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With a 4th consecutive 3-0 whitewash on the cards, (99/00, 04/05, 09/10) is it worth it anymore for Australia to invite Pakistan for 3 test tours during the Prime Summer months?

I don't see them booking in Pakistan again for 3 tests especially over Boxing/New years days. If they do ever come again, it will most likely be 2 tests in early November or 2 tests in winter played in Darwin and Cairns.

From a financial point of view it doesn't make sense either. The Australian public want to see Australia win, but they want some fight from the opposition. With Pakistan, 3rd test will always be a dead rubber, which means loss of interest and slow ticket sales.

Heck, even Sri Lanka managed a draw in Cairns against an ATG Australian side.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/64092.html

At least Sri Lanka has a decent ODI record in Australia but for Pakistan in ODI's its the same story too. Since 2003 they have played Aus in Aus in 11 ODI's, lost 10 and have won 1.

Someone please tell me why Australia should host Pakistan?
 
Well we did go seven years so its not like they invite us much anyway
 
Pakistan deserves 3 tests in Australia. Not some 2 tests.

Pakistan needs to get back to its basics and get fast bowlers and back them.This theory of packing the team with spinners and winning matches in UAE wont get them anywhere.
 
petercat said:
Pakistan deserves 3 tests in Australia. Not some 2 tests.

Pakistan needs to get back to its basics and get fast bowlers and back them.This theory of packing the team with spinners and winning matches in UAE wont get them anywhere.
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Pak has won a grand total of 1 test in Aus the last 35 years. And that's with Imran, Wasim, Waqar and rest....dont think Pak has ever had fast bowlers to win tests in Aus.
 
Ofcourse they will invite the asian teams, it helps to heal the wounds :faf
 
should Asian teams stop inviting Australia, when is the last time Australia was competitive in Asia?
 
Yep.

Asian teams should stop inviting Australia and England as well.
 
Australia beat Pakistan in SL/UAE in 2002.
They beat India in 2004.
Beat SL in 2004 and 2011.

Yes the last 4 or so years they have been bad but there streak is not as bad as mentioned in the OP.
 
Well Pakistan have gone there after 7 years.

So as it is, sides like Pakistan, SL and WI don't get invited often.

Aus play SA-Ind-Eng more often at home than they do with other sides.
 
Xoib said:
should Asian teams stop inviting Australia, when is the last time Australia was competitive in Asia?
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Against Pakistan taking out the Australian home matches Australia have won 7 tests and lost 10.

I'm not advocating Australia shun Pakistan but its not the right argument to bring up Australia's record in Asia.
 
Big Mac said:
Yep.

Asian teams should stop inviting Australia and England as well.
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Historically they have done well in Asia than we have done down under, so no need to get so touchy, it is not CA that is making this proposal but a disgruntled Pak fan upset with their collapse.
 
1st Test vs Australia in Brisbane.

Australia batted first and scored 463.

Pakistan were bowled out for 97.

Australia won by innings.

Guess the year ? 1995. No matter what we do in Australia, history always seems to repeat itself.
 
Markhor said:
1st Test vs Australia in Brisbane.

Australia batted first and scored 463.

Pakistan were bowled out for 97.

Australia won by innings.

Guess the year ? 1995. No matter what we do in Australia, history always seems to repeat itself.
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well its been repeeating for last 21 years

so another 3-0 with a couple of innings defeats?
 
Gilly said:
Against Pakistan taking out the Australian home matches Australia have won 7 tests and lost 10.

I'm not advocating Australia shun Pakistan but its not the right argument to bring up Australia's record in Asia.
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you were always great in Asia but last 5 years it has been embarrassing of course that does not justify Pakistan shambolic record in Australia
 
Slog said:
well its been repeeating for last 21 years

so another 3-0 with a couple of innings defeats?
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1981 - 1st Test in Perth - Pakistan bowled out for 62 in the 1st innings.

1983 - 1st Test in Perth - Pakistan bowled out for 129 in 1st inns.

1990 - 1st Test in Melbourne - Pakistan bowled for 107 in 1st inns.

1995 - 1st Test in Brisbane - Pakistan bowled for 97 in 1st inns.

2004 - 1st Test in Perth - Pakistan bowled out for 179 and 72.

So if anyone here is a new Pakistan fan who hasn't seen a tour of Australia before - welcome to the initiation !
 
Markhor said:
1st Test vs Australia in Brisbane.

Australia batted first and scored 463.

Pakistan were bowled out for 97.

Australia won by innings.

Guess the year ? 1995. No matter what we do in Australia, history always seems to repeat itself.
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We've actually done better, now I'm happy :))
 
nobody likes one sided matches but, matches are one sided across the globe..i.e those playing at home slaughter everyone at home, climb the rankings and then get whooped themselves in foreign conditions. Has been the case when England were no1 and lost in UAE, was the case when India hammered Australia at home and were on the receiving end in Australia and looks like its heading that way when Pak beat Australia in UAE and now are struggling in Brisbane. The series aint over but just raises the points that you need an attack for all seasons, not just home conditions. In the UAE Starc and Hazelwood were nullified here they rule the roost.
 
