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Will a Biden presidency be good for Pakistan?

Will a Biden presidency be good for Pakistan?

  • Yes, Biden administration will be favourable for Pakistan

    Votes: 3 21.4%

  • No, Pakistan will suffer due to election of Biden as President of the US

    Votes: 11 78.6%
  • Total voters
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I am hearing from some that Democrats will not favour Pakistan in any way but I would like some to explain why this is the case?
 
I am actually more interested to know how will it impact India, Israel, Iran and Saudi as that will then indirectly set the trend for Pakistan.
 
I dont think it really matters who the American president is in regards to PAK.. However I have concerns with Biden because he is a war monger, he is a hawk, most of the conflicts America was involved in was during the time Biden had some sort of power... Trump just yapped and yapped but he didn't cause any major issues, however Biden will and I feel if China tries to take over Taiwan there will be an all out WAR....
 
Romali_rotti said:
I dont think it really matters who the American president is in regards to PAK.. However I have concerns with Biden because he is a war monger, he is a hawk, most of the conflicts America was involved in was during the time Biden had some sort of power... Trump just yapped and yapped but he didn't cause any major issues, however Biden will and I feel if China tries to take over Taiwan there will be an all out WAR....
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Trump was the one who ramped up the cold war with China, before that US/China business relations were relatively healthy under Obama. If the conflict escalates under Biden it will be because the US military decides it needs to take a more aggressive role in Asia to protect their assets. Biden will probably end up going along just to prove he's not a soft touch for Johnny Foreigner, similar to what Blair did.
 
The chances of our relations improve are slim to non. With Biden administration there’ll be an added pressure of domestically improving the social justice issues in Pakistan which in turn may sour the relationship even further. Also, Pakistan may not be getting out of the FATF grey list if the Biden administration decides to take hawkish position on terror financing and various financial irregularities. I have a feeling that the phrase ‘do more’ is going to make a comeback in Pakistani political lexicon.
 
A lot depends on how the relationship between the US and China plays out. If this relationship deteriorates to the point of war, Pakistan will have to play a very delicate balancing act. Pakistan cannot anger China due to the massive Chinese investment in its economy. At the same time, it cannot ignore the US given its past, its involvement in Afghanistan, and the close ties between the US and India..

More than any other country, Pakistan would want the US and China to have a decent working relationship.
 
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Biden apparently gave Hamid Karzai a huge shut up call and this is something that Karzai himself has publically acknowledged "Mr President, Pakistan is 50 times more important to the US compared to Afghanistan"
 
Any US President must be good for Pakistan because Pakistan hold the key to peace in Afghanistan and for American boys to go home.
 
Romali_rotti said:
I dont think it really matters who the American president is in regards to PAK.. However I have concerns with Biden because he is a war monger, he is a hawk, most of the conflicts America was involved in was during the time Biden had some sort of power... Trump just yapped and yapped but he didn't cause any major issues, however Biden will and I feel if China tries to take over Taiwan there will be an all out WAR....
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Biden weirdly opposed the 1991 Gulf War and supported the 2003 Iraq War. Should've been the other way around.
 
Well, let me lay out some facts, and the PPers can decide if Biden is good or bad

When Obama/Biden administration was in the white house, following happened:

1) Obama moved more forces to Afghanistan
2) Escalation of Drone strike 500%, which was raised in UN as human rights violation and country's sovereignty was violated too.
3) Increased war mongering everywhere including Afghanistan/Pakistan, and increased efforts in not controlling the situation in Iraq, which resulted in Daeesh (ISIS).
4) Very pro India policy and brushing the 70+ years old Kashmir issue under the rug.

Compared that to Trump:
1) Pulled all troops out of Afghanistan, and started talks with Taliban/Afghan govt for peace deal, Pakistan made an important partner (something PMIK has been saying for 20 years).
2) Excluded India from the peace deal as it was not a participant in USCENTCOM. This in turn reduced India's proxy in Afghanistan against Pakistan and we do see less Indian funded terrorist activities in Pakistan now.
3) Pro India policy when it comes to tackling China in South China sea, but totally neutral in Kashmir region against China and Pakistan.

So now, you be the judge, how Biden will be. I personally feel we may go back into the Obama era foreign policy. Thankfully though, we don't have a puppet PM, we have Imran Khan who will respond bluntly if there is any adventure from the US.
 
Perhaps there is a different explanation to your question l, @mig
Dems are more idealistic than republicans. They want equality and want to break the tired norms. Sometimes to get to that end, they screw up. Arab spring is what I have in mind when I say that.

They will not start wars, however, for money or to benefit a few like two Republican presidents have done.
But their unrealistic search for idealism can somehow result in an impractical foreign policy. (I am talking about obama drone strikes).. you want to spread freedom and liberate the world, be prepared to face the consequences of bigger evils that may raise their head once you destroy the lesser evil.

They bet with the Shiites in the ME and it didn’t go well. Rather than bringing the Shiites and Sunnis together, the Dems wanted to buy out one faction to do their bidding.

Apart from that, I hope they undo the damage done by trump to the Palestinian cause. And they adopt the same reconciliatory tone with peace talks with the Taliban. Bombing countries and droning them won’t get you anywhere. You will only keep spending money and sending troops.

Hopefully they will improve relations with iran and China. I do not see why they wouldn’t.. I just fear the unintended consequences, that’s all.
 
Stewie said:
Perhaps there is a different explanation to your question l, @mig
Dems are more idealistic than republicans. They want equality and want to break the tired norms. Sometimes to get to that end, they screw up. Arab spring is what I have in mind when I say that.

They will not start wars, however, for money or to benefit a few like two Republican presidents have done.
But their unrealistic search for idealism can somehow result in an impractical foreign policy. (I am talking about obama drone strikes).. you want to spread freedom and liberate the world, be prepared to face the consequences of bigger evils that may raise their head once you destroy the lesser evil.

They bet with the Shiites in the ME and it didn’t go well. Rather than bringing the Shiites and Sunnis together, the Dems wanted to buy out one faction to do their bidding.

Apart from that, I hope they undo the damage done by trump to the Palestinian cause. And they adopt the same reconciliatory tone with peace talks with the Taliban. Bombing countries and droning them won’t get you anywhere. You will only keep spending money and sending troops.

Hopefully they will improve relations with iran and China. I do not see why they wouldn’t.. I just fear the unintended consequences, that’s all.
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The issue is, you mentioned about Drone strikes, however Drone strikes was at its peak (500% more than Bush Regime) during the Obama regime. That especially includes Pakistan. People keep saying Trump is bad, I say Obama was worse. Atleast Trump improved relations with Pakistan and took out the army from Afghanistan and went towards the peace deal.

In regards to Palestine, yes Trump appeased his masters by announcing Israel-UAE deal, Israel-Bahrain deal, and declared Jerusalem as capital. However, Obama in his 8 years didn't even do jack about the Palestine issue. I think anyone in whitehouse may not do much to the Palestine cause (unfortunately).
 
Biden cannot even string a coherent sentence together. He is just a front man for the US establishment that saw their power waning during the Trump era since he put a stop of their wars and was too much off a loose canon to take dictation from anyone.


If Biden turns out to be a two-term President I expect another war in the middle East in the next 8 years. That will definitely effect Pakistan as well.
 
Syed1 said:
Biden cannot even string a coherent sentence together. He is just a front man for the US establishment that saw their power waning during the Trump era since he put a stop of their wars and was too much off a loose canon to take dictation from anyone.


If Biden turns out to be a two-term President I expect another war in the middle East in the next 8 years. That will definitely effect Pakistan as well.
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Can you explain a bit more about Biden's anti Pakistan stance.
 
ahmedzee said:
The issue is, you mentioned about Drone strikes, however Drone strikes was at its peak (500% more than Bush Regime) during the Obama regime. That especially includes Pakistan. People keep saying Trump is bad, I say Obama was worse. Atleast Trump improved relations with Pakistan and took out the army from Afghanistan and went towards the peace deal.

In regards to Palestine, yes Trump appeased his masters by announcing Israel-UAE deal, Israel-Bahrain deal, and declared Jerusalem as capital. However, Obama in his 8 years didn't even do jack about the Palestine issue. I think anyone in whitehouse may not do much to the Palestine cause (unfortunately).
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if you read my statement carefully, you will see that I am saying the same thing as you on the drones.
and Obama did better than Trump on the palestinian issue, no matter how you llook at it. If you expect an american president to solve all of Muslim world's problems, that you are living in a different world.

He pulled the troops out of afghanistan because he ran on that platform, not because he has immense love for afghans. I see a lot of pakistanis claiming that for Pakistan, Trump was good. That might well be the truth but only as an unintended consequence of his own agenda or ulterior motive which could have switched to come and bite Pakistan in the next four years.

With that being said, I will just say that no American govt will ever be good for pakistan. We have to fix us ourselves and be independent which is what Imran is trying to do. He doesnt go begging like Zerdari or Nawaz. So for us it might be inconsequential who is in the whitehouse. We can just look to having a foreign policy that is mutualy beneficial and for that both sides are to be blamed if it fails. Not just one!
The drone strikes during obama era partly fall on the Pakistani leadership of the time as well. Why didnt they do better?
 
