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Will crowds turn up for PSL X with the Pakistan team playing so poorly?

PSL is competing against every other entertainment option, both for live experiences and to view or consume. Sheer arrogance, head in the sand stuff to assume you are the only option, market poorly and then be confused why no one cares about your product.

PSL is not only against cricket. It is against all other sports and even other entertainment. If you're last sentence is about a "can't win, don't try" philosophy then you probably sum up a problem and shouldn't be part of a solution. I shudder for your career if you have such little confidence in what marketing is worth.

Even a product like the IPL is promoted heavily to heaven and earth inside India and even outside India where they held the draft.

The PCB should definitely think global and think about playing the playoffs in the UK which has a big Pakistani expatriate population.
 
The pace standard of the local seamers of IPL is very poor. So to make out that we are watching out of the World quality is just plain rubbish. The local pacers are definitely on par with local Ind pacers
It’s a stupid argument. Indian team bowling standards have been better than Pak for a decade now. Ultimately these bowlers have been more consistent and effective than Pakistani bowlers. We saw that in multiple tournaments and bilaterals. If the quality of bowlers in Pak was so much better they wouldn’t struggle everywhere
 
It depends on whether you are cricket tournament or circus. If the local pacers are rubbish and they make either 1/2 of the attacked then the quality is poor.
You think that any league cricket is serious cricket? PCB might be an aberration because you guys don’t have a proper first class cricket tournament nor structure and are well known to pack PSL players into red ball or ODIs, but no good team will select players into their national team based solely on these leagues. The primary purpose of these leagues is indeed entertainment.
 
Success of a league is dependent on the Fan base of each teams. Fan base of each team is dependent on local Superstars who are achieving internationally. For IPL, there are many batting Superstars for each team which helped in building the core fan base for each Franchise teams. For ex, for CSK it's Dhoni, for RCB it's Kohli, for Mumbai it's Rohit and Bumrah. Similarly other Indian players have significant fan base to pull audiance to support that team. Unfortunately for Pakistan, except for Babar and Rizwan, there are no other local superstars who have achieved internationally. Moreover your team also struggle internationally..So there is no meaning for a fan to support a team .. eventually the crowd pulling capacity of each team fades and PSL loses its viewership too..
 
Success of a league is dependent on the Fan base of each teams. Fan base of each team is dependent on local Superstars who are achieving internationally. For IPL, there are many batting Superstars for each team which helped in building the core fan base for each Franchise teams. For ex, for CSK it's Dhoni, for RCB it's Kohli, for Mumbai it's Rohit and Bumrah. Similarly other Indian players have significant fan base to pull audiance to support that team. Unfortunately for Pakistan, except for Babar and Rizwan, there are no other local superstars who have achieved internationally. Moreover your team also struggle internationally..So there is no meaning for a fan to support a team .. eventually the crowd pulling capacity of each team fades and PSL loses its viewership too..

It's still early in the PSL this season. It will take a century by Babar, a 5 wicket haul by Shaheen or a serious phadda on the field to get the tournament intensity going. Even better if these things happen when games start to become more important in the middle phase of the tournament
 
Games are played daily at same venue so understandably turnout will be low, add to it road closures week days weather condition and lack of ambiance in stadium. PSL organisers have neglected so many things
 
At times I feel for the PCB too. Pakistan being a poorer fanbase cant afford shell out the same amount of money Indian fans can.

It isn't just PCB's financial struggles, but Pakistan's middle class too can barely afford to have fun and pay for the facilities Papers desire. IPL wouldn't have worked in 90s India, Indian middle-class in 2010s made it work, that was the driving engine. Same is true for PSL today, Pakistan is just not ready for this product yet.
 
At times I feel for the PCB too. Pakistan being a poorer fanbase cant afford shell out the same amount of money Indian fans can.

It isn't just PCB's financial struggles, but Pakistan's middle class too can barely afford to have fun and pay for the facilities Papers desire. IPL wouldn't have worked in 90s India, Indian middle-class in 2010s made it work, that was the driving engine. Same is true for PSL today, Pakistan is just not ready for this product yet.

I dont think that is the primary reason
It's the insane security checks that turns people off wanting to go to the grounds. I went to a game last year and it was such a pain
 
At times I feel for the PCB too. Pakistan being a poorer fanbase cant afford shell out the same amount of money Indian fans can.

It isn't just PCB's financial struggles, but Pakistan's middle class too can barely afford to have fun and pay for the facilities Papers desire. IPL wouldn't have worked in 90s India, Indian middle-class in 2010s made it work, that was the driving engine. Same is true for PSL today, Pakistan is just not ready for this product yet.
At times I feel Indians commenting on stuff they have absolutely no idea about is something that’s ingrained in their society and a finicky habit passed on from one generation to the next.

