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Was going through Zaheer Abbas's numbers, and you have to admire that strike rate at which he was playing in the 70s and 80s, but one thing I never understood is that why his matches played were very few in numbers.

Was he a late bloomer?

Also, was not it possible for him to play the 1987 world cup as he would have been 40 by then?
 
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Was going through Zaheer Abbas's numbers, and you have to admire that strike rate at which he was playing in the 70s and 80s, but one thing I never understood is that why his matches played were very few in numbers.

Was he a late bloomer?

Also, was not it possible for him to play the 1987 world cup as he would have been 40 by then?
No clue, wasn't alive back then but I have seen some footage(albeit very poor footage) of zaheer playing.

What i can say about zaheer is that as a player he would function in any era. He was a gun player of spin and a very good player of seam.

Probably the best player in English conditons of his era. However he would have immensely struggled in Australia in this era and possibly SA.

But this dude was next level when it came to playing seam, Swing, pace and spin. Only short pitched deliveries troubled him.

Zaheer is really good. He's basically a mixture of Yousaf's technique combined with the intent and aggression Inzimam ul Haq.

Dude had an extreme passion and hunger for runs. He was overshadowed by viv in his era but tbh so was everyone else.
 
Whats more interesting is that he made his debut with Imran Khan in ODI cricket. He was i think 27 though.

I checked his record further and it seemed like he played in every series after his debut till his retirement. So it seems like he was give a debut at a very late age.
 
Zaheer Abbas was very weak against bouncers. Got badly exposed against West Indian pace attack and against Denis Lilee. That was why he did not last long

In the 70s & 80s - without helmet & chest gaurd - if u could not play bouncers , ur career wud not last long
 
Yes, a guy who played 78 tests, spanning 16 years, ranks 11th on the list of most test caps for Pakistan, and scored 108 FC centuries had a "short career."

I guess people who were born yesterday and gain all their knowledge from ESPNCricinfo profile pages don't understand that ODI cricket is a reactively recent phenomenon. Zaheer retired before the ODI boom even started. Also, analyzing someone's career (especially from that era) on the basis of their ODI stats is just stupid and ignorant.
 
Zaheer Abbas was very weak against bouncers. Got badly exposed against West Indian pace attack and against Denis Lilee. That was why he did not last long

In the 70s & 80s - without helmet & chest gaurd - if u could not play bouncers , ur career wud not last long
But he did play through the 70s and 80s. Cause he wasnt skipping matches as i did a tally on imran and him and the numbers match. And his scoring rate was high
 
Yes, a guy who played 78 tests, spanning 16 years, ranks 11th on the list of most test caps for Pakistan, and scored 108 FC centuries had a "short career."

I guess people who were born yesterday and gain all their knowledge from ESPNCricinfo profile pages don't understand that ODI cricket is a reactively recent phenomenon. Zaheer retired before the ODI boom even started. Also, analyzing someone's career (especially from that era) on the basis of their ODI stats is just stupid and ignorant.
I dont know about zaheer abbas, thats why i made a thread and asked why he had a short career?

You seem to be ticked off for some really weird reason. This is a discussion forum and the reason for starting this thread is to learn from others why his career was quite short.

I havent done any analysis on zaheer, i only asked a question. Offcourse when i talk about career, it is given im referring to international career and not domestic.

Again, you are not making sense by taking offence when i made a thread to learn about a player
 
I dont know about zaheer abbas, thats why i made a thread and asked why he had a short career?

You seem to be ticked off for some really weird reason. This is a discussion forum and the reason for starting this thread is to learn from others why his career was quite short.

I havent done any analysis on zaheer, i only asked a question. Offcourse when i talk about career, it is given im referring to international career and not domestic.