One thing which worries me about Biden is that he was pretty close to NS and Zardari and I am pretty certain that both of them will be emboldened enough to request him to support them against IK. Trump administration told these two to get lost
 
Savak said:
One thing which worries me about Biden is that he was pretty close to NS and Zardari and I am pretty certain that both of them will be emboldened enough to request him to support them against IK. Trump administration told these two to get lost
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It all depends on what they want from us..

And they know IK has military backing too.. I don’t expect much of a change..
 
Pakistani's should worry more about PMLN and PPP mafias and the ingrained corruption then which president would be better for Pakistan.
 
IMMY69 said:
Pakistani's should worry more about PMLN and PPP mafias and the ingrained corruption then which president would be better for Pakistan.
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That’s right. So right.

Lots of talk about who is good for Pakistan. I got a lot of judgmental comments and remarks from my own family and friends in Pakistan over my support for Biden (or should I say opposition to Trump).

It’s a bitter truth, Pakistani Americans have to fend for themselves and watch out for the interests of their people and future generations in the country. We cannot worry about which US government will be good for Pakistan because Pakistan itself needs to be in a place where such things should not matter. And I think with IK, Pakistan can get there.
 
Stewie said:
That’s right. So right.

Lots of talk about who is good for Pakistan. I got a lot of judgmental comments and remarks from my own family and friends in Pakistan over my support for Biden (or should I say opposition to Trump).

It’s a bitter truth, Pakistani Americans have to fend for themselves and watch out for the interests of their people and future generations in the country. We cannot worry about which US government will be good for Pakistan because Pakistan itself needs to be in a place where such things should not matter. And I think with IK, Pakistan can get there.
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People should read this

https://m.economictimes.com/news/in...ation-michelle-obama/articleshow/49507967.cms
 
The greatest con Trump ever successfully pulled was making people think he isn’t part of the establishment. Republicans under his presidency have stretched the inequalities further than ever.
 
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���� Apparently these funds were embezzled by Quam ki Beti Maryam Nawaz for her personal expenses like shoes, designer bags, clothes
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Exactly.
So my point is that you can have a Democrat or a republican, or someone from Mars..
It's all irrelevant in grand scheme of things
 
Stewie said:
if you read my statement carefully, you will see that I am saying the same thing as you on the drones.
and Obama did better than Trump on the palestinian issue, no matter how you llook at it. If you expect an american president to solve all of Muslim world's problems, that you are living in a different world.

He pulled the troops out of afghanistan because he ran on that platform, not because he has immense love for afghans. I see a lot of pakistanis claiming that for Pakistan, Trump was good. That might well be the truth but only as an unintended consequence of his own agenda or ulterior motive which could have switched to come and bite Pakistan in the next four years.

With that being said, I will just say that no American govt will ever be good for pakistan. We have to fix us ourselves and be independent which is what Imran is trying to do. He doesnt go begging like Zerdari or Nawaz. So for us it might be inconsequential who is in the whitehouse. We can just look to having a foreign policy that is mutualy beneficial and for that both sides are to be blamed if it fails. Not just one!
The drone strikes during obama era partly fall on the Pakistani leadership of the time as well. Why didnt they do better?
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Yup, 100% agree with you in all the things you laid out. In the end it comes to our leadership and this is where I feel quite contended. Imran Khan is a strong leader and he won't let Biden do whatever he wants to do in Pakistan.

Palestine issue is gone out of hands. Obama did nothing about it, Trump did nothing except helping Israel, Clinton did jack, so did Bush.
 
ahmedzee said:
Yup, 100% agree with you in all the things you laid out. In the end it comes to our leadership and this is where I feel quite contended. Imran Khan is a strong leader and he won't let Biden do whatever he wants to do in Pakistan.

Palestine issue is gone out of hands. Obama did nothing about it, Trump did nothing except helping Israel, Clinton did jack, so did Bush.
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Somebody shared a meme yesterday " Whoever wins the election, Israel will get 538 electoral votes"
Unfortunately the way US politics is funded, Israel will always get a free hand. I pity the Palestinians.
The last US president who somewhat stood up to Israel was Bush Sr. He "threatened" to freeze Israeli aid ( 3b per year) if they did not stop building illegal settlements in Occupied West Bank in 1990. And guess what happened to him He became a 1 term president.
 
He cry about American presidents not doing anything about the issue but on the other hand, Muslim countries are all whoring themselves out to israel Willy nilly.

It’s ridiculous!
 
*A Trump Defeat: ‘Will be a sad day for the Muslim world’*

*By ‘مختار ماستر’*
*5/11/20*

*Read | Reflect | Share*

I assure you that many from the Muslim community will not be shedding many tears at the prospect of a defeat for Donald Trump as the President of the United States. In fact, many will be quite ecstatic that Biden has defeated Trump. However, let me tell you - it will be a sad day for the Muslim community worldwide because we quite honestly do not know the truth.

There is a saying that goes - *‘Judge the character of a man by his actions and not by his words.’*

Trump certainly talked the talk, but did he honestly walk the walk?


*The Analysis:*

George Bush took the US to war in Afghanistan (2001), Iraq (2003), NW Pakistan (2004), Somalia (2007) and Kenya (2007).

The man of ‘change’, Barack Obama, changed nothing and took the US to war in the Indian Ocean against Somali Pirates (2009), Libya (2011), Uganda (2011), Iraq and Syria (2014), Yemen (2015) and Libya again in 2015 to fight ISIS.

*Since Trump took over at the Oval Office in 2017, he has never once taken the US to war.*

*I repeat - he never once took the US to war.*

In fact, let’s be honest, especially if we want to talk facts - most US wars since 2001 have been fought in Muslim lands at the expense of millions of Muslim lives. This only substantially changed when Trump took office. In fact, the truth is even better - Trump withdrew forces from Syria, and Iraq, and moreover he negotiated a peace treaty with the Taliban after years of war in Afghanistan.

Trump has been better in his dealings with the Uighur Muslim issue with China, than even most so-called Muslim leaders. Not content with condemning China’s Uighur concentration camps, he even imposed sanctions on Chinese companies and officials for their human rights abuses against Uighur Muslims.

Trump also termed Burma’s genocide and expulsion of the Rohingya Muslims as ‘ethnic cleansing’ and imposed sanctions on some of the alleged perpetrators.

In 2016, the US under Obama, supported a coup and attempted murder of the world’s best Muslim leader, President Erdogan of Turkey. It was only through the sheer mercy of the Almighty that Erdogan survived.

However, Trump has gone on to praise Erdogan on numerous occasions and has resisted calls to impose sanctions on Turkey. Whereas videos have emerged which show Biden’s willingness to support the ‘opposition leadership’ in the removal of Erdogan, when he become the next president.

Even the issue of ‘Islamist’ Terrorism has improved under Trump. During Barack Obama’s presidency, no fewer than 11 ‘so called’ terror attacks took place. All were full-on, mainstream media hyped, ‘Islamist’ inspired terror. However, these types of terror attacks virtually disappeared during Trump’s presidency.


*The counter argument*

Trump was certainly no angel and he had his faults. The fundamental chink in his armour has always been his unwavering support for Israel. However, the reality is as clear as night and day, which is that, no US President would be an unbiased arbiter in dealing with the Israeli Palestinian conflict. Hence, in reality, this can be discounted in the overall balance of arguments.

The ‘Muslim ban’, the ‘Wall’, the tweets and various other nonsense were no more than bravado from an eccentric, full on, showman that Trump clearly is.


*The Reason*

Trump is the maverick, loose cannon which the mainstream media, the American Establishment and the banking cartels never wanted. They wanted their usual puppets like Clinton, Obama, Bush and now Biden, to further their own interests.

Trump did what he wanted, when he wanted and how he wanted. He was never going to dance to their bloodthirsty, Islam-bashing and world dominating tune. Hence, they vilified him in the mainstream media, changed election rules just prior to the election and put their full weight behind Biden to remove him at any cost.


*The Analysis*

As Muslims, there is nothing more sacred than the life of a Muslim. Hence, if the only measure of a US President was the loss of Muslim lives and the blood spilt during their presidency, then Trump wins hands down without even a recount.

The numbers of Muslim lives that have been lost during the Bush, Clinton and Obama presidency goes into the millions. The US have rampaged through Muslim lands during those few short years. However, that came to a very abrupt end when Trump became President.

I can honestly say, that I would be truly devastated if Trump loses - as it now seems inevitable. Only Trump could have done what he has done and it will be a sad day for the Muslims of the world.


*The Conclusion*

Let’s judge Trump by his actions and not by his words or even his tweets. Because if you do, then there is honestly only one conclusion which you can come to. That is:

*President Trump was good for Muslims the world over*
 
Savak said:
*A Trump Defeat: ‘Will be a sad day for the Muslim world’*

*By ‘مختار ماستر’*
*5/11/20*

*Read | Reflect | Share*

I assure you that many from the Muslim community will not be shedding many tears at the prospect of a defeat for Donald Trump as the President of the United States. In fact, many will be quite ecstatic that Biden has defeated Trump. However, let me tell you - it will be a sad day for the Muslim community worldwide because we quite honestly do not know the truth.

