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I am no Misbah fan, but this has in some ways been the most successful Pakistan tour of all time.

Yes, they have lost this series, whereas in the past they won three earlier series in England and drew the last two.

But look closer. It has been a huge diplomatic coup and will see Pakistan invited more often and for longer tours. And Pakistan are viewed as positive, desirable and welcome visitors, and are now trusted and admired in a way that they have not been before.

There have been none of the earlier scandals of fixing and Ovalgate.

There has been none of the acrimony of the Imran-era complaints about Home Umpires.

The team has come in a Pandemic to a badly affected nation, and spent a month in substandard accommodation before the Test series. Their sacrifice was noted, and appreciated. (I argued against the tour, and must acknowledge that).

Pakistan have been competitive throughout, narrowly losing a Test they had almost won and showing huge character to fight to salvage a draw in the Third Test.

Azhar has been an affable and charming visiting skipper in a way in which Sarfraz and Inzamam lacked the English language skills to ever be. Everyone was happy when he scored his career-saving century. People like Azhar and genuinely wish him well.

Mushtaq Ahmed and Waqar Younis are always cherished visitors who are always welcome in England and who spent significant time on Sky TV. Misbah and Younis Khan are less often seen on English TV, but are popular visitors too.

And lastly, so is Wasim Khan, who is himself English anyway. His interviews on Sky TV presented a completely different face to the English public than has been seen in recent times. Here was an educated, sophisticated and humble man who was clearly both English and Pakistani. People like Sarfraz and Inzamam and Shahid Afridi were clearly not as at ease as Wasim Khan and Azhar Ali are in England.

(Ironically Salman Butt was also a touring skipper who "fitted in", and until the fixing debacle he was well-received in England too, but that was only 4 years after Oval-gate, and the combination of Inzamam's behaviour in 2006 and Salman and Ijaz Butt's in 2010 had made Pakistan into deeply unwelcome guests. Not any more!)

And Wasim Khan has ensured that the British cricket-watching public has gleaned an understanding of Pakistan cricket that it has for no other Asian country. The lunch break documentary series about Pakistan coming out of exile was superb, and Wasim Khan and Imran Khan and Ehsan Mani deserve enormous credit for their participation.

Pakistan has slightly underachieved on the field - they should have won the First Test and therefore would have finished with 40 World Test Championship points more than England. But compared with India, who lost their last two series in England 4-1 and 3-1, the difference in competitiveness was vast.

But like the West Indies’ legendary 1960-61 tour of Australia, this touring team which lost narrowly has actually been the most important one of all.

Sometimes even in defeat there can be victories. This is one such time, when a marginalised nation won over a Big Three member and gave itself the chance of a new status in cricket.

Wasim Khan, Misbah and Azhar Ali are not my cup of tea, but all three deserve our appreciation at this time.
 
Pakistan are brilliant in England. They have given the fans countless good memories playing here. I wish they could tour every two years be it for T20s even.

Pakistan cricket team, you are always welcome here and we are always here to support you!
 
I think it hasn't been too bad of a series for Pakistan. They came in with an inexperienced bowling attack and they almost won the series.

First Test was really close and only a freak partnership from Butler and Woakes won England the game.
 
Well look who is suddenly being positive about this tour! You might recall [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] that prior to the start of the tour, you and I had a slightly heated discussion about the merits of touring and you were totally against it. I said to you that the risks in terms of Covid-security were manageable but you told me I didn't know what I was talking about and made some pretty gloomy predictions about how badly the players would be hit by Covid. I see now you think this tour is a brilliant idea!

In terms of building up goodwill, I think it's far too early to judge the impact of this tour. One would hope that the warm words from Joe Root and the English side generally will be replicated into a reciprocal tour but that remains to be seen.

I am not sure that this will lead to longer tours/more frequent tours because those sorts of decisions are driven by money considerations and not who is the nicest teams! Pakistan draws significant revenue, but it's still far lower than what would be generated by an Indian or Australian tour.

I also think we shouldn't overstate how this tour has somehow redeemed the reputation of Pakistan. That was done when Misbah toured here not long ago where there was much respect given to his professionalism. Azhar has built on that for sure, but he hasn't suddenly redeemed a reputation in tatters!
 
I am no Misbah fan, but this has in some ways been the most successful Pakistan tour of all time.

Yes, they have lost this series, whereas in the past they won three earlier series in England and drew the last two.

But look closer. It has been a huge diplomatic coup and will see Pakistan invited more often and for longer tours. And Pakistan are viewed as positive, desirable and welcome visitors, and are now trusted and admired in a way that they have not been before.

There have been none of the earlier scandals of fixing and Ovalgate.

There has been none of the acrimony of the Imran-era complaints about Home Umpires.

The team has come in a Pandemic to a badly affected nation, and spent a month in substandard accommodation before the Test series. Their sacrifice was noted, and appreciated. (I argued against the tour, and must acknowledge that).

Pakistan have been competitive throughout, narrowly losing a Test they had almost won and showing huge character to fight to salvage a draw in the Third Test.

Azhar has been an affable and charming visiting skipper in a way in which Sarfraz and Inzamam lacked the English language skills to ever be. Everyone was happy when he scored his career-saving century. People like Azhar and genuinely wish him well.

Mushtaq Ahmed and Waqar Younis are always cherished visitors who are always welcome in England and who spent significant time on Sky TV. Misbah and Younis Khan are less often seen on English TV, but are popular visitors too.

And lastly, so is Wasim Khan, who is himself English anyway. His interviews on Sky TV presented a completely different face to the English public than has been seen in recent times. Here was an educated, sophisticated and humble man who was clearly both English and Pakistani. People like Sarfraz and Inzamam and Shahid Afridi were clearly not as at ease as Wasim Khan and Azhar Ali are in England.

(Ironically Salman Butt was also a touring skipper who "fitted in", and until the fixing debacle he was well-received in England too, but that was only 4 years after Oval-gate, and the combination of Inzamam's behaviour in 2006 and Salman and Ijaz Butt's in 2010 had made Pakistan into deeply unwelcome guests. Not any more!)

And Wasim Khan has ensured that the British cricket-watching public has gleaned an understanding of Pakistan cricket that it has for no other Asian country. The lunch break documentary series about Pakistan coming out of exile was superb, and Wasim Khan and Imran Khan and Ehsan Mani deserve enormous credit for their participation.