Again, you are not making sense by taking offence when i made a thread to learn about a player
I don't think he had a short career. Even when he was out of the team, he was playing alot of first-class cricket. This is back when county cricket basically used to be that time's IPL. All the best players in the world played county cricket. And Zaheer played 90+ FC matches for Gloucestershire. IMO his real peak was the 1980s, and it was a short peak because he retired in 1985. And I think he has a legitimate claim to being Pakistan's cricketer of the 1980s, along with Imran. He was also a remarkably elegant batsman and a very wristy player. And for that era, he was regarded as a very aggressive batsman. Someone like Gavaskar, who played alongside him alot, was a big admirer of Zaheer. He had his struggles on fast, bouncy tracks and his record away from home is by no means perfect. But I don't think anyone can dispute his position as a bonafide Pakistan cricket legend.

It's a shame his career ended before the start of ODI cricket's boom period, because like Viv he could have been one of the pioneers/trail-blazers of that ODI cricket boom.

Also, his record of 108 first-class centuries, which earned him the nickname 'Asian Bradman', is one of the most remarkable records that still stands to this day, and has not been crossed by any Asian batsman, including Tendulkar and Gavaskar. It's a record that alot of people don't know about, but in my opinion, should be a great source of pride to any Pakistan cricket fan.
 
I don't think he had a short career. Even when he was out of the team, he was playing alot of first-class cricket. This is back when county cricket basically used to be that time's IPL. All the best players in the world played county cricket. And Zaheer played 90+ FC matches for Gloucestershire. IMO his real peak was the 1980s, and it was a short peak because he retired in 1985. And I think he has a legitimate claim to being Pakistan's cricketer of the 1980s, along with Imran. He was also a remarkably elegant batsman and a very wristy player. And for that era, he was regarded as a very aggressive batsman. Someone like Gavaskar, who played alongside him alot, was a big admirer of Zaheer. He had his struggles on fast, bouncy tracks and his record away from home is by no means perfect. But I don't think anyone can dispute his position as a bonafide Pakistan cricket legend.

It's a shame his career ended before the start of ODI cricket's boom period, because like Viv he could have been one of the pioneers/trail-blazers of that ODI cricket boom.

Also, his record of 108 first-class centuries, which earned him the nickname 'Asian Bradman', is one of the most remarkable records that still stands to this day, and has not been crossed by any Asian batsman, including Tendulkar and Gavaskar. It's a record that alot of people don't know about, but in my opinion, should be a great source of pride to any Pakistan cricket fan.
EDIT: I'm not sure if he was given the 'Asian Bradman' nickname because of his 100+ FC centuries or the fact that it was something the commentators just started saying back then.
 
It's not so much a Zaheer thing as a Pakistan thing. Pakistan didn't play much cricket in the 70s. They played 46 Tests which, excluding South Africa, was the fewest after New Zealand (41).

Well before my time but think there were four main reasons:

A) The deteriorating security situation in both West and East Pakistan from 1968 onwards. There was a student movement against Ayub in the West, and obviously the Bengali independence movement in the East which culminated in the 1971 war.

If you read Wisden's recap, England's tour of Pakistan in 1969 was abandoned as massive riots broke out at the Tests. Pakistan didn't play a single international in 1970, three Tests in England in 1971, and two Tests in Australia late in 1972. There was a Commonwealth XI tour of Pakistan a month before war broke out. It included a match in Dhaka, and riots meant the players had to run for their lives.

B) Pakistan cricket was still establishing itself and wasn't the draw it later became in the 80s and 90s.

C) The Board likely lacked the financial resources to stage more cricket. The country was reeling after 1971 and cricket probably wasn't top of mind.

D) As often the case, no cricket with India takes a big chunk out of a Pakistani Test career. There were no Indo-Pak Tests from 1962-1977.

Thus unfortunately Pakistan lost some of Zaheer's peak years.
 
