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Babar plays a few pretty shots and gets out, and thats fine. When umar used to do the same, people on here used to give umar so much abuse.
So why the double standards?
 
Did you forget about Umar Akmal partying during our series against Australia and then turning up the next day hungover?

The guy lacks discipline.
 
Captain caveman said:
Babar plays a few pretty shots and gets out, and thats fine. When umar used to do the same, people on here used to give umar so much abuse.
So why the double standards?
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Akmal cant play a long innings to save his lives, people want Babar to play cricket differently, there was nothing wrong with the way he plays.
 
Please actually think before posting threads like these.

Babar is a consistent batsman, his stats display this.

He looks the most out of place in our batting line up because he has the perfect technique, almost like India gave us him and we gave them Bumrah, show me any batsman from Pakistan who can do those kind of cover drives with perfect balance and actually perform on a consistent basis.

Umar Akmal was great in his first few years but regressed.

I have followed Babar's career since that U19 World Cup match vs India and knew from that day that he would be destined for greatness and I'm right so far, don't compare both right now.
 
Imam ul Haq and Babar Azam will never ever be there till the end of any high scoring run chase.
 
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Captain caveman said:
Babar is a bottler and so is umar.
Both cant chase a total
So why the double standards?
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Agree with you to an extent

Babar Azam has been getting preferential treatment for a longtime now. He was averaging 6.20 in NZ yet they never dropped him. They kept him in the Test side even when his average went below 20s. He is such a loser when the bowl is even nipping back and forth. He can't play bounce and has the knack to get squared up and edge into the slips.
 
The only 2 impact run makers are Fakhar & Hasan Ali rest just poke & prod along thieving a living waiting for there wages to cone through at the end of the week.
 
Babar should be least of our concerns right now. Hafeez and Malik are the real culprits.
 
While Babar hasnt won many matches atleast he is a consistent performer as his record shows. Umer on the other hand lacked consistency but still he was not treated ideally but he himself is also to be blamed. Babar is just 24 and will only get mature from here.

If it would have been up to me Umer Akmal would have been in WC squad over Malik.
 
Rana said:
Imam ul Haq and Babar Azam will never ever be there till the end of any high scoring run chase.
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I am no fan of imam because of his limited batting ability, but the kids a fighter.
Babar is a wonderful batsman, but he is a bottler.
I've seen it time and time again.
People said the same about umar and were quite negative towards him. So why dont those same people show their disgust with babar?
 
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Titan24 said:
While Babar hasnt won many matches atleast he is a consistent performer as his record shows. Umer on the other hand lacked consistency but still he was not treated ideally but he himself is also to be blamed. Babar is just 24 and will only get mature from here.

If it would have been up to me Umer Akmal would have been in WC squad over Malik.
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Malik was never going to be dropped.
Inzi wanted umar in the team, but mickey wanted asif ali.
 
Babar Azam is one of the best in the world. No one plays pace as well as he does.
Look how he played Cummins with the new ball and compare it to how he was played by excellent indian batsmen, Rohit and Dhawan.

Today, he should have won that match by playing a longer innings, but he will improve with time in that regard.
 
Captain caveman said:
Malik was never going to be dropped.
Inzi wanted umar in the team, but mickey wanted asif ali.
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Who would've not allowed Malik to be dropped?

Anybody else or only Inzamam.

Mickey wanted Faheem also, is he in the squad.

And by the way what performance that Umar Akmal gave in UAE when Inzamam presented opportunity on the platter. He played in al,l 6 games what was his strike rate?
 
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AAli98 said:
The only 2 impact run makers are Fakhar & Hasan Ali rest just poke & prod along thieving a living waiting for there wages to cone through at the end of the week.
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Hafeez is our best bat in this wc!
fakhar is playing like a pure hack!
Hasan ali and wahab should both concentrate on their batting as well as bowling, they are both better than asif.
 
Instead of malik and asif ali, i would have selected umar akmal and ahsan ali.
Umar played decent enough against aussies in uae. If he was here instead of malik, we would have won!
 
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Captain caveman said:
Hafeez is our best bat in this wc!
fakhar is playing like a pure hack!
Hasan ali and wahab should both concentrate on their batting as well as bowling, they are both better than asif.
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Hafeez was/is extremely lucky. Today's soft dismissal should show what a mental midget he is.
This team is so rubbish they depend too much on Fakhar who does'nt care about the situation.