There is a saying that goes - *‘Judge the character of a man by his actions and not by his words.’*

Trump certainly talked the talk, but did he honestly walk the walk?


*The Analysis:*

George Bush took the US to war in Afghanistan (2001), Iraq (2003), NW Pakistan (2004), Somalia (2007) and Kenya (2007).

The man of ‘change’, Barack Obama, changed nothing and took the US to war in the Indian Ocean against Somali Pirates (2009), Libya (2011), Uganda (2011), Iraq and Syria (2014), Yemen (2015) and Libya again in 2015 to fight ISIS.

*Since Trump took over at the Oval Office in 2017, he has never once taken the US to war.*

*I repeat - he never once took the US to war.*

In fact, let’s be honest, especially if we want to talk facts - most US wars since 2001 have been fought in Muslim lands at the expense of millions of Muslim lives. This only substantially changed when Trump took office. In fact, the truth is even better - Trump withdrew forces from Syria, and Iraq, and moreover he negotiated a peace treaty with the Taliban after years of war in Afghanistan.

Trump has been better in his dealings with the Uighur Muslim issue with China, than even most so-called Muslim leaders. Not content with condemning China’s Uighur concentration camps, he even imposed sanctions on Chinese companies and officials for their human rights abuses against Uighur Muslims.

Trump also termed Burma’s genocide and expulsion of the Rohingya Muslims as ‘ethnic cleansing’ and imposed sanctions on some of the alleged perpetrators.

In 2016, the US under Obama, supported a coup and attempted murder of the world’s best Muslim leader, President Erdogan of Turkey. It was only through the sheer mercy of the Almighty that Erdogan survived.

However, Trump has gone on to praise Erdogan on numerous occasions and has resisted calls to impose sanctions on Turkey. Whereas videos have emerged which show Biden’s willingness to support the ‘opposition leadership’ in the removal of Erdogan, when he become the next president.

Even the issue of ‘Islamist’ Terrorism has improved under Trump. During Barack Obama’s presidency, no fewer than 11 ‘so called’ terror attacks took place. All were full-on, mainstream media hyped, ‘Islamist’ inspired terror. However, these types of terror attacks virtually disappeared during Trump’s presidency.


*The counter argument*

Trump was certainly no angel and he had his faults. The fundamental chink in his armour has always been his unwavering support for Israel. However, the reality is as clear as night and day, which is that, no US President would be an unbiased arbiter in dealing with the Israeli Palestinian conflict. Hence, in reality, this can be discounted in the overall balance of arguments.

The ‘Muslim ban’, the ‘Wall’, the tweets and various other nonsense were no more than bravado from an eccentric, full on, showman that Trump clearly is.


*The Reason*

Trump is the maverick, loose cannon which the mainstream media, the American Establishment and the banking cartels never wanted. They wanted their usual puppets like Clinton, Obama, Bush and now Biden, to further their own interests.

Trump did what he wanted, when he wanted and how he wanted. He was never going to dance to their bloodthirsty, Islam-bashing and world dominating tune. Hence, they vilified him in the mainstream media, changed election rules just prior to the election and put their full weight behind Biden to remove him at any cost.


*The Analysis*

As Muslims, there is nothing more sacred than the life of a Muslim. Hence, if the only measure of a US President was the loss of Muslim lives and the blood spilt during their presidency, then Trump wins hands down without even a recount.

The numbers of Muslim lives that have been lost during the Bush, Clinton and Obama presidency goes into the millions. The US have rampaged through Muslim lands during those few short years. However, that came to a very abrupt end when Trump became President.

I can honestly say, that I would be truly devastated if Trump loses - as it now seems inevitable. Only Trump could have done what he has done and it will be a sad day for the Muslims of the world.


*The Conclusion*

Let’s judge Trump by his actions and not by his words or even his tweets. Because if you do, then there is honestly only one conclusion which you can come to. That is:

*President Trump was good for Muslims the world over*
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He just had not gotten around to it just yet.
 
Presidency doesn't matter. Foreign policy is determined by geopolitics, Pakistan isn't really going to benefit in the current US-China cold war so I don't see much changing.
 
A lot of Muslims are acting like Biden is the coming of Imam Mahdi and Muslims will lead an amazing life because of him. If he is anything like Obama, that wont be true, only Iran will benefit to some extent
 
Pakistan is its own biggest enemy. It doesn’t matter who the President is.
 
Savak said:
As Muslims, there is nothing more sacred than the life of a Muslim. Hence, if the only measure of a US President was the loss of Muslim lives and the blood spilt during their presidency, then Trump wins hands down without even a recount.





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American Muslims worshipping Biden don't care even if a million Muslim lives are gone because of wars. They are selfish individuals who just care to be "Riding with Biden" and closing Mosques (because Trump said you can open them).
After all we saw how keeping Masajid open in Pakistan made the pandemic so much worse there.... oh wait

If Trump says you can fast in Ramadan, some of these people will probably stop fasting because he said so
 
Syed1 said:
Biden cannot even string a coherent sentence together.
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He is just a front man for the US establishment that saw their power waning during the Trump era since he put a stop of their wars and was too much off a loose canon to take dictation from anyone.


If Biden turns out to be a two-term President I expect another war in the middle East in the next 8 years. That will definitely effect Pakistan as well.

Biden has a stuttering issue and he has talked about it previously
 
globalcitizen said:
He is just a front man for the US establishment that saw their power waning during the Trump era since he put a stop of their wars and was too much off a loose canon to take dictation from anyone.


If Biden turns out to be a two-term President I expect another war in the middle East in the next 8 years. That will definitely effect Pakistan as well.

Biden has a stuttering issue and he has talked about it previously
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Then why are so many Muslims praying and begging for a Biden victory? When I look at my FB feed more than half the Muslim Americans I know were in tears after the first day but are now saying it is Allah's miracle that Biden is coming
 
LongHorn said:
Then why are so many Muslims praying and begging for a Biden victory? When I look at my FB feed more than half the Muslim Americans I know were in tears after the first day but are now saying it is Allah's miracle that Biden is coming
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What sort of face book feed to you have?
Maybe branch out a bit
 
Pakistan does not really value US as much as China considering our interests right now. For good or bad, we bet on the latter. I expect US to continue to not really care about Pakistan as much.
 
LongHorn said:
Then why are so many Muslims praying and begging for a Biden victory? When I look at my FB feed more than half the Muslim Americans I know were in tears after the first day but are now saying it is Allah's miracle that Biden is coming
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It was an issue when I tried to quote another message. That comment is not mine. You should ask Syed 😀
 
New Delhi: As the world awaits the results of US Presidential election, Pakistan will be hoping Democrat Joe Biden assumes the President's office. Pakistan has been in trouble with the Donald Trump administration and would be hoping for Joe Biden's victory.

Joe Biden is an old diplomat and has had cordial relations with Pakistan and that is the reason why Pakistan is rooting for him.

In 2008, Pakistan had conferred Biden with the second highest civilian honor, 'Hilal-e-Pakistan'. Joe Biden and Senator Richard Lugar were beind the proposal to bring $ 1.5 billion non-military aid to Pakistan. Lugar too was awarded the 'Hilal-e-Pakistan'.

Asif Ali Zardari, then the President of Pakistan, had thanked the two for "consistently supporting Pakistan".

Pakistani analysts feel that Biden as president will return the old era of diplomacy between the two countries.

https://zeenews.india.com/india/joe...ake-pakistan-very-happy-know-why-2322819.html
 
cric_man said:
Somebody shared a meme yesterday " Whoever wins the election, Israel will get 538 electoral votes"
Unfortunately the way US politics is funded, Israel will always get a free hand. I pity the Palestinians.
The last US president who somewhat stood up to Israel was Bush Sr. He "threatened" to freeze Israeli aid ( 3b per year) if they did not stop building illegal settlements in Occupied West Bank in 1990. And guess what happened to him He became a 1 term president.
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Funny enough Bush Sr. was another President, who was a VP before just like Biden.
Yes, unfortunately Palestinian issue is gone out of hands. Only way to free Palestine is war. I do blame UN and the British as they're the ones who created this issue. Jews, Christians and Muslims were living peacefully there until UN/British decided to transport Europeans to the holy land.
 
ahmedzee said:
Funny enough Bush Sr. was another President, who was a VP before just like Biden.
Yes, unfortunately Palestinian issue is gone out of hands. Only way to free Palestine is war. I do blame UN and the British as they're the ones who created this issue. Jews, Christians and Muslims were living peacefully there until UN/British decided to transport Europeans to the holy land.
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Yes that was the english's machiavellian scheme to solve Europe's "Jewish Problem" and create an ever lasting issue in Middle east once they left.
 
Interesting times ahead:

Kashmir issues
Iran
Middle East problems
Eastern Europe issues
Covid-19
India/Pakistan
Russia
And more
 
Reaction to Joe Biden's victory in Pakistan....

Federal Planning Minister Asad Umar on Saturday scoffed at the delay in the announcement of the winner of the 2020 US presidential election amidst claims of rigging by the Republicans, comparing the unprecedent situation in America to what has become a norm in Pakistan, only to invite derision from Pakistani Twitterati who reminded him of the ruling PTI's own past of hesitating to accept electoral defeat.

