it’s the truth, I have family close to the border btw. Pashtuns can be a very prideful, inward looking people. Often for no reason at all.

If you think it’s political, why are the Afghan youngsters so anti Pakistan? It’s not geo politics that’s for sure.


I think that works both ways. Punjabis think Afghans are illiterate cavemen, Afghans think Punjabis are just an extension of India and Hinduism. Afghan culture is very segregated and traditional, and Pashtun culture in particular is very tribal. Islam probably brought them out of the dark ages when it arrived on the scene, so when you take away religion, you are left with a toxic mix of rampant racism and revenge culture.
 
It's like saying why do Iraqi's hate America after the US has given so much aid to Iraq.

Pakistan supported and still supports the Taliban there, bringing more instability to the country while at the same time helping the US war effort there. Pakistan, in effect, really brought anarchy to the country.

Yes, they hosted 2-3 million refugees (and now trying to kick them out) but that's like giving a bandage to a person who you just shot in the leg and then asking the shooter to be grateful.

Afghans have every reason to dislike Pakistan imo.
This is a massive mischaracterization. Perhaps I am the only one here old enough to remember how things actually shaped up post Soviet war.

Once the Soviets were driven out, it was up to the Afghan people to rebuild their country but they immediately descended into chaos and anarchy. Several warlord factions start popping up from the remnants of the Mujahideen. It is true Pakistan backed the Mujahideen faction. Not having any dog in the fight would have been massively bad for Pakistan. Besides US also moved some strings behind the scenes because they wanted their continued influence in the region.

If anyone is to be blamed, its the Afghans themselves for not pushing back on these external factors and reaching some sort of internal compromise within the various factions. Basically they were all playing or one external side or the other. Blaming Pakistan is an easy cop out for them.
 
Afghans hated punjabis throughout history terrorising punjab for thousands of yrs

They even caused a phenomena called the roma gypsies of Europe who were basically punjabis indians taken as pow.

They were against the creation of pakistan

Were severely traumatised by Sikhs and in particular hari Singh

Their own king signed the durand line agreement with the British and they blame pakistan .

It's a very jealous and violent group of people in my opinion their run is over of looting punjab and carrying away slaves in particular young girls and boys their whole trade was one of being nomads , camel transporters and then raiders looters of fertile plains
 
This is a massive mischaracterization. Perhaps I am the only one here old enough to remember how things actually shaped up post Soviet war.

Once the Soviets were driven out, it was up to the Afghan people to rebuild their country but they immediately descended into chaos and anarchy. Several warlord factions start popping up from the remnants of the Mujahideen. It is true Pakistan backed the Mujahideen faction. Not having any dog in the fight would have been massively bad for Pakistan. Besides US also moved some strings behind the scenes because they wanted their continued influence in the region.

If anyone is to be blamed, its the Afghans themselves for not pushing back on these external factors and reaching some sort of internal compromise within the various factions. Basically they were all playing or one external side or the other. Blaming Pakistan is an easy cop out for them.
This.

Problem with Afghanistan is that they re unable to live with each other in peace. Therefore, they look for outsiders to help them out in fights against each other.

I am old enough to remember that Tajiks were once the favoured Mujahideens for Pakistan because they tended to be more educated and acted as a bulwark against Pashtun nationalism. That changed over the years once they started to having a pop at each other and it got to the point that it was completely lawless. Also, when the Pashtuns started to have a greater influence in Pakistan army, they changed the support from Tajiks to Pashtun groups of the Mujahideen.

Let us not forget it was Benazir Bhutto and her interior minister Farhutallah Babar (Pashtun) who put unequivocal support behind students that came to be known as the "Taliban" movement.
 
This.

Problem with Afghanistan is that they re unable to live with each other in peace. Therefore, they look for outsiders to help them out in fights against each other.

I am old enough to remember that Tajiks were once the favoured Mujahideens for Pakistan because they tended to be more educated and acted as a bulwark against Pashtun nationalism. That changed over the years once they started to having a pop at each other and it got to the point that it was completely lawless. Also, when the Pashtuns started to have a greater influence in Pakistan army, they changed the support from Tajiks to Pashtun groups of the Mujahideen.

Let us not forget it was Benazir Bhutto and her interior minister Farhutallah Babar (Pashtun) who put unequivocal support behind students that came to be known as the "Taliban" movement.
Naseer ullah Babar
 
I think that works both ways. Punjabis think Afghans are illiterate cavemen, Afghans think Punjabis are just an extension of India and Hinduism. Afghan culture is very segregated and traditional, and Pashtun culture in particular is very tribal. Islam probably brought them out of the dark ages when it arrived on the scene, so when you take away religion, you are left with a toxic mix of rampant racism and revenge culture.
Yes, pretty much.

The only point is Islam has not brought them out of the darkness, instead it’s been co-opted or infused into the culture. It’s only when you strip away the tribalism you realise how absurd the racism and sexism is. They’ve moulded their own Islam rather than allow it to guide them. Religion is used as justification for the culture when it really isn’t.

I’m talking about Pashtuns.
 
Pakistan has always supported Afghanistan and their people in hard times. After the Afghan war Pakistan gave refuge to almost 3 million Afghans. Pakistan, over the years, also had given million of dollars financial aids to Afghanistan. Even the whole Afghanistan cricket team has utilized the stadiums and facilities in Pakistan to hone their cricketing skills. But still, why do we notice objectionable and inappropriate demeanor of Afghans towards the people of Pakistan. Despite our numerous sacrifices and favours on them.

Answering from an Afghan "perspective" so please don't shoot the messenger as I have asked this dozens of times.

Because Pakistan provided bases, logistical support to US bombing raids which killed thousands of Afghans. Pakistani military falsely arrested hundreds and sold them to the Americans for Dollars. There are two "Whataboutism" arguments which don't apply:​
  1. India: It is a Kaafir nation so it is never loyal to Islam and Muslims. Pakistan claimed to be "Muslims" and yet did untold damage to Muslims of Afghanistan.​
  2. Restraint: Pakistan apparently despite huge US pressure didn't do as much they were asked and that may be true but still did untold damage.​
It is well appreciated that (people of Pakistan) welcomed and accommodated millions of Afghans during Soviet-war and afterwards and proved to be tremendously hospitable and there isn't a single Afghan who doesn't appreciate it.
The era before Taliban where Afghans opposed Pakistan was largely due to non-Pushtun racial and communism reasons which no longer apply.

The issue is with the Government and military of Pakistan. People (of Pakistan) can either listen and work to defuse the "perspective" or call Afghan "Namak Harams etc" and carry on to defend the actions of their Government and their abrupt changes in Foreign policy.
 
Answering from an Afghan "perspective" so please don't shoot the messenger as I have asked this dozens of times.

Because Pakistan provided bases, logistical support to US bombing raids which killed thousands of Afghans. Pakistani military falsely arrested hundreds and sold them to the Americans for Dollars. There are two "Whataboutism" arguments which don't apply:​
  1. India: It is a Kaafir nation so it is never loyal to Islam and Muslims. Pakistan claimed to be "Muslims" and yet did untold damage to Muslims of Afghanistan.​
  2. Restraint: Pakistan apparently despite huge US pressure didn't do as much they were asked and that may be true but still did untold damage.​
It is well appreciated that (people of Pakistan) welcomed and accommodated millions of Afghans during Soviet-war and afterwards and proved to be tremendously hospitable and there isn't a single Afghan who doesn't appreciate it.
The era before Taliban where Afghans opposed Pakistan was largely due to non-Pushtun racial and communism reasons which no longer apply.

The issue is with the Government and military of Pakistan. People (of Pakistan) can either listen and work to defuse the "perspective" or call Afghan "Namak Harams etc" and carry on to defend the actions of their Government and their abrupt changes in Foreign policy.
This argument can be made by non Pashtuns like the Hazara, Tajiks, and Uzbeks but the support for the Taliban is predominantly Pashtun.

A lot of the hate comes from the Pashtun themselves.
 
This argument can be made by non Pashtuns like the Hazara, Tajiks, and Uzbeks but the support for the Taliban is predominantly Pashtun.

A lot of the hate comes from the Pashtun themselves.
These reasons are coming directly from Pushtuns in Afghanistan and the Taliban. I keep saying to Pakistani people, in conflict resolution perception matters.

If it is the perception of Afghans that Pakistan Government and its military are corrupt and responsible for thousands of deaths then the perception needs to be addressed.

When Mufti Taqi Usmani went to Afghanistan, take a look at his welcome and the reception he got from the Afghan people.

Afghan society is a tribal society and they have certain norms (like it or not) and Pakistan decides to appoint:​
  1. Mohammad Sadiq: Pakistan's Special Representative for Afghanistan and then;​
  2. Ubaid-ur-Rehman Nizamani: Chargé d’Affaires & Head of Mission, Embassy of Pakistan Kabul which is this guy (below)​
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People of Pakistan either get the stupidity of both of these appointments in Afghanistan or they don't! If they don't nobody can help them!

So let me ask you again, do People of Pakistan actually know what their Government does (on the diplomatic) front? OR just calling someone "Namak Harams" is the Foreign policy?

Pakistan can't deal with Afghanistan militarily, they have been bombed by US so what will PAF do what USSR and USA already have not done?​
 
There are pragmatic ways to engage with Afghanistan and its people, but a meaningful and honest dialogue can only begin once we move past the emotionally charged “Namak Haram” narrative prevalent in Pakistan.

Even if one holds the view that Afghans have acted ungratefully, it remains a geopolitical challenge that must be addressed constructively. History has shown that neither the USSR nor the United States was able to subdue Afghanistan militarily—whether or not they had ISI support. The idea that the Pakistan Air Force can bomb Afghans into submission is simply unrealistic and counterproductive.

Pakistan’s long-term security hinges on having cordial—if not yet peaceful—relations with both Iran and Afghanistan. I use the word “cordial” deliberately, as even a functional working relationship would be a major step forward.


Regional Strategic Outlook:
  • China: A steadfast strategic partner.​
  • India: A consistent adversary and always will be​
  • Bhutan: Largely within India’s strategic orbit; minimal direct influence.​
  • Iran & Afghanistan: Require active, managed engagement to ensure border security and regional stability. I have chosen my words very carefully.​
  • Bangladesh: Must be brought closer into Pakistan’s sphere of cooperation—economically, culturally, and diplomatically.​
  • Sri Lanka: Should be offered military training, intelligence cooperation, and strategic aid to strengthen bilateral ties.​
  • Myanmar: Already under China’s influence; Pakistan can leverage its close ties with China to engage Myanmar when needed.​
  • Nepal: Disillusioned with Indian hegemony and increasingly open to Chinese overtures—this is an opportunity Pakistan can strategically capitalize on.​
China has often leveraged Pakistan’s Islamic credentials to bolster its own outreach to the Muslim world. Pakistan should do the same: align its religious, cultural, and geopolitical capital with China’s financial and technological strength to maximize regional influence.

I’ve discussed the complexities of Afghanistan extensively with seasoned diplomats, including Ambassador Abdul Basit, Foreign Service officers in New York, and prominent Islamic scholars in Pakistan. These conversations have yielded concrete ideas for improving Pakistan-Afghanistan relations.

So when I write on these issues, know that this is not emotional venting—it’s the result of thoughtful engagement and informed discourse with experts across the board.

But lets go with "Namak Haram" because it is convenient and will bear results...
 
There are pragmatic ways to engage with Afghanistan and its people, but a meaningful and honest dialogue can only begin once we move past the emotionally charged “Namak Haram” narrative prevalent in Pakistan.

Even if one holds the view that Afghans have acted ungratefully, it remains a geopolitical challenge that must be addressed constructively. History has shown that neither the USSR nor the United States was able to subdue Afghanistan militarily—whether or not they had ISI support. The idea that the Pakistan Air Force can bomb Afghans into submission is simply unrealistic and counterproductive.

Pakistan’s long-term security hinges on having cordial—if not yet peaceful—relations with both Iran and Afghanistan. I use the word “cordial” deliberately, as even a functional working relationship would be a major step forward.


Regional Strategic Outlook:
  • China: A steadfast strategic partner.​
  • India: A consistent adversary and always will be​
  • Bhutan: Largely within India’s strategic orbit; minimal direct influence.​
  • Iran & Afghanistan: Require active, managed engagement to ensure border security and regional stability. I have chosen my words very carefully.​
  • Bangladesh: Must be brought closer into Pakistan’s sphere of cooperation—economically, culturally, and diplomatically.​
  • Sri Lanka: Should be offered military training, intelligence cooperation, and strategic aid to strengthen bilateral ties.​
  • Myanmar: Already under China’s influence; Pakistan can leverage its close ties with China to engage Myanmar when needed.​
  • Nepal: Disillusioned with Indian hegemony and increasingly open to Chinese overtures—this is an opportunity Pakistan can strategically capitalize on.​
China has often leveraged Pakistan’s Islamic credentials to bolster its own outreach to the Muslim world. Pakistan should do the same: align its religious, cultural, and geopolitical capital with China’s financial and technological strength to maximize regional influence.

I’ve discussed the complexities of Afghanistan extensively with seasoned diplomats, including Ambassador Abdul Basit, Foreign Service officers in New York, and prominent Islamic scholars in Pakistan. These conversations have yielded concrete ideas for improving Pakistan-Afghanistan relations.

So when I write on these issues, know that this is not emotional venting—it’s the result of thoughtful engagement and informed discourse with experts across the board.

But lets go with "Namak Haram" because it is convenient and will bear results...
I agree. China should lead more closer partnerships with Iran, Afghanistan and Bangladesh.

There are so many opportunities to build strong relationships with neighbours but we lack the will and the correct leadership at the highest level. There is no vision, at best we make moves to counter India but never follow through with any real conviction with others. It’s a kind of survival first policy
which doesn’t foster deep ties with anyone.
 
There are pragmatic ways to engage with Afghanistan and its people, but a meaningful and honest dialogue can only begin once we move past the emotionally charged “Namak Haram” narrative prevalent in Pakistan.

Even if one holds the view that Afghans have acted ungratefully, it remains a geopolitical challenge that must be addressed constructively. History has shown that neither the USSR nor the United States was able to subdue Afghanistan militarily—whether or not they had ISI support. The idea that the Pakistan Air Force can bomb Afghans into submission is simply unrealistic and counterproductive.

Pakistan’s long-term security hinges on having cordial—if not yet peaceful—relations with both Iran and Afghanistan. I use the word “cordial” deliberately, as even a functional working relationship would be a major step forward.


Regional Strategic Outlook:
  • China: A steadfast strategic partner.​
  • India: A consistent adversary and always will be​
  • Bhutan: Largely within India’s strategic orbit; minimal direct influence.​
  • Iran & Afghanistan: Require active, managed engagement to ensure border security and regional stability. I have chosen my words very carefully.​
  • Bangladesh: Must be brought closer into Pakistan’s sphere of cooperation—economically, culturally, and diplomatically.​
  • Sri Lanka: Should be offered military training, intelligence cooperation, and strategic aid to strengthen bilateral ties.​
  • Myanmar: Already under China’s influence; Pakistan can leverage its close ties with China to engage Myanmar when needed.​
  • Nepal: Disillusioned with Indian hegemony and increasingly open to Chinese overtures—this is an opportunity Pakistan can strategically capitalize on.​
China has often leveraged Pakistan’s Islamic credentials to bolster its own outreach to the Muslim world. Pakistan should do the same: align its religious, cultural, and geopolitical capital with China’s financial and technological strength to maximize regional influence.

I’ve discussed the complexities of Afghanistan extensively with seasoned diplomats, including Ambassador Abdul Basit, Foreign Service officers in New York, and prominent Islamic scholars in Pakistan. These conversations have yielded concrete ideas for improving Pakistan-Afghanistan relations.

So when I write on these issues, know that this is not emotional venting—it’s the result of thoughtful engagement and informed discourse with experts across the board.

But lets go with "Namak Haram" because it is convenient and will bear results...

One of the issues of theocratic rule is there can be a tendency to look for black and white solutions which are impractical in the geopolitical sphere. Pakistan has been criticised for it's pragmatic approach during the Afghan war by some religious parties, but then we see that same pragmatism displayed by Afghans siding with non-Muslim enemies of Pakistan when it suits their purpose.

I am not going to point fingers here, but an understanding of geopolitics needs to be there. Afghanistan and Iran should know by now that short term friendships with long term enemies is a dangerous game. You can't be a theocratic state then shake hands with the enemies of Muslims.
 
These reasons are coming directly from Pushtuns in Afghanistan and the Taliban. I keep saying to Pakistani people, in conflict resolution perception matters.

If it is the perception of Afghans that Pakistan Government and its military are corrupt and responsible for thousands of deaths then the perception needs to be addressed.

When Mufti Taqi Usmani went to Afghanistan, take a look at his welcome and the reception he got from the Afghan people.

Afghan society is a tribal society and they have certain norms (like it or not) and Pakistan decides to appoint:​
  1. Mohammad Sadiq: Pakistan's Special Representative for Afghanistan and then;​
  2. Ubaid-ur-Rehman Nizamani: Chargé d’Affaires & Head of Mission, Embassy of Pakistan Kabul which is this guy (below)​
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People of Pakistan either get the stupidity of both of these appointments in Afghanistan or they don't! If they don't nobody can help them!

So let me ask you again, do People of Pakistan actually know what their Government does (on the diplomatic) front? OR just calling someone "Namak Harams" is the Foreign policy?

Pakistan can't deal with Afghanistan militarily, they have been bombed by US so what will PAF do what USSR and USA already have not done?​

Let me just forward you to the point that everyone wants to know..... so what do you think Pakistan Government and Military should do? No waffle please, just clear and salient points.
 
Let me just forward you to the point that everyone wants to know..... so what do you think Pakistan Government and Military should do? No waffle please, just clear and salient points.
Framework for Resetting Afghan-Pakistan Relations

A critical first step toward resolving these issues is to exclude the liberal-secular voices from the Musharraf era (or now) who were disconnected from ground realities and contributed to strategic miscalculations. Their continued involvement only complicates matters. Once they are removed from the equation, many of the challenges will begin to resolve themselves organically.

Ghosts of the Past
  1. Clarify Policy on Musharraf-Era U-Turn: Acknowledge and clearly define whether the dramatic policy shift during the Musharraf era regarding Afghanistan was a strategic error or a calculated move.​
  2. If it was a mistake — as many believe — it should be acknowledged openly. Pakistan must offer a formal and repeated apology and take responsibility for the long-term consequences.​
  3. Develop a consistent foreign policy narrative around Afghanistan, and ensure that all arms of the state adhere to it without deviation.​
Political Reset
  1. Free and Fair Elections: Release Imran Khan (IK), ensure transparent elections, and allow democratic forces to re-engage with Afghanistan, including official visits by elected representatives and specifically IK...​
  2. Decentralized KP Governance:Let a duly elected KP government — under IK or any other legitimate political force — manage provincial matters, especially those affecting Pak-Afghan relations.​
  3. Empower local structures including ulama, jirgas, and tribal elders.​
  4. Guarantee swift, affordable, and impartial justice for KP residents to build trust and reduce alienation.​
Foreign Office & Diplomatic Engagement
  1. Revamp Diplomatic Representation: Place culturally and linguistically competent Pashtun officers (preferably Yusufzai or Popalzai lineage, over 6 ft tall men — culturally significant in Afghan context) in key consular posts in Afghanistan. If necessary, promote capable junior officers.​
  2. Joint Military-Foreign Office Delegations: Send coordinated high-level delegations — senior military officers accompanied by experienced Pashtun diplomats — to engage with all levels of the Taliban leadership. Discuss the historic Musharraf U-turn candidly and seek a joint civil-military-diplomatic reset.​
Confidence-Building Measures & Public Diplomacy
  1. Media & Social Media Campaign: Launch a sustained, multilingual media offensive (Urdu, Pashto, Dari, English) focused on:
    1. Positive anecdotes of cooperation.​
    2. Human stories from KP and Afghanistan.​
    3. Peace-building narratives​
  2. Leverage Pakistan's superior media and digital reach to create goodwill and frame the national narrative. Afghan media and social media presence cannot match this volume and consistency — this is an advantage Pakistan must use smartly.​
Afghan Visas & Trade:
  1. Prioritize medical visas and treatment for Afghan patients in KP and North Punjab. Monitor but facilitate with dignity.​
  2. Prioritize Afghan trade and transit via Karachi and Gwadar, including from India. Use smart logistics and surveillance, similar to Indian practices.​
  3. Religious and Scholarly Exchange:
    1. Initiate high-level religious diplomacy by Sending senior Pakistani scholars to Afghanistan.​
    2. Hosting Afghan ulama across Pakistan’s madaris and seminaries.​
    3. Normalize scholar-level engagement to counter radical ideologies.​
Aqeedah & Ideological Clarity
  1. Counter-TTP Ideology:​
  2. Publicly and academically challenge the ideological roots of TTP, especially their fringe Mamati Deobandi and Panjpiri positions.​
  3. Highlight how both mainstream Deoband and Ahl-e-Hadeeth circles (in both Pakistan and Afghanistan) have historically rejected such distortions.​
  4. Produce accessible material in Urdu, Pashto, Dari, and Arabic that dissects and discredits this ideological deviance.​
“Those who don’t understand this point need not worry — those who matter, do.”

Symbolic Warfare – Janazah Campaign
  1. Cultural Leverage Through Mourning: Pashtun society places immense emotional and moral weight on Janazah (funeral prayers). Every victim of terrorism — military or civilian — should receive a public, documented funeral, broadcast with translations and commentary in all relevant languages.​
  2. These events should resonate deeply across Afghan society. Let every loss in Pakistan be mourned visibly and loudly, so that Afghan audiences cannot ignore the human cost of cross-border terrorism.​
Military & Security Cooperation
  1. Professional Military Training: Allow capable Afghan officers, JCOs, and NCOs to train in Pakistan — based purely on merit and professional standards. This is a long-term trust-building exercise, similar to Pakistan’s military ties with Sri Lanka. Unlike India, do not dilute standards to accommodate political needs — excellence builds respect.​
  2. Direct Dialogue on Border Security: Hold consistent and frank conversations with Afghan military and border forces — at all levels — about cross-border terrorism. If India can do this with China despite complex tensions, Pakistan can and must do so with Afghanistan.​
Information Warfare & Strategic Messaging
  1. Build a Trained Media Corps: Develop and deploy a well-trained army of articulate, media-savvy Pashtun professionals who:Masterfully represent Pakistan’s narrative in Afghan TV, podcasts, and public discourse. Are equipped to face hard questions and engage in respectful but firm dialogue.​
  2. Reciprocal Dialogue: Invite Afghan voices to Pakistani media forums. Let disagreements be aired — this fosters credibility and reduces misperceptions.​
Final Contingency — If Conflict Becomes Inevitable

If, after extensive outreach and confidence-building efforts, terrorism continues to emanate from Afghan soil, Pakistan must be prepared to act militarily — but only with full moral and diplomatic clarity.

A well-crafted and consistently communicated foreign policy will ensure:

The Afghan public understands the steps Pakistan took to avoid conflict.

The regional and global community sees that military action was a last resort, not a first impulse.​

Why Afghanistan is not Bangladesh?

The Pakistani military made monumental errors in East Pakistan as well. However, the absence of a coherent strategy to address the historical wrongs in Bangladesh will not lead to child-sized coffins in the streets of Pakistan. There is a crucial distinction: Bengali Muslims are not Pashtun. Over time, despite grievances, Bangladeshis are likely to soften their stance and move toward normalization.

Pakistan must also acknowledge the injustices committed against the people of Bangladesh. These historical wrongs deserve to be addressed — sincerely and honestly. However, the approach toward Bangladeshis must differ from that toward Afghans, because the nature and scope of the issues are fundamentally different.

The challenge with Afghanistan is not just historical; it is ongoing and strategically vital to Pakistan’s national security. It demands a more urgent, multi-dimensional response. While reconciliation with Bangladesh is a matter of historical reckoning and regional goodwill, the Afghan question directly affects the internal stability, border security, and future coherence of the Pakistani state.

Each issue requires its own method, pace, and tone — but both must be addressed if Pakistan is to move forward with credibility and strength.

In contrast, the Pashtun issue is fundamentally different. It is not merely a grievance — it is a festering wound, one that, if left untreated, will deepen and metastasize. Ignoring or mishandling it will only make the problem worse over time.

Pakistan cannot — and should not — try to militarily subdue the Afghans. History has proven that such efforts are futile. But more importantly, they are unnecessary. Pakistan possesses a broad array of tools — political, cultural, diplomatic, religious, informational — that, if used wisely and consistently, can manage and even reshape Afghan perceptions and dynamics to serve mutual stability.
 
One of the issues of theocratic rule is there can be a tendency to look for black and white solutions which are impractical in the geopolitical sphere. Pakistan has been criticised for it's pragmatic approach during the Afghan war by some religious parties, but then we see that same pragmatism displayed by Afghans siding with non-Muslim enemies of Pakistan when it suits their purpose.

I am not going to point fingers here, but an understanding of geopolitics needs to be there. Afghanistan and Iran should know by now that short term friendships with long term enemies is a dangerous game. You can't be a theocratic state then shake hands with the enemies of Muslims.
The geopolitical implications are less understood by many Afghans. It’s not unexpected for them to think that others have contributed to their non progress as a nation but their understanding only extends as far their neighbours. This is because they are resistant to any outside influence and do not trust foreigners. Also, there is the feeling that some territory of Pakistan is historically Afghan.

Will take a few years for them to accept geopolitical realities to make some concessions. Right now all they do is give lip service to others.

Iran should play smarter, the black market oil can only extend the existence of an independent “regime” for so long. The religious clergy should know they need to develop deep ties with neighbours for their own sake. For years they used the ME as a shield sacrificing Sunni lives to protect themselves. Now it’s non existent they don’t have many options here other than blocking some ships. Again a very proud people who think they can stand on their own in a region full of sectarian enemies and imperialists.
 
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Framework for Resetting Afghan-Pakistan Relations

A critical first step toward resolving these issues is to exclude the liberal-secular voices from the Musharraf era (or now) who were disconnected from ground realities and contributed to strategic miscalculations. Their continued involvement only complicates matters. Once they are removed from the equation, many of the challenges will begin to resolve themselves organically.

Ghosts of the Past
  1. Clarify Policy on Musharraf-Era U-Turn: Acknowledge and clearly define whether the dramatic policy shift during the Musharraf era regarding Afghanistan was a strategic error or a calculated move.​
  2. If it was a mistake — as many believe — it should be acknowledged openly. Pakistan must offer a formal and repeated apology and take responsibility for the long-term consequences.​
  3. Develop a consistent foreign policy narrative around Afghanistan, and ensure that all arms of the state adhere to it without deviation.​
Political Reset
  1. Free and Fair Elections: Release Imran Khan (IK), ensure transparent elections, and allow democratic forces to re-engage with Afghanistan, including official visits by elected representatives and specifically IK...​
  2. Decentralized KP Governance:Let a duly elected KP government — under IK or any other legitimate political force — manage provincial matters, especially those affecting Pak-Afghan relations.​
  3. Empower local structures including ulama, jirgas, and tribal elders.​
  4. Guarantee swift, affordable, and impartial justice for KP residents to build trust and reduce alienation.​
Foreign Office & Diplomatic Engagement
  1. Revamp Diplomatic Representation: Place culturally and linguistically competent Pashtun officers (preferably Yusufzai or Popalzai lineage, over 6 ft tall men — culturally significant in Afghan context) in key consular posts in Afghanistan. If necessary, promote capable junior officers.​
  2. Joint Military-Foreign Office Delegations: Send coordinated high-level delegations — senior military officers accompanied by experienced Pashtun diplomats — to engage with all levels of the Taliban leadership. Discuss the historic Musharraf U-turn candidly and seek a joint civil-military-diplomatic reset.​
Confidence-Building Measures & Public Diplomacy
  1. Media & Social Media Campaign: Launch a sustained, multilingual media offensive (Urdu, Pashto, Dari, English) focused on:​
    1. Positive anecdotes of cooperation.​
    2. Human stories from KP and Afghanistan.​
    3. Peace-building narratives​
  2. Leverage Pakistan's superior media and digital reach to create goodwill and frame the national narrative. Afghan media and social media presence cannot match this volume and consistency — this is an advantage Pakistan must use smartly.​
Afghan Visas & Trade:
  1. Prioritize medical visas and treatment for Afghan patients in KP and North Punjab. Monitor but facilitate with dignity.​
  2. Prioritize Afghan trade and transit via Karachi and Gwadar, including from India. Use smart logistics and surveillance, similar to Indian practices.​
  3. Religious and Scholarly Exchange:​
    1. Initiate high-level religious diplomacy by Sending senior Pakistani scholars to Afghanistan.​
    2. Hosting Afghan ulama across Pakistan’s madaris and seminaries.​
    3. Normalize scholar-level engagement to counter radical ideologies.​
Aqeedah & Ideological Clarity
  1. Counter-TTP Ideology:​
  2. Publicly and academically challenge the ideological roots of TTP, especially their fringe Mamati Deobandi and Panjpiri positions.​
  3. Highlight how both mainstream Deoband and Ahl-e-Hadeeth circles (in both Pakistan and Afghanistan) have historically rejected such distortions.​
  4. Produce accessible material in Urdu, Pashto, Dari, and Arabic that dissects and discredits this ideological deviance.​
“Those who don’t understand this point need not worry — those who matter, do.”

Symbolic Warfare – Janazah Campaign
  1. Cultural Leverage Through Mourning: Pashtun society places immense emotional and moral weight on Janazah (funeral prayers). Every victim of terrorism — military or civilian — should receive a public, documented funeral, broadcast with translations and commentary in all relevant languages.​
  2. These events should resonate deeply across Afghan society. Let every loss in Pakistan be mourned visibly and loudly, so that Afghan audiences cannot ignore the human cost of cross-border terrorism.​
Military & Security Cooperation
  1. Professional Military Training: Allow capable Afghan officers, JCOs, and NCOs to train in Pakistan — based purely on merit and professional standards. This is a long-term trust-building exercise, similar to Pakistan’s military ties with Sri Lanka. Unlike India, do not dilute standards to accommodate political needs — excellence builds respect.​
  2. Direct Dialogue on Border Security: Hold consistent and frank conversations with Afghan military and border forces — at all levels — about cross-border terrorism. If India can do this with China despite complex tensions, Pakistan can and must do so with Afghanistan.​
Information Warfare & Strategic Messaging
  1. Build a Trained Media Corps: Develop and deploy a well-trained army of articulate, media-savvy Pashtun professionals who:Masterfully represent Pakistan’s narrative in Afghan TV, podcasts, and public discourse. Are equipped to face hard questions and engage in respectful but firm dialogue.​
  2. Reciprocal Dialogue: Invite Afghan voices to Pakistani media forums. Let disagreements be aired — this fosters credibility and reduces misperceptions.​
Final Contingency — If Conflict Becomes Inevitable

If, after extensive outreach and confidence-building efforts, terrorism continues to emanate from Afghan soil, Pakistan must be prepared to act militarily — but only with full moral and diplomatic clarity.

A well-crafted and consistently communicated foreign policy will ensure:

The Afghan public understands the steps Pakistan took to avoid conflict.

The regional and global community sees that military action was a last resort, not a first impulse.​

Why Afghanistan is not Bangladesh?

The Pakistani military made monumental errors in East Pakistan as well. However, the absence of a coherent strategy to address the historical wrongs in Bangladesh will not lead to child-sized coffins in the streets of Pakistan. There is a crucial distinction: Bengali Muslims are not Pashtun. Over time, despite grievances, Bangladeshis are likely to soften their stance and move toward normalization.

Pakistan must also acknowledge the injustices committed against the people of Bangladesh. These historical wrongs deserve to be addressed — sincerely and honestly. However, the approach toward Bangladeshis must differ from that toward Afghans, because the nature and scope of the issues are fundamentally different.

The challenge with Afghanistan is not just historical; it is ongoing and strategically vital to Pakistan’s national security. It demands a more urgent, multi-dimensional response. While reconciliation with Bangladesh is a matter of historical reckoning and regional goodwill, the Afghan question directly affects the internal stability, border security, and future coherence of the Pakistani state.

Each issue requires its own method, pace, and tone — but both must be addressed if Pakistan is to move forward with credibility and strength.

In contrast, the Pashtun issue is fundamentally different. It is not merely a grievance — it is a festering wound, one that, if left untreated, will deepen and metastasize. Ignoring or mishandling it will only make the problem worse over time.

Pakistan cannot — and should not — try to militarily subdue the Afghans. History has proven that such efforts are futile. But more importantly, they are unnecessary. Pakistan possesses a broad array of tools — political, cultural, diplomatic, religious, informational — that, if used wisely and consistently, can manage and even reshape Afghan perceptions and dynamics to serve mutual stability.
Great suggestions but we have never had the leadership to carry out such bold policies. Our governments only exist to stay relevant and in power. Maybe the next generation can sort this out.
 
Great suggestions but we have never had the leadership to carry out such bold policies. Our governments only exist to stay relevant and in power. Maybe the next generation can sort this out.
Pakistan Army Cadets at PMA have a saying

A son a day, is the Price we Pay

Fear the day when Pakistani sons stop paying the price for the folly of the Generals.
 
Neither country has clean hands. Afghanistan laid the seeds of mistrust by voting against Pakistan's UN admission. Afghanistan's govt instigated riots against Pakistani embassies in the 50s, and even invaded KPK in the 60s. Their refusal to recognise the Durand Line is another sore spot.

Pakistan's deep state, although not alone in this regard, saw Afghanistan as a petri dish for experimentation, funding this faction or arming that warlord to maximise its leverage.

Maybe it's easy to say in hindsight but our deep state miscalculated in viewing Afghan nationalism as a bigger security threat than the religious fundamentalists who ended up killing thousands of Pakistanis, proving far more difficult to tame (the so-called "blowback" effect). Ultimately we ended up with the worst of all worlds. The Afghan nationalists despise us and so do the religious fundamentalists.

That said some Afghans seem unable to distinguish between Pakistani state policy and its citizens, who gave them food and shelter for decades. Some Afghans have misbehaved, engaging in organised crime in Karachi and elsewhere. They forget Pakistanis too have suffered from the generals' games, and overlook their own country's part in poisoning relations.
 
Framework for Resetting Afghan-Pakistan Relations

A critical first step toward resolving these issues is to exclude the liberal-secular voices from the Musharraf era (or now) who were disconnected from ground realities and contributed to strategic miscalculations. Their continued involvement only complicates matters. Once they are removed from the equation, many of the challenges will begin to resolve themselves organically.

Ghosts of the Past
  1. Clarify Policy on Musharraf-Era U-Turn: Acknowledge and clearly define whether the dramatic policy shift during the Musharraf era regarding Afghanistan was a strategic error or a calculated move.​
  2. If it was a mistake — as many believe — it should be acknowledged openly. Pakistan must offer a formal and repeated apology and take responsibility for the long-term consequences.​
  3. Develop a consistent foreign policy narrative around Afghanistan, and ensure that all arms of the state adhere to it without deviation.​
Political Reset
  1. Free and Fair Elections: Release Imran Khan (IK), ensure transparent elections, and allow democratic forces to re-engage with Afghanistan, including official visits by elected representatives and specifically IK...​
  2. Decentralized KP Governance:Let a duly elected KP government — under IK or any other legitimate political force — manage provincial matters, especially those affecting Pak-Afghan relations.​
  3. Empower local structures including ulama, jirgas, and tribal elders.​
  4. Guarantee swift, affordable, and impartial justice for KP residents to build trust and reduce alienation.​
Foreign Office & Diplomatic Engagement
  1. Revamp Diplomatic Representation: Place culturally and linguistically competent Pashtun officers (preferably Yusufzai or Popalzai lineage, over 6 ft tall men — culturally significant in Afghan context) in key consular posts in Afghanistan. If necessary, promote capable junior officers.​
  2. Joint Military-Foreign Office Delegations: Send coordinated high-level delegations — senior military officers accompanied by experienced Pashtun diplomats — to engage with all levels of the Taliban leadership. Discuss the historic Musharraf U-turn candidly and seek a joint civil-military-diplomatic reset.​
Confidence-Building Measures & Public Diplomacy
  1. Media & Social Media Campaign: Launch a sustained, multilingual media offensive (Urdu, Pashto, Dari, English) focused on:​
    1. Positive anecdotes of cooperation.​
    2. Human stories from KP and Afghanistan.​
    3. Peace-building narratives​
  2. Leverage Pakistan's superior media and digital reach to create goodwill and frame the national narrative. Afghan media and social media presence cannot match this volume and consistency — this is an advantage Pakistan must use smartly.​
Afghan Visas & Trade:
  1. Prioritize medical visas and treatment for Afghan patients in KP and North Punjab. Monitor but facilitate with dignity.​
  2. Prioritize Afghan trade and transit via Karachi and Gwadar, including from India. Use smart logistics and surveillance, similar to Indian practices.​
  3. Religious and Scholarly Exchange:​
    1. Initiate high-level religious diplomacy by Sending senior Pakistani scholars to Afghanistan.​
    2. Hosting Afghan ulama across Pakistan’s madaris and seminaries.​
    3. Normalize scholar-level engagement to counter radical ideologies.​
Aqeedah & Ideological Clarity
  1. Counter-TTP Ideology:​
  2. Publicly and academically challenge the ideological roots of TTP, especially their fringe Mamati Deobandi and Panjpiri positions.​
  3. Highlight how both mainstream Deoband and Ahl-e-Hadeeth circles (in both Pakistan and Afghanistan) have historically rejected such distortions.​
  4. Produce accessible material in Urdu, Pashto, Dari, and Arabic that dissects and discredits this ideological deviance.​
“Those who don’t understand this point need not worry — those who matter, do.”

Symbolic Warfare – Janazah Campaign
  1. Cultural Leverage Through Mourning: Pashtun society places immense emotional and moral weight on Janazah (funeral prayers). Every victim of terrorism — military or civilian — should receive a public, documented funeral, broadcast with translations and commentary in all relevant languages.​
  2. These events should resonate deeply across Afghan society. Let every loss in Pakistan be mourned visibly and loudly, so that Afghan audiences cannot ignore the human cost of cross-border terrorism.​
Military & Security Cooperation
  1. Professional Military Training: Allow capable Afghan officers, JCOs, and NCOs to train in Pakistan — based purely on merit and professional standards. This is a long-term trust-building exercise, similar to Pakistan’s military ties with Sri Lanka. Unlike India, do not dilute standards to accommodate political needs — excellence builds respect.​
  2. Direct Dialogue on Border Security: Hold consistent and frank conversations with Afghan military and border forces — at all levels — about cross-border terrorism. If India can do this with China despite complex tensions, Pakistan can and must do so with Afghanistan.​
Information Warfare & Strategic Messaging
  1. Build a Trained Media Corps: Develop and deploy a well-trained army of articulate, media-savvy Pashtun professionals who:Masterfully represent Pakistan’s narrative in Afghan TV, podcasts, and public discourse. Are equipped to face hard questions and engage in respectful but firm dialogue.​
  2. Reciprocal Dialogue: Invite Afghan voices to Pakistani media forums. Let disagreements be aired — this fosters credibility and reduces misperceptions.​
Final Contingency — If Conflict Becomes Inevitable

If, after extensive outreach and confidence-building efforts, terrorism continues to emanate from Afghan soil, Pakistan must be prepared to act militarily — but only with full moral and diplomatic clarity.

A well-crafted and consistently communicated foreign policy will ensure:

The Afghan public understands the steps Pakistan took to avoid conflict.

The regional and global community sees that military action was a last resort, not a first impulse.​

Why Afghanistan is not Bangladesh?

The Pakistani military made monumental errors in East Pakistan as well. However, the absence of a coherent strategy to address the historical wrongs in Bangladesh will not lead to child-sized coffins in the streets of Pakistan. There is a crucial distinction: Bengali Muslims are not Pashtun. Over time, despite grievances, Bangladeshis are likely to soften their stance and move toward normalization.

Pakistan must also acknowledge the injustices committed against the people of Bangladesh. These historical wrongs deserve to be addressed — sincerely and honestly. However, the approach toward Bangladeshis must differ from that toward Afghans, because the nature and scope of the issues are fundamentally different.

The challenge with Afghanistan is not just historical; it is ongoing and strategically vital to Pakistan’s national security. It demands a more urgent, multi-dimensional response. While reconciliation with Bangladesh is a matter of historical reckoning and regional goodwill, the Afghan question directly affects the internal stability, border security, and future coherence of the Pakistani state.

Each issue requires its own method, pace, and tone — but both must be addressed if Pakistan is to move forward with credibility and strength.

In contrast, the Pashtun issue is fundamentally different. It is not merely a grievance — it is a festering wound, one that, if left untreated, will deepen and metastasize. Ignoring or mishandling it will only make the problem worse over time.

Pakistan cannot — and should not — try to militarily subdue the Afghans. History has proven that such efforts are futile. But more importantly, they are unnecessary. Pakistan possesses a broad array of tools — political, cultural, diplomatic, religious, informational — that, if used wisely and consistently, can manage and even reshape Afghan perceptions and dynamics to serve mutual stability.
Firstly - are you of someone with Afghan origin?

Before I can comment on the entirety, could you now please provide what Afghan should do to mend the relationship.
 
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