I don't think he had a short career. Even when he was out of the team, he was playing alot of first-class cricket. This is back when county cricket basically used to be that time's IPL. All the best players in the world played county cricket. And Zaheer played 90+ FC matches for Gloucestershire. IMO his real peak was the 1980s, and it was a short peak because he retired in 1985. And I think he has a legitimate claim to being Pakistan's cricketer of the 1980s, along with Imran. He was also a remarkably elegant batsman and a very wristy player. And for that era, he was regarded as a very aggressive batsman. Someone like Gavaskar, who played alongside him alot, was a big admirer of Zaheer. He had his struggles on fast, bouncy tracks and his record away from home is by no means perfect. But I don't think anyone can dispute his position as a bonafide Pakistan cricket legend.

It's a shame his career ended before the start of ODI cricket's boom period, because like Viv he could have been one of the pioneers/trail-blazers of that ODI cricket boom.

Also, his record of 108 first-class centuries, which earned him the nickname 'Asian Bradman', is one of the most remarkable records that still stands to this day, and has not been crossed by any Asian batsman, including Tendulkar and Gavaskar. It's a record that alot of people don't know about, but in my opinion, should be a great source of pride to any Pakistan cricket fan.
Whats the record for highest 100s in first class? Does he own that record??
 
Adding to above - how can I forget the Kerry Packer drama of the late 70s ?

In a more stable environment, Zaheer would surely have played 100 Tests.
 
Whats the record for highest 100s in first class? Does he own that record??
The record is 199, held by Jack Hobbs.

On the all-time list he ranks 17th. There are numerous other players who have scored more, mostly English. But Zaheer is the only Asian batsman to have scored 100+ FC centuries.
 
It's not so much a Zaheer thing as a Pakistan thing. Pakistan didn't play much cricket in the 70s. They played 46 Tests which, excluding South Africa, was the fewest after New Zealand (41).

Well before my time but think there were four main reasons:

A) The deteriorating security situation in both West and East Pakistan from 1968 onwards. There was a student movement against Ayub in the West, and obviously the Bengali independence movement in the East which culminated in the 1971 war.

If you read Wisden's recap, England's tour of Pakistan in 1969 was abandoned as massive riots broke out at the Tests. Pakistan didn't play a single international in 1970, three Tests in England in 1971, and two Tests in Australia late in 1972. There was a Commonwealth XI tour of Pakistan a month before war broke out. It included a match in Dhaka, and riots meant the players had to run for their lives.

B) Pakistan cricket was still establishing itself and wasn't the draw it later became in the 80s and 90s.

C) The Board likely lacked the financial resources to stage more cricket. The country was reeling after 1971 and cricket probably wasn't top of mind.

D) As often the case, no cricket with India takes a big chunk out of a Pakistani Test career. There were no Indo-Pak Tests from 1962-1977.

Thus unfortunately Pakistan lost some of Zaheer's peak years.
I also think that the 1960s were a truly disastrous decade for Pakistan as a cricket side, with the low-point being the captaincy of Javed Burki. I think that era, along with everything you mentioned, particularly the political factors greatly affected the Pakistan cricket team and the interest and fanfare around it. I think the turning point was the captaincy of Mushtaq Mohammad towards the end of the 1970s and in particular the tour of Australia in 1977, which saw the emergence of players like Imran and Javed.
 
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I also think that the 1960s were a truly disastrous decade for Pakistan as a cricket side, with the low-point being the captaincy of Javed Burki. I think that era, along with everything you mentioned, particularly the political factors greatly affected the Pakistan cricket team and the interest and fanfare around it. I think the turning point was the captaincy of Mushtaq Mohammad towards the end of the 1970s and in particular the tour of Australia in 1977, which saw the emergence of players like Imran and Javed.
We still had our best ever opener in 60s in Hanif Mohammad, Saeed Ahmad and Mushtaq Mohammad in 60s.
 