With nearly four days having passed since polls closed in the United States, Umar expressed the irony of the American election turning out to be as rancorous as a Pakistani contest in a post on Twitter.

"We used to see in our youth that an election takes places in the US; votes are counted, the loser congratulates the winner and the transition of power takes place. We used to think when will things play out like this in Pakistan? That still hasn't happened to date, but Pakistani scenes were definitely visible in the American election," he wrote.

By "Pakistani scenes", the minister was apparently referring to US President Donald Trump making baseless allegations of fraud in the 2020 election, refusing to acknowledge Democratic nominee Joe Biden's lead in numerous states and mounting legal challenges against the vote count.

Providing no evidence to support his allegations and in a break from US presidential norms, Trump on Thursday erupted in a tirade of unsubstantiated claims that he had been cheated out of winning the election as vote counting across battleground states showed Biden steadily closing in on victory.

The political drama that has now dragged on into the weekend in the US, the nation considered one of the world’s most emblematic democracies, has been watched with irony by many around the world — especially in countries that have long been advised by Washington on how to run elections.

But when Umar expressed similar sentiments on Saturday, Pakistani social media users were quick to remind him that the PTI had refused to go quietly after losing the 2013 general elections to the PML-N

"Yes, your friend set an example for the rest of the world on his container," academic Nida Kirmani said while replying to the minister's tweet, referring to the 126-day sit-in led by PTI chief (now Prime Minister) Imran Khan.

In August 2014, Imran Khan had started a long march from Lahore to Islamabad to stage a sit-in to register the party’s protest against alleged rigging in the 2013 elections. The protest march was also joined by the Pakistan Awami Tehreek (PAT) led by Dr Tahirul Qadri.

After reaching Islamabad, the protesters announced that they would remain at D-Chowk for an indefinite period till the acceptance of their demands. The sit-in that had been started with a demand of probe into the charges of rigging was later converted into a full-fledged anti-government movement and the PTI announced that they would not end the sit-in till the ouster of the PML-N government.

The sit-in continued for 126 days and the PTI chief announced the end of the protest a day after the terrorist attack on the Army Public School in Peshawar.

Journalist Abbas Nasir while responding to Umar said only "Trump's container is awaited" — a reference to Imran Khan delivering anti-government speeches from atop a container during the 2014 sit-in.

Journalist Matiulla Jan asked the minister whether by "Pakistani scenes" he was alluding to "2014 D-Chowk dharna scenes".

In response to Umar, one user sarcastically wrote that the US too was witnessing "tabdeeli" (change) — the famed election slogan of the PTI.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1589127/p...us-election-twitter-reminds-him-of-pti-dharna
 
''only to invite derision from Pakistani Twitterati who reminded him of the ruling PTI's own past of hesitating to accept electoral defeat.''

Yeah, because our elections are actually rigged by PMLN from the 1990s with actual evidence. Our society generally has a lot of morons but my God we have some special fruitcakes on social media.
 
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Nothing good for Pakistan would come out of US regardless of administration

especially with CPEC and everything

simple, plain facts
 
America's policy changes according to the need of the hours.

Obama was the most anti-Pakistan president in recent times.

Trump was an AH, other than Israel ( due to his son in Law) he was not good for any country.

Joe, hopefully will be a much sensible president. He is not racist or islamophobic. Anyone has to be better than the conman.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Congratulations <a href="https://twitter.com/JoeBiden?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JoeBiden</a> & <a href="https://twitter.com/KamalaHarris?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@KamalaHarris</a>. Look forward to President Elect Biden's Global Summit on Democracy & working with him to end illegal tax havens & stealth of nation's wealth by corrupt ldrs. We will also continue to work with US for peace in Afghanistan & in the region</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1325150531422220288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 7, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
He'll be a lot better then what Trump was.
Remember it was Obama who increased aid and Trump who cut it..

Unfortunately we also had the Mafia in government at the time and things will be very different now.

Some would say Trump was isolationist but that would be giving him far too much credit.
I think he was only ever interested in his own brand and pandering to his base helped him do that.
He couldn't care less about the rest of the world least of all Pakistan
 
Joe Biden will be sworn in as the 46th president of the United States on January 20. Unlike his predecessor, Donald Trump, who pursued what he called an “America First” foreign policy and attempted to move the US outside the post-WWII multilateral status quo, Biden is expected to have a more traditional approach to foreign affairs, supportive of multilateral organisations and focused on restoring Washington’s international standing and alliances.

So what will this mean for US-Pakistan relations? Biden’s rise to power is unlikely to drastically change the issue-specific and transactional nature of the relationship between the two nations, but it will present Pakistan with opportunities to strengthen its strategic and economic ties with the US – especially as the planned US withdrawal from Afghanistan forces Washington to redefine its interests in the region.

For 20 years, the war in Afghanistan shaped US-Pakistan ties. At a time when this dynamic is expected to change, Biden’s presence in the White House can help the foreign policy establishment in Islamabad forge new partnerships with Washington based on the two nation’s mutual geopolitical and economic interests.

Unlike Trump, Biden knows Pakistan. He travelled to the country several times as vice president. He was one of the principal architects, along with Senator John Kerry of the Kerry-Lugar Berman Act of 2009 that paved the way for the US providing annual civilian assistance of $1.5bn to Pakistan between 2010 and 2014. But perhaps more importantly, contrary to Trump’s unpredictable, unilateralist, personal and at times erratic approach to foreign affairs, Biden believes in dealing with other nations through institutions. This means the relationship between the US and Pakistan will be more stable during his presidency.

However, America’s desire to blunt China’s ambitious Belt and Road initiative and contain its rise as a global power means its strategic and geopolitical interests in the Indo-Pacific region will remain more aligned with India than Pakistan during Biden’s presidency. While India is China’s main rival in the region, Pakistan has growing economic and strategic ties to the country.

As a result, under the Trump presidency, the US moved closer to India than ever before. Just last month, New Delhi and Washington signed the Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement (BECA), which will provide India real-time access to American geospatial intelligence, enhancing the accuracy of its missiles, armed drones, and automated systems. And last year, the Trump administration’s partisan response to the Pulwama-Balakot crisis between India and Pakistan, where he urged both sides to de-escalate after an Indian military incursion into Pakistan, eroded the long-held belief in Pakistan that the US is a relatively neutral arbiter in the decades-old rivalry between the two neighbours.

Biden will undoubtedly keep supporting India against China in the region, but unlike Trump, he is also expected to take steps to restore the US’s role as a strategic balancer between Islamabad and New Delhi. Moreover, the new US president is expected to adopt a less aggressive approach towards Beijing than his predecessor in order to secure some cooperation on issues like ending the coronavirus pandemic, addressing climate change, and ensuring nuclear non-proliferation.

So far, Pakistan managed to remain neutral in the competition between the US and China in the Indo-Pacific region. As a result, it is well placed to provide a communication back-channel between Washington and Beijing if and when it is needed. This is a role Pakistan played successfully in the past. In the early 1970s, Islamabad facilitated Washington’s outreach to Beijing, which resulted in President Richard Nixon paying a historic official visit to the country in 1972.

Furthermore, the Biden administration is expected to be more vocal in its criticism of India’s oppressive policies in Indian-administered Kashmir. This will give Pakistan an opportunity to more efficiently highlight India’s human rights abuses and international law violations in the disputed territory on the international arena and move its Kashmir policy forward.

But the Biden administration is also expected to be more critical of human rights violations, media censorship and mistreatment of minorities in Pakistan. In 2019, the US placed Pakistan on the blacklist of countries that violate religious freedoms. Biden will continue to pressure Islamabad to make improvements in this area. Pakistan will also face increased pressure from Washington to guarantee the safety of its nuclear arsenal during the Biden presidency. The Biden administration will also expect further action from Pakistan against armed groups based within its borders that are targeting India.

Despite these pressures, US-Pakistan relations will likely have a positive trajectory in the Biden era – if the ongoing Afghan peace process results in a permanent and comprehensive ceasefire and a power-sharing agreement between the Taliban and the Afghan government.

If the intra-Afghan talks derail, and the conflict reignites, however, US-Pakistan relations will take a hit. In such a scenario, Biden will be more supportive of the Afghan government than his predecessor, and will likely put increased pressure on Pakistan to convince the Taliban to end hostilities. This does not mean the signing of a power-sharing agreement in Afghanistan would guarantee smooth relations between Islamabad and Washington. Under a Biden presidency, the withdrawal of the US from Afghanistan will be gradual and conditional, and Washington will likely have some presence in the country for a long time. This could lead to renewed tensions with Islamabad.

But whatever happens in the region in the next four years, one fundamental dynamic will remain the same: Pakistan, despite its strong strategic and economic ties to China, will need US help to continue its development and keep its economy afloat.

Washington is Islamabad’s largest trading partner, with an annual trade volume of $ 6.5bn. Islamabad also needs Washington’s assistance to continue receiving help from the International Monetary Fund (IMF) without being forced to fully submit to the fund and allow its technocrats to shape its economy. Similarly, it also needs Washington’s support to be taken out of the increased monitoring list of the Financial Action Task Force – the global watchdog for terror financing.