I feel for these individuals, who are lacking unfortunately in the upper compartment themselves, but have had some unfortunate people before them pass this habit on to them.

The low turn outs are due to the strict security measures taken at the stadiums and in case of Karachi, the location has to be one of the worst for any sporting stadiums in the world. Also, the national team is churning out hits after hits while the PCB’s marketing team has done absolutely the bare minimum to promote this tournament in Pakistan itself.

It’s a myriad of issues and has nothing to do with the stupid take you have managed to come up with once more.
 
Once again the overseas Pak fans, especially the UK once, are proving to be just keyboard warriors. All talk and no action.
Pak hosts its most precious cricket league once a year. It's like Eid. You expect overseas Pak fans to swarm the stadiums and make PSL a grand success. But all they do is just endlessly comment on IPL related threads.
No positive contribution is made towards PSL to make it a grand success.
:inti
 
At times I feel Indians commenting on stuff they have absolutely no idea about is something that’s ingrained in their society and a finicky habit passed on from one generation to the next.

I feel for these individuals, who are lacking unfortunately in the upper compartment themselves, but have had some unfortunate people before them pass this habit on to them.

The low turn outs are due to the strict security measures taken at the stadiums and in case of Karachi, the location has to be one of the worst for any sporting stadiums in the world. Also, the national team is churning out hits after hits while the PCB’s marketing team has done absolutely the bare minimum to promote this tournament in Pakistan itself.

It’s a myriad of issues and has nothing to do with the stupid take you have managed to come up with once more.
Pindi stadium is also in the hub of city , marred by traffic , signals and bikes and rickshaws also. Add to it during games the route is changed due to security and other reasons too much hassle
 
Pindi stadium is also in the hub of city , marred by traffic , signals and bikes and rickshaws also. Add to it during games the route is changed due to security and other reasons too much hassle

I have a lot of family in Pindi & many of them are cricket fans but no one wants to watch the match in the stadium because of traffic & bad experience that watching cricket is in Pakistan. Young boys can enjoy it but middle aged people with families just do not prefer to go to the stadium to watch cricket.

I respect families who go to the stadium & watch cricket as it definitely isn't easy.
 
It was a poor idea to host PSL along with daddy league. Forget about live crowd, even the tv viewership goes down. Many Indians, including me used to watch fair bit of PSL before. Now that it is clashing with IPL, I have not seen a single ball. Infact, in UK it is not even shown on telly and you need to use red button. I can understand why PCB have done it by organizing it this time, it is to get the umsold players from IPL like Warner etc. But IMO it is clearly not working. PSL need to get back in its original slot of february when no other leagues going on and fans from all around the world have no option but to watch it. Competing with IPL makes no sense.
 
It was a poor idea to host PSL along with daddy league. Forget about live crowd, even the tv viewership goes down. Many Indians, including me used to watch fair bit of PSL before. Now that it is clashing with IPL, I have not seen a single ball. Infact, in UK it is not even shown on telly and you need to use red button. I can understand why PCB have done it by organizing it this time, it is to get the umsold players from IPL like Warner etc. But IMO it is clearly not working. PSL need to get back in its original slot of february when no other leagues going on and fans from all around the world have no option but to watch it. Competing with IPL makes no sense.
PCB didn't have too many options than this in terms of getting the window to organize the league in manageable weather. They surely can't play in June, July with excessive heat.
 
You think that any league cricket is serious cricket? PCB might be an aberration because you guys don’t have a proper first class cricket tournament nor structure and are well known to pack PSL players into red ball or ODIs, but no good team will select players into their national team based solely on these leagues. The primary purpose of these leagues is indeed entertainment.
When you pay millions you would hope so. I don't take any franchise league seriously but I hear a billion Inds do.
 
When you pay millions you would hope so. I don't take any franchise league seriously but I hear a billion Inds do.

Obviously entertainment wise it’s serious business, because there is serious money involved - which in turn filters down to grassroot cricket. But cricketing wise, naah. We rely on our Ranjis and Dulleep trophies to get us our players.
 
It was a poor idea to host PSL along with daddy league. Forget about live crowd, even the tv viewership goes down. Many Indians, including me used to watch fair bit of PSL before. Now that it is clashing with IPL, I have not seen a single ball. Infact, in UK it is not even shown on telly and you need to use red button. I can understand why PCB have done it by organizing it this time, it is to get the umsold players from IPL like Warner etc. But IMO it is clearly not working. PSL need to get back in its original slot of february when no other leagues going on and fans from all around the world have no option but to watch it. Competing with IPL makes no sense.

February March time slot is not feasible anymore. A lot of foreign players now prefer SA T20, ILT20, Big Bash and BPL and they prefer to rest during the PSL time slot to get ready for the IPL.
 
scheduling PSL alongside IPL means Pakistan is losing the Majority of revenues that came from sponsors and broadcaster .