We still had our best ever opener in 60s in Hanif Mohammad, Saeed Ahmad and Mushtaq Mohammad in 60s.
Hanif was pretty much the only world-class batsman in that Pakistan side. Mushtaq was in and out of the team and didn't establish himself as a key player until the 70s. The 60s were a disastrous decade for Pakistan cricket especially in terms of results. Pakistan played 30 test matches, winning 2, losing 8 and drawing 20. It was an era marked by constant instability and change if captains. Pakistan very much struggled to transition in the aftermath of Kardar's captaincy.

Saeed Ahmad had an incredible start to his career. Perhaps one of the most incredible starts that any test cricketer has ever had, but he faded away just as quickly. He had started regressing by the early 60s and was out of the side not long after that.
 
I also think that the 1960s were a truly disastrous decade for Pakistan as a cricket side, with the low-point being the captaincy of Javed Burki. I think that era, along with everything you mentioned, particularly the political factors greatly affected the Pakistan cricket team and the interest and fanfare around it. I think the turning point was the captaincy of Mushtaq Mohammad towards the end of the 1970s and in particular the tour of Australia in 1977, which saw the emergence of players like Imran and Javed.
Indeed, the conventional story is of the 1960s being an awful decade for Pakistan cricket. For Pakistan, no decade has seen a worse win-loss record in Tests as the 1960s. They won just two Tests as pointed out here. But I think there is also a ‘revisionist’ note to be added.

That Pakistan cricket succeeded in the 1950s, despite a difficult inheritance, owed much to the bowling of Fazal Mahmood - Pakistan’s greatest match-winner in the 1950s. He played his last Test in 1962. There was no one to replace him that could operate at the same level. The success also owed much to the leadership of A.H. Kardar. He played his last match in 1958.

Bereft of its two most influential players, the scanty organisational structure it inherited and the chronic shortage of funds caught up with Pakistan cricket in the 1960s. We should never forget that Pakistan cricket began its life with no Test match grounds, only two turf pitches and no first class cricket competition. The two most advanced cricket centres in the Pakistan areas, when the partitioner's axe was wielded in 1947, were Lahore and Karachi. But in Karachi, pre-partition, the Hindus and Parsees dominated the cricket scene and in Lahore, Hindus and Sikhs were responsible for much of the organisational structure. From 1957/8 to 1967/8 Hockey and Athletics received more in government grants. Lack of financial security, meant that for a period of time, Khalid Ibadulla and Mushtaq Muhammad opted to play county cricket instead of playing for Pakistan.

But here I would add a ‘revisionist’ note: beneath the surface some important developments were taking place that would lay foundations for a more successful era. In the 1960s, Asif Iqbal, Wasim Bari, Majid Khan and Mushtaq Mohammad emerged. Players began to play county cricket and this experience undoubtedly improved their game with longer-term consequences for the Pakistan team.

Then there was a greater geographic base: teams from Hyderabad, Sargodha, Multan, Khairpur, Peshawar and Quetta began playing first class cricket in the 1960s.

Perhaps even more significantly, the diffusion of cheap transistor radios, also helped to popularise the game. It was in the 1960s that the availability of cheap radios facilitated an increase in listenership, particularly in rural areas.

All of this had an impact on the eventual changes in the ‘mix’ of the team as they moved beyond an affluent base. One of the reasons Pakistan cricket had relative success in the 1950s, despite the trauma of partition and chronic shortage of funding, was a competitive college system (shared by British tradition), particularly in Lahore and to some extent in Karachi. According to some college cricket began to decline in the 1960s. Majid Khan, for example, believes that in an effort to increase student intake, more buildings and classrooms were built thereby reducing playing fields. For the more privileged, cricket was also perhaps seen as a distraction from studies and secure middle-class employment.

The slow democratisation of the game and decline of college cricket, led - in the long-run - to a profound shift in the make-up of the Pakistan cricket team, shifting the balance towards those that came from less affluent backgrounds, who were not steeped in British traditions and were far less respectful of traditional authority. Some of the roots of this can be traced to the 1960s, which despite being a dreadful decade for on-field results, witnessed significant developments that would help to fashion a very different Pakistan cricket team.
 