As a result, Pakistan will need to work closely with Biden during his presidency to increase economic cooperation between the two nations and have greater access to American markets. The Biden era could provide Pakistan with many economic opportunities, especially if the new president restores the US-Iran nuclear deal. This will help Pakistan access affordable Iranian gas and oil to get its struggling economy back on track.

But Pakistan cannot sit idly by and expect the new US administration to do all the work.

Pakistan’s discriminatory taxation laws, regulatory barriers and weak intellectual property safeguards have hindered US investments in Pakistan in the past. It should take action and implement the necessary reforms to make Pakistan an attractive partner to US business to encourage the Biden administration to invest more in the country. It should also find ways to use the sizeable Pakistani diaspora in the US as a bridge to attract more American investment.

All in all, Biden’s victory in the presidential election is good news for Pakistan, but Islamabad will need to work hard to ensure the country benefits from the change of leadership in Washington.

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/...en-presidency-mean-for-us-pakistan-relations/
 
ISLAMABAD: As Joe Biden is set to take oath as the new president of the United States in less than two weeks, Pakistan has called a high-level meeting to review its ties with the US.

According to The News, Pakistan’s Ambassador to the United States Dr Asad Majeed Khan has returned to Islamabad for the high-level moot.

Diplomatic sources told the publication that Pakistan will act cautiously in dealing with President-elect Joe Biden’s administration as they have a good idea about Pakistan and South Asian affairs.

However, Pakistan is hoping that the new president will adopt a pragmatic approach towards Pakistan-India ties.

Interestingly, the last Democratic administration had de-hyphenated its relationship with Pakistan from India but later declared Pakistan as its non-NATO ally; a position that it rarely attaches with the countries that stood by the United States and opted to develop a distance from it subsequently.

Afghanistan will continue to remain an interest for the United States vis-a-vis its relations with Pakistan. The peace process in Afghanistan that was initiated by the outgoing US administration through hectic efforts is still far from a complete success.

The Taliban leadership that entered the peace process skilfully slowed down the process and didn’t allow Americans to make gains at their behest. The Biden administration will likely continue to follow the Afghan peace process, but more prudently, the sources said.

Meanwhile, Ambassador Dr Asad Majeed has briefed the concerned authorities in the twin cities about the possible stance that can be expected from the new administration towards Afghanistan.

Sources say that Pakistan’s nuclear programme has been a concern for the US policymakers’ but they argued that presidents’ from the Democratic party have traditionally attached less significance to the issue.

Pakistan’s envoy to the United States Dr Majeed will brief the officials about the policies that may be pursued by the incoming administration in Washington. Interestingly, outgoing US President Donald Trump had developed a personal rapport with Prime Minister Imran Khan and both used to refer to each other in talks.

On the other hand, President-elect Biden has dealt with multiple Pakistani leaders, including former prime ministers Nawaz Sharif, Yousaf Raza Gillani, Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain and former president Asif Ali Zardari.

It is expected that Prime Minister Imran Khan will want to create an opportunity at the earliest to have a meeting with Biden.

Meanwhile, defence experts are attaching significance to the visit of Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Qamar Javed Bajwa to Bahrain where he is held significant meetings.

Interestingly, the US Centcom headquarters is situated close to Bahrain and a US defence delegation is also visiting Pakistan these days.
 
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US President Joe Biden on Tuesday underscored that Washington will further strengthen partnership with Pakistan.

In a letter written to his Pakistani counterpart President Arif Alvi, Biden said that the Pakistan-US relation was based on the common goal of regional peace and prosperity.

“Both countries will continue to work together to address common challenges, especially peace in Afghanistan, the coronavirus pandemic, and climate change, he said adding

He also congratulated President Alvi on the occasion of Pakistan Day.

The Nation celebrates Pakistan Day today with a renewed pledge to transform the country into a true Islamic and welfare state in line with the vision of Quaid-i-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah.

The day marks the adoption of the historic Lahore Resolution in 1940 that provided a framework for the realization of the goal of a separate homeland for Muslims of South Asia.

The national flag has been hoisted atop all major government buildings.

In view of the third wave of Covid-19, all the events in connection with the day would be held ensuring compliance to SOPs.

However, The Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) on March 22 announced that the Pakistan Day Parade has been rescheduled to March 25 due to inclement weather and rains forecasted over the next two days.

"Due to ongoing inclement weather and rains forecasted over the next two days, Pakistan Day parade has been rescheduled."

"The Joint Services Pakistan Day Parade will now be held on 25th March 2021 as per program and timings already specified," the military's media wing added.
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Relations between Pakistan and USA under President Joe Biden

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan's efforts to reset what is often dubbed as "transactional relationship" with the United States have been met with a lukewarm response by the Biden administration.

When Joe Biden took over as US President, Islamabad was hoping for transforming its ties with Washington from being security driven to one based on economic cooperation.

The optimism stemmed from the fact that President Biden knew Pakistan well and his knowledge of the country could help pave the way for better understanding.

However, officials here admitted that the Biden administration has so far given a cold shouldered response to Pakistan’s push for seeking a reset in ties.

Prime Minister Imran Khan has formed an Apex Committee to evolve a broad based agenda for engagement with the Biden administration.

The thrust of Pakistan’s approach is to have economic rather than relying on security cooperation. Enhanced trade ties, investment, energy and climate change have been identified as some of the areas where Pakistan is looking to seek US cooperation.

"We want to evolve relationship with the US purely through bilateral lens. We don't want to be perceived through the Chinese lens or Indian lens," said a senior Pakistani official involved in the policy making.

However, the trouble for Pakistan is that the new US administration has not given positive signals so far.

Despite in the White House for over two and half months, President Biden hasn't yet spoken to Prime Minister Imran Khan over the phone. It is a ritual that the new US President speaks to heads of governments and states. He has already spoken to the Afghan President and the Indian Prime Minister.

Despite Pakistan’s request, Biden has not yet established a direct contact with Prime Minister Imran Khan. This was seen as somewhat surprising given the fact that Pakistan has a pivotal role in the Afghan endgame. Officials are confident that given Pakistan’s importance to the Afghan peace process, Biden will surely speak to the Prime Minister sooner or later.

Meanwhile, the Biden administration has not extended invitation to Pakistan for the climate summit the US is set to host later this month.

The virtual summit would bring together leaders from 40 countries including India and Bangladesh.

Prime minister Imran the other day played down the apparent US snub, insisting he was puzzled by the cacophony over not inviting Pakistan to the climate summit.

President Biden's special envoy on climate change John Kerry also skipped Islamabad when he undertook visit to regional countries including UAE, India and Bangladesh.

Similarly, US Secretary of Defence Lloyd Austin recently travelled to India and Afghanistan but he ignored Pakistan, although he spoke to Army Chief General Qamar Javed Bajwa over the phone while in Kabul.

Officially, Pakistan is tight lipped over these developments but privately officials acknowledged that the Biden administration was not giving encouraging signals.

What angered the new US administration is thought to be the acquittal of Daniel Pearl’s alleged mastermind by the Supreme Court just when Biden took charge. Pakistan was conveyed in clear terms that it had to ensure justice was served to the murderers of American journalist.

But the Daniel Pearl case is not just the only reason behind lukewarm attitude of the US. The other key reason is believed to be effort by the US administration asking Pakistan to move away from China.

Pakistan, although is trying to maintain balance in its ties with the US and China but Washington seems want a clear shift in the country's approach.

The US-China rivalry is going to get deepened under the Biden administration. The new US government not just is trying to counter China through different means but President Biden recently proposed infrastructure project to rival China's Belt and Road initiative.

"Yes, we have time tested relationship with China. CPEC is central to our development yet that doesn't mean we should be seen through the Chinese lens," said an official explaining Pakistan wants to pursue a policy that avoids being a proxy in the China-US tussle.

The official said the Prime Minister would articulate Pakistan’s position when he gets a chance to speak to the US President directly.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2293349/pakistans-push-to-reset-ties-with-us-met-with-lukewarm-response
 
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When the newly appointed National Security Adviser Dr Moeed Yusuf quietly met his US counterpart Jake Sullivan in Geneva last Sunday, he presented him with a “Pakistani plan” that envisages the future of Pakistan-US relationship.

Breaking from the past practice, the plan seeks bilateral cooperation with the US not based on security and defence but economy, trade and business.

Sources familiar with the development told The Express Tribune that Pakistan is seeking a “paradigm shift” in its approach as far as ties with the US are concerned.

Relationship between Pakistan and the US has often been seen as transactional as Islamabad for long relied on the country’s strategic location for leverage with Washington.

Read: Pak, US NSAs meet in Geneva for crucial talks

However, there has been a consensus among the policymakers that Pakistan needs to move away from geo-strategic to geo-economics. At an Islamabad Security Dialogue held earlier this year, Pakistan’s civil and military leadership talked about that shift.

In line with that approach, Prime Minister Imran Khan in March formed an Apex Committee that was tasked with formulating a new strategy on ties with the US under the Biden administration.

The 14-member committee is headed by Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi and comprises ministers for finance, national food security, economic affairs, information technology, national security adviser, and PM’s aides on commerce, climate change, human resource development, power and investment.