In the last 14 tests in asia australia have won 1 and lost 11.

In the last 13 tests in Australia pakistan have won 1 and lost 11.

Even stevens :asif
 
Good. I'd much rather see us play in England or South Africa. Or even better, go on an 18 month long home season in the UAE and get to #1 while dismantling all of these foreign teams in the desert.
 
JibranAnsari said:
In the last 14 tests in asia australia have won 1 and lost 11.

In the last 13 tests in Australia pakistan have won 1 and lost 11.

Even stevens :asif
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Since 1995

Tests won by Australia in Asia 9
Tests won by Pakistan in Australia 0

Like I said earlier I'm not endorsing Pakistan being shunned but using Australia's record in Asia is not the best argument to use because it only makes Pakistans record look worse.
 
JibranAnsari said:
Still they are awful , especially in India.
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If Australia is awful in India then what about India in Australia? They havn't even won a series there. I don't even know why you diverted the thread to their record in Asia. Come back to me when Australia gets whitewashed in the UAE 4 times in a row.
 
Torpedo said:
If Australia is awful in India then what about India in Australia? They havn't even won a series there. I don't even know why you diverted the thread to their record in Asia. Come back to me when Australia gets whitewashed in the UAE 4 times in a row.
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they are awful in asia and they should not get more than two tests in any of those countries in asia. That's the truth , by the whats australias test record in the last three series in india? o yes 0 wins. why dont we talk about them? Australia has been awful in india, lets talk about them getting only two test series in india from now on
 
Gilly said:
Since 1995

Tests won by Australia in Asia 9
Tests won by Pakistan in Australia 0

Like I said earlier I'm not endorsing Pakistan being shunned but using Australia's record in Asia is not the best argument to use because it only makes Pakistans record look worse.
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you are talking period and i am talking about number of matches they have played and won in the equal number of matches. its equally worse. Australia have been equally awful in their last 14 test matches in asia.
 
JibranAnsari said:
you are talking period and i am talking about number of matches they have played and won in the equal number of matches. its equally worse. Australia have been equally awful in their last 14 test matches in asia.
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Pakistan have been dreadful for over twenty years, Australia have won series in India, UAE and Sri Lanka in the last twenty years while Pakistan has not even won a test match in Australia in the last twenty years. They are not comparable.
 
Torpedo said:
If Australia is awful in India then what about India in Australia? They havn't even won a series there. I don't even know why you diverted the thread to their record in Asia. Come back to me when Australia gets whitewashed in the UAE 4 times in a row.
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Give 'em 3 more series.
 
Gilly said:
Pakistan have been dreadful for over twenty years, Australia have won series in India, UAE and Sri Lanka in the last twenty years while Pakistan has not even won a test match in Australia in the last twenty years. They are not comparable.
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Pakistan is really bad in down under, part of problem is that we played only 9 test in 20 years. This time we are coming after 6 years. Australia goes to Asia way more often. We go to SA/AUS (similar conditions) 3/4 times in entire decade.

Indian batsmen have improved their game in Australia, because they are playing with Australia once every other year. Batting is lot about practice or how often you play in particular conditions.

On bowling front, you need 3/4 6'5" bowlers to be successful, you need bowlers who can bounce the ball at fuller length. Since we don't play that often, we don't really focus on hitting the deck bowlers, because on Asia you need bowlers, who are quick through air, without hitting deck a whole lot. Plus reverse swing is vital, that requires slingy rather than high arm bowlers....but if we have been playing more often in bouncy conditions, we would have gone better. We were successful in England, because lot of our players were playing county cricket.
 
yasir said:
Pakistan is really bad in down under, part of problem is that we played only 9 test in 20 years. This time we are coming after 6 years. Australia goes to Asia way more often. We go to SA/AUS (similar conditions) 3/4 times in entire decade.

Indian batsmen have improved their game in Australia, because they are playing with Australia once every other year. Batting is lot about practice or how often you play in particular conditions.

On bowling front, you need 3/4 6'5" bowlers to be successful, you need bowlers who can bounce the ball at fuller length. Since we don't play that often, we don't really focus on hitting the deck bowlers, because on Asia you need bowlers, who are quick through air, without hitting deck a whole lot. Plus reverse swing is vital, that requires slingy rather than high arm bowlers....but if we have been playing more often in bouncy conditions, we would have gone better. We were successful in England, because lot of our players were playing county cricket.
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I can see Junaids in your thinking, by the way how tall is Rabada?.
 