Revenues from gate money is negligible compared to sponsors and broadcasters.

:kp
February March time slot is not feasible anymore. A lot of foreign players now prefer SA T20, ILT20, Big Bash and BPL and they prefer to rest during the PSL time slot to get ready for the IPL.
 
scheduling PSL alongside IPL means Pakistan is losing the Majority of revenues that came from sponsors and broadcaster .

Revenues from gate money is negligible compared to sponsors and broadcasters.

:kp

PCB can decide if it is worth it or not by the end. They are going to face the same problem next year in February March 2025 as the T20 WC is going to be held
 
PCB can decide if it is worth it or not by the end. They are going to face the same problem next year in February March 2025 as the T20 WC is going to be held
It would suit PCB to host PSL in England. Pak has best lot of fast bowling talent which would be amazing to watch in English conditions. Also, Pak always get a lot of crowd support over there from expats etc. You will also get a lot of gate money from Indian fans who will come and enjoy watching PSL matches. It's a win win.
 
It would suit PCB to host PSL in England. Pak has best lot of fast bowling talent which would be amazing to watch in English conditions. Also, Pak always get a lot of crowd support over there from expats etc. You will also get a lot of gate money from Indian fans who will come and enjoy watching PSL matches. It's a win win.
Yes, host the Pakistan Super League in England. Makes perfect sense.
 
Fans generally turn up after the start of the game i.e. within 20-30 minutes.

I read that Peshawar Zalmi operates special buses to ensure that their fans turn up to the stadium in Rawal Pindi. Every Franchise should be responsible for their own fan engagements.

Once this PSL season is over PCB needs to sign iron clad contracts with these franchises detailing the minimum list of activities, investments expected from them, if they meet or exceed them, they will be rewarded with discounted Franchise Fees next year and if they fail to meet them and continue to run the franchise affairs so unprofessionally, the PCB reserves the right to take back the franchises.
 
They need to stop playing that annoying jingle after every single damn boundary. It's torture. Have a selection of different music. Stop using the same sound on repeat.
 
PSL organizers should seriously consider making entry free, atleast for league games. Otherwise the empty stadiums makes the whole tournament lifeless and cheap.
The whole tournament is lifeless and cheap... poor teams, poor standard of cricket, poor performances, poor infrastructure and zero talent development...

Might I say, well deserved empty stadiums...
 
Why would Karachite's turn up for such a pathetically managed franchise. PCB needs to demand $10 million a year from Salman Iqbal for Franchise fees or tell him to take a hike. Its about time the Karachi Kings Franchise be handed over to someone else who can truly manage the Franchise full fledged and develop a fan base, connection with the local city.
 
Why not re - auction Karachi franchise in next PSL and hand it to someone with genuine interest Karachi Kings are becoming laughing stock. Time for Karchi Super Kings
 
Why not re - auction Karachi franchise in next PSL and hand it to someone with genuine interest Karachi Kings are becoming laughing stock. Time for Karchi Super Kings
Doesn't all The Franchises contract end after this year PSL ?

The PSL franchises and the PCB will revisit their agreements and financial bonds After PSL 10.

:kp
 
They should move the Karachi hosted matches to kebab stadium in Peshawar. They would all be a sell out there.

Sindhis don't have much passion for anything it seems. Lifeless people.
 
Fans generally turn up after the start of the game i.e. within 20-30 minutes.

I read that Peshawar Zalmi operates special buses to ensure that their fans turn up to the stadium in Rawal Pindi. Every Franchise should be responsible for their own fan engagements.

Once this PSL season is over PCB needs to sign iron clad contracts with these franchises detailing the minimum list of activities, investments expected from them, if they meet or exceed them, they will be rewarded with discounted Franchise Fees next year and if they fail to meet them and continue to run the franchise affairs so unprofessionally, the PCB reserves the right to take back the franchises.
I agree.

I posted this before too but they should be making fan following groups for each team (eg get 200 people like chacha cricket for each team, pay them if you have to), do something to generate the following. There is no effort no concept of dedicated merchandise, no concept of getting dedicated followers for each team etc.

Poor stuff
 
I now feel maybe holding the PSL the same time as IPL wasn’t a great idea. Right now honestly it is giving a feeling that down there at the IPL, you got the best of the best players playing and all the rejects are playing PSL. Not trolling but that’s the feeling i am getting and maybe others too have been feeling the same.

PSL needs some big names to attract the balls and getting them wouldn’t be easy when you’re competing directly with IPL. You need a Travis Head, Klassen, Pooran, Rabada, etc setting the stage on fire. People need to feel something special is happening out there and the best players in the world are out there. If they’re getting a feeling it’s a rejects league they won’t feel much interested honestly.
Don’t think lack of star power is the issue. I can guarantee you that there is not a single person in Pak who is saying “I’d go if Klassen” was playing.