Don’t diss Zaheer Abbas, he was a wonderful batsman to watch - very elegant and classy looking, though Miandad was more effective despite his ugly stance.

Zaheer was nimble on his feet and also had the ability to play spin very late. He feasted on Indian spinners in Pakistan and hit many centuries including a double. He also played swing well - played it late and did not commit to a shot. At one point I hoped Kohli would seek out Zaheer and get his advice on how to best play in England but he didn’t even consult Gavaskar, leave alone Zaheer.
Pace and bounce were not his strong suit, that was indeed a kink in his armor, but you can find deficiencies in every batsman in the world.

When Imran became the captain (I think it was after Asif Iqbal couldn’t deliver the goods plus he was very close to retirement), he was not a unanimous choice. It was a choice between him and Zaheer. Imran was a strong personality and soon became a dictator with complete authority in the team. Zaheer had strong captaincy aspirations but it was a rivalry between Imran and Zaheer on the leadership front, and Imran was very well aware of that. Imran won that race and Zaheer only became captain for a year+ because Imran got injured (he had a severe shin injury). When Imran came back, there was a power struggle and he took over the captaincy again from Zaheer. He then sat Zaheer out many times as part of “strategic decision” and “team dynamics” reasons. Such was the discontent in Zaheer that he opted out of playing his farewell Test which used to be a huge deal during those times for sending out national legends. Zaheer also wanted to play ODIs but Imran did not want that either and asked the selectors to inform Zaheer of their decision to move on from him.
It was sad because I did enjoy watching Zaheer bat (hated it when he pummeled India but I was also a cricket fan and appreciated class when I saw it).
 
Don’t diss Zaheer Abbas, he was a wonderful batsman to watch - very elegant and classy looking, though Miandad was more effective despite his ugly stance.

Zaheer was nimble on his feet and also had the ability to play spin very late. He feasted on Indian spinners in Pakistan and hit many centuries including a double. He also played swing well - played it late and did not commit to a shot. At one point I hoped Kohli would seek out Zaheer and get his advice on how to best play in England but he didn’t even consult Gavaskar, leave alone Zaheer.
Pace and bounce were not his strong suit, that was indeed a kink in his armor, but you can find deficiencies in every batsman in the world.

When Imran became the captain (I think it was after Asif Iqbal couldn’t deliver the goods plus he was very close to retirement), he was not a unanimous choice. It was a choice between him and Zaheer. Imran was a strong personality and soon became a dictator with complete authority in the team. Zaheer had strong captaincy aspirations but it was a rivalry between Imran and Zaheer on the leadership front, and Imran was very well aware of that. Imran won that race and Zaheer only became captain for a year+ because Imran got injured (he had a severe shin injury). When Imran came back, there was a power struggle and he took over the captaincy again from Zaheer. He then sat Zaheer out many times as part of “strategic decision” and “team dynamics” reasons. Such was the discontent in Zaheer that he opted out of playing his farewell Test which used to be a huge deal during those times for sending out national legends. Zaheer also wanted to play ODIs but Imran did not want that either and asked the selectors to inform Zaheer of their decision to move on from him.
It was sad because I did enjoy watching Zaheer bat (hated it when he pummeled India but I was also a cricket fan and appreciated class when I saw it).
Love this post and the one by @KB. Really informative stuff by you both.

I never knew about college cricket being a big deal and imrans rivalry with Zaheer
 
Hanif was pretty much the only world-class batsman in that Pakistan side. Mushtaq was in and out of the team and didn't establish himself as a key player until the 70s. The 60s were a disastrous decade for Pakistan cricket especially in terms of results. Pakistan played 30 test matches, winning 2, losing 8 and drawing 20. It was an era marked by constant instability and change if captains. Pakistan very much struggled to transition in the aftermath of Kardar's captaincy.

