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Melbourne has finally lost the title of world's most liveable city after a seven-year reign.

The Australian city came in second place on the Economist Intelligence Unit's 2018 ranking of the world's most liveable cities, missing out on the top spot by just 0.7%.

It was pipped to the post by Vienna, which received an overall score of 99.1% on the annual list, which assesses stability, healthcare, culture and environment, education and infrastructure in 140 different cities.

EIU attributes Austria's capital's rise to the top to increased security scores due to a return to relative stability across much of Europe after high-profile terrorist attacks in recent years.

Melbourne's unseating isn't the only noticeable shift after years of very little change among the highest ranks.

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Japan's Osaka and Tokyo have now moved up into the top ten, coming in third and seventh place respectively.

Both cities achieved their highest ranking on the survey this year thanks to a decline in crime rates as well as improvements in public transportation.

"Osaka stands out especially, having climbed six positions, to third place, over the past six months, closing the gap with Melbourne," the EIU's annual ranking report summary says.

"It is now separated from the former top-ranked city by a mere 0.7 of a percentage point. Osaka's improvements in scores for quality and availability of public transportation, as well as a consistent decline in crime rates, have contributed to higher ratings in the infrastructure and stability categories respectively."

Hamburg and Helsinki, who held tenth and ninth place last year, have dropped out of the top ten.

This year's ninth place spot went to Copenhagen, who achieved a score of 96.8%, making it the only other European city in the top rankings.

And while Australia may have missed out on first place this time, three of its cities were among the best scoring, with Adelaide (96.6%) and Sydney (97.4%) coming behind Melbourne in 10th and fifth place.

Canada performed well as well, with Toronto tying with Tokyo for seventh position on a score of 97.2% and Calgary (97.5%) and Vancouver (97.3%) taking fourth and sixth place respectively.

Biggest improvements, falls

According to the report, global business centers tend to be victims of their own success. "The 'big city buzz' that they enjoy can overstretch infrastructure and cause higher crime rates," it says.

For instance, New York (57th), London (48th) and Paris (19th) are all prestigious hubs with plenty of great recreational activities, but all suffer from higher levels of crime, congestion and public transport problems than are deemed comfortable.

That said, "they still sit within the highest tier of liveability, especially when contrasted with the worst-scoring locations."

Meanwhile the French capital and the UK's Manchester, whose rankings have fallen in previous years due to terrorist attacks, recorded the biggest improvements of the past 12 months in overall scores and stability ratings.

"Although they have been subject to high-profile terrorist attacks in recent years, which have shaken stability and led to cumbersome security measures, both cities have shown resilience in the face of adversity," the report adds.

"Nevertheless, with such high scores already in place, the impact of these improvements has not been enough to significantly affect livability in any of the top-tier cities."

It was also good news for Hong Kong, which saw a dramatic fall in its ranking back in 2015. The Asian city achieved a score of 91.3% this time round, moving up to 35th place.

However, fellow Asian cities Kuala Lumpur, Kathmandu, Colombo and Dhaka didn't fare as well, with all four listed among the nine cities whose livability ranking has declined in the past year.

Puerto Rico's San Juan, which was hit by two hurricanes in 2017, experienced the sharpest fall, dropping 21 places down the list to 89th place, with a score of 69.8%.

Unsurprisingly Syria's war-torn capital Damascus continues to languish at the bottom of the list, with an overall score of 30.7.

Bangladesh's Dhaka and Nigeria's Lagos were just above at 139th and 138th place, scoring 38.0% and 38.5% respectively.

On a larger scale, global livability has improved for the second year in a row, increasing from 74.8% last year to 75.7% in 2018.

Most liveable cities 2018:
1. Vienna, Austria
2. Melbourne, Australia
3. Osaka, Japan
4. Calgary, Canada
5. Sydney, Australia
6. Vancouver, Canada
7. (tie) Toronto, Canada
7. (tie) Tokyo, Japan
9. Copenhagen, Denmark
10. Adelaide, Australia


https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/worlds-most-liveable-cities-2018/index.html
 
It is interesting to see that Adelaide is somehow managing to stick to top 10 in the rankings :)
 
Karachi has the most potential among all the cities in Pakistan as it's a Port City.

If Karachi get attention of the ruling government and it's deserving share from the revenue that is generated, then it could become the Dubai of South Asia.
 