Pakistan has slightly underachieved on the field - they should have won the First Test and therefore would have finished with 40 World Test Championship points more than England. But compared with India, who lost their last two series in England 4-1 and 3-1, the difference in competitiveness was vast.

But like the West Indies’ legendary 1960-61 tour of Australia, this touring team which lost narrowly has actually been the most important one of all.

Sometimes even in defeat there can be victories. This is one such time, when a marginalised nation won over a Big Three member and gave itself the chance of a new status in cricket.

Wasim Khan, Misbah and Azhar Ali are not my cup of tea, but all three deserve our appreciation at this time.

Very good post highlighting the oft missed softer side of cricket and cricket based diplomacy.

The point regarding India’s performance could have been left out. Scorelines can often hide the true degree of competitiveness. And in any case, this is thread about PAK v ENG :)
 
Well look who is suddenly being positive about this tour! You might recall [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] that prior to the start of the tour, you and I had a slightly heated discussion about the merits of touring and you were totally against it. I said to you that the risks in terms of Covid-security were manageable but you told me I didn't know what I was talking about and made some pretty gloomy predictions about how badly the players would be hit by Covid. I see now you think this tour is a brilliant idea!

In terms of building up goodwill, I think it's far too early to judge the impact of this tour. One would hope that the warm words from Joe Root and the English side generally will be replicated into a reciprocal tour but that remains to be seen.

I am not sure that this will lead to longer tours/more frequent tours because those sorts of decisions are driven by money considerations and not who is the nicest teams! Pakistan draws significant revenue, but it's still far lower than what would be generated by an Indian or Australian tour.

I also think we shouldn't overstate how this tour has somehow redeemed the reputation of Pakistan. That was done when Misbah toured here not long ago where there was much respect given to his professionalism. Azhar has built on that for sure, but he hasn't suddenly redeemed a reputation in tatters!

Just want to touch on the point regarding the length of the series. I think after Australia and India it is PAK that generates most viewership, unless I am mistaken. If they are getting 5 games, I don’t see us getting less than 3. 4 or 5 will be ideal :)
 
Good post, highlighting the non cricketing aspects of a touring cricket team which are often overlooked.

No to forget these were extraordinary times in which Pakistan cricket team kept their FTP commitment and all the players remained in bio secure environment for almost 2 months or so. Pakistan didnt get any warm up matches against county teams which was a usual practice for any touring team and wasnt starting the series with the preparation of 3 test matches like England. Those things definitely help to adjust to conditions and coming back to cricket especially after lock down and not much professional cricket but, despite that we were able to see some top sessions of test cricket overall.
 
Well look who is suddenly being positive about this tour! You might recall [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] that prior to the start of the tour, you and I had a slightly heated discussion about the merits of touring and you were totally against it. I said to you that the risks in terms of Covid-security were manageable but you told me I didn't know what I was talking about and made some pretty gloomy predictions about how badly the players would be hit by Covid. I see now you think this tour is a brilliant idea!
Read my OP - I did acknowledge having argued against the tour!

Cricket is all about diplomacy - because of the Big Three structure and the bilateral scheduling of tours.

Lastly, let me just make a comment about Misbah and Azhar.

Misbah is generally admired outside Asia, but he hasn't spent the time with the media that Azhar Ali has and he is admired rather than liked. And I get slaughtered when I say this, but his appearance matches certain western stereotypes which are regrettable.

Azhar is much better known, and he is liked. Genuinely liked. He has played on the English county circuit and his eldest son lives in England, and Azhar is as much welcome in England as Waqar, Wasim and Mushtaq.

I don't think he should be the skipper, in fact I think like Nasser Hussain he should have retired at the top yesterday.

But Azhar is a very popular guy in England. Not for his performances, but his modest and open personality.
 
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Rizwan is the only one who gave a good account of himself on this tour. Everyone else played below par
 
I couldn't give a flying fig about all these niceties. Bottom line is we have lost which I'm angry about due to a mediocre squad picked by these buffoons and led by the failing Azhar.

Like a poster above mentioned above, there's no need for the jibe against India. Despite their issues in England, they are a vastly superior side to us as they have invested in the right training, balance of squad and largely pick players based on merit. If anything, we should be sat admiring them instead.

Doesn't matter if Waqar, Mushy etc are liked/disliked by the English. What is of the utmost importance is getting a side out on to the field which is fit for purpose. This isn't happening due to various reasons and needs to be rectified as soon as possible.
 
Why is it a victory to be “liked” by the British? Wonder if the British care whether South Asians like them or not.
 
Like I said, you deserve honorary Pakistan citizenship over the likes of Darren Sammy.
 
Why is it a victory to be “liked” by the British? Wonder if the British care whether South Asians like them or not.
Because:

1. The BJP/BCCI boycott makes Pakistan cricket short of money and scheduling.
2. The PCB is therefore extra-reliant upon the ECB for scheduling, money and political support at the ICC.
3. Pakistani cricketers love touring England and love getting English county contracts due to their own relative poverty.
4. The cricket world can afford to do without India if ever a year-round IPL comes. And close ties to the ECB are Pakistan’s best weapon for the future.
 
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I would much rather we we won matches. I think that matters more.

Both matter.

You can't win matches if they never get scheduled.

Pakistan has played 2 Tests in New Zealand in 8 years.

Pakistan has played 5 Tests in Australia in 10 years.

But they have played 9 Tests across 3 series in England in 4 years (won 3 drawn 2 lost 4) and that is what is keeping the PCB financially above water.
 
I would much rather we we won matches. I think that matters more.

The OP is correct If pakistan want proper cricket back in pakistan and counter the threat of boycott from india then the pakistan team of this era needs as many friends in high up places as possible England and EcB is one of them

In that regard this tour was a great success and a big tick in the ECB book for them
 
I couldn't give a flying fig about all these niceties. Bottom line is we have lost which I'm angry about due to a mediocre squad picked by these buffoons and led by the failing Azhar.

Like a poster above mentioned above, there's no need for the jibe against India. Despite their issues in England, they are a vastly superior side to us as they have invested in the right training, balance of squad and largely pick players based on merit. If anything, we should be sat admiring them instead.

Doesn't matter if Waqar, Mushy etc are liked/disliked by the English. What is of the utmost importance is getting a side out on to the field which is fit for purpose. This isn't happening due to various reasons and needs to be rectified as soon as possible.

Well said. Celebrating moral victories is for minnows.
 