Saeed Ahmad had an incredible start to his career. Perhaps one of the most incredible starts that any test cricketer has ever had, but he faded away just as quickly. He had started regressing by the early 60s and was out of the side not long after that.
You mention saeed ahmad, one such cricketer that also played very less was Taslim Arif, a keeper
 
Hanif was pretty much the only world-class batsman in that Pakistan side. Mushtaq was in and out of the team and didn't establish himself as a key player until the 70s. The 60s were a disastrous decade for Pakistan cricket especially in terms of results. Pakistan played 30 test matches, winning 2, losing 8 and drawing 20. It was an era marked by constant instability and change if captains. Pakistan very much struggled to transition in the aftermath of Kardar's captaincy.

Saeed Ahmad had an incredible start to his career. Perhaps one of the most incredible starts that any test cricketer has ever had, but he faded away just as quickly. He had started regressing by the early 60s and was out of the side not long after that.
What I meant to say was we just had these 3 world class players in our side in 60s. Intikhab, rated highly by Pakistanis wasn't really world class IMO. After Fazal Mehmood, it took a decade for us to find good pacers in Sarfraz and IK. Even Immy wasn't that good for the early 70s.
 
Zaheer bullied Indian team into oblivion.

Zaheer Abbas was a home track bully discarding his excellent record in England. His record in India is not good, avgs 28 in Tests which is surprising because he played spin well. It is also not good vs Windies and struggled vs Lillee, which testifies his obvious weakness vs short ball and bouncers.

The thread questions regarding his short career. So, the comparison was made probably for ODIs. It is similar to Shreyas Iyer, in the sense that both are excellent players of spin bowling but struggled vs bouncers. Iyer has played two ODI ICC tournaments and he was excellent in both- among top run scorers in both.

Don’t recall Abbas winning anything big in ODI but comparisons are down to their batting style, weakness and preferred format.
 
Zaheer Abbas was a home track bully discarding his excellent record in England. His record in India is not good, avgs 28 in Tests which is surprising because he played spin well. It is also not good vs Windies and struggled vs Lillee, which testifies his obvious weakness vs short ball and bouncers.

The thread questions regarding his short career. So, the comparison was made probably for ODIs. It is similar to Shreyas Iyer, in the sense that both are excellent players of spin bowling but struggled vs bouncers. Iyer has played two ODI ICC tournaments and he was excellent in both- among top run scorers in both.

Don’t recall Abbas winning anything big in ODI but comparisons are down to their batting style, weakness and preferred format.
Well he dominated county circuit. Was good enough there. Wouldn't have achieved as much success if he was a walking duck against pace.
 
Don’t diss Zaheer Abbas, he was a wonderful batsman to watch - very elegant and classy looking, though Miandad was more effective despite his ugly stance.

Zaheer was nimble on his feet and also had the ability to play spin very late. He feasted on Indian spinners in Pakistan and hit many centuries including a double. He also played swing well - played it late and did not commit to a shot. At one point I hoped Kohli would seek out Zaheer and get his advice on how to best play in England but he didn’t even consult Gavaskar, leave alone Zaheer.
Pace and bounce were not his strong suit, that was indeed a kink in his armor, but you can find deficiencies in every batsman in the world.