Karachi has the most potential among all the cities in Pakistan as it's a Port City.

If Karachi get attention of the ruling government and it's deserving share from the revenue that is generated, then it could become the Dubai of South Asia.

I am surprised that you mention Karachi, because not only is it ranked the least liveable city in Asia, but 7th least liveable in the world. https://www.dawn.com/news/1427079

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Karachi has the most potential among all the cities in Pakistan as it's a Port City.

If Karachi get attention of the ruling government and it's deserving share from the revenue that is generated, then it could become the Dubai of South Asia.

LOL at Karachi

worst traffic
worst polltion air,noise
worst law and order
no infrastructure,planning

it will take atleast 50 years for karachi to appear in that list if govt works honestly on the city.
 
Btw, Sri Lankan cities don't need to be dragged with the rest of us here. They are usually much cleaner.
 
Interesting that London, New York and Paris are so low in the table comparatively due to overcrowding and traffic congestion. It's a double edged sword, while no other cities will provide that big city buzz, it's probably better for tourism than actual day to day living.
 
Btw, Sri Lankan cities don't need to be dragged with the rest of us here. They are usually much cleaner.

Cities like Dehradun as well. Infact most cities in UK, HP as well as North East have a good chance given proper Infrastructure is developed soon.
Mussoorie and Dalhousie for instance.
Heck Nainital alone is more beautiful than all the tier 1 cities in India combined.
 
Not the existing cities. Perhaps a well planned New city might.

Existing cities are beyond pathetic.
 
Cities like Dehradun as well. Infact most cities in UK, HP as well as North East have a good chance given proper Infrastructure is developed soon.
Mussoorie and Dalhousie for instance.
Heck Nainital alone is more beautiful than all the tier 1 cities in India combined.

Yes, the places you mention are really clean despite being fairly populated. Must be a cultural thing or maybe due to a lack of migration from rest of the country.
 
If Bahria Town ever gets to be its own city then yes.

Islamabad had potential, but CDA is destroying it day by day.
 
I think the ranking of Karachi as amongst the least livable is gross over-estimation and just relying on what is reported in the western media. I have grown up in the city and also recently travelled there for three weeks from one of the most livable (Toronto) to one to the least as per this report, and the difference wasn't as massive as this report is making it out to be.


Sure Karachi has infrastructure issues but those who live in Toronto can attest to the fact that average commute is an hour each way for MAJORITY of commuters. The subway system frequently breaks down and God forbid if someone pulls the emergency alarm on a subway then the entire line is delayed by atleast 20-30 mins. All the major highways are jam packed from 3-7pm and even a trip that would take 20 mins on non-rush hour times usually takes over an hour. What use is this spectacular infrastructure if the city cannot even handle less than half the people that Karachi handles? Speaking of law and order, there has been multiple fold improvement in law and order in the city. People were out and about with their families till very late at night without any fear of crime. Infact this year alone there have been more mass shootings in Toronto than Karachi. Heck I don't even remember a single major terrorist event in Karachi in 2018 while there have atleast half a dozen in Toronto.


Add to that the weather, Toronto is essentially in-habitable for atleast four months of the year when it is too cold to be outside for more than half an hour. I guess that didn't get factored in the "most livable city" ranking.
 
I think the ranking of Karachi as amongst the least livable is gross over-estimation and just relying on what is reported in the western media. I have grown up in the city and also recently travelled there for three weeks from one of the most livable (Toronto) to one to the least as per this report, and the difference wasn't as massive as this report is making it out to be.


Sure Karachi has infrastructure issues but those who live in Toronto can attest to the fact that average commute is an hour each way for MAJORITY of commuters. The subway system frequently breaks down and God forbid if someone pulls the emergency alarm on a subway then the entire line is delayed by atleast 20-30 mins. All the major highways are jam packed from 3-7pm and even a trip that would take 20 mins on non-rush hour times usually takes over an hour. What use is this spectacular infrastructure if the city cannot even handle less than half the people that Karachi handles? Speaking of law and order, there has been multiple fold improvement in law and order in the city. People were out and about with their families till very late at night without any fear of crime. Infact this year alone there have been more mass shootings in Toronto than Karachi. Heck I don't even remember a single major terrorist event in Karachi in 2018 while there have atleast half a dozen in Toronto.