I am sorry none of this matters in real matches. I would much rather win than worry about who likes team Pakistan.
 
The series had been a delight to watch, with none of the acrimony of old.

It’s just a shame that unseasonal rain ruined two matches. Maybe not the best idea to have two tests on the coast.

Thanks Pakistan and come back soon!
 
But compared with India, who lost their last two series in England 4-1 and 3-1, the difference in competitiveness was vast.

If only the English weather helped us draw a couple of games like it did this series. :(

We too would have claimed moral victories over 1-1 draws and 2-1 defeats even though we were most certainly losing the other games. Sigh!
 
Credit where it's due,pakistan has done well to lose only by a margin of 1-0 although rain played it's part.
A 1-0 loss is respectable although it came against a depleted English side which didn't have Ben stokes(the best cricketer in the world).
Tbf you need to be a very good team to win against even the depleted big 3 sides.:yk
 
You have gotten it completely wrong.

People love two types of teams
1. Winners (not necessarily invincible)
2. Team with Flair

Loved teams have at least one of the two. Really loved teams have both. But when a team starts to become invincible, people stop loving them, instead start despising them.

The 90s Pakistan team had both, and were thus really liked. They could win matches and had flair.

This team does not. Neither do they win often (they performed well, but didn't win) nor do they have the flair for 2Ws, Akhtar, Inzi, Saeed Anwar, Afridi etc.

If you dont have players with flair, then winning is necessary.

So, no. This team is not going to be remembered, loved or reminisced.
 
Greatest touring nation to England ever, period.

Take a bow Pakistan.

If only our batsmen had the same level of temperament.
 
Don't agree OP.

Results is what matters and Pakistan failed to deliver - once again.

They also chased the game in 2 of 3 tests. They didn't have the body language of winners.

Yes, intangible positives abound - maybe future tours, maybe liked by the English, maybe gentlemen, maybe money for PCB - but those are not grounds for success for a sports team. The currency is winning.

I actually think the tour had some positives for Pakistan - arriving totally undercooked on an away tour and being competitive straight away without an international/county game, facing the hardest of conditions a team could face batting, facing up to a well prepared home team with 3 tests already under its belt, competing in first test till the final session, playing with 9 players and 2 passengers, dealing reasonably with unfamiliar and frequent rain delays amongst the positives.

However, the series defeat is what shows up in the results column - and that is what counts.

I will rate it 4 out of 10 - and 2 out of those 4 points depend on what decisions PCB takes after this tour.
 
I think someone in the match thread was saying how a 1-0 face saving (somewhat) defeat will do much more harm to Pak cricket than a comprehensive 2-0 defeat.

Now I know why. This has been a below par tour for Pakistan in so many ways with very average outings for majority of it's players. But posters here are still taking hypothetic victories and "successes". This is exactly what loudmouth duo (Kohli and Shastri) did after the defeats in SAF and England saying "we were competitive" and how the final scoreline isn't indicative of their calibre bla bla bla...... And they just kept persisting with failures like Vijay, Rahul, Rahane etc ...
 
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The fans who watch and follow cricket earn nothing if PAK keeps playing outdated cricket against top teams, PAK might be getting frequent invites from one team like england that might generate revenue but for fans who want to watch top quality cricket being played by PAK earn nothing

Pak Cricket still looks to be stuck in the time loop since 2000 of following outdated methods, PAK have failed to produce global stars like Wasim Waqar Akhtar Afridi they did in 90s
 
If only the English weather helped us draw a couple of games like it did this series. :(

We too would have claimed moral victories over 1-1 draws and 2-1 defeats even though we were most certainly losing the other games. Sigh!

Well rain did help India win in Eng in 2007(1st game was drawn due to rain with India on verge of defeat).

It's not the first time that rain has had an impact on the result so no point moaning about the rain.

Given the circumstances...with Eng playing at home and having already played against WI while Pakistan were rusty after a long gap, I think Pakistan has had a decent tour.

England are certainly the better team at present but Pakistan managed to compete pretty well.

If not for a meltdown in Manchester the results could have been alot different.
But having said that, Pakistan has to sort out their team, the likes of Shafiq need to go.
 
Thread is about Pakistan's tour of England - keep it to that and dont bring India in this.
 
Pakistan players congratulating Crawley was Nasser Hussain’s moment of the series

• “I have been really impressed with the fast bowlers, the young fast bowlers. One is 20 and the other is 17. Remember, the two ages together and they are still younger than James Anderson,” says Michael Holding

• “They should have won the first Test. They are such an exciting team to watch,” says Shane Warne

• “The highpoint would have been a hundred by Azhar Ali, a brilliant 141 that showed his character and resilience in difficult circumstances,” says Michael Atherton

• “When it came to batting, Babar Azam looked super classy, as ever, and Azhar Ali showed tremendous character,” says Isa Guha


Southampton, 26 August 2020:

Some of the most respected and credible voices in cricket have thrown their weight behind the Pakistan men’s cricket team despite their 1-0 defeat in the ICC World Test Championship series against England, which concluded in Southampton on Tuesday.

Summing up the series for the PCB digital, Nasser Hussain, Shane Warne, Michael Holding, Michael Atherton and Isa Guha recalled their favourite moments, spoke about the quality of cricket played by Pakistan in the unprecedented environment, players that impressed them and the future that lays ahead for the side.

Naseer Hussain, who captained England to series win over Pakistan in 2000, said: “It has been great that the Pakistan team have come over. Can you imagine having to make that decision to come over to England, which was full of coronavirus? They have played pretty well.

“They may have been one batsman short, but they have got a good young bowling attack.

“The best moment of the series for me was when the Pakistan players went up to Zak Crawley to congratulate him on his double hundred. All the legends on the balcony stood up and congratulated him and even Wasim Akram in the commentary box gave him a little clap.”

The 22-year-old Crawley scored a career-best 267 to help England recover from 127 for four to 583 for eight declared. Azhar Ali scored 141 but couldn’t save his side from follow-on. After being dismissed for 273, Pakistan were 187 for four when the rain-hit third Test ended on the final day.

“The series has been played in good spirits and it is great to have Pakistan.

“They have always been a great team: one minute up, next minute down. But they are very watchable.”

Michael Holding, who was known as the ‘whispering death’ during his distinguished career, remarked: “Well, Pakistan coming up to England this year looked pretty good at times.

“I thought they should have won the first Test match. They made a couple of mistakes in the field, but I have been really impressed with the fast bowlers, the young fast bowlers. One is 20 (Shaheen Shah Afridi) and the other is 17 (Naseem Shah).