Let's wait for the series to end before this emotional conjecture
 
Actually this match has played to a record non-Ashes crowd.

In many ways, Pakistan are the perfect guests.

They bowl much better than India - who conceded 500 in the First Innings of every Test three years ago - but then very obligingly lose.
 
Junaids said:
Actually this match has played to a record non-Ashes crowd.

In many ways, Pakistan are the perfect guests.

They bowl much better than India - who conceded 500 in the First Innings of every Test three years ago - but then very obligingly lose.
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You might not know this but India is the only team that has beaten Aus in Aus after conceeding 500 in the 1st inngs (2003). You also ignore the point that India is again the only Asian team to win at Perth in 2008 . And last time in Perth we came within 40 runs to beating Aus after conceeding 500. As you can see it takes batting of different level to compete in Aus and we are the only Asian side that competes well in Aus. I know this is hard for you to accept but it is what it is :)
 
Well it's not like Pakistan visit Australia every 2nd year. Pakistan has played the same number of series as Sri Lanka and WI in Australia.
 
Gilly said:
I can see Junaids in your thinking, by the way how tall is Rabada?.
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You cannot compare SA/AUS bowlers to Asian bowlers in general. They are brought up in bouncy wickets, bowling heavy ball is must for everybody to know to survive.

Again Pakistani bowlers could learn those skills, but not by playing only 9 test match in 20 years, Even Amir can bowl much better in those conditions, if he plays every other year on bouncy tracks, once in 6 years is no comparison.
 
we r winning this series inshaAllah.
we will make more runs in this game than any of our first tests in aus in the last 30 years.
 
Junaids said:
Actually this match has played to a record non-Ashes crowd.

In many ways, Pakistan are the perfect guests.

They bowl much better than India - who conceded 500 in the First Innings of every Test three years ago - but then very obligingly lose.
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Australia conceeded 400 in the first innings of every test two years ago too.
 
Just one test and even that is not finished. Aus has been poor in India for a long time even if we ignore one off series in Sl and UAE. Still Aus goes there regularly.

In Aus you need a different style of cricket and most teams don't have enough practice. It's as simple as that. Current Aus team is pretty ordinary, but they are used to these conditions.
 
JibranAnsari said:
they are awful in asia and they should not get more than two tests in any of those countries in asia. That's the truth , by the whats australias test record in the last three series in india? o yes 0 wins. why dont we talk about them? Australia has been awful in india, lets talk about them getting only two test series in india from now on
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No, no... we Indians want them to play 5 or even 6 Tests... need those points to pad our #1 ranking :excitedtroll
 
I hope they stop inviting us. We are disgraceful
 
Syed1 said:
I hope they stop inviting us. We are disgraceful
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There is pretty good chance of third test being a live test. Aus crowd will surely not mind seeing Pakistan if series is alive in the last test.
 
I was told that if we get a grassless wickets at the MCG and the SCG, we will beat Australia. Oh well.
 
Most entertaining Asian team imo, almost pulled a victory when least expected and lost a drawn match next , unpredictability usually gets better ratings.

Now when no one is expecting anything they wud bring something in the next one.
 
Pakistan played it's part in two very entertaining tests. I am sure Aus crowd enjoyed both tests. Not good result for Pakistan, but Aus crowd couldn't have asked for anything better.
 
Torpedo said:
With a 4th consecutive 3-0 whitewash on the cards, (99/00, 04/05, 09/10) is it worth it anymore for Australia to invite Pakistan for 3 test tours during the Prime Summer months?

I don't see them booking in Pakistan again for 3 tests especially over Boxing/New years days. If they do ever come again, it will most likely be 2 tests in early November or 2 tests in winter played in Darwin and Cairns.

From a financial point of view it doesn't make sense either. The Australian public want to see Australia win, but they want some fight from the opposition. With Pakistan, 3rd test will always be a dead rubber, which means loss of interest and slow ticket sales.

Heck, even Sri Lanka managed a draw in Cairns against an ATG Australian side.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/64092.html

At least Sri Lanka has a decent ODI record in Australia but for Pakistan in ODI's its the same story too. Since 2003 they have played Aus in Aus in 11 ODI's, lost 10 and have won 1.

Someone please tell me why Australia should host Pakistan?
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They invited us after 7 years. Plus what competition did they give to us when they toured us?

We ripped them apart did we not? Even Misbah scored the fastest hundred at the time against them. It was such an uncompetitive series. At least Pakistan showed a lot of fight in the last game getting 450.

Also they got embarrassed by a Sri Lankan team that has been in awful form recently. They got whitewashed by Sri Lanka 0-3. They barely showed any fight in that series.

Oh and how can I forget about India getting demolished against India in 2012/13 they lost 0-4! No fight shown once again.

So if we look at Australia's last 9 test Matches in the Subcontinent which includes Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and India. They're record is 0-9! Not a single test won or even drawn!!!