The Terms of Reference of the committee solely focused on finding ways and means to seek cooperation between Pakistan and the US in the fields of economy, trade, business, energy, technology and climate change.

This is seen as a clear departure from the earlier approach adopted by Pakistan and the US that largely focused on security cooperation with Afghanistan.

Sources said Moeed went to Geneva with a ‘blueprint’ envisaging Pakistan’s desire to broaden relationship with the US beyond security cooperation and Afghanistan.

Different ministries and departments made several proposals identifying potential areas of cooperation between Pakistan and the US. The Board of Investment (BoI) has proposed to attract more US foreign direct investment in Pakistan, especially through technology firms. The BoI also seeks US investment through special incentive regimes.

The Ministry of Commerce has suggested that an American-Pakistan Economic Zone could be set up near Karachi port to allow reprocessing at concessional rates.

It has also proposed to enhance structured engagement through TIFA Ministerial Council and Business Opportunities Conference. Last time, the TIFA council meeting was held in May 2019. The US-Pakistan TIFA is the primary mechanism for both countries to discuss trade and investment issues and focus on ways to strengthen the bilateral relationship.

The United States continues to be Pakistan’s largest market for exports.

The Ministry of Commerce has also sought early finalisation of proposed legislation on Reconstruction Opportunity Zones, which had been promised by the Bush administration in return for Pakistan’s support to the US war in Afghanistan.

Read more: Qureshi meets US lawmakers, discusses bilateral relations

However, it is not clear if the Biden administration is receptive to the idea given its strategic priorities and close ties with India. Also, close ties between Pakistan and China can be a major factor that may desist the US seeking broader engagement with Pakistan.

It is believed that given the conversation, Pakistani authorities have had so far with the new US administration, Washington has linked future cooperation with Pakistan delivering on the Afghan peace process.

Unlike the past, this time the US does not want to give any incentives to Pakistan before the Afghan endgame. If there is a peace deal to the satisfaction of the US, there is a likelihood of Washington offering certain incentives to Islamabad on trade, economy and other issues.

Meanwhile, sources said Moeed may visit Washington soon following his recent meeting with the US NSA.

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When Donald Trump was elected as the US President in 2016, he didn't even wait to take the formal oath for telephoning then prime minister Nawaz Sharif.

It was a telephone call that got the international media's attention since Trump, as per Pakistan’s official readout, declared Nawaz “a terrific guy”.

This was, nevertheless, not a surprise since Pakistani leaders were on the priority list of the newly elected US presidents in the post 9/11 scenario given the country's critical role in the Afghan affairs.

However, President Joe Biden didn't follow that ritual and has not yet spoken to Prime Minister Imran Khan despite being in the White House since January 20.

There is no official explanation from either side as to what stops Biden from speaking to Imran, although his administration officials have been in touch both with the civil and military authorities in Pakistan.

The Express Tribune has learnt through reliable sources that Biden has ordered an "internal review" on Pakistan and hence is waiting for the outcome of that review before picking up the phone and speaking to Prime Minister Imran.

The reason why Biden ordered a review is that he thinks that he may have a "biased" approach given that he has worked with Islamabad as vice president as well as head of the foreign relations committee.

Biden was the original co-author of the Kerry-Lugar Act that tripled non-military aid to Pakistan during President Obama's first term. He frequently travelled to Islamabad for this purpose.

Sources said President Biden was seeking fresh input from the relevant US department to understand where Pakistan-US ties stand at the moment and what the way forward is.

"Once President Biden has the institutional input he would then reach out to Prime Minister Imran Khan," a source familiar with the development said.

Pakistan has been seeking a paradigm shift in its ties with the US. Unlike the past, Islamabad wants relationships to be based on economy and trade rather than solely focusing on security and Afghanistan.

At a recent meeting in Geneva, newly appointed National Security Adviser Dr Moeed Yusuf presented a "blueprint" to his US counterpart Jake Sullivan.

The blueprint envisages Pakistan's priorities for future cooperation with the US. Washington on the other hand wants Islamabad to first play its role in the Afghan endgame.

It is believed that the US-Pakistan bilateral cooperation would depend on how the Afghanistan situation unfolds in the coming months. It is said that the US first wants Pakistan to deliver on the Afghanistan front before offering any cooperation in other areas.
 
ISLAMABAD: US Senator Lindsey Graham is stunned to hear that President Joe Biden has yet to get in touch with Prime Minister Imran Khan regarding the US-Pakistan relationship and Afghanistan.

He expressed his disbelief over the situation in a Twitter thread Tuesday.

The decision by the Biden administration to withdraw all forces and not stay engaged with Pakistan is a major disaster in the making, even worse than the blunder in Iraq, the US senator wrote.

Graham asked how the US expects its withdrawal from Afghanistan to be effective without coordinating with Pakistan. "Clearly the Biden Administration believes that our problems in Afghanistan are behind us,” he wrote.

President Biden’s reluctance to engage with Pakistani leaders was highlighted in an interview PM Khan gave to an American television channel earlier this week when the interviewer asked him if he had spoken to Biden since he took office. “No, I have not,” the prime minister said.

“Is there a reason for that?” the interviewer asked. “Whenever he has time, he can speak to me. But now, clearly, he has other priorities,” the prime minister said.

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Pakistan is ready to face any consequences but will not permit the US to establish any airbases on its soil, the military leadership informed a select members of parliament from both sides of the aisle on Thursday.

The Parliamentary Committee on National Security was also informed that the US appeared to be deliberately leaving behind a “mismanaged and unstable” Afghanistan in order to undermine China, Pakistan and the region.

“Pakistan is not going to give military bases to the US; we are not going to fight their proxy war,” a participant of the meeting said, after attending the briefing, adding: “The US is once again leaving behind an unfinished job.”

“Nearly 70,000 people were martyred since the US did it the first time,” the lawmaker said.

According to the parliamentarian, the briefing also suggested that the “US doesn’t want to see peace in the region” while emphasising that “peace in Afghanistan is important for Pakistan”.

Referring to the briefing, a key government minister also confirmed that Pakistan has decided that it will not give bases to the US and was ready to face the consequences of its decision.

The PTI cabinet member said that the military leadership has told that neither any bases were given to the US since 2018 nor was there any drone attack, saying the same was earlier decided in a cabinet meeting. “The military leadership has basically reiterated what the government has already decided,” he said

On the absence of Prime Minister Imran Khan from the meeting, the cabinet minister said, “The prime minister wanted to attend the session but the PML-N gave a message to the National Assembly speaker that they would walk out from the meeting if the premier comes to attend it.” Sharing more details, he said, PPP Chairman Bilawal Bhutto Zardari pointed out in his speech that the PM’s absence from such an important meeting was not a good gesture. To this, he said, the speaker asked him to “enquire from Shehbaz Sharif why the PM is absent”.

Read more: Pakistan desires good ties with US, Afghanistan: NSA

Inside the assembly hall, which was declared a committee premises for the session, a screen was installed right beneath the National Assembly speaker’s desk.

On the one side of the screen, Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Qamar Javed Bajwa and Director-General of the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) Lt-Gen Faiz Hameed sat, while on the other side Speaker Qaiser and the NA secretary sat.

In the session, which lasted for over six hours with several breaks, the army chief and the DG ISI gave detailed presentations, highlighting “Pakistan-sponsored and coordinated” efforts for the Afghan peace process and answered lawmakers’ questions.

Those who attended the session said that the Afghan issue was discussed at length. They also said that Kashmir and internal issues as well as some external issues would be discussed in the next session which was expected in a few days.

While elaborating, another lawmaker said that the military leadership told the participants that Pakistan played key role in the Afghan peace deal and had been trying to make President Ashraf Ghani and the Taliban to sit across the table.

“We have tried but the Taliban are not ready to sit down since the US has announced the date for withdrawal from Afghanistan,” he said. “The US dream of introducing a democratic system could not be achieved as it is unacceptable to the Taliban, who wish to run the system based on Sharia,” he added.

The military leadership, according to insiders, told the participants that civil war had already begun in Afghanistan but reports of gains by the Afghan Taliban were exaggerated and that Kabul was not immediately falling down.

“Kabul is not going to fall down in the near future. The real resistance will begin at Kabul,” said one participant, while sharing the assessment of military authorities. Yet another lawmaker, while confirming the same, said that Taliban were gaining hold of several other areas with a rapid speed.

The meeting was informed that the major worry is the influx of new refugees, which the meeting was told, Pakistan didn’t have the capacity to handle.

While main opposition leaders, including Shehbaz Sharif, Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari and others, were in attendance, Prime Minister Imran Khan was conspicuous by his absence. Apart from the COAS and the ISI DG, the Director-General of the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) Maj-Gen Babar Iftikhar were also in attendance.

In the briefing, the parliamentarians were informed about the impending Afghan challenge and Pakistan’s strategy. The military authorities painted a grim picture of the future of Afghanistan and informed the committee about the negative fallout of the new wave of unrest in the neighbouring country.

Several participants, who spoke on condition of anonymity, felt that there was nothing new in the briefing except that it was given in a more elaborate manner both by the army chief and the ISI DG.