When Imran became the captain (I think it was after Asif Iqbal couldn’t deliver the goods plus he was very close to retirement), he was not a unanimous choice. It was a choice between him and Zaheer. Imran was a strong personality and soon became a dictator with complete authority in the team. Zaheer had strong captaincy aspirations but it was a rivalry between Imran and Zaheer on the leadership front, and Imran was very well aware of that. Imran won that race and Zaheer only became captain for a year+ because Imran got injured (he had a severe shin injury). When Imran came back, there was a power struggle and he took over the captaincy again from Zaheer. He then sat Zaheer out many times as part of “strategic decision” and “team dynamics” reasons. Such was the discontent in Zaheer that he opted out of playing his farewell Test which used to be a huge deal during those times for sending out national legends. Zaheer also wanted to play ODIs but Imran did not want that either and asked the selectors to inform Zaheer of their decision to move on from him.
It was sad because I did enjoy watching Zaheer bat (hated it when he pummeled India but I was also a cricket fan and appreciated class when I saw it).
It was in 1977 or early 78, there was series between India and Pakistan. I heard the name Zaheer first time along with Javed. Both of them troubled Indian team, specially Zaheer played against our spinners Bedi, Chandra with utmost ease. I think he played in India after that series (in 80's) and some how didn't show the same class again. But he is a thorough gentleman and a classy batsman.
 
Indeed, the conventional story is of the 1960s being an awful decade for Pakistan cricket. For Pakistan, no decade has seen a worse win-loss record in Tests as the 1960s. They won just two Tests as pointed out here. But I think there is also a ‘revisionist’ note to be added.

That Pakistan cricket succeeded in the 1950s, despite a difficult inheritance, owed much to the bowling of Fazal Mahmood - Pakistan’s greatest match-winner in the 1950s. He played his last Test in 1962. There was no one to replace him that could operate at the same level. The success also owed much to the leadership of A.H. Kardar. He played his last match in 1958.

Bereft of its two most influential players, the scanty organisational structure it inherited and the chronic shortage of funds caught up with Pakistan cricket in the 1960s. We should never forget that Pakistan cricket began its life with no Test match grounds, only two turf pitches and no first class cricket competition. The two most advanced cricket centres in the Pakistan areas, when the partitioner's axe was wielded in 1947, were Lahore and Karachi. But in Karachi, pre-partition, the Hindus and Parsees dominated the cricket scene and in Lahore, Hindus and Sikhs were responsible for much of the organisational structure. From 1957/8 to 1967/8 Hockey and Athletics received more in government grants. Lack of financial security, meant that for a period of time, Khalid Ibadulla and Mushtaq Muhammad opted to play county cricket instead of playing for Pakistan.

But here I would add a ‘revisionist’ note: beneath the surface some important developments were taking place that would lay foundations for a more successful era. In the 1960s, Asif Iqbal, Wasim Bari, Majid Khan and Mushtaq Mohammad emerged. Players began to play county cricket and this experience undoubtedly improved their game with longer-term consequences for the Pakistan team.

Then there was a greater geographic base: teams from Hyderabad, Sargodha, Multan, Khairpur, Peshawar and Quetta began playing first class cricket in the 1960s.

Perhaps even more significantly, the diffusion of cheap transistor radios, also helped to popularise the game. It was in the 1960s that the availability of cheap radios facilitated an increase in listenership, particularly in rural areas.

All of this had an impact on the eventual changes in the ‘mix’ of the team as they moved beyond an affluent base. One of the reasons Pakistan cricket had relative success in the 1950s, despite the trauma of partition and chronic shortage of funding, was a competitive college system (shared by British tradition), particularly in Lahore and to some extent in Karachi. According to some college cricket began to decline in the 1960s. Majid Khan, for example, believes that in an effort to increase student intake, more buildings and classrooms were built thereby reducing playing fields. For the more privileged, cricket was also perhaps seen as a distraction from studies and secure middle-class employment.

The slow democratisation of the game and decline of college cricket, led - in the long-run - to a profound shift in the make-up of the Pakistan cricket team, shifting the balance towards those that came from less affluent backgrounds, who were not steeped in British traditions and were far less respectful of traditional authority. Some of the roots of this can be traced to the 1960s, which despite being a dreadful decade for on-field results, witnessed significant developments that would help to fashion a very different Pakistan cricket team.
Thank you for that fantastic post. You illuminated my knowledge on alot of things too. Needless to say Fazal Mahmood and Hanif Mohammed were the cornerstones of that team during the 1950s, but at the same time I feel it can't be underestimated what an influence Kardar was as a leader on that Pakistan team in it's infancy. As a team that had just entered test cricket, what Kardar was able to achieve as captain from the Oval victory to winning a test match against every team, was nothing short of remarkable. In that context, I found Pakistan's performance in the succeeding decade to be really disappointing, eventhough as you said, the foundation was being laid for a better future.
 