“Remember the two ages together and they are still younger than James Anderson.

“So, give them some time, they certainly have some talent. They will develop and they (the team) will have a good pair of fast bowlers for the future.”

Shane Warne, who played 15 Tests against Pakistan including three in 1994 in Pakistan, said: “First of all it is fantastic to see Pakistan over here in England. They should have won the first Test.

“They are such an exciting team to watch. They are well captained by Azhar Ali and it was lovely to see the spinners, especially, Yasir Shah, doing well and the young fast bowlers, the 17-year-old (Naseem Shah) and the 20-year-old (Shaheen Shah Afridi).

“I think it is a very exciting time for Pakistan cricket and they are a very good side.”

Michael Atherton, who scored 125 in the 2000 Karachi Test, said: “First of all, we are all grateful to Pakistan for coming here. It’s been very difficult for both the West Indies and Pakistan players to spend a lot of time in the bio-secure bubble. They have played competitive Test match cricket throughout.

“They (Pakistan) are not going to go away with a series win, but I think the cricket has been very competitive throughout.

“The highpoint would have been a hundred by Azhar Ali, a brilliant 141 that showed his character and resilience in difficult circumstances and they clearly have got some good young fast bowlers which should see Pakistan going well in the future.”

Isa Guha, who played eight Tests, 83 ODIs and 22 T20Is for England and also won the ICC Women’s World Cup 2009, said: “Pakistan showed a lot of character. It would have been disappointing in that first Test match when they probably felt they were in a winning position, but I think (Chris) Woakes and (Jos) Buttler played beautifully.

“The way rain and bad light affected that second game, I was really impressed by the bowlers: Shaheen Shah Afridi outstanding, Mohammad Abbas outstanding and it was so good to see the young Naseem Shah, he will keep learning and he has got some amazing people around him to keep learning from as well. Hopefully, he enjoyed his time over here.

“Yasir Shah, well he is a lovely bubbly, feisty character and we love to see him play.

“And, when it came to batting, Babar Azam looked super classy, as ever, and Azhar Ali showed tremendous character in the final Test match with a Test match on the line and the chance to get championship points and some pressure off his shoulders.

“I thought he (Mohammad Rizwan) played beautifully. He was simply outstanding, I know it ended up being a drawn second Test, but he was superb in that game.”
 
Both matter.

You can't win matches if they never get scheduled.

Pakistan has played 2 Tests in New Zealand in 8 years.

Pakistan has played 5 Tests in Australia in 10 years.

But they have played 9 Tests across 3 series in England in 4 years (won 3 drawn 2 lost 4) and that is what is keeping the PCB financially above water.

How does Pak touring Eng make money for PCB? My understanding is that the touring team gets zilch. The hosting team bears all the costs and the revenue.

So the the ECB tours to UAE would be the ones that made $$$ for PCB. Unless I am completely wrong.
 
Well rain did help India win in Eng in 2007(1st game was drawn due to rain with India on verge of defeat).

OP specifically mentioned 3-1 (2014) and 4-1 (2018)...... Anyways ...


Yes. I agree. In hindsight, rain did help India win that series. But was that undeserving ? Absolutely not. We absolutely dominated the next two games and proved that we were a better team than England and rightfully won the series.

OP should have just acknowledged that and moved on. But as usual decided to take potshots at India just after his team escaped a 2-0 defeat (one by an innings margin) due to bad weather. I mean "vastly more competitive" ? Really ?
 
You can trust Junaids to find a silver-lining even if Pakistan loses a 3 match series 4-0 and each match with more than a thousand runs.

He will then cook up a narrative to excite the vulnerable and deluded fans who will take the bait and run with it.

Let’s get a few things clear - this series, as expected, once again reminded of where Pakistan stands in the game today, and it is not a pretty standing.

If it wasn’t for rain, this series had 3-0 England written all over it.

From a cricketing perspective, the only saving grace was Rizwan. He was the only player who enhanced his reputation. Even Babar performed well below expectations.

Moreover, our laughably overrated bowling attack was brutally exposed. The comically overhyped Naseem proved that he is miles away from being a quality Test bowler and wouldn’t get anywhere near the squad of a top side.

A lot of was written about how he was going to blow England away and end up as the leading wicket-taker, but all we saw was a poorly calibrated bowling machine with no intelligence.

People will make excuses and look for punching bags to deflect the blame, but none of them expected him to return with such embarrassing figures.

Azhar looked like a complete dummy captain and the coaching staff didn’t cover themselves in glory either.

Now let’s focus on the “we did England a favor” narrative that is being forced down our throats.

Let’s get something clear - Pakistan did nothing for cricket, Pakistan did nothing for ECB. The only thing they did was keep their interests in mind.

There is obviously nothing wrong with it, but there is no point in selling the dummy that our intention was to help cricket and ECB.

ECB is the only member of the big 3 that still gives a toss about Pakistan cricket.

BCCI doesn’t want to play us, and CA, because of our spectacular performances in Australia over the last two decades, have reduced us from a 3 match main event to a 2 match warmup to the main event.

Meanwhile, ECB have played 9 Tests with Pakistan in the last 4 years. Pakistan cannot imagine playing 9 Tests in India or Australia in a 4 year period.

As a result, Pakistan is in no position and cannot afford to upset the only power board that is still interested in playing cricket with them.

If Pakistan is marginalized by the ECB the same way it has been by BCCI and CA, Pakistan will be left playing cricket with teams of its standing in world cricket only - the likes of Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, West Indies etc., with the odd series against superior sides like South Africa and New Zealand.

Moreover, Pakistan did not put its hand up and volunteered to tour England with other teams refusing because of the pandemic.

Pakistan were scheduled to tour England this summer and it was absolutely necessary for them to respect the schedule to maintain their relationship with ECB and coerce them into touring Pakistan in the near future.

So this wasn’t about favors and sacrifices; this was about doing a cost-benefit analysis and realizing that PCB stands to lose a lot if they refuse to tour England.

As far as the Sky team thanking Pakistan and seeing them off from Heathrow with bouquets, we all know that the Sky team - in particular Nasser Hussain, talk nonsense when it comes to Pakistan cricket, so they cannot be taken seriously.

And if ECB genuinely thinks that PCB toured to help them instead of looking after own interests, then they are the biggest fools.
 