Hasan Ali and Wahab are not power hitters, their role is different. HAsan Ali contributed easy runs to Aussies today.
 
Mobashir said:
Babar Azam is one of the best in the world. No one plays pace as well as he does.
Look how he played Cummins with the new ball and compare it to how he was played by excellent indian batsmen, Rohit and Dhawan.

Today, he should have won that match by playing a longer innings, but he will improve with time in that regard.
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I'm old enough to remember people saying the exact same thing you said but about umar akmal!
 
Captain caveman said:
Instead of malik and asif ali, i would have selected umar akmal and ahsan ali.
Umar played decent enough against aussies in uae. If he was here instead of malik, we would have won!
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Hahahaha

Umar Akmal average was 30 and his strike rate was around 83. His highest strike rate was 97.77 and you want him to replace with Asif Ali whose strike rate is still higher than him [115] rofl.

Why not Ali Khan who played for LAhore Whites in NAtl. T20 Cup recently he is better than both of these folks and incredible hitter.
 
Draeoftroy said:
Hafeez was/is extremely lucky. Today's soft dismissal should show what a mental midget he is.
This team is so rubbish they depend too much on Fakhar who does'nt care about the situation.

Hasan Ali and Wahab are not power hitters, their role is different. HAsan Ali contributed easy runs to Aussies today.
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You may not like hafeez, but he has been paks best batsman in this wc, fact!
Hasan ali's bowling has deteriorated but his batting is better than asif. Wahab showed he can hit a six or two.
Fakhar is just a hack now.
Shajeel is required badly, if he can still bat.
 
Captain caveman said:
I am no fan of imam because of his limited batting ability, but the kids a fighter.
Babar is a wonderful batsman, but he is a bottler.
I've seen it time and time again.
People said the same about umar and were quite negative towards him. So why dont those same people show their disgust with babar?
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Maybe because one avges 50 with the bat with multiple tons and the other doesnt
 
Captain caveman said:
Babar plays a few pretty shots and gets out, and thats fine. When umar used to do the same, people on here used to give umar so much abuse.
So why the double standards?
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babar is a lot worse then Umar animal babar has been playing for 3 years now I've never seen him play for pakistan he has always will play for himself over rated is babar azam not once has he won pakistan a match or played an innings at a crucial time most selfish player I've seen in long time today he was auditioning for the Australian big bash trust me he didn't give a crap about the pakistan team
 
This is an unfair comparison mainly because a major part of the dislike for Umar Akmal among his detractors is his discipline. For example, if it wasn't for his disciplinary issues, I would have Umar Akmal playing both ODI & T20 cricket as he is a very talented player and has a better average even now than some guys in our line-up. However, when you have a guy who fights with police, openly disputes with the coach, fails basic fitness tests that guys like Sarfaraz can clear, and throws antics when his bother isn't selected (remember the Aus tour?)... that kind of guy can stay the *** away from the team.
 
Babar bats at No 3, Umar Akmal has always batted at No 5, 6 and was designated the role of powerhitting in the final 10-15, he was never going to develop his batting that way.
 
Brilliant thread!! Finally someone trying to break the taboo!!

Babar is much smarter while Umar had a much higher ceiling imo
 
Australia is always a hard test to judge anyone by
Although akmal hard it tougher playing against Mitchell johnson and josh hazlewood
 
Hyperion66 said:
Brilliant thread!! Finally someone trying to break the taboo!!

Babar is much smarter while Umar had a much higher ceiling imo
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It's a nonsense thread.

Babar is who we wanted Umar to be. He's only 24 he'll learn coz he doesn't have the attitude which Umar had.
 
That's actually true.

The difference being that Babar averages 50+ scores hundreds consistently while U. Akmal averages 30 and scores a hundred in 5 years.

I understand your point, but there is a clear difference.
 
Umar often gets in to trouble outside Cricket that can not be overlooked. He has an attitude problem thinking himself as being undroppable. Lets not forget he's another one who is always unfit.
 
Captain caveman said:
Babar is a bottler and so is umar.
Both cant chase a total
So why the double standards?
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Also Babar doesn't have much to show for against good attacks while Umar scored a century against Bond and co on a green pitch very early in his career if I remember correctly.
 