Add to that the weather, Toronto is essentially in-habitable for atleast four months of the year when it is too cold to be outside for more than half an hour. I guess that didn't get factored in the "most livable city" ranking.

Stop exaggerating.

Its Toronto, not Yellowknife.
 
Stop exaggerating.

Its Toronto, not Yellowknife.

First read this:

https://www.toronto.ca/community-pe.../health-programs-advice/extreme-cold-weather/

And then this:


https://www.toronto.ca/city-governm...cs-on-extreme-cold-weather-alerts-in-toronto/



In the 2017-2018 season the first day marked as "extreme cold weather" was Nov 9 which means it became severely cold from mid Oct onwards. Winter is not like a switch that one day it is extreme cold and next day it is bright and sunny beach day. The last "extreme cold weather" day was marked as Feb 12. Again the same rules apply, meaning cold weather would have persisted till atleast end of Feb or early March.




It's always handy to not argue about things you don't know much about.
 
Sad to see Karachi near the bottom of most liveable cities. Hope to see a massive rejuvenation of Pakistan's biggest city under IK.
 
Yes, the places you mention are really clean despite being fairly populated. Must be a cultural thing or maybe due to a lack of migration from rest of the country.

Has to be a cultural thing. I have found,in general, Paharis to be more cleanliness loving than unhygienic jahil people from plains.
There's a reason why Bemaru states are named as such.
 
Islamabad. If the downtrodden area's can be developed it can be in that exclusive league. Much of the city is already comparable with western standards although it has been a while since I visited. I hear the people have already messed up the new airport.
 
First read this:

https://www.toronto.ca/community-pe.../health-programs-advice/extreme-cold-weather/

And then this:


https://www.toronto.ca/city-governm...cs-on-extreme-cold-weather-alerts-in-toronto/



In the 2017-2018 season the first day marked as "extreme cold weather" was Nov 9 which means it became severely cold from mid Oct onwards. Winter is not like a switch that one day it is extreme cold and next day it is bright and sunny beach day. The last "extreme cold weather" day was marked as Feb 12. Again the same rules apply, meaning cold weather would have persisted till atleast end of Feb or early March.




It's always handy to not argue about things you don't know much about.

lived there, it isn't that cold compared to other cities.
 
Islamabad. If the downtrodden area's can be developed it can be in that exclusive league. Much of the city is already comparable with western standards although it has been a while since I visited. I hear the people have already messed up the new airport.

There is this wrong perception that Islamabad is just that one belt That starts from F11 and goes till Pak sectariat. Yes that belt is beautiful, but that is not the only part of Islamabad. The Express way belt is very ugly. The illegal housing scheme has ruined that area.

Islamabadis could pretend all they want that Islamabad is only that single belt, but it extends till DHA 1.

The expressway area of Islamabad is just very poor.
 
Its hard in cities like Chicago so Toronto should be even worse [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] during winter, if you don't have a car even very warm coat is not enough for just going for grocery, I can vouch for that as I had a hard time last winter.
 
Its hard in cities like Chicago so Toronto should be even worse [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] during winter, if you don't have a car even very warm coat is not enough for just going for grocery, I can vouch for that as I had a hard time last winter.

areas like Ottawa were worse for me.

I use to walk to school in toronto never found the weather to be that bad, it was quite bearable.
 
very proud of Australia to have 3 cities in the top 10, meanwhile I would never live in Adelaide ;/
 
I think the ranking of Karachi as amongst the least livable is gross over-estimation and just relying on what is reported in the western media. I have grown up in the city and also recently travelled there for three weeks from one of the most livable (Toronto) to one to the least as per this report, and the difference wasn't as massive as this report is making it out to be.


Sure Karachi has infrastructure issues but those who live in Toronto can attest to the fact that average commute is an hour each way for MAJORITY of commuters. The subway system frequently breaks down and God forbid if someone pulls the emergency alarm on a subway then the entire line is delayed by atleast 20-30 mins. All the major highways are jam packed from 3-7pm and even a trip that would take 20 mins on non-rush hour times usually takes over an hour. What use is this spectacular infrastructure if the city cannot even handle less than half the people that Karachi handles? Speaking of law and order, there has been multiple fold improvement in law and order in the city. People were out and about with their families till very late at night without any fear of crime. Infact this year alone there have been more mass shootings in Toronto than Karachi. Heck I don't even remember a single major terrorist event in Karachi in 2018 while there have atleast half a dozen in Toronto.