Completley agree with the OP. I really enjoyed the cricket on this tour. I was pretty depressed after the first test as we should have won that but a lack of experience got us. However this experience will really help our players. Just think of the way they have developed. Shadab inmho is now a genuine allrounder for us. Shaheen is only going to get better and better. Naseem will never forget this tour and he can also only get better. That delivery to get rid of Root was fantastic. Yasir finnally looks like he's getting more revs on his deliveries. I also noticed the drift he was getting. He's starting to look better. Abbas also was so dangerous in this series. Just looked like he would get a wicket every ball. Pity he was up against some really good players of seam bowling.

Moving on to the batters. Azhar, my man always comes through. What a fighter. Name me a player who has scored like him all across the world over the years from pakistan. Not many out there. His cuptaany though left a bit to be desired. he needs to be a bit more nasty and take risks. I think he will get better but I believe we may be seeing his last few years in the game. he will be missed badly.
Rizwan. Well he surprised me. I thought he wouldnt amount to much in this tour even though i knew he had such talent. I think we can safely say he is by far our number one keeper. His keeping was amazing and those three innings were briliant.
Babar didnt have the series I hope he would. Just wish he had knuckled down a bit more. But the best is yet to come from him.
THe openers were ok, they just needed to click together. iw ant to see these two throughout for us as I can see a few big partnerships coming against other teams.
My man fawad looked ok but just didnt really get going, i hope we keep him in the squad.
Shafiq..well im not going to say anything..he was rubbish. I had such high hopes for this guy..
Shadab was great..

overall I would say a fun test tour where we should have won the first match and the media really enjoyed the team. its always great seeing doc and reports about Pakistan so that we can show the fans the passion we have for the team and the country.

I felt Joe root was a nice guy and overall the england team seemed to get on well with the pakistani team. i guess it helps when they all know each other relatively well. It also helps when you have people like Mushy , Azhar mehmood and wasim akram around who have been such county stalwarts.

Sad we couldnt get four test matches or five but I really hope we see england in Lahore and Pindi etc.
 
Rizwan is the only one who gave a good account of himself on this tour. Everyone else played below par

I think Babars innings in the 2nd test was very positive and although it wasnt a great score, it showed that with the talent we have a tough nugget.
 
We lost.

Our bowling attack was run ragged by a newb and a failed Test batsman.

Not a good tour, sorry.
 
Quite amazing how 6 back-to-back Tests were able to be staged in these extraordinary circumstances — yes 2 were rainy draws, but the other 4 were good games, and the first Tests of both series in particular will be long remembered as tight run chase wins and absolute classics.

England will go down as the winners of both of the series in the record books, but the real winner this summer was Cricket itself.

England must now tour both West Indies and Pakistan in the next 1-2 years to continue the excellent current working relationships.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is the beauty of Test Cricket. One weak session lost us the series. A good series overall in Covid times. England should definitely do a return tour. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvPAK</a></p>— Shoaib Akhtar (@shoaib100mph) <a href="https://twitter.com/shoaib100mph/status/1298325705403621376?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 25, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Before the tour started I was expecting at least 2 Pakistani players to pull a 'Jofra Archer' and the subsequent controversy. But I'm glad that Pakistani players respected quarantine and displayed a professional behaviour.

These are tough times and as a fan thanks to PCB/ECB for cricket.

England were a superior team. Experience mattered and they won 1st test. Azhar choked and lost a test game which should have been won 99 out of 100 times.


Hopefully our players earned some valuable experience and in future we will be able to close games from dominant positions.
 
Credit where it's due,pakistan has done well to lose only by a margin of 1-0 although rain played it's part.
A 1-0 loss is respectable although it came against a depleted English side which didn't have Ben stokes(the best cricketer in the world).
Tbf you need to be a very good team to win against even the depleted big 3 sides.:yk

Stokes did play first test, scored a 0 and a 9. There is no doubt about him being an impactful player but I am yet to see him doing the weather magic to turn around the rain to a sunny day. :smith
 
Pakistan used to get 3 match series in Australia, England and NZ consistently upto 1999-2000. what happened post that.. Australia only gives 2 tests. England is the only country where i see Pakistan play more tests. So irrespective of current tour PCB and ECB relations have always been good.
 
What successful? Both the teams are out of the run for a place in Test Championship finals. Tbf, it turned out to be an unsuccessful series for both- England because of rain and Pakistan because they disqualified England from Test Championship without beating them once.
 
Rizwan was the only positive on this tour. We played rubbish in the last 2 tests. We should have lost the 3rd one. It was rain and a good innings from Azhar which saved us from a defeat.
 
Rizwan was the only positive on this tour. We played rubbish in the last 2 tests. We should have lost the 3rd one. It was rain and a good innings from Azhar which saved us from a defeat.

Was babar a negative
 
Pakistan exceeded my expectations on this tour.
I thought we would lose 3-0 and be crushed in each Test by totally inept batting.
We weren’t, so I am happy.
Pakistan are an average team, so a realistic, and credible approach, is to have low expectations and then be pleasantly surprised when something vaguely good happens.
 
We should have won the 1st test by at least 50 runs, we had the slight edge in the 2nd in the conditions and score of 230 was excellent. In the 3rd we were outplayed and would have lost. Overall it was OK.
 
Lol from Cornered Tigers to Nice kittens evolution of Pak test team.
 
I am no Misbah fan, but this has in some ways been the most successful Pakistan tour of all time.

Yes, they have lost this series, whereas in the past they won three earlier series in England and drew the last two.

But look closer. It has been a huge diplomatic coup and will see Pakistan invited more often and for longer tours. And Pakistan are viewed as positive, desirable and welcome visitors, and are now trusted and admired in a way that they have not been before.

There have been none of the earlier scandals of fixing and Ovalgate.

There has been none of the acrimony of the Imran-era complaints about Home Umpires.

The team has come in a Pandemic to a badly affected nation, and spent a month in substandard accommodation before the Test series. Their sacrifice was noted, and appreciated. (I argued against the tour, and must acknowledge that).

Pakistan have been competitive throughout, narrowly losing a Test they had almost won and showing huge character to fight to salvage a draw in the Third Test.

Azhar has been an affable and charming visiting skipper in a way in which Sarfraz and Inzamam lacked the English language skills to ever be. Everyone was happy when he scored his career-saving century. People like Azhar and genuinely wish him well.