Hyperion66 said:
Also Babar doesn't have much to show for against good attacks while Umar scored a century against Bond and co on a green pitch very early in his career if I remember correctly.
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Babar scored a century against the aussie 2017 attack. Hazelwood, starc etc.
 
Ronaldo7 said:
It's a nonsense thread.

Babar is who we wanted Umar to be. He's only 24 he'll learn coz he doesn't have the attitude which Umar had.
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Why would you want Umar to bash minnows and score prettyboy 40s against good teams?
 
Hyperion66 said:
Why would you want Umar to bash minnows and score prettyboy 40s against good teams?
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We wanted Umar to be consistent, have a good technique, and not have attitude.
Babar's far ahead of whatever Umar achieved in his career. Far ahead.
I agree that babar needs to learn how he can develop his innings but Umar didn't even make prettyboy 40s. 20 was his maximum
 
Ronaldo7 said:
Babar scored a century against the aussie 2017 attack. Hazelwood, starc etc.
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Did we win that match?

Glorifying Useless 100s in a losing cause this is now what Pakistani fans are happy with rofl.

Babar Azam has had 3 years now, Umar Akmal has had 7 years. You know how many years Asim Kamal or Fawad Alam played compared to Akmal family? One goes another Akmal takes his place. Since 2003 we are seeing this going on with Inzi at the back encouraging them. If Inzamam was not captain/cs Akmals would have never played for Pakistan, how bakwaas they were/are.
 
Babar is a better batter than Umar Akmal. His issues are different from the ones that Umar Akmal had.
 
Oh my goodness. We got a player here. Up until about a week ago this guy was Mr consistent but scored too slowly so was useless.
Since then he has started scoring at run a ball but the consistency has dipped a little.
He needs to keep working on his game bit is the least of our batting concerns.
He looks at ease against all types of bowling. I have not seen a Pak bat like that in ages
 
Babar was way better then choota Akmal after 20 games & currently amongst the best in the world & not a hack lol tbh he’s the last guy I want around...ermm not even that lol
 
Captain caveman said:
Babar plays a few pretty shots and gets out, and thats fine. When umar used to do the same, people on here used to give umar so much abuse.
So why the double standards?
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Umar Akmal has 2 centuries in 110 innings

Babar Azam has 9 centures in 65 innings

You call that doing "the same"? Are you obtuse?
 
Nice thread. Good to see that finally someone is pointing out the hypocrisy of Babar's fan boys.
 
CricFan2012 said:
Please actually think before posting threads like these.

Babar is a consistent batsman, his stats display this.

He looks the most out of place in our batting line up because he has the perfect technique, almost like India gave us him and we gave them Bumrah, show me any batsman from Pakistan who can do those kind of cover drives with perfect balance and actually perform on a consistent basis.

Umar Akmal was great in his first few years but regressed.

I have followed Babar's career since that U19 World Cup match vs India and knew from that day that he would be destined for greatness and I'm right so far, don't compare both right now.
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Please think and resd the question posed in the thread!
I am not comparing babar's and umar's career stats!
I am comparing the fact that in pressure situation, like todays chase, babar will play a few pretty shots and then get out to a lousy shot. No one says anything about him having a brainfade and throwing his wicket away. But umar use to do the same thing and everyone on here used to abuse him.
So why the double standards?
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Babar >>> Umar This was not a horrible knock By any means
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Beautiful knock while it lasted and ended with a horrible hook shot.
But the knock was useless due to it being worth so few runs.
Umar has played similar ones.
Now why the double standards?
 
Hasan123 said:
Babar is a better batter than Umar Akmal. His issues are different from the ones that Umar Akmal had.
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Nope!
Umar has more shots than babar.
Babar just plays cover drives and cant play pulls or hooks very well. He got out to a 82mph bouncer today! Umar would have hit it for 6.
But the question posed is that both throw their wickets away in high pressure situations. But babar is everyones darling and umar is a villian!
Why the double standards bro!
 
Abdullah said:
Oh my goodness. We got a player here. Up until about a week ago this guy was Mr consistent but scored too slowly so was useless.
Since then he has started scoring at run a ball but the consistency has dipped a little.
He needs to keep working on his game bit is the least of our batting concerns.
He looks at ease against all types of bowling. I have not seen a Pak bat like that in ages
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Babar is a bottler!
 