But he did play through the 70s and 80s. Cause he wasnt skipping matches as i did a tally on imran and him and the numbers match. And his scoring rate was high
If u analyse his stats - he was bit of flat track bully. Scored heavily in Pakistan & England on flat pitches but struggled in Australia / West Indies on fast bouncy pitches

Bcoz he scored heavily in most home series - he had very good stats on paper but he lost that stature & reputation after getting exposed against West Indies pace attack. AT one point he even accused of being a coward & trying to avoid facing pace bowlers

In the 70s & 80s a a batsman's reputation was built on performances against West Indies - thats why Gavaskar, Border, Alan Lamb, Gooch were so highly rated.
 
You mention saeed ahmad, one such cricketer that also played very less was Taslim Arif, a keeper
Taslim was unlucky to come up at a time when Wasim Bari was still playing. There was just no way he was displacing Bari, who was a fantastic wicketkeeper and this is back during a time when wicketkeepers were selected only for their wicketkeeping and could be even worse than the bowlers with the bat, provided their glovework was good.

Pakistan did try Taslim Arif in the opening spot too for the few tests he played. But I think it may have been a case of him not being better than the batsmen and as a batsman, and him not being better than Bari, as a keeper.

I have also read that he had numerous health issues. He died at a relatively young age too because of a lung infection.
 
What I meant to say was we just had these 3 world class players in our side in 60s. Intikhab, rated highly by Pakistanis wasn't really world class IMO. After Fazal Mehmood, it took a decade for us to find good pacers in Sarfraz and IK. Even Immy wasn't that good for the early 70s.
Intikhab was a dependable bowler who could get you wickets in Pakistan. I wouldn't call him anything more than that. As a captain he may have been one of the worst to ever captain Pakistan. But yes you're right. Pakistan was mostly relying on spinners during this decade who picked up alot of wickets at home. I can't think of a single notable fast-bowler that Pakistan unearthed during the 1960s. I think Sarfraz debuted right at the end in 1969.
 
Better to say that if Iyer realises his potential then he can have a career like Zaheer.

Abbas is a hall of famer. He is in the class of Pujara as a test batter and easily Pakistans best ever Odi batsman.
That would be Inzamam or Anwar. Zaheer Abbas was a statistician delight but not the most proficient technically.
 
If u analyse his stats - he was bit of flat track bully. Scored heavily in Pakistan & England on flat pitches but struggled in Australia / West Indies on fast bouncy pitches

Bcoz he scored heavily in most home series - he had very good stats on paper but he lost that stature & reputation after getting exposed against West Indies pace attack. AT one point he even accused of being a coward & trying to avoid facing pace bowlers

In the 70s & 80s a a batsman's reputation was built on performances against West Indies - thats why Gavaskar, Border, Alan Lamb, Gooch were so highly rated.
But navjot and others say that Pakistan used to have green tracks in the past.
 
Zaheer Abbas was very weak against bouncers. Got badly exposed against West Indian pace attack and against Denis Lilee. That was why he did not last long

In the 70s & 80s - without helmet & chest gaurd - if u could not play bouncers , ur career wud not last long
That was only towards the latter part of his career when his vision deteriorated. He made a classy 93 in the WC SF of 1979 against a very potent Windies pace attack, in a 166-run 2nd wicket partnership with Majid Khan. The rest of the batters just could not carry on their good work.


And this was another one of his classy knocks against Lillee, Thompson, and co. He was a strong offside player.

 
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