Add to that the weather, Toronto is essentially in-habitable for atleast four months of the year when it is too cold to be outside for more than half an hour. I guess that didn't get factored in the "most livable city" ranking.

I’m someone who gets irritated quite easily when someone from Toronto try to compare Toronto to major metropolitan cities of US, there isn’t any. But to say Toronto is inhabitable 4 months out of a year is pure exaggeration. Sure, there are days when you can’t drive because of snow storm but still it doesn’t become inhabitable.
 
There is this wrong perception that Islamabad is just that one belt That starts from F11 and goes till Pak sectariat. Yes that belt is beautiful, but that is not the only part of Islamabad. The Express way belt is very ugly. The illegal housing scheme has ruined that area.

Islamabadis could pretend all they want that Islamabad is only that single belt, but it extends till DHA 1.

The expressway area of Islamabad is just very poor.

That is what I am saying that there is still a lot of work to be done in Islamabad however the potential is there. The general mild climate of the city and greenery is also in it's favour as well.
 
I’m someone who gets irritated quite easily when someone from Toronto try to compare Toronto to major metropolitan cities of US, there isn’t any. But to say Toronto is inhabitable 4 months out of a year is pure exaggeration. Sure, there are days when you can’t drive because of snow storm but still it doesn’t become inhabitable.

Exactly, but if you disagree with this poster he will make sure to get personal with you.


If toronto is inhabitable then whole canada would be because the weather in other cities of Canada is much worse.

Infact, out of all the canadian cities Toronto has the best weather. Its worse in other parts
 
Exactly, but if you disagree with this poster he will make sure to get personal with you.


If toronto is inhabitable then whole canada would be because the weather in other cities of Canada is much worse.

Infact, out of all the canadian cities Toronto has the best weather. Its worse in other parts

Obviously I was comparing Toronto's weather with Karachi's and not Toronto with rest of Canada. Don't blame me for your lack of comprehension skills.
 
Exactly, but if you disagree with this poster he will make sure to get personal with you.


If toronto is inhabitable then whole canada would be because the weather in other cities of Canada is much worse.

Infact, out of all the canadian cities Toronto has the best weather. Its worse in other parts

Vancouver is definitely better. Quite pleasant and their winters are a walk in the park compared to Toronto or any other Canadian city.

But places like Winnipeg, Edmonton, and Regina are truly horrific.

Surprisingly, one of the worst winters I ever experienced wasn't even in Canada. It was in Chicago! You couldn't even breathe it was that cold.
 
Obviously I was comparing Toronto's weather with Karachi's and not Toronto with rest of Canada. Don't blame me for your lack of comprehension skills.

4 months inhabitable :facepalm:

and yet this guy cant resist from getting personal. Seriously, grow up.
 
Vancouver is definitely better. Quite pleasant and their winters are a walk in the park compared to Toronto or any other Canadian city.

But places like Winnipeg, Edmonton, and Regina are truly horrific.

Surprisingly, one of the worst winters I ever experienced wasn't even in Canada. It was in Chicago! You couldn't even breathe it was that cold.

One thing i often found weird in Canada, now hear me out this might sound silly.

Yes in Toronto the temperature might drop below -10. But still for some reason you dont feel that cold. But in Pakistan when temperatures are as low as 5, i shiver like crazy.
 
One thing i often found weird in Canada, now hear me out this might sound silly.

Yes in Toronto the temperature might drop below -10. But still for some reason you dont feel that cold. But in Pakistan when temperatures are as low as 5, i shiver like crazy.

It's cause everything in north america is centrally airconditioned and buildings here are designed to keep heat in. Pakistani houses aren't designed for the winter and nor is central heating really needed there.
 
Vancouver is definitely better. Quite pleasant and their winters are a walk in the park compared to Toronto or any other Canadian city.

But places like Winnipeg, Edmonton, and Regina are truly horrific.

Surprisingly, one of the worst winters I ever experienced wasn't even in Canada. It was in Chicago! You couldn't even breathe it was that cold.

Yup, can't even walk!
 
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