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The Army Establishment and PML N and PPP institute fake murder, corruption charges against him and history repeats itself?
 
Funny, 80s and 90s born pakistans hate bhutto saab because of the fake history they were taught and due to social media.

Ever since imran comapred himself to bhutto saab, these fpto fans are praising bhutto saab and even comparing imran to him....
It only proves that pti fans have no political ideology. They just pick up things as they move along

Bhutto saab made a constitution, plz dont even compare imran to him.
Bhutto saab issue wasnt usa, it was zia. If the issue was only to usa than zia would had not killed him as usa would had intervened
 
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Funny, 80s and 90s born pakistans hate bhutto saab because of the fake history they were taught and due to social media.

Ever since imran comapred himself to bhutto saab, these fpto fans are praising bhutto saab and even comparing imran to him....
It only proves that pti fans have no political ideology. They just pick up things as they move along

Bhutto saab made a constitution, plz dont even compare imran to him.
Bhutto saab issue wasnt usa, it was zia. If the issue was only to usa than zia would had not killed him as usa would had intervened

I would like to tell you a few stories about ZAB and his lot but that would give away my background.

But for now read this

https://tribune.com.pk/article/7562...en-bhutto-divided-pakistan-into-east-and-west

and understand what a vile person he was and what he did to Pakistan.

You will then be right. Imran is nothing like Bhutto.
 
No chance. IK didn't murder anyone.

No one will ever suffer the end bestowed on Bhutto - hanged with ignominy and impunity.

He fully deserved to be hanged like an animal.
 
Funny, 80s and 90s born pakistans hate bhutto saab because of the fake history they were taught and due to social media.

Ever since imran comapred himself to bhutto saab, these fpto fans are praising bhutto saab and even comparing imran to him....
It only proves that pti fans have no political ideology. They just pick up things as they move along

Bhutto saab made a constitution, plz dont even compare imran to him.
Bhutto saab issue wasnt usa, it was zia. If the issue was only to usa than zia would had not killed him as usa would had intervened

Henry Kissinger threatened Bhutto in no uncertain terms when the later refused to roll back on Pakistan's nuclear program i.e. "We will make a horrible example out of you". Then next we know, Bhutto called early elections, won a majority, the Pakistan National Alliance created unrest all over the country and the Pak Army took charge
 
I would like to tell you a few stories about ZAB and his lot but that would give away my background.

But for now read this

https://tribune.com.pk/article/7562...en-bhutto-divided-pakistan-into-east-and-west

and understand what a vile person he was and what he did to Pakistan.

You will then be right. Imran is nothing like Bhutto.

A pakistani legend and a true hero.

The uder tum ider hum is as usual a propoganda that people like to spread agaisnt him. Have read such b.s , only to check myself.

The uder tum ider hum was phrase used interms of campaign as confirmed by nfp.

Anyways, Bhutto saab gave his life to the nation. He didnt lose the peoples confidence, when challenged he went on trains did campaign and was killed by the ghaider armed forces who couldnt accept his popularity.

His legacy will live on.

While imrans legacy will always be the first PM of Pakistan to lose the peoples confidence
 
No chance. IK didn't murder anyone.

No one will ever suffer the end bestowed on Bhutto - hanged with ignominy and impunity.

He fully deserved to be hanged like an animal.

You do know that the person who bhutto supposedly murder, that person never died.....

Before saying things like deserved to be hanged like an animal better to fact check alittle.

:) Acting as a keyboard warrior is very easy. Love the anonymous factor
 
This is why PPP is the revenge party; to avenge the deserved death of a murderer by milking Pakistan. No loyality to faith or nation.
 
Henry Kissinger threatened Bhutto in no uncertain terms when the later refused to roll back on Pakistan's nuclear program i.e. "We will make a horrible example out of you". Then next we know, Bhutto called early elections, won a majority, the Pakistan National Alliance created unrest all over the country and the Pak Army took charge

Its all bakwas.

If USA wanted to remove him, they would had never killed him. For usa killing him made no sense. For zia it made sense as zia was threaten by him.

Thats the difference between nawaz shareef and bhutto. While shareef runs back bhutto stayed and challenged the state that he has the awaams support.

As for the nuclear thing, under zia, the money that they took on the name of mujahideens was being used on the nuclear program. What do you think, USA had no idea about this? USA knew.

There was never anything concrete that USA was involved in Shaheed Bhutto saabs death. It makes no sense.

No kill bhutto saab as a pm was an easier task. As a common man it was hard. Even zia had to dig in the files.