Mushtaq Ahmed and Waqar Younis are always cherished visitors who are always welcome in England and who spent significant time on Sky TV. Misbah and Younis Khan are less often seen on English TV, but are popular visitors too.

And lastly, so is Wasim Khan, who is himself English anyway. His interviews on Sky TV presented a completely different face to the English public than has been seen in recent times. Here was an educated, sophisticated and humble man who was clearly both English and Pakistani. People like Sarfraz and Inzamam and Shahid Afridi were clearly not as at ease as Wasim Khan and Azhar Ali are in England.

(Ironically Salman Butt was also a touring skipper who "fitted in", and until the fixing debacle he was well-received in England too, but that was only 4 years after Oval-gate, and the combination of Inzamam's behaviour in 2006 and Salman and Ijaz Butt's in 2010 had made Pakistan into deeply unwelcome guests. Not any more!)

And Wasim Khan has ensured that the British cricket-watching public has gleaned an understanding of Pakistan cricket that it has for no other Asian country. The lunch break documentary series about Pakistan coming out of exile was superb, and Wasim Khan and Imran Khan and Ehsan Mani deserve enormous credit for their participation.

Pakistan has slightly underachieved on the field - they should have won the First Test and therefore would have finished with 40 World Test Championship points more than England. But compared with India, who lost their last two series in England 4-1 and 3-1, the difference in competitiveness was vast.

But like the West Indies’ legendary 1960-61 tour of Australia, this touring team which lost narrowly has actually been the most important one of all.

Sometimes even in defeat there can be victories. This is one such time, when a marginalised nation won over a Big Three member and gave itself the chance of a new status in cricket.

Wasim Khan, Misbah and Azhar Ali are not my cup of tea, but all three deserve our appreciation at this time.

It is a deep set loser mentality which can even think of a series defeat as "successful" just because there were no fixing scandals and the skipper speaks better English than Sarfraz and Inzamam (what a horrible colonial mentality!).

Australian cricketers make their big bucks in the IPL, but never for a nanosecond would they think of success as being able to speak Hindi and anything other than winning games. And that's the way we Indians like them.
 
Yes diplomatic relations improved and England owe us one.

But it had more disappointments on the cricketing front. Especially the following:
- Babar Azam not scoring big
- Pak pace bowlers being average

Also the reasons we lost 1-0 instead of winning 0-1.
 
Was babar a negative

I would consider him a disappointment. I expected him to be head and shoulders our best batter and get a couple of centuries. He wasn't head and shoulders our best player and didn't get a century.

Have to start questioning why he can't score big 100s as he has the ability. Can't keep on using the excuse he is a young player.
 
I would consider him a disappointment. I expected him to be head and shoulders our best batter and get a couple of centuries. He wasn't head and shoulders our best player and didn't get a century.

Have to start questioning why he can't score big 100s as he has the ability. Can't keep on using the excuse he is a young player.

No one got a century only buttler and crawley got centuries.i was abit disappointed he didnt get a 100 but I wouldnt say it was a negative it was an ok series
 
No one got a century only buttler and crawley got centuries.i was abit disappointed he didnt get a 100 but I wouldnt say it was a negative it was an ok series

Azhar Ali also got a century.

Babar was doing well in the first test. A top class batter would have gotten a 100 from that position.
 
Azhar Ali also got a century.

Babar was doing well in the first test. A top class batter would have gotten a 100 from that position.

Y3s did sorry.he defo did better than root who is supposly england best player
 
It was a decent series for Pakistan . The first test needed a freak partnership for England to win . 8-10 Pakistan would win from that position , but just like the Ben Stokes innings against Australia last year , these things happen .

They were in a positive position in the second test having the hosts 120-4 before rain interrupted and did well to get a draw in the final test after being reduced to 29-4.

At times the bowling lacked the penetration to take wickets and the batting lacked on several occasions especially the second innings of the first test .

Some people going on here like we lost 3-0!
 
Successful in what sense..
Have we found any young batsman in this tour..
Has any player showed qualities of match winner
Most unsuccessful movement of the series is Azhar's hundred which confirmed his place in team for 3-4 years
 
It was a decent series for Pakistan . The first test needed a freak partnership for England to win . 8-10 Pakistan would win from that position , but just like the Ben Stokes innings against Australia last year , these things happen .

They were in a positive position in the second test having the hosts 120-4 before rain interrupted and did well to get a draw in the final test after being reduced to 29-4.

At times the bowling lacked the penetration to take wickets and the batting lacked on several occasions especially the second innings of the first test .

Some people going on here like we lost 3-0!

Yeah I agree. It would be an over-exaggeration to call this tour good for Pakistan (so far), but also one to call this tour bad (so far).
 
So this is the annual series loss “blessings in disguise” thread... in disguise.
 
Can I just remind everyone of the context?

We currently have this weird system in which:

1. The Big Three allocate to themselves the hosting rights for all ICC events. Always.
2. There is a half-decent World Test Championship, but it involves playing 7 other teams home or away over a 2 year cycle.
3. The Big Three have made it obvious that they really want a 5 Team World Test Championship playing a home and away 4 year cycle. But India wants Pakistan to be in the Second Division so that they don't have to host or visit them.

Pakistan's future is secure if it gets into the Top Division of 5 Test teams. Because England will clearly play a major 4 or 5 match series at home each year as part of that World Test Championship, as well as a minor 2 match series against a minnow.

The current World Test Championship table reads:

1. India 360 points
2. Australia 296 points
3. England 292 points
4. New Zealand 180 points
5. Pakistan 166 points (if they win the postponed home Bangladesh match it will be 246 points)
6. Sri Lanka 80 points
7. West Indies 40 points
9. South Africa 24 points
10. Bangladesh 0 points

After this tour, I can imagine the ECB favouring the following 5 year model:

Year 1: Australia 5 Tests, West Indies 2 Tests
Year 2: New Zealand 3 Tests, South Africa 3 Tests
Year 3: Pakistan 4 Tests, Sri Lanka 2 Tests
Year 4: India 5 Tests, Bangladesh 2 Tests

I cannot emphasise how important it is for Pakistan to get into that top division!
 
I am no Misbah fan, but this has in some ways been the most successful Pakistan tour of all time.

Yes, they have lost this series, whereas in the past they won three earlier series in England and drew the last two.

But look closer. It has been a huge diplomatic coup and will see Pakistan invited more often and for longer tours. And Pakistan are viewed as positive, desirable and welcome visitors, and are now trusted and admired in a way that they have not been before.