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If Umar was given a proper run at number 4 he would have been such a great batsman
 
Ronaldo7 said:
We wanted Umar to be consistent, have a good technique, and not have attitude.
Babar's far ahead of whatever Umar achieved in his career. Far ahead.
I agree that babar needs to learn how he can develop his innings but Umar didn't even make prettyboy 40s. 20 was his maximum
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Babar admits that mickey has told him to play through the innings(anchor) scoring at a sr of 85, were as umar was given the finisher role and was expected to go at a strike rate of 130. Big difference.
Umar would lose his wicket trying to score at 9 runs an over. Babar just loses his wicket in big matches when the pressure is on.
How can you blast umar and praise babar.
Whats with the double standards?
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
That's actually true.

The difference being that Babar averages 50+ scores hundreds consistently while U. Akmal averages 30 and scores a hundred in 5 years.

I understand your point, but there is a clear difference.
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Both throw their wickets away in pressure situations! No big difference!
Why the double standards?
 
How was today’s innings “bottling it”, Kid walked in under overcast conditions facing two of the best pacers in the World when team had already lost their most attacking batsmen chasing 300+. He played some great shots, played out the new ball while maintaining a healthy strike rate. He should’ve done better but by kid played with intent, was trying to take on the short ball and it got big on him. It happens, made 63 in the last game against the best team in the tourney and set a good platform for the team. Was that innings not played under pressure?
Team had lost early wicket in a World Cup game, after all.

“Bottling it” is if he comes in when the team is under pressure and scores 7(25) and then gets out or maybe we have a different definition of what bottling it means?

I’m not a fan of player comparisons but if Babar doesn’t me this team on merit then not many do from this squad. Umar has gotten plenty of chances, just was given a run of 5 ODI’s against Australia, I wish him all the best but not many get as many chances as Umar got.

As for the longer run he got in tests, Babar was already an established member of the ODI team and was rated highly, was allowed time to translate his ODI form into Tests as the captain himself has said that, according to him, Babar is the best bat in the team.
 
Babar played a crucila knock vs England just the other day. Has Akmal played a knock like that in WC's?
 
There’s no double standard..all players with Akmal gene have been given too many chances and have been epic failures. Time to invest in the other gene pool.
 
Draeoftroy said:
Agree with you to an extent

Babar Azam has been getting preferential treatment for a longtime now. He was averaging 6.20 in NZ yet they never dropped him. They kept him in the Test side even when his average went below 20s. He is such a loser when the bowl is even nipping back and forth. He can't play bounce and has the knack to get squared up and edge into the slips.
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Excellent post!
You are 100% right!
Babar only plays pretty cover drives and people on here are going loopy over it.
Babar is a bottler under pressure.
Umar had more shots than babar and could definetly play bouncers. Yes umar was a bottler to, but he used to bottle it coming at 6 and trying to score 9 runs an over. Babar bottles it trying to score at 6 runs an over, when the pressure is on!
 
Captain caveman said:
Nope!
Umar has more shots than babar.
Babar just plays cover drives and cant play pulls or hooks very well. He got out to a 82mph bouncer today! Umar would have hit it for 6.
But the question posed is that both throw their wickets away in high pressure situations. But babar is everyones darling and umar is a villian!
Why the double standards bro!
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Babar averages over 50. So more often than not he is doing his job. Umar Akmal just use to get starts and get himself out, time after time. Maybe that’s why he gets more hate.
 
coy0607 said:
Umar Akmal has 2 centuries in 110 innings

Babar Azam has 9 centures in 65 innings

You call that doing "the same"? Are you obtuse?
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Apples to oranges comparison. Babar is a top 3 batsman while UA batted at 5-6.

You cannot compare the no. of centuries scored at these 2 different positions.

By this logic Babar is even better than Dhoni because the latter only has 10 centuries in 350+ matches.
 
ak619 said:
Apples to oranges comparison. Babar is a top 3 batsman while UA batted at 5-6.

You cannot compare the no. of centuries scored at these 2 different positions.

By this logic Babar is even better than Dhoni because the latter only has 10 centuries in 350+ matches.
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Thanks for your post!
I was about to post the same thing, you saved me the hassle.
Cheers bro!
 