An interesting thing about his case was that intially shaheed Bhutto saab was removed on corruption charges. When he did his train march, they had to jail him away anf an old fir copy of 2-3 years was digged up.
If you do have some articles or anything plz do share.
 
IK is a bigger fish than Bhutto with more cult following nobody can dare handle hin like the deceased
 
Never died? You mean like OBL?

Resorting to conspiracy theories now. Who'd have though it!

:)))

Like i said, before coming here posting stuff like deserved to be hanged like an animal its better to do research.

The person he supposedly killed, that person never died.
 
IK is a bigger fish than Bhutto with more cult following nobody can dare handle hin like the deceased

If this country can hang Bhutto Saab than Imran is nothing. His support was crazy even after being removed from govt.
Zia's Govt bought different laws to control the public.

There is a reason why people rightly resorted to public damage when Benazir died as they were angry another member of that family died.

Yet that didnt result in any civil war kind of situation...

For imran, yes there will be protest here and there. But would anyone dare to do panga with ghq? Not a chance.
 
Like i said, before coming here posting stuff like deserved to be hanged like an animal its better to do research.

The person he supposedly killed, that person never died.

Stop repeating yourself, doesn't make your claim any more true.

Present the evidence otherwise no one cares about your tin foil hat conspiracy theory.

Yes my bad, shouldn't compare Bhutto's death to animals, it would be an insult to animals.

:)))
 
Stop repeating yourself, doesn't make your claim any more true.

Present the evidence otherwise no one cares about your tin foil hat conspiracy theory.

Yes my bad, shouldn't compare Bhutto's death to animals, it would be an insult to animals.

:)))

If you are truly interested, you can google the fir for which Bhutto saab was booked. You can read the name of the person he WAS SUPPOSE to kill, and how that person who was suppose to be killed was never killed.

If not, i dont really care. I would prefer if you make a fool out of yourself when you talk about this infront of people.

Also, the way you die is maybe in the hands of Allah, so while you celebrate how someone else died do pray to God that you dont get similar faith where children in later years mock the way you got your death
 
If you are truly interested, you can google the fir for which Bhutto saab was booked. You can read the name of the person he WAS SUPPOSE to kill, and how that person who was suppose to be killed was never killed.

So you have no evidence.

Funny how when you are backed in a corner you resort to the Google line.

Not interested in your conspiracy theories, I am only interested in facts.
 
Henry Kissinger threatened Bhutto in no uncertain terms when the later refused to roll back on Pakistan's nuclear program i.e. "We will make a horrible example out of you". Then next we know, Bhutto called early elections, won a majority, the Pakistan National Alliance created unrest all over the country and the Pak Army took charge

Every election in Pakistan has involved some degree of rigging, but the 1977 election by all accounts was quite blatant with Bhutto seeking a two-thirds majority.

The sad thing about Bhutto's trial is that he wasn't held accountable for the offences he did commit. He was intolerant of dissent with his paramilitary, the FSF, used to intimidate political opponents. He cracked down on the media with a series of ordinances.

As for East Pakistan, I admit I've been unfair on Bhutto regarding his role. I thought he deliberately stalled on Yahya's behalf and refused Mujib's rightful mandate based on what people have said.

However after reading Ayesha Jalal's Struggle for Pakistan, he was between a rock and a hard place. Mujib's Six Points was very difficult for any West Pakistani to accept, much less a Sindhi like Bhutto, especially having won many army constituencies in 1970. The bigger villain was Yahya, hellbent on military action against the Bengalis and cut the negotiations off. Bhutto's fiery language however didn't help.
 
Every election in Pakistan has involved some degree of rigging, but the 1977 election by all accounts was quite blatant with Bhutto seeking a two-thirds majority.

The sad thing about Bhutto's trial is that he wasn't held accountable for the offences he did commit. He was intolerant of dissent with his paramilitary, the FSF, used to intimidate political opponents. He cracked down on the media with a series of ordinances.

As for East Pakistan, I admit I've been unfair on Bhutto regarding his role. I thought he deliberately stalled on Yahya's behalf and refused Mujib's rightful mandate based on what people have said.

However after reading Ayesha Jalal's Struggle for Pakistan, he was between a rock and a hard place. Mujib's Six Points was very difficult for any West Pakistani to accept, much less a Sindhi like Bhutto, especially having won many army constituencies in 1970. The bigger villain was Yahya, hellbent on military action against the Bengalis and cut the negotiations off. Bhutto's fiery language however didn't help.