The closed-door meeting was convened against the backdrop of precarious security situation in the Afghanistan, which could have grave implications for Pakistan.

PML-N’s Ahsan Iqbal, while refraining from talking about the in-camera briefing, said that the government should call a joint session of parliament and prepare a national response in line with the suggestions given by the lawmakers.

He said that Afghanistan was a direct challenge for Pakistan as the situation there gravely impacted the country.

Brief discussions with several other lawmakers, who leaving the assembly premises after the meeting, revealed that the discussion took place in a smooth way and all the questions were answered.

Senior US and military officials have already warned that a civil war in Afghanistan will affect Pakistan the most. The unrest in Afghanistan will likely trigger a fresh wave of refugees, embolden terrorist groups, and create a host of other challenges for Pakistan.

Islamabad has played a key role in bringing the Afghan Taliban to the negotiating table that led to the signing of landmark Doha deal. However, Prime Minister Imran said that Pakistan’s influence over the group had greatly diminished after the US gave a timeline for troop withdrawal.

US President Joe Biden after a long and hard review of the Afghan situation had announced in April that all US troops would come back home by September 11. However, the process of drawdown was likely to complete much ahead of the deadline, as the US and NATO forces have already withdrawn much of their forces.

Since the troop withdrawal began, the Afghan Taliban have made rapid inroads, capturing several districts even in the north, which never remained their stronghold. The UN even warned that the Taliban were laying a siege around big cities, including capital Kabul, to take over.

The senior US commander in Afghanistan hinted at the possible air strikes against the Taliban if they did not stop their march. Against this backdrop, the ISI DG informed the meeting that Pakistan with all its honesty played a positive and constructive role that helped brought the Taliban to the negotiating table.

“We strongly believe that the durable peace in Afghanistan is prerequisite for the peace in South Asia,” the parliamentarians were told by the military leadership.

As per the handout issued by the ministry information, the participants were given a comprehensive briefing on the current situation in Afghanistan, Kashmir and the overall internal and external security challenges.

The meeting was informed that Pakistan would welcome a “true representative government” in Afghanistan, while continue to play its constructive role in facilitating the peace in the neighbouring country.

The meeting was also that Pakistan’s territory was not being used in the ongoing conflict in Afghanistan, a clear reference to allegations often levelled by certain elements in Kabul that the Taliban were operating out of Pakistan.

Similarly, the meeting was informed that Islamabad expected the same from Afghanistan that it would not let its soil to be used against Pakistan.

The issue of airbases to the US also one of the subjects of discussion and the meeting was informed that Pakistan would not get indulged into someone else’s war.

Prime Minister Imran also made it clear the other day that Pakistan would be “partner in peace but not in conflict” in a clear message to the US, which wanted to maintain over-the-horizon capability for counterterrorism operations in Afghanistan after leaving the country.

According to the handout, the participants of the meeting expressed satisfaction over the briefing. The Parliamentary Committee on National Security after question-and-answer session presented their recommendations that would be incorporated in Pakistan’s policy on Afghanistan and other important issues.
 
Biden is a garbage president!
Warmonger, anti-Pakistan and anti-progress. He is a closet fascist and Islamophobe. He is a zionist who would support killings of children by Israel. He is a third class human being who would support India's massacre of innocent Kashmiris, while there is abundant of evidence and footage of it. He would accuse China of atrocities, though the truth remains that China has kicked american butt in economic prosperity.

World is better without garbage presidents like Biden.
 
The American govts policy doesn't change with Presidents. Whether its Biden, Trump, Obama, Bush etc the Americans want to dictate and don't take too kindly to no. Its because of our criminal politicians that we are so indebted to these haraamis. They have brought us nothing but misery, but the elite have benefitted and that's why IKs decision is a seminal moment for PK.
 
the game is changing rapidly. The US is scrambling to counter the new multipolar world. Hence why its focusing on an area it knows relatively well in the pacific. Its letting its proxies deal with other areas for now while it makes plans for the future. But things are moving so quickly it may be too late for them. Time will tell.

their main proxies are Isreal (strong and a major power in the mid east)
Japan,australia and its pacific command in the pacific, with south korea too.
NATO in europe to contain Russia
India in south asia to contain china and create havoc in central asia etc.

out of all of these the only Isreal looks like its strong enough militarily to really hold neighbours in check.
europe needs NATO
the pacific needs the pacific command.
India needs..well they need a competent armed forces. They dont have that at the moment
 
the Great Khan said:
the game is changing rapidly. The US is scrambling to counter the new multipolar world. Hence why its focusing on an area it knows relatively well in the pacific. Its letting its proxies deal with other areas for now while it makes plans for the future. But things are moving so quickly it may be too late for them. Time will tell.

their main proxies are Isreal (strong and a major power in the mid east)
Japan,australia and its pacific command in the pacific, with south korea too.
NATO in europe to contain Russia
India in south asia to contain china and create havoc in central asia etc.

out of all of these the only Isreal looks like its strong enough militarily to really hold neighbours in check.
europe needs NATO
the pacific needs the pacific command.
India needs..well they need a competent armed forces. They dont have that at the moment
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Youve been watching to much zaid hamid.

Calm down on that stuff, its like a drug.

Pakistan almost has the same history as israel does, and both were created by the british and sucked into western capitalist organisations at the begining (IMF, WB, Seato, Cento etc.)
both militaries are also created by american dollars, wheter you like it or not, the whole airforce and army of pakistan runs on american hardware and equipment, most of the army is trained in american too.
both countries get way to much american aid.

Clearly if America supports anyone in this region its not india with an army full of ancient soviet equipment. Its pakistan.
 
PetroDollars said:
Youve been watching to much zaid hamid.

Calm down on that stuff, its like a drug.

Pakistan almost has the same history as israel does, and both were created by the british and sucked into western capitalist organisations at the begining (IMF, WB, Seato, Cento etc.)
both militaries are also created by american dollars, wheter you like it or not, the whole airforce and army of pakistan runs on american hardware and equipment, most of the army is trained in american too.
both countries get way to much american aid.

Clearly if America supports anyone in this region its not india with an army full of ancient soviet equipment. Its pakistan.
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there are so many inaccuracies in what you have said.
Firstly I have been reading and studying around this subject for a very long time.
Secondly the pakistan military is primarily based on british tradition. Yes they have had american training but they have their own doctrine. It is too simplistic to just say "oh well they are trained but americans".
The majority of our army equipment is now non american. If it were mostly american we would be begging for spares. The M113 APC'S are built in taxila, the two versions of al khalid also built at HIT, all of our bullets are homemade so are our small arms. We build our own anti tank weapons and even our military clothing is homegrown now. Air defences are a mix of french, chinese and others.

The airforce uses american f16s but they are the only american fighter aircraft in our inventory.
The navy is mostly french, chinese, and now turkish. Yes we have harpoons and exocets but also chinese missiles and homegrown ones too.

America does not support Pakistan. It tolerates us. India is the boy they want but after covid they may be having second thoughts.
 
National Security Adviser (NSA) Dr Moeed Yusuf and his US counterpart Jake Sullivan discussed the ‘urgent need for a reduction in violence in Afghanistan’ and agreed to ‘sustain the momentum in Pak-US bilateral cooperation’ during a meeting in Washington on Thursday.

NSA Moeed left for a crucial visit to the United States on July 26 as part of efforts by Pakistan to reset the fragile relationship with Washington. DG ISI Lt General Faiz Hameed is also accompanying the NSA during the official trip.

This was their second meeting after Geneva in May, where Moeed shared Pakistan’s “blueprint” seeking broad-based cooperation with the US.

In a tweet, Moeed said he had a ‘positive follow-up meeting’ with Sullivan and took ‘stock of progress made since our Geneva meeting and discussed bilateral, regional and global issues of mutual interest’.

Sullivan remarked that during the meeting with his Pakistani counterpart, regional connectivity and security, and other areas of mutual cooperation were discussed along with a need for a ‘negotiated political settlement to the conflict’ in Afghanistan.

The NSA’s visit was part of high-level bilateral engagements between the two countries, which were agreed between him and his counterpart Sullivan in their last meeting in Geneva.

Relations between Pakistan and the US have remained transactional but Islamabad has been pushing for ties that go beyond security and Afghanistan.

However, the US administration has not yet given a positive response to Pakistan’s efforts as President Biden has not even spoken to Prime Minister Imran khan.
 
United States Secretary of State Antony Blinken has said he looks forward to advancing shared US-Pakistan goals of security, stability and prosperity in South Asia while continuing to collaborate on the Afghan peace process.

In a message issued by the State Department on Pakistan’s Independence Day, the top US diplomat extended “best wishes” to the people of Pakistan on behalf of his government.

For more than seven decades, Blinken said the United States and Pakistan have worked together in partnership.

Read US a ‘friend’, says FO after PM’s critical remarks

Over the past year, he added that the US has expanded the cooperation in key areas such as health, where the US is providing 5.5 million Moderna vaccine doses through COVAX to help save lives and end the Covid-19 pandemic.

“In addition, we continue to collaborate to advance the Afghan peace process, boost economic ties, and address the climate crisis,” he said.

“I look forward to strengthening our relationship in years to come as we look for opportunities to advance our shared goals of security, stability, and prosperity in South Asia,” Blinken added.
 