There have been none of the earlier scandals of fixing and Ovalgate.

There has been none of the acrimony of the Imran-era complaints about Home Umpires.

The team has come in a Pandemic to a badly affected nation, and spent a month in substandard accommodation before the Test series. Their sacrifice was noted, and appreciated. (I argued against the tour, and must acknowledge that).

Pakistan have been competitive throughout, narrowly losing a Test they had almost won and showing huge character to fight to salvage a draw in the Third Test.

Azhar has been an affable and charming visiting skipper in a way in which Sarfraz and Inzamam lacked the English language skills to ever be. Everyone was happy when he scored his career-saving century. People like Azhar and genuinely wish him well.

Mushtaq Ahmed and Waqar Younis are always cherished visitors who are always welcome in England and who spent significant time on Sky TV. Misbah and Younis Khan are less often seen on English TV, but are popular visitors too.

And lastly, so is Wasim Khan, who is himself English anyway. His interviews on Sky TV presented a completely different face to the English public than has been seen in recent times. Here was an educated, sophisticated and humble man who was clearly both English and Pakistani. People like Sarfraz and Inzamam and Shahid Afridi were clearly not as at ease as Wasim Khan and Azhar Ali are in England.

(Ironically Salman Butt was also a touring skipper who "fitted in", and until the fixing debacle he was well-received in England too, but that was only 4 years after Oval-gate, and the combination of Inzamam's behaviour in 2006 and Salman and Ijaz Butt's in 2010 had made Pakistan into deeply unwelcome guests. Not any more!)

And Wasim Khan has ensured that the British cricket-watching public has gleaned an understanding of Pakistan cricket that it has for no other Asian country. The lunch break documentary series about Pakistan coming out of exile was superb, and Wasim Khan and Imran Khan and Ehsan Mani deserve enormous credit for their participation.

Pakistan has slightly underachieved on the field - they should have won the First Test and therefore would have finished with 40 World Test Championship points more than England. But compared with India, who lost their last two series in England 4-1 and 3-1, the difference in competitiveness was vast.

But like the West Indies’ legendary 1960-61 tour of Australia, this touring team which lost narrowly has actually been the most important one of all.

Sometimes even in defeat there can be victories. This is one such time, when a marginalised nation won over a Big Three member and gave itself the chance of a new status in cricket.

Wasim Khan, Misbah and Azhar Ali are not my cup of tea, but all three deserve our appreciation at this time.

Fair enough, but by that standards werent the tours in 2016 and 2018 which were also incident-free equally if not more successful? Especially 2016 which saw Pakistan rise briefly to no.1 in the rankings?
 
Fair enough, but by that standards werent the tours in 2016 and 2018 which were also incident-free equally if not more successful? Especially 2016 which saw Pakistan rise briefly to no.1 in the rankings?

2016 and 2018 were incident-free, but that just represented a return to "normal".

This went far beyond "normal" - Pakistan were appreciated for their generosity in touring during a pandemic, they had a backroom staff full of "Englishmen" like Waqar and Mushtaq, and during a period with zero other daytime sport on TV the lunchtime documentaries about Pakistan cricket restored Pakistan to the status it used to have - the Asian cousins of England.

India, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh have never had that niche in England. In England you find people like myself, Atherton, Lloyd and Vaughan who freely admit that we support Pakistan as our second team behind our own country.

I have never, ever heard an English person say that about any other country.

People respect Misbah, but you only have to look at him to realise that unlike Azhar or Waqar (or even Shane Warne) he is never going to be viewed as an honorary Englishman. Misbah is proud of his identity, and fair play to him for that, but he has no interest in integrating in England. Nor did Sarfraz. Nor did Inzamam.

Whereas Azhar has sent his son to England to study, and everything about Azhar in England makes him popular and well-liked, rather than just respected like Misbah.

Cricket diplomacy matters. Especially when you are not in the Big Three!
 
Can I just remind everyone of the context?

We currently have this weird system in which:

1. The Big Three allocate to themselves the hosting rights for all ICC events. Always.
2. There is a half-decent World Test Championship, but it involves playing 7 other teams home or away over a 2 year cycle.
3. The Big Three have made it obvious that they really want a 5 Team World Test Championship playing a home and away 4 year cycle. But India wants Pakistan to be in the Second Division so that they don't have to host or visit them.

Pakistan's future is secure if it gets into the Top Division of 5 Test teams. Because England will clearly play a major 4 or 5 match series at home each year as part of that World Test Championship, as well as a minor 2 match series against a minnow.

The current World Test Championship table reads:

1. India 360 points
2. Australia 296 points
3. England 292 points
4. New Zealand 180 points
5. Pakistan 166 points (if they win the postponed home Bangladesh match it will be 246 points)
6. Sri Lanka 80 points
7. West Indies 40 points
9. South Africa 24 points
10. Bangladesh 0 points

After this tour, I can imagine the ECB favouring the following 5 year model:

Year 1: Australia 5 Tests, West Indies 2 Tests
Year 2: New Zealand 3 Tests, South Africa 3 Tests
Year 3: Pakistan 4 Tests, Sri Lanka 2 Tests
Year 4: India 5 Tests, Bangladesh 2 Tests

I cannot emphasise how important it is for Pakistan to get into that top division!

The question here is, will PCB be willing to host 4 tests in return? If recent history is anything to go by, the PCB want to get away with hosting as little tests as possible. No more than 3 tests, preferably 2 and some cases 1 test.
 
Can I just remind everyone of the context?

We currently have this weird system in which:

1. The Big Three allocate to themselves the hosting rights for all ICC events. Always.
2. There is a half-decent World Test Championship, but it involves playing 7 other teams home or away over a 2 year cycle.
3. The Big Three have made it obvious that they really want a 5 Team World Test Championship playing a home and away 4 year cycle. But India wants Pakistan to be in the Second Division so that they don't have to host or visit them.

Pakistan's future is secure if it gets into the Top Division of 5 Test teams. Because England will clearly play a major 4 or 5 match series at home each year as part of that World Test Championship, as well as a minor 2 match series against a minnow.