So this begs the question why should Asian teams invite Australia to the Subcontinent???

Also to answer your question it they need to invite Pakistan to make themselves feel good after getting whooped in the UAE.
 
Australia's series results against each team the last time they played there.

India in India - 0-4 (4) [2012-2013]
Pakistan in UAE - 0-2 (2) [2014]
Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka - 0-3 (3) [2016]

Record in the Subcontinent in the last 4 Years - 0-9 (9)
 
QalandarFan said:
Australia's series results against each team the last time they played there.

India in India - 0-4 (4) [2012-2013]
Pakistan in UAE - 0-2 (2) [2014]
Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka - 0-3 (3) [2016]

Record in the Subcontinent in the last 4 Years - 0-9 (9)
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As mentioned previously, Pakistan does not equal the subcontinent. Pakistan has lost 11 consecutive tests (a world record) in a single country over a 20 year period.
 
I don't ever want to see Pakistan back here again in Australia for tests in summer. Keep it to 2 tests in June-July in Cairns and Darwin.
 
Torpedo said:
As mentioned previously, Pakistan does not equal the subcontinent. Pakistan has lost 11 consecutive tests (a world record) in a single country over a 20 year period.
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12th loss now
 
Heard SA decided not to invite SL any longer. Correct me if I am wrong.
 
Chappell talks rubbish, he needs to retire himself. I turn off the volume on TV when he commentates.
 
Chappell needs to be told that Aus will not be able to play anywhere in the world then except their home and SA.

Worst team away from all the Test playing nations
 
Still can't get over the 2nd game fiasco
 
Hawkeye said:
Chappell needs to be told that Aus will not be able to play anywhere in the world then except their home and SA.

Worst team away from all the Test playing nations
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I agree Chappell talks crap but Australia have a much better away record than most teams.
 
Sachin136 said:
Australia has the second highest W/L away since 2014 in away matches. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...2014;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team

Ignore Pakistan there because it includes UAE for them. These are their away stats: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...anval1=span;team=7;template=results;type=team
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Only places Australia does well is SA and and NZ (if we exclude WI). That leaves England (the only series that supposedly matter to them) and the biggest cricket continent on globe

Not good enough to moan about much better away record than most team
 
Chrish said:
Only places Australia does well is SA and and NZ (if we exclude WI). That leaves England (the only series that supposedly matter to them) and the biggest cricket continent on globe

Not good enough to moan about much better away record than most team
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OK exclude WI and tell us where Pakistan does well.
 
Chappell at it again the filth that comes out from him is remarkable.
 
Gilly said:
OK exclude WI and tell us where Pakistan does well.
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Pakistans record is irrelevant to me. Your original post that Australia has much better away record than most teams was total rubbish and deserved to be pointed out
 
Chrish said:
Pakistans record is irrelevant to me. Your original post that Australia has much better away record than most teams was total rubbish and deserved to be pointed out
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I only responded to your post where you stated Australia is the "Worst team away from all the Test playing nations". You were wrong and I pointed it out. Someone else posted the statistics that backed up my point.
 
Chrish said:
Show me where did I say such thing?
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Ok My bad Hawkeye said it, so we both now agree that Australia have an away record better than most teams as proven by statistics with a 50% win ratio away from home since 2014.
 
Gilly said:
Ok My bad Hawkeye said it, so we both now agree that Australia have an away record better than most teams as proven by statistics with a 50% win ratio away from home since 2014.
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No I don't agree at all.. Australia is trash away from home just like everyone else with the possible exception of South Africa..

My 2c
 
Chrish said:
No I don't agree at all.. Australia is trash away from home just like everyone else with the possible exception of South Africa..

My 2c
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Australia might it your opinion be trash but they win 50% of their matches which is more than most teams, ergo they are better than most teams away from home.
 
Gilly said:
I agree Chappell talks crap but Australia have a much better away record than most teams.
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Let's not kid ourselves.

If a subcontinent team plays in Sri Lanka, or Bangladesh or even West Indies, nobody really counts it as "away".

You're not a minnow team. When we mention away, it's clear we mean unfamiliar conditions, which are not similar to the ones found in your home country.

The only true alien conditions SC teams get are mostly Australia, South Africa and England (when it's swinging). All SC fans consider this criteria as away.

For Australia, they have the most terrible, horrendous record in their unfamiliar conditions - entire ASIA!

Don't go for stats blindly.
 
What kind of logic is this ? England have been beaten 5-0 in two out of their last three tours of Australia - should you stop inviting England for tours ? Ah no, because you want the $$$ for the Ashes so that's OK.

Should Asian teams stop inviting Australia since they've lost 9 out of their last 9 Tests in Asia ?

See where this ends up. Chappelli should be pensioned off anyway, seems to be losing his marbles especially after that Rabada village comment.
 
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