Issue is the loss of interest and dejection towards cricket for Pak fans. Not many are willing to be invested in this sport after the national team’s performances
 
Don’t think lack of star power is the issue. I can guarantee you that there is not a single person in Pak who is saying “I’d go if Klassen” was playing.

Issue is the loss of interest and dejection towards cricket for Pak fans. Not many are willing to be invested in this sport after the national team’s performances

The attendance in Lahore and Multan will reveal everything.

The Champions Trophy had some good players but still Karachites refused to come. I was watching a vlog by a sports reporter and they summed up the reason for the terrible Karachi crowds is the abysmal state of the stadium, fan experience, rough long security checks, terrible food and of course the Karachi Kings Franchise poor performance and the lack of fan engagement activities from the Karachi Kings owners who are running the franchise for ARY's benefit.

In comparison Lahore Qalandars have done an excellent job with their franchise and making the Lahore population gravitate towards them.
 
The attendance in Lahore and Multan will reveal everything.

The Champions Trophy had some good players but still Karachites refused to come. I was watching a vlog by a sports reporter and they summed up the reason for the terrible Karachi crowds is the abysmal state of the stadium, fan experience, rough long security checks, terrible food and of course the Karachi Kings Franchise poor performance and the lack of fan engagement activities from the Karachi Kings owners who are running the franchise for ARY's benefit.

In comparison Lahore Qalandars have done an excellent job with their franchise and making the Lahore population gravitate towards them.
Have there been no matches in Lahore and Multan yet? I haven’t followed PSL much.

Yes, Karachi has its own specific long-running issues but I do feel that post CT25, the interest in cricket suddenly took a really bad hit. Even the most ardent fans are now feeling dejected.

I was in Lahore last week and noticed a good amount of advertisements for PSL and LQ. Hopefully it stimulates some interest.
 
Have there been no matches in Lahore and Multan yet? I haven’t followed PSL much.

Yes, Karachi has its own specific long-running issues but I do feel that post CT25, the interest in cricket suddenly took a really bad hit. Even the most ardent fans are now feeling dejected.

I was in Lahore last week and noticed a good amount of advertisements for PSL and LQ. Hopefully it stimulates some interest.

Karachi has been dead for years.

It shouldn't matter if they are playing well or not. It's a hobby to spectate cricket.
 
PSL is competing against every other entertainment option, both for live experiences and to view or consume. Sheer arrogance, head in the sand stuff to assume you are the only option, market poorly and then be confused why no one cares about your product.

PSL is not only against cricket. It is against all other sports and even other entertainment. If you're last sentence is about a "can't win, don't try" philosophy then you probably sum up a problem and shouldn't be part of a solution. I shudder for your career if you have such little confidence in what marketing is worth.
PSL has not other sporting competitions in the country. Its literally THE only sports competition with any real sense of purpose in Pakistan.
 
Have there been no matches in Lahore and Multan yet? I haven’t followed PSL much.

Yes, Karachi has its own specific long-running issues but I do feel that post CT25, the interest in cricket suddenly took a really bad hit. Even the most ardent fans are now feeling dejected.

I was in Lahore last week and noticed a good amount of advertisements for PSL and LQ. Hopefully it stimulates some interest.
The PSL owners don’t really advertise year round and buildup a supporter base. They go quiet for 10 months of the year. Then complain that they don’t make money. The IPL teams have year round programs and social media teams hyping up their players and scouting of other competitions for players. I don’t see that with the PSL ownership.
 
The PSL owners don’t really advertise year round and buildup a supporter base. They go quiet for 10 months of the year. Then complain that they don’t make money. The IPL teams have year round programs and social media teams hyping up their players and scouting of other competitions for players. I don’t see that with the PSL ownership.

They run it like a circus. Primitive mindset.
 
Karachi is a deadbeat crowd. They are not interested last time, they are not interested this time and we will see the same next time...

PCB should try to host less games there next time.
 
first match i am watching for more than few balls. Honestly very poor crowd and atmosphere. If this is Karachi specific issue, then PSL should move out of the city. This is a very poor advertisement for T20 cricket or any cricket
 
first match i am watching for more than few balls. Honestly very poor crowd and atmosphere. If this is Karachi specific issue, then PSL should move out of the city. This is a very poor advertisement for T20 cricket or any cricket

good turn out in pindi. this seems to just be a karachi issue.

luckily, there are only 5 games in karachi this year (compared to 11 last year)
 
The Business minded people In KHI have no interest in PSL, must have been a culture shock for Warner to play games in a barren stadium , The Paan shops in KHI have more footfall then NSK in Psl
 
Karachi will struggle to see crowds until the something is done about the fans getting to the stadiums.

No one is passionate enough to go through hell just to watch random league games.
 
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