WASHINGTON: Two key concerns – losing a nuclear-armed country to China and having no influence over the Taliban — prevent the Biden administration from moving further away from Pakistan, shows a set of documents leaked to the media.

The Politico — a news outlet that covers the US capital city – published a report on Friday on messages exchanged between Washington and Islamabad recently.

The messages also show that “the Biden administration is quietly pressing Pakistan to cooperate on fighting terrorist groups such as ISIS and Al Qaeda in the wake of the Taliban takeover of Afghanistan,” the report claimed.

The messages show that Washington sees Pakistan as “a nation with links to the Afghan Taliban whose cooperation on fighting terrorism can be helpful. It’s also a nuclear-armed country American officials would prefer not to lose entirely to the Chinese influence,” the report added.

Leaked documents show ‘the Biden administration is quietly pressing Pakistan to cooperate on fighting terrorist groups’

In response, Pakistan “has hinted that Islamabad deserves more public recognition of its role in helping people now fleeing Afghanistan, even as it has downplayed fears of what Taliban rule of the country could mean,” the report adds.

On Wednesday, US Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland included Pakistan on a list of countries that provided “critical support” to US evacuation efforts. “We are enormously grateful” to these countries, who have helped transit Americans and others to safety.” Previous US statements had omitted Pakistan.

The exchanges between the US and Pakistan “suggest that the two governments are far from lockstep on the road ahead, even now that the United States has pulled its troops from Afghanistan,” Politico observed.

In one discussion with a US official, Pakistan’s Ambassador Asad Majeed Khan appeared to question reports that the Taliban were carrying out revenge attacks in Afghanistan.

Quoting Pakistani “ground observations,” Ambassador Khan told the US officials that the Afghan Taliban “were not seeking retribution, and in fact they were going home to home to assure Afghans that there will not be reprisals.”

The US official, Ervin Massinga of the State Department, however, said that “he has seen reports to the contrary and hopes the Taliban do not seek revenge.”

The leaked documents include messages from the US Embassy, Islamabad, telling Washington that they were “being strained by the Afghan refugee crisis” and seeking guidance on how to deal with the situation.

The meeting between Mr. Massinga and Ambassador Khan took place on Aug. 26, the day that some 170 Afghans and 13 US troops were killed in a bombing at the Kabul airport. US officials have blamed the attack on the militant Islamic State group, seen as a rival of the Afghan Taliban.

An official description of the meeting shows that Ambassador Khan offered condolences and the use of Pakistani medical facilities. The US official, however, suggested that Pakistan could help on other fronts.

“Acknowledging the tragedy, Mr. Massinga underscored the mutual interest Pakistan and the United States have in targeting ISIS and Al Qaeda.” In response, Ambassador Khan “acknowledged ISIS was a common enemy for the Taliban as well.”

Mr. Massinga expressed appreciation for Pakistan’s role in helping evacuees get out of Afghanistan, according to the meeting notes. The portions seen by POLITICO did not specify exactly what Pakistan was doing.

At one point in the talk, however, Ambassador “Khan intimated the Pakistani government would also appreciate public acknowledgment for the country’s assistance on the evacuation front.” An Aug. 20 statement of gratitude from Blinken to several countries for their help in the evacuations did not mention Pakistan.

Aside from his questioning of the reports about Taliban reprisals, Mr. Khan also said that “the Taliban were not stopping any third country nationals from getting to [the Kabul airport] but acknowledged there were some issues with Afghans getting through checkpoints.” Mr. Khan also highlighted Pakistan’s “effort in pushing the Taliban (while acknowledging it was increasingly difficult to get in contact with them) to form an inclusive government in Kabul.”

A separate message obtained by POLITICO contains an Aug. 28 cable described as “an urgent request for guidance” on how to deal with “a rapidly increasing number of requests to assist Afghans in Pakistan” who were or claimed to be eligible for resettlement to the United States.

In many of the cases, the embassy referred inquiries to the United Nations refugee agency or partner NGOs. But it was struggling to handle requests “from offices within the State Department and the interagency — as well as from international organizations, sponsors, and individual applicants, some of whom have appeared in person” to deal with myriad specific cases that included helping people arriving at the Afghan-Pakistan border.

The embassy officials asked for guidance on several questions, such as how they should help Afghans with a Special Immigrant Visa application “in process but not yet approved,” and those who say they are eligible for that visa program or others but who have no referrals on file.

Embassy officials indicated that things would only get harder as more Afghans ‘cross into Pakistan over land.”

Two days later, on Aug. 30, the embassy issued a staff notice, obtained by POLITICO, announcing it was creating a “task force for Afghanistan-Pakistan issues.”

The goal of the unit, the notice said, was “to lead and coordinate the mission’s response to humanitarian, refugee, evacuee, and related issues associated with Afghanistan.”

Published in Dawn, September 4th, 2021
 
https://www.dawn.com/news/1647061/biden-faced-unfair-criticism-over-afghanistan-troop-withdrawal-pm-imran

Prime Minister Imran Khan said he believed US President Joe Biden was targeted with "unfair criticism" over troops withdrawal from Afghanistan, terming his decision to pull out troops “the most sensible thing to do.”

In an interview with Russian broadcaster RT, the premier referred to former Afghan president Ashraf Ghani fleeing the country and the army surrendering a week before departure of foreign forces.

"How can you prepare for that?” he asked.

"So there was so much unfair criticism of President Biden, and what he did was the most sensible thing to do," said PM Imran while commending the US president for his decision.

When asked about the kind of relationship he had with Biden, Imran said his government had ties with the US. "Our security chiefs keep exchanging views about Afghanistan," he added.

The prime minister also said he wasn't sure whether the US had any coherent policy on what they were going to do in the war-ravaged country.

He also called upon the United States to devise a strategy if a humanitarian crisis broke out triggered by a feared halt in international help to Afghanistan.

"There will be far-reaching consequences in terms of the refugee problem, which Pakistan and Iran will feel more as they have taken more number of refugees," he cautioned.

The premier stressed the US had a big role to play, as it was there [in Afghanistan] for 20 years.

The only reason the US invaded Afghanistan, he said, was terrorism.

"What would be the achievement if Afghan soil becomes a place for terrorists again. We should not let Afghanistan drift towards another crisis," emphasised the PM.

The premier said he was deeply hurt by the remarks of US senators against Pakistan over the Afghan debacle.

"Pakistan is the country that gave the greatest number of sacrifices for the US in its war," PM Imran said.

“We were asked to become part of this coalition when Pakistan had nothing to do with 9/11 as there wasn't any Pakistani involved. We had no reason to enter the war."

He said it was painful to see the US making Pakistan a scapegoat for its failures.

PM Imran also dispelled the impression that Pakistan allegedly helped the Taliban in the fight against US forces.

“If we believe this is the case, it means Pakistan is stronger than the US and the whole of the Europeans."

He said it was all propaganda by the "puppet" Afghan government led by Ashraf Ghani to cover up its "incompetence, corruption and inability" to govern the country.

He also called out India for sponsoring propaganda to defame Pakistan, saying Delhi had heavily invested in Afghanistan for its nefarious designs.

The prime minister underlined that Pakistan was working with all neighbours of Afghanistan on a mechanism to recognise the Taliban government. He stressed upon the new Afghan rulers to form an inclusive government, which he said was a key to long-term stability in the country.

According to him, "There are people within the Taliban who feel the government will remain unstable unless they get all other minorities under the umbrella."

PM Imran noted that the Taliban were a reality now and the world didn't have a choice except to incentivise them for a stable country.

"The international community must encourage them to walk this path and hopefully it will lead to peace."

He warned that Afghanistan will collapse if the world put sanctions on it. "Around 75 per cent of the country's budget is through aid, and if this monetary assistance is stopped, the country will fall."
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No amount of fake narratives about india is going to convince the world .

It's a fact india has contributed for development of Afghanistan with dams, parliament building, highways, schools, hospitals etc.. and Western world already know this.

So pakistan should atleast do something in Afghanistan instead of passing narratives day in and out to deflect from truth.
 
globalcitizen said:
No amount of fake narratives about india is going to convince the world .

It's a fact india has contributed for development of Afghanistan with dams, parliament building, highways, schools, hospitals etc.. and Western world already know this.

So pakistan should atleast do something in Afghanistan instead of passing narratives day in and out to deflect from truth.
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Pakistan has hosted 3 million Afghan refugees.

Indian public cant stand 3 Afghans walking on their streets never mind 3 million. You know more than me that India government had certain motives in Afghanistan. It dont give a crap otherwise. I would suggest to go and build some hospitals in India first. The world say the chaos around India healthcare in some of the large cities, forget about rural areas.
 
I voted for him ( but actually against Trump ) but now it looks like Biden is not good for any country , even for USA.

Bush, Obama , Trump and now this 1/2 dementic old man, why can;t we have "normal" president.
 
moghul said:
I voted for him ( but actually against Trump ) but now it looks like Biden is not good for any country , even for USA.

Bush, Obama , Trump and now this 1/2 dementic old man, why can;t we have "normal" president.
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Biden has turned out to be the worst from the lot. A gutless, dumb old man.
 
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