Im glad that you have read ayesha jalals book that lead to you changing your opinion.

Many people when they critisize bhutto saab ignore the 6 points.

But [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] do you actually accept that he wanted to kill ahmad kasuri? If he did so, atleast they would not had missed.

An interesting point i would add about the FSF. It was a paramilitary force whose job was to protect the PM. This made sure that the army would not try to over throw civiliam govt.

The FSF was equivalent to USA special service.

Ever since FSF was removed, the protection to pm is given by 111 brigade of army. This is the same brigade that is involved in millitary coups, thus there loyalties will always lie towards the COAS.

Another interesting point, fSF was the only govt institute that was disbanded
 
Every election in Pakistan has involved some degree of rigging, but the 1977 election by all accounts was quite blatant with Bhutto seeking a two-thirds majority.

The sad thing about Bhutto's trial is that he wasn't held accountable for the offences he did commit. He was intolerant of dissent with his paramilitary, the FSF, used to intimidate political opponents. He cracked down on the media with a series of ordinances.

As for East Pakistan, I admit I've been unfair on Bhutto regarding his role. I thought he deliberately stalled on Yahya's behalf and refused Mujib's rightful mandate based on what people have said.

However after reading Ayesha Jalal's Struggle for Pakistan, he was between a rock and a hard place. Mujib's Six Points was very difficult for any West Pakistani to accept, much less a Sindhi like Bhutto, especially having won many army constituencies in 1970. The bigger villain was Yahya, hellbent on military action against the Bengalis and cut the negotiations off. Bhutto's fiery language however didn't help.

The biggest villain was Ayub. Their would be no Bhutto or Yahya without Ayub.

Had Ayub not rigged the elections against Fatima Jinnah she would have been PM. He even called her an Indian agent. A man who joined the British Indian Army called the sister of the founder of Pakistan a traitor and Indian agent. He is the source of the problems of Pakistan.

Maybe their would be a united Pakistan today if Fatima Jinnah was PM.
 
Bhutto nationalisation policy was the biggest disaster happened to Pakistan. It stagnated all the industrialization of Pakistan. The shocks are still felt till today.

SOE are still bleeding billion of rupees every day.
 
Im glad that you have read ayesha jalals book that lead to you changing your opinion.

Many people when they critisize bhutto saab ignore the 6 points.

But [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] do you actually accept that he wanted to kill ahmad kasuri? If he did so, atleast they would not had missed.

An interesting point i would add about the FSF. It was a paramilitary force whose job was to protect the PM. This made sure that the army would not try to over throw civiliam govt.

The FSF was equivalent to USA special service.

Ever since FSF was removed, the protection to pm is given by 111 brigade of army. This is the same brigade that is involved in millitary coups, thus there loyalties will always lie towards the COAS.

Another interesting point, fSF was the only govt institute that was disbanded

I wouldn't draw equivalence between FSF and US Secret Service. The Secret Service don't intimidate political opponents and journalists. The FSF overstepped its boundaries under Bhutto who, like many Sindhi feudal lords, didn't take kindly to dissent.

About the Kasuri case and how the coup was orchestrated - I recommend this interview with Lt Gen Faiz Chishti who was arguably its architect:

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The Army Establishment and PML N and PPP institute fake murder, corruption charges against him and history repeats itself?

Bhutto is the same guy whose thirst for power led to split of East Pakistan and formation of Bangladesh.
 
I would like to tell you a few stories about ZAB and his lot but that would give away my background.

But for now read this

https://tribune.com.pk/article/7562...en-bhutto-divided-pakistan-into-east-and-west

and understand what a vile person he was and what he did to Pakistan.

You will then be right. Imran is nothing like Bhutto.

Perhaps it all began when Muhammad Ali Jinnah, despite the hostility of the students of Dhaka University he was addressing, insisted that “Urdu and only Urdu” would be the state language of Pakistan. This was strange, since the Quaid himself could only speak broken Urdu and that too with great difficulty. I strongly suspect Jinnah wanted Urdu as the national language because he was under pressure from the feudal lords of West Pakistan to do so. The only other reason would be that he did not know that the vast majority of people in East Pakistan didn’t speak Urdu or even understood it, which seems highly unlikely.

1. Why do some posters make fun of broken Urdu of Bilawal Bhutto? Would they have made fund of Jinnah also for speaking broken Urdu?

2. It seems that first blunder and discrimnination was caused by Jinnah himself who forced Urdu on East Pakistanis despite himself being poor at it.
 
Bhutto is the same guy whose thