Why should we play cricket with India when our soldiers and civilians are being targeted by them?

[MenInG]

Sorry but this is now ridiculous.

If whats'her name can talk about Indians being killed etc, we can also claim indisciminate violence by the Indian side.

Why should we be the ones to hold out a friendly hand when it comes to sports?

 

[Greenstorm]

Bigger hearts I guess

 

[cricketjoshila]

Sorry but this is now ridiculous.

If whats'her name can talk about Indians being killed etc, we can also claim indisciminate violence by the Indian side.

Why should we be the ones to hold out a friendly hand when it comes to sports?

Because of money.Nothing else.This is why pcb is running after bcci.

 

[Bewal Express]

PK doesnt need Ind money. The average PK cricketer will not benefit as 99% will disappear into the coffers of the Corrupt PCB officials. Let us not forget that we have the better record and that will never change.

 

[MenInG]

Because of money.Nothing else.This is why pcb is running after bcci.

Sad but this is how the game is played.

 

[Pakistanian]

Because of money.Nothing else.This is why pcb is running after bcci.

Pakistan hasn't hosted India since 2006 and last played a series in 2012, the PCB evidently does not need India.

 

[MenInG]

Pakistan hasn't hosted India since 2006 and last played a series in 2012, the PCB evidently does not need India.

if that is the case then why is every other statement about playing against India?

 

[Syed1]

I mean we haven't played India in 5 years and we seem to be surviving just fine. Also happened to win the 2nd biggest world tournament in the meanwhile. Indian PP'ers would be best served to get rid of their arrogance. They happen to represent a poor third world country with more poverty than sub-Saharan Africa. India has more poor people than Pakistan has people. If India was like US or China their arrogance would have made some sense.

 

[MenInG]

I mean we haven't played India in 5 years and we seem to be surviving just fine. Also happened to win the 2nd biggest world tournament in the meanwhile. Indian PP'ers would be best served to get rid of their arrogance. They happen to represent a poor third world country with more poverty than sub-Saharan Africa. India has more poor people than Pakistan has people. If India was like US or China their arrogance would have made some sense.

Think people missing point. Its not about when we played last or how much we earnt.

Why are we even considering playing against a team that represents soldiers which are murdering our soldiers and civilians?

That's the Indian stance and we should take that lead.

 

[Pakistanian]

^That's always been my personal stance. I never deal with Indians I meet, I'm polite but have no interest in working with them or being friends except for a few minority groups.

 

[MenInG]

^That's always been my personal stance. I never deal with Indians I meet, I'm polite but have no interest in working with them or being friends except for a few minority groups.

remember people to people contact is different. We are talking institutional stuff here.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I mean we haven't played India in 5 years and we seem to be surviving just fine. Also happened to win the 2nd biggest world tournament in the meanwhile. Indian PP'ers would be best served to get rid of their arrogance. They happen to represent a poor third world country with more poverty than sub-Saharan Africa. India has more poor people than Pakistan has people. If India was like US or China their arrogance would have made some sense.

Tell all this to PCB.Your saying all this here hasnt stopped PCB from asking for a series againist India.Tells you where Pakistans economic condition is.

I will not waste my time telling you about Pakistan, Trump may be tweeting already.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Think people missing point. Its not about when we played last or how much we earnt.

Why are we even considering playing against a team that represents soldiers which are murdering our soldiers and civilians?

That's the Indian stance and we should take that lead.

Pakistan would take that lead if it could. Pakistan boycotted the 1990 Asia cup and subsequent tours to India because India was not the financial hub of cricket then.Now according to PCB's statements FTP tours by India alone is worth 150mn USD.They are already asking for 70mn as compensation.That amount is big for pcb.

If you go through PCBs broadcast deal 90mn of the 150mn is on India touring.

Pcb simply isnt in a position to make that kind of money by any other means.

 

[MenInG]

Tell all this to PCB.Your saying all this here hasnt stopped PCB from asking for a series againist India.Tells you where Pakistans economic condition is.

I will not waste my time telling you about Pakistan, Trump may be tweeting already.

Pakistan's economic condition <> PCB's money earning wishes!

And bro, you can do better than bringing Trump into this.

 

[Bewal Express]

Tell all this to PCB.Your saying all this here hasnt stopped PCB from asking for a series againist India.Tells you where Pakistans economic condition is.

I will not waste my time telling you about Pakistan, Trump may be tweeting already.

Maybe you should ask the 600mn Indians that live on less $3.10 a day. In amongst that lot is another 180mn that live in absolute poverty.

 

[MenInG]

Maybe you should ask the 600mn Indians that live on less $3.10 a day. In amongst that lot is another 180mn that live in absolute poverty.

Better back that up with sources....

 

[Cosmic]

Better back that up with sources....

http://www.worldbank.org/en/news/infographic/2016/05/27/india-s-poverty-profile

There you go...

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Think people missing point. Its not about when we played last or how much we earnt.

Why are we even considering playing against a team that represents soldiers which are murdering our soldiers and civilians?

That's the Indian stance and we should take that lead.

Indian stance has always been about money, that is their driving motive and it is a worthy one in itself. But Pakistan is an Islamic nation and money should never be put above principle. Far from following India's lead of chasing Lakshmi, Pakistan should be leading with their own principle of never putting money or sport above people's lives.

 

[Savak]

PCB should sue for compensation.

 

[sjahmed23]

Because its a love hate relationship, they tease us and flatter first then leave us in the cold.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pakistan's economic condition <> PCB's money earning wishes!

And bro, you can do better than bringing Trump into this.

Sometimes somethings get on peoples nerves.This thread had nothing to do with poverty in India either.

Apologies though.

A bigger and better economic condition of Pakistan would have helped pcb offset some of these financial hits they are taking.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Maybe you should ask the 600mn Indians that live on less $3.10 a day. In amongst that lot is another 180mn that live in absolute poverty.

Yet bcci isnt going around asking for series.Are they?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Indian stance has always been about money, that is their driving motive and it is a worthy one in itself. But Pakistan is an Islamic nation and money should never be put above principle. Far from following India's lead of chasing Lakshmi, Pakistan should be leading with their own principle of never putting money or sport above people's lives.

You should not generalize all Indians. It is only hindus who worship Lakshmi. Not fair to lump all Indians as Hindus.

 

[Bewal Express]

Yet bcci isnt going around asking for series.Are they?

True, but it wipes off the arrogance of Indians like you who think that you are some sort of superpower. Superpowers dont have 1/2 of their population on the breadline.

 

[Pakistanian]

True, but it wipes off the arrogance of Indians like you who think that you are some sort of superpower. Superpowers dont have 1/2 of their population on the breadline.

India doesn't even have the geography to be a superpower, they lost their chance of becoming a superpower after partition.

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

I can't see the point of bringing up Trump and how many poor people each country have.

Stick to cricket and cricket economy instead of cheap shots.

Fact of the matter is India is superpower of cricket economy. All nations depends on a series with them and maybe Pakistan more than any other as India-Pak series would bring the most money compared to India vs any other nations.

PCB can try to shut the door on BCCI, but I think PCB will be the one hurting the most as it will mean huge loses economically.

The right thing will be for PCB to stop chasing BCCI and say .... you and we don't want to play you. When the situation gets better and there is realistic chance of series BCCI will themselves reach out. No need to chase them and be humiliated. PCB should learn to make money from elsewhere - Put focus on PSL.

 

[Gubol123]

Maybe you should ask the 600mn Indians that live on less $3.10 a day. In amongst that lot is another 180mn that live in absolute poverty.

As they say don't just go by what media says. That $3.1 is per person and not per household. I have a cousin who is a state govt employee and earns around 5 times that net pay per month for a household of 4. His effective take home pay per person is around $4 not much more than what you have quoted as poor person. He has an own house (1500 sqft) and two two wheeler, kids in a good school, LCD tv, fridge and all the modern amenities and lives in a city of million+ population. Money goes a long way in India.

This is not an isolated case. I have several acquaintances, far off relatives, and have known/employed plumbers, masons, drivers, etc who earn approximately around 400$ a month and lead a quite a comfortable life. Many actually own houses (though they tend to be smaller ones with around 1300sqft and in suburbs), own two wheeler and almost all modern amnesties.

how do they do it? In India if you are poor or lower middle class, govt has lots of schemes. Many have BPL (Below poverty line) cards and get grocery in at a subsidized rate (1 INR/KG rice, wheat, etc), Gas subsidy to their bank account, girl kids get school fees reimbursed, money paid to their marriage (for Muslim girls), Free TV, mixer grinder, etc. If they are smart they can leave a quite a good life with that money. They won't be middle class yet but lower middle class and no way in hell poor.

So don't trust every white reporter who yells oh my God $3.1 won't get a big mac and poor Indians are living in that amount.

 

[Gubol123]

Indian stance has always been about money, that is their driving motive and it is a worthy one in itself. But Pakistan is an Islamic nation and money should never be put above principle. Far from following India's lead of chasing Lakshmi, Pakistan should be leading with their own principle of never putting money or sport above people's lives.

Stop spreading lies.. India' stance has always been that no bilateral until terrorism stops. It is PCB who is suing/complaining about losses and after money..

 

[Gubol123]

India doesn't even have the geography to be a superpower, they lost their chance of becoming a superpower after partition.

right.. a country which is mostly inhospitable was a super power for a long time.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I would like Pakistan to put politics aside for sport unless there is an outright war going on.

Sport should be neutural imo as it helps remove the animosity of the public for both nations even if it doesn't help the political situation.

When Iran played the USA in football it was a great occasion as both peoples got to know each other.

India wants to isolate Pakistan but has failed and will continue to do so.

 

[Abdul]

For the guap.

 

[Hornbill]

Sorry but this is now ridiculous.

If whats'her name can talk about Indians being killed etc, we can also claim indisciminate violence by the Indian side.

Why should we be the ones to hold out a friendly hand when it comes to sports?

If India Start's training and sending jihadis across LOC I'm sure Pakistan will take a similar stands like India.

 

[Bewal Express]

As they say don't just go by what media says. That $3.1 is per person and not per household. I have a cousin who is a state govt employee and earns around 5 times that net pay per month for a household of 4. His effective take home pay per person is around $4 not much more than what you have quoted as poor person. He has an own house (1500 sqft) and two two wheeler, kids in a good school, LCD tv, fridge and all the modern amenities and lives in a city of million+ population. Money goes a long way in India.

This is not an isolated case. I have several acquaintances, far off relatives, and have known/employed plumbers, masons, drivers, etc who earn approximately around 400$ a month and lead a quite a comfortable life. Many actually own houses (though they tend to be smaller ones with around 1300sqft and in suburbs), own two wheeler and almost all modern amnesties.

how do they do it? In India if you are poor or lower middle class, govt has lots of schemes. Many have BPL (Below poverty line) cards and get grocery in at a subsidized rate (1 INR/KG rice, wheat, etc), Gas subsidy to their bank account, girl kids get school fees reimbursed, money paid to their marriage (for Muslim girls), Free TV, mixer grinder, etc. If they are smart they can leave a quite a good life with that money. They won't be middle class yet but lower middle class and no way in hell poor.

So don't trust every white reporter who yells oh my God $3.1 won't get a big mac and poor Indians are living in that amount.

As always with statistics there will be exceptions and even if the figure is as half as the stated, it is horrendous. Dont worry its the same in PK. My point was that our trolling friend was making out that economically one was a total basket and the other was some sort of Nirvana. Its India's right to play who ever they want but Pakistan and Pakistan crickey Will survive without Ind help. And for me its this that irritates Indians more than anything else.

 

[big_gamer007]

India doesn't even have the geography to be a superpower, they lost their chance of becoming a superpower after partition.

True, but it wipes off the arrogance of Indians like you who think that you are some sort of superpower. Superpowers dont have 1/2 of their population on the breadline.

India is a major superpower in the game of cricket which his thread is about.. Some posters might take condescending tone or take digs at PCB/Pakistan which is wrong but the fact is PCB would like to play a series against India because of the amount of money it will make them.. If BCCI was In PCB’s shoes financially maybe they would want to play a series against Pakistan too for the money however since BCCI don’t need the money they are happy with governments decision and are not trying to talk to the GOI about it...

On topic if Pakistani fans feel the way as mentioned in OP then that is fine.. Some people think sports and politics should be kept aside some think there should be total boycott till political environment becomes better.. To each their own..

 

[KingKhanWC]

If India Start's training and sending jihadis across LOC I'm sure Pakistan will take a similar stands like India.

Pakistan army has openely stated India has been behind many terrorist attacks in Pakistan. Your own spy has confimred this now.

 

[Hornbill]

Pakistan army has openely stated India has been behind many terrorist attacks in Pakistan. Your own spy has confimred this now.

How many Indians were involved in those attacks, As per data released by JK police and Indian army over 120 Pakistanis were killed along LOC and in Kashmir, Some of the dead were close relatives of leaders of various terrorist organizations operating from Pakistan.

 

[Hornbill]

Data is from this year

 

[Snak3eye5]

I mean we haven't played India in 5 years and we seem to be surviving just fine. Also happened to win the 2nd biggest world tournament in the meanwhile. Indian PP'ers would be best served to get rid of their arrogance. They happen to represent a poor third world country with more poverty than sub-Saharan Africa. India has more poor people than Pakistan has people. If India was like US or China their arrogance would have made some sense.

I mean we haven't played India in 5 years and we seem to be surviving just fine. Also happened to win the 2nd biggest world tournament in the meanwhile. Indian PP'ers would be best served to get rid of their arrogance. They happen to represent a poor third world country with more poverty than sub-Saharan Africa. India has more poor people than Pakistan has people. If India was like US or China their arrogance would have made some sense.

This whole India is poorer than Africa remark brings a big yawn to my face. Instead of coming up with this silly retort to stroke ones ego, a better question or food for thought to garner some intellectual insightful responses would have been, What did India do to get here to control cricket from being a poor cricket board to being the richest ? What could have Pakistan done in hindsight or done better ? If roles were reversed and India were say the same secular state with 285 million and Pakistan were an Islamic state with billion plus, could Pakistan have made it work and been a bigger stronger economy, with a bigger stable cricket board instead ? You may argue this, but I don’t think so. India on the other hand would most definitely be the third biggest economy after Us and China.

So, how did India become a cricket power ? Is it because India thought of the IPL first ? Forget IPL and cricket, why can’t Pakistan come up with its own Kabadi, hockey or football leagues ? Is it because they aren’t better than Indians in sports or they are allways late to the party to get something going ? Why does the world see India and Pakistan in two different lights ?

No one is refuting that India doesn't have poor people. What country doesn't ? What no one seems to fathom is that with a population of 1 billion with 50 + religions, languages, cultures, India continues to open up job creation sectors through different industries, whether space, technology, Pharmaceuticals, automobiles, film, textiles etc and its not easy in the least when you have to pacify so many different types of people that come from different backgrounds, cultures, but the Indian government makes it work etc.

Outsiders especially non indians on this forum make fun of India's space programs and Indian film industry, the IT outsourcing firms etc. And the obvious truth is that India at the end of the day has to come up with these job opportunities of selling a service, creating a job market, and keep its people happy or they will end up like another country begging India to play a game of cricket so they can earn some money.

 

[KingKhanWC]

How many Indians were involved in those attacks, As per data released by JK police and Indian army over 120 Pakistanis were killed along LOC and in Kashmir, Some of the dead were close relatives of leaders of various terrorist organizations operating from Pakistan.

I wrote India is behind the attacks not Indians were attacking themselves. You must have a patritoic blindfold on if you think India hasn't been supporting people coming from Afghanistan.

 

[Gubol123]

As always with statistics there will be exceptions and even if the figure is as half as the stated, it is horrendous. Dont worry its the same in PK. My point was that our trolling friend was making out that economically one was a total basket and the other was some sort of Nirvana. Its India's right to play who ever they want but Pakistan and Pakistan crickey Will survive without Ind help. And for me its this that irritates Indians more than anything else.

My point was to show that not all statistics can be trusted. But there is lot of poverty. I have worked for years as part of CSR teams in various organizations. The situation is nowhere ad dim as they show on media and certainly not all hunky dory as they show in Bollywood.

Regarding cricketjoshila, i don't think he was trolling. he was pointing out that PCB is doing it as they need money, which is true.. If PCB major source of income (TV Rights) can only be realized with India's tour, then they should do everything to make it happen. But now under the current political situation and trouble across LOC i don't think it was prudent on PCB part to harp on it this much. They just come across as way too needy. I think the BD tour that Pakistan called off was BD's home tour. I am sure that calling off the tour impacted BCB. But BCB didn't blink and went on with whatever they had in their control. PCB should do the same. What is in their hand (like PSL, various home tours in UAE, whatever tour they can arrange in Pak) they should try to make successful and make money. With the kind of cricket mad fans Pakistan has, it shouldn't even be that Pak makes most of its money on India's tour. PCB should be able convert SA, Aus, England home tours (even in UAE) into blockbuster ones. I would love to see a good competition at market place for BCCI. That will be very good for Indian cricket as BCCI is at its best when it is threatened.

regarding the highlighted part, i am not sure why you generalize Indians and say Indians will be rejoicing if cricket dies in Pakistan. First of all many don't even care that there is no cricket with Pakistan (or in Pakistan for that matter). India has so much cricket (and sports in general these days) that lack few matches with Pakistan hardly matters. I am sure if Pak plays five match ODI series in India, fourth or fifth match may not even draw full crowd unless it is a decider and on a weekend. Most of the Indians who hang out here on PP, come here out of their love for cricket and carry lots of respect for Pak. Sure, they may have issues with Pakistan's political stance but most are smart enough to compartmentalize and enjoy game for what it is.

 

[Gubol123]

India is a major superpower in the game of cricket which his thread is about.. Some posters might take condescending tone or take digs at PCB/Pakistan which is wrong but the fact is PCB would like to play a series against India because of the amount of money it will make them.. If BCCI was In PCB’s shoes financially maybe they would want to play a series against Pakistan too for the money however since BCCI don’t need the money they are happy with governments decision and are not trying to talk to the GOI about it...

On topic if Pakistani fans feel the way as mentioned in OP then that is fine.. Some people think sports and politics should be kept aside some think there should be total boycott till political environment becomes better.. To each their own..

Sure, in an Ideal world they can be kept aside. But in the real world where we live in that is not the case. Anyway it is funny that many Pakistan fans feel that way as their own board followed the same policy in 90s. I am not saying just because PCB followed that policy BCCI should do. In an ideal world both should't do it. But based on history PCB or Pakistan fans have no right to blame BCCI/GOI for this policy when their board/govt indulged in the same

 

[Hornbill]

I wrote India is behind the attacks not Indians were attacking themselves. You must have a patritoic blindfold on if you think India hasn't been supporting people coming from Afghanistan.

My post was about the direct involvement of Pakistanis and these kind of incidents are well covered by media. I'm sure if India were doing the same reaction from Pakistanis wouldn't be any different.

 

[English August]

I would like Pakistan to put politics aside for sport unless there is an outright war going on.

Sport should be neutural imo as it helps remove the animosity of the public for both nations even if it doesn't help the political situation.

When Iran played the USA in football it was a great occasion as both peoples got to know each other.

Keep politics and sports separate, eh? Nice.

Would you support Pakistan traveling to Israel to play Davis Cup tennis? In the past, Pak forfeited this tie, but perhaps your views have changed?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Keep politics and sports separate, eh? Nice.

Would you support Pakistan traveling to Israel to play Davis Cup tennis? In the past, Pak forfeited this tie, but perhaps your views have changed?

No because Pakistan doesnt recognise Israel but it does recognise India.

 

[English August]

As they say don't just go by what media says. That $3.1 is per person and not per household. I have a cousin who is a state govt employee and earns around 5 times that net pay per month for a household of 4. His effective take home pay per person is around $4 not much more than what you have quoted as poor person. He has an own house (1500 sqft) and two two wheeler, kids in a good school, LCD tv, fridge and all the modern amenities and lives in a city of million+ population. Money goes a long way in India.

This is not an isolated case. I have several acquaintances, far off relatives, and have known/employed plumbers, masons, drivers, etc who earn approximately around 400$ a month and lead a quite a comfortable life. Many actually own houses (though they tend to be smaller ones with around 1300sqft and in suburbs), own two wheeler and almost all modern amnesties.

how do they do it? In India if you are poor or lower middle class, govt has lots of schemes. Many have BPL (Below poverty line) cards and get grocery in at a subsidized rate (1 INR/KG rice, wheat, etc), Gas subsidy to their bank account, girl kids get school fees reimbursed, money paid to their marriage (for Muslim girls), Free TV, mixer grinder, etc. If they are smart they can leave a quite a good life with that money. They won't be middle class yet but lower middle class and no way in hell poor.

So don't trust every white reporter who yells oh my God $3.1 won't get a big mac and poor Indians are living in that amount.

Everything you've said here is true and is very well articulated.

What's also relevant to point out in the context of India being the center of cricketing universe is that this poverty point Pakistanis keep bringing out doesn't impact the story at all. In theory, you can completely ignore the 500M poor people India is supposed to have and still have a cricket economy of 800M people with reasonably good purchasing power. It would still make it the world's largest cricket economy by a huge margin.

So the poverty point, while (partially) true, is nothing but a cheap shot and an attempt at trolling.

 

[blue_champion]

Everything you've said here is true and is very well articulated.

What's also relevant to point out in the context of India being the center of cricketing universe is that this poverty point Pakistanis keep bringing out doesn't impact the story at all. In theory, you can completely ignore the 500M poor people India is supposed to have and still have a cricket economy of 800M people with reasonably good purchasing power. It would still make it the world's largest cricket economy by a huge margin.

So the poverty point, while (partially) true, is nothing but a cheap shot and an attempt at trolling.

I think most of them use poverty or toilet problem(which exist in all of Subcontinent btw including pak) as a crutch when they have to counter something.

The only Apples to apples argument I see is when you bring up nuclear weapons or maybe Cricket(on field not off field)

You bring education system, advancements in science,Economic policies,diplomacy, Arts, sports ,democracy and secular values etc etc the immediate crutch to counter that is poverty and open defecation rather then having an actual legit debate...not just the posters I have seen this even in debates on TV etc as well.....it is either Mughal
empire or the arguments mentioned above and nothing in between lol.

 

[Syed1]

This whole India is poorer than Africa remark brings a big yawn to my face. Instead of coming up with this silly retort to stroke ones ego, a better question or food for thought to garner some intellectual insightful responses would have been, What did India do to get here to control cricket from being a poor cricket board to being the richest ? What could have Pakistan done in hindsight or done better ? If roles were reversed and India were say the same secular state with 285 million and Pakistan were an Islamic state with billion plus, could Pakistan have made it work and been a bigger stronger economy, with a bigger stable cricket board instead ? You may argue this, but I don’t think so. India on the other hand would most definitely be the third biggest economy after Us and China.

So, how did India become a cricket power ? Is it because India thought of the IPL first ? Forget IPL and cricket, why can’t Pakistan come up with its own Kabadi, hockey or football leagues ? Is it because they aren’t better than Indians in sports or they are allways late to the party to get something going ? Why does the world see India and Pakistan in two different lights ?

No one is refuting that India doesn't have poor people. What country doesn't ? What no one seems to fathom is that with a population of 1 billion with 50 + religions, languages, cultures, India continues to open up job creation sectors through different industries, whether space, technology, Pharmaceuticals, automobiles, film, textiles etc and its not easy in the least when you have to pacify so many different types of people that come from different backgrounds, cultures, but the Indian government makes it work etc.

Outsiders especially non indians on this forum make fun of India's space programs and Indian film industry, the IT outsourcing firms etc. And the obvious truth is that India at the end of the day has to come up with these job opportunities of selling a service, creating a job market, and keep its people happy or they will end up like another country begging India to play a game of cricket so they can earn some money.

You will be best served to not quote me in your replies since I don't bother reading your posts specially since you posed as a Pakistani for the longest time.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

I can't see the point of bringing up Trump and how many poor people each country have..

Tax cuts!

 

[JaDed]

As King Khan said in other thread if trade between Muslims and Christians didn't stop during crusades ,then cricket is pretty small compared to the money they can make.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

There won't be any cricket for a decade at least.

 

[Wonderwoman]

I am confused by the title of this thread. Is India asking Pakistan to play with its team?

 

[Napa]

Sorry but this is now ridiculous.

If whats'her name can talk about Indians being killed etc, we can also claim indisciminate violence by the Indian side.

Why should we be the ones to hold out a friendly hand when it comes to sports?

That's a problem with wars. Once they start you lose track of who is more to blame.

Only solution is to find a way to end the war. Sports is less important than citizens dying.

 

[cricketjoshila]

True, but it wipes off the arrogance of Indians like you who think that you are some sort of superpower. Superpowers dont have 1/2 of their population on the breadline.

It will be better if you look at the condition of your own country of origin before sermonising me. I need not tell you the economic and security condition, Do i?

 

[big_gamer007]

Sure, in an Ideal world they can be kept aside. But in the real world where we live in that is not the case. Anyway it is funny that many Pakistan fans feel that way as their own board followed the same policy in 90s. I am not saying just because PCB followed that policy BCCI should do. In an ideal world both should't do it. But based on history PCB or Pakistan fans have no right to blame BCCI/GOI for this policy when their board/govt indulged in the same

Of course they don’t have a right to blame GOI/BCCI.. The only people who have a right to criticise them our Indians... The decision taken by GOI/BCCI is not entirely wrong and can be argued is correct..

Anyways we will not have a bilateral series with Pakistan for atleast 2023 So Pakistani friends here and in PCB should accept the reality and move on.. They have a good PSL going on and should work on improving it and marketing it more, with Pakistan’s cricket crazy population with better management they can easily be second richest board in the world with a strong PSL..

 

[Major]

I mean we haven't played India in 5 years and we seem to be surviving just fine. Also happened to win the 2nd biggest world tournament in the meanwhile. Indian PP'ers would be best served to get rid of their arrogance. They happen to represent a poor third world country with more poverty than sub-Saharan Africa. India has more poor people than Pakistan has people. If India was like US or China their arrogance would have made some sense.

Pakistan misses out alot by not playing India.

Alot of our sponsers and TV rights pay us less. If we were playing agaisnt India, Pakistan would had been able to bag better rights.

In the past, ten sports use to pay us alot more due to India matches.

Survival is not a good thing, growth is whats needed.

 

[Bewal Express]

It will be better if you look at the condition of your own country of origin before sermonising me. I need not tell you the economic and security condition, Do i?

It is you that keeps going on about Ind and its economic might when in reality you have a billion on the breadline. As far as the security situations goes arent you the ones with 600,000 troops in Kashmir?

 

[Romali_rotti]

Sorry but this is now ridiculous.

If whats'her name can talk about Indians being killed etc, we can also claim indisciminate violence by the Indian side.

Why should we be the ones to hold out a friendly hand when it comes to sports?

Fair comment, all I see is Pakistan wanting to play India and India keeps saying no go, due to political reasons...

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

This whole India is poorer than Africa remark brings a big yawn to my face. Instead of coming up with this silly retort to stroke ones ego, a better question or food for thought to garner some intellectual insightful responses would have been, What did India do to get here to control cricket from being a poor cricket board to being the richest ? What could have Pakistan done in hindsight or done better ? If roles were reversed and India were say the same secular state with 285 million and Pakistan were an Islamic state with billion plus, could Pakistan have made it work and been a bigger stronger economy, with a bigger stable cricket board instead ? You may argue this, but I don’t think so. India on the other hand would most definitely be the third biggest economy after Us and China.

So, how did India become a cricket power ? Is it because India thought of the IPL first ? Forget IPL and cricket, why can’t Pakistan come up with its own Kabadi, hockey or football leagues ? Is it because they aren’t better than Indians in sports or they are allways late to the party to get something going ? Why does the world see India and Pakistan in two different lights ?

No one is refuting that India doesn't have poor people. What country doesn't ? What no one seems to fathom is that with a population of 1 billion with 50 + religions, languages, cultures, India continues to open up job creation sectors through different industries, whether space, technology, Pharmaceuticals, automobiles, film, textiles etc and its not easy in the least when you have to pacify so many different types of people that come from different backgrounds, cultures, but the Indian government makes it work etc.

Outsiders especially non indians on this forum make fun of India's space programs and Indian film industry, the IT outsourcing firms etc. And the obvious truth is that India at the end of the day has to come up with these job opportunities of selling a service, creating a job market, and keep its people happy or they will end up like another country begging India to play a game of cricket so they can earn some money.

I am an outsider, and as someone living in a first world country I feel that just as you are very correct in pinpointing Pakistan's problems and ways in which they could move forward, I can do the same for India as they are obviously so far behind UK living standards, not to mention the rights of women, minorities and hygiene in general. A more useful mentality than getting annoyed would be to take the criticism and use it as a guide to how India can close the gap between third world and first world. It will benefit you not us.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

As most people above have said: PCB want to play India for money.

But let's not kid ourselves, BCCI are making their money off ICC (and other nations'). They are, bona fide, the most corrupt sports board of our times.

Politicians/Religious people/People like Sehwag etc.? They are politicizing Pak v Ind for their personal gains and free publicity.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It is you that keeps going on about Ind and its economic might when in reality you have a billion on the breadline. As far as the security situations goes arent you the ones with 600,000 troops in Kashmir?

Yes India has economic and financial might in cricket, which what the OP is about. Thats why IPL broadcast rights from 2018 to 2022 are valued higher than ICCs entire income from 2015 to 2023.

India's per capita income is far more than Pakistan, both in nominal and ppp terms.

Regarding living on $3 per day, thats 300pkr per person.So a small household of 3 will have 900pkr per day or close to 30k PKR a day. So if these Indians are in the bread line think how many Pakistanis are in the breadline.

So no 1bn people are not in the bread line if they are than god know how many Pakistanis are in that line.

Regarding security which country is facing security issues in getting teams to play a game of cricket in the country?

 

[cricketjoshila]

I am an outsider, and as someone living in a first world country I feel that just as you are very correct in pinpointing Pakistan's problems and ways in which they could move forward, I can do the same for India as they are obviously so far behind UK living standards, not to mention the rights of women, minorities and hygiene in general. A more useful mentality than getting annoyed would be to take the criticism and use it as a guide to how India can close the gap between third world and first world. It will benefit you not us.

You would be doing very well pointing Indias issues which i agree are many, but people will only take it seriously if your own country of ancestry and origin was doing better than India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I am an outsider, and as someone living in a first world country I feel that just as you are very correct in pinpointing Pakistan's problems and ways in which they could move forward, I can do the same for India as they are obviously so far behind UK living standards, not to mention the rights of women, minorities and hygiene in general. A more useful mentality than getting annoyed would be to take the criticism and use it as a guide to how India can close the gap between third world and first world. It will benefit you not us.

If you want to compare standards of British citizens of Pakistan origin, then compare with British citizens of Indian origin.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You would be doing very well pointing Indias issues which i agree are many, but people will only take it seriously if your own country of ancestry and origin was doing better than India.

While I'm honoured that my post moved you so much that you replied to it twice, you have to take it in context to the poster who I was replying to. Once we've established his country of ancestry and origin ( which seems to be a matter of debate) then we can have this discussion in a frank and transparent manner.

 

[Varun]

While I'm honoured that my post moved you so much that you replied to it twice, you have to take it in context to the poster who I was replying to. Once we've established his country of ancestry and origin ( which seems to be a matter of debate) then we can have this discussion in a frank and transparent manner.

Clearly not one to reply to the message, while always on the hunt for the poster and his background to do a bit of whataboutism as a copout. Nice.

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On subject, I think the OP has been misunderstood. I believe it is a critique of Najam Sethi and the PCB (and others) who keep on hankering for a series against India. If India are holding the political placard to refuse bilateral games against Pakistan, Pakistan are well within their rights to do the same.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Clearly not one to reply to the message, while always on the hunt for the poster and his background to do a bit of whataboutism as a copout. Nice.

On subject......
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If you wanted to stay on subject you could have just left your preceding statement out. But if you are going to butt in and discuss posters (ironically) then at least follow the chain and don't jump in halfway.

 

[Bewal Express]

Yes India has economic and financial might in cricket, which what the OP is about. Thats why IPL broadcast rights from 2018 to 2022 are valued higher than ICCs entire income from 2015 to 2023.

India's per capita income is far more than Pakistan, both in nominal and ppp terms.

Regarding living on $3 per day, thats 300pkr per person.So a small household of 3 will have 900pkr per day or close to 30k PKR a day. So if these Indians are in the bread line think how many Pakistanis are in the breadline.

So no 1bn people are not in the bread line if they are than god know how many Pakistanis are in that line.

Regarding security which country is facing security issues in getting teams to play a game of cricket in the country?

These are not my stats, just look on the internet. If you dont like them take up with them. I loved your line on the number of people in a household, so using your logic If there are 50 people in a family that is 150,000 rps a day. As far as the security situation goes we dont 600,000 troops fighting to suppress people.

 

[srh]

Sorry but this is now ridiculous.

If whats'her name can talk about Indians being killed etc, we can also claim indisciminate violence by the Indian side.

Why should we be the ones to hold out a friendly hand when it comes to sports?

This is about the mindset. Pakistan does not believe in mixing Politics and Sports but India does.

So Pakistan is right when it ask India to play as Pakistan does not believe in mixing Politics and Sports.
And India is also right when it rejects Pakistan's invitation as India believes in mixing Politics and Sports.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This is about the mindset. Pakistan does not believe in mixing Politics and Sports but India does.

So Pakistan is right when it ask India to play as Pakistan does not believe in mixing Politics and Sports.
And India is also right when it rejects Pakistan's invitation as India believes in mixing Politics and Sports.

Pakistan boycotted 1980 Moscow olympics.1990 Asia cup in India and India tours.

What mindset?

 

[cricketjoshila]

These are not my stats, just look on the internet. If you dont like them take up with them. I loved your line on the number of people in a household, so using your logic If there are 50 people in a family that is 150,000 rps a day. As far as the security situation goes we dont 600,000 troops fighting to suppress people.

Please show me which stat says 1bn Indians are in bread line.

Did i reject the $3 per man per day stat?I didnot. I just showed you how much it is in terms of a house hold.

Tell me how much is the per capita income of Pakistan?If Indians are in the bread line which line are Pakistanis in?

You have F16s bombing your own territory.Dont you?

 

[cricketjoshila]

While I'm honoured that my post moved you so much that you replied to it twice, you have to take it in context to the poster who I was replying to. Once we've established his country of ancestry and origin ( which seems to be a matter of debate) then we can have this discussion in a frank and transparent manner.

Clearly you missed out your posts where you pointed out a specific country, its hygiene or economic condition or minority treatment.

 

[Bewal Express]

Please show me which stat says 1bn Indians are in bread line.

Did i reject the $3 per man per day stat?I didnot. I just showed you how much it is in terms of a house hold.

Tell me how much is the per capita income of Pakistan?If Indians are in the bread line which line are Pakistanis in?

You have F16s bombing your own territory.Dont you?

PK isnt claiming to be a superpower. As far as the as the stats go, you like a typical Modi propogandist avoided the substance and try to hide behind semantics. And btw we dont need 600,000 troops to suppress are own citizens.

 

[cricketjoshila]

PK isnt claiming to be a superpower. As far as the as the stats go, you like a typical Modi propogandist avoided the substance and try to hide behind semantics. And btw we dont need 600,000 troops to suppress are own citizens.

As you see the OP talks about cricket, India is the financial superpower in cricket.

If you go by statements on PP, Pakistan will bury USA in Afghanistan, Take Kashmir from India and may be do Ghazwa e Hind and also Destroy Israel. Thats more than what even a super power can do you see.

Making personal attacks on me wont help your cause.

I am still waiting for the per capita income of Pakistan and the stat which says a 1bn Indians are in Breadline.Also do tell me after comparing the per capita, which line are Pakistanis standing in.

You need troops plus air support by attack helicopters and F16s.Still have trouble hosting matches.

 

[IMMY69]

India amazes me and some of the Indian Hindus astound me.
Let’s forget cricket with India until 2030 when all Pakistany’s will be able to go there without a visa.

 

[KingKhanWC]

South Korea sent a womens football team to the North and these two nations are technically still at war.

What I find most suprising is Indian posters who are passionate cricket fans are agreeing with India not wanting to play but when both teams meets hundreds of millions of Indians sit down to watch the game. Are they just being patriotic against their own desires?

 

[English August]

No because Pakistan doesnt recognise Israel but it does recognise India.

There you go. I compliment you for acknowledging your hypocritical stance. Just because Pakistan has its head buried in the sand doesn't mean Israel doesn't exist. And you're refusing to play against them even though you claim that you want to separate sports from politics.

 

[KingKhanWC]

There you go. I compliment you for acknowledging your hypocritical stance. Just because Pakistan has its head buried in the sand doesn't mean Israel doesn't exist. And you're refusing to play against them even though you claim that you want to separate sports from politics.

lol. You cannot play if you dont acknowledge them to be legitimate nation. Pakistan doesnt have the same with India, both nations trade in billions together. How you cant understand the difference is puzzling?

 

[English August]

lol. You cannot play if you dont acknowledge them to be legitimate nation. Pakistan doesnt have the same with India, both nations trade in billions together. How you cant understand the difference is puzzling?

What is puzzling (or perhaps not really given your stance on all other things) is you don't see the hypocrisy here? Israelis are real people and a real nation. Whether you like them or not doesn't really matter. If you want to keep politics out of this, why wouldn't you keep your hatred for Israel aside for a few days and go play some tennis with them? Pray tell.

 

[English August]

South Korea sent a womens football team to the North and these two nations are technically still at war.

What I find most suprising is Indian posters who are passionate cricket fans are agreeing with India not wanting to play but when both teams meets hundreds of millions of Indians sit down to watch the game. Are they just being patriotic against their own desires?

India never said it doesn't want to play Pakistan. You're making stuff up.

 

[proud_pakistani]

Yes we should not be playing cricket with them or even asking to play them. India and Pakistan are both doing the same thing on the border but Pakistan isn’t as vocal about it as India is as Pakistan wants to play cricket with India which will yield them millions of $$$.

Whether we like it or not India is a huge money making machine in cricketing circles and any team in the world would not like to lose on the income you can get from the Indian series. And Pakistan perhaps needs money the most.

 

[cr7great]

pakistan should not play with india