The current World Test Championship table reads:

1. India 360 points
2. Australia 296 points
3. England 292 points
4. New Zealand 180 points
5. Pakistan 166 points (if they win the postponed home Bangladesh match it will be 246 points)
6. Sri Lanka 80 points
7. West Indies 40 points
9. South Africa 24 points
10. Bangladesh 0 points

After this tour, I can imagine the ECB favouring the following 5 year model:

Year 1: Australia 5 Tests, West Indies 2 Tests
Year 2: New Zealand 3 Tests, South Africa 3 Tests
Year 3: Pakistan 4 Tests, Sri Lanka 2 Tests
Year 4: India 5 Tests, Bangladesh 2 Tests

I cannot emphasise how important it is for Pakistan to get into that top division!

Had to swallow the bait, couldn’t resist - you are very good at this.

Leaving out all other “discussions”, is there any reason (apart from the tal*nt of PAK cricket which still is keeping Mickey Arthur salivating for a coaching role with PCT) why ECB should be planning to host WIN for 2 Tests & PAK for four? I mean there is a sizeable WIN origin migrant in UK who still follow the brand passionately and their team is also good, more than on field than fantasy scenarios. In fact, SRL is the last team to win a series there ......

But yes, it’s extremely important for PAK to be among top six in ranking, at least for PP’s sake - otherwise if ICC does draw a line for two divisions in Test world, lots of lousy mouth in PP will be silenced.
 
Credit where it's due,pakistan has done well to lose only by a margin of 1-0 although rain played it's part.
A 1-0 loss is respectable although it came against a depleted English side which didn't have Ben stokes(the best cricketer in the world).
Tbf you need to be a very good team to win against even the depleted big 3 sides.:yk

Crawley more than made up for Stokes and put England in winning position this match, and saved batting to completely collapse in second match. So it was not depleted. As for Stokes bowling goes England had 5 bowlers already, enough for their need.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A huge thank you to <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRealPCB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheRealPCB</a> team and management for their efforts in coming to England and putting on another great test series, played in a great spirit. A massive boost for everyone &#55357;&#56399;&#55357;&#56399;&#55357;&#56911;&#55356;&#57339;</p>— Ashley Giles (@Gilo) <a href="https://twitter.com/Gilo/status/1298916675597807616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Mohammad Hafeez proving that he still has 2-3 years of top level cricket left in him today. Another huge positive for Pakistan on this tour.
 
Mohammad Hafeez proving that he still has 2-3 years of top level cricket left in him today. Another huge positive for Pakistan on this tour.

If this is positive then even bigger positive was Ali scoring a ton to prove that he is good for the next 2-3 years as well.
 
If this is positive then even bigger positive was Ali scoring a ton to prove that he is good for the next 2-3 years as well.

Positive thinking has made all the difference on this tour
 
Dil ko behlane ke liye yeh khiyaal acha hai.

I want Pakistan to become a top team again. We are not minnows. We need to get our act right.
 
The best success this tour showed is that we got no bowlers, no batsmen, no coach or captain. We have Babar Azam.
 
The best success this tour showed is that we got no bowlers, no batsmen, no coach or captain. We have Babar Azam.

You have (In Tests) Babar Azam and Mohammad Rizwan who are absolute world-beaters.

You have Naseem Shah, Shaheen Shah Afridi and Shadab Khan who in reality are 19, 20 and 21 and who each need a tiny amount of competent coaching to themselves be absolute top class international cricketers.

Five world class talents, 2 of whom are the finished article.

You just need six steady, average, dependable players, mainly aged 21-30, to support those 5 huge talents.

And coaches more competent than Waqar and Misbah. More qualified too!
 
Pakistan and England is the toughest friendly cricketing rivalry.
Pakistan and Sri Lanka is the friendliest cricketing rivarly.
Usually these series produce some great gentlemanly cricket with no scuffles or quarrels.
But we need to start winning.
I still think our squad selection was pretty good, it's still probably the best we have in our circuit (give or take 3-4 players), fitting them in and xi while making it balanced and getting the best out of them is an altogether a different thing for which i feel we need a different management preferebly led by Dean Jones. Misbah is doing fine as a selector.
 
Pakistan and England is the toughest friendly cricketing rivalry.
Pakistan and Sri Lanka is the friendliest cricketing rivarly.
Usually these series produce some great gentlemanly cricket with no scuffles or quarrels.
But we need to start winning.
I still think our squad selection was pretty good, it's still probably the best we have in our circuit (give or take 3-4 players), fitting them in and xi while making it balanced and getting the best out of them is an altogether a different thing for which i feel we need a different management preferebly led by Dean Jones. Misbah is doing fine as a selector.

Look at the top run-scorers in the QEA:

1. Imran Butt, aged 25 - EXCLUDED
4. Sami Aslam, aged 25 - EXCLUDED
8. Fawad Alam, aged 34 - SELECTED
12. Haider Ali, aged 20 - EXCLUDED
15. Azhar Ali, aged 35 - SELECTED

Why is it good selection to have a Test batting order aged:

30
32
35
26
34
34

.......when 2 guys aged 25 scored more runs than any of the people whom Misbah actually selected.
 
You have (In Tests) Babar Azam and Mohammad Rizwan who are absolute world-beaters.

You have Naseem Shah, Shaheen Shah Afridi and Shadab Khan who in reality are 19, 20 and 21 and who each need a tiny amount of competent coaching to themselves be absolute top class international cricketers.

Five world class talents, 2 of whom are the finished article.

You just need six steady, average, dependable players, mainly aged 21-30, to support those 5 huge talents.

And coaches more competent than Waqar and Misbah. More qualified too!

Mohammad Rizwan an absolute world-beater? On what basis?

I agree that Naseem, Shaheen, and Shadab are supremely tailunted. Together these 3 made the life of English batsmen very tough.
 
Regardless of results, one must appreciate the quality of cricket that has been at display during this tussle. Cricket is the ultimate winner here and I am quite frankly delighted as a fan of the game first.
 
Again - we won hearts.

Babar gets 1500 runs, Rizwan gets accolades for keeping, Hafeez and Malik get an outing, while Morgan, Bairstow and Malan concentrate on winning.
 
If we are searching for positives from this tour might as well list them all
- No fixing/tampering allegations
- No coach/player fights
- No player/player fights
- no coach/coach fights
- Team bonding by watching Ertugrul
- Fawad fans can finally stop complaining
- YK didn't threaten to knife anyone
- Wasim mostly got all players' names correct on Comms
- Sarfaraz didn't complain about carrying drinks
- Sohail Khan and Imran Khan got to see English summer final time
 
To be honest, rain came in the way or two sure shot wins for Pakistan on this tour. It's not all bad as the blank scoreline suggests.
 
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