Captain caveman said:
Thanks for your post!
I was about to post the same thing, you saved me the hassle.
Cheers bro!
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I think people are reacting to your thread rather than introspecting.

There is no doubt that Babar is a very good batsman in a lot of ways. He is solid at the crease, plays proper cricketing shots and has good hand-eye coordination.

In fact, I think if you had made the comparison between Babar and pre-2012 Rohit Sharma, a lot of posters would have instantly agreed with you.

And I think there is a parallel to be drawn there. Both pre-2012 Rohit and Babar make/made beautiful looking 30s and 40s and then threw their wickets away.

Clearly Babar hasn't yet learnt the art of managing pressure.

Will he do that in the future? I don't know. But I hope he does because he certainly is very good to watch for any cricket lover.

But until he does, I think the criticism you have made is justified.
 
CLARIFICATION OF MY THREAD

I did not post this thread to compare babar's or umar's stats!
Both play in different positions and have different styles.

I am a fan of BOTH!
I think they both are the best odi bats we have in the country.
Imam is too slow.
Hafeez is too old(but playing well in the wc)
Fakhar is too inconsistent(mainly due to lack of selection of what to hit and what to leave).
Shajeel is banned!
Umar's detractors say he is "not intelligent".
How many of our players are?
They also say umar is a bottler and throws away his wicket, after a few good shots!
BUT SO DOES BABAR IN BIG MATCH PRESSURE GAMES!

If there are better limited overs players in pak, by all means chose them over umar. But the selection of malik and asif over umar is plain REDICULOUS!
 
captain caveman said:
clarification of my thread

i did not post this thread to compare babar's or umar's stats!
Both play in different positions and have different styles.

I am a fan of both!
I think they both are the best odi bats we have in the country.
Imam is too slow.
Hafeez is too old(but playing well in the wc)
fakhar is too inconsistent(mainly due to lack of selection of what to hit and what to leave).
Shajeel is banned!
Umar's detractors say he is "not intelligent".
How many of our players are?
They also say umar is a bottler and throws away his wicket, after a few good shots!
But so does babar in big match pressure games!

If there are better limited overs players in pak, by all means chose them over umar. But the selection of malik and asif over umar is plain rediculous!
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*ridiculous
 
ak619 said:
I think people are reacting to your thread rather than introspecting.

There is no doubt that Babar is a very good batsman in a lot of ways. He is solid at the crease, plays proper cricketing shots and has good hand-eye coordination.

In fact, I think if you had made the comparison between Babar and pre-2012 Rohit Sharma, a lot of posters would have instantly agreed with you.

And I think there is a parallel to be drawn there. Both pre-2012 Rohit and Babar make/made beautiful looking 30s and 40s and then threw their wickets away.

Clearly Babar hasn't yet learnt the art of managing pressure.

Will he do that in the future? I don't know. But I hope he does because he certainly is very good to watch for any cricket lover.

But until he does, I think the criticism you have made is justified.
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Thank you for your post.
You are one of the few people who.has understood what i was trying to say. That babar needs to manage pressure situations much better as he is our best bat.
I have to also confess, that i also posted this thread to give umar another chance in the odi team. Apart from an inconsistent fakhar and an aging hafeez, we don't have any modern odi batsman, so we can ill afford to scrap umar.

Thanks for your posts again, i did feel uptil your posts, that i was banging my head against a wall!
 
Though Babar is a serial match loser, he has done far better than Umar.

Both choke under pressure but Babar still averages 50+ which shows he has some utility. Umar has absolutely nothing going for him. Neither can he win matches that his poor average can be forgiven nor is he able to play the anchor role.
 
Theres no comparison between umar and babar

Babar is a world class odi bat who plays proper classy cricketing shots and can score runs against all attacks He avges 50 and is the main batsmen in the team already at a young age

Umar apart from the slog to mid wkt is a very limited player, whos not consistent and generally throws his wkt away avging mid 30s Hes also got disciplinary issues

Babar is what we had hoped for umar but alas it was never meant to be
 
This is ridiculous.

Because of these kind of ‘fans’, Babar isn’t scoring centuries just like he used to because of he ‘plays too slow’.

Just :facepalm:

We deserve Imran Farhats.
 
Have you bothered to compare their record before making this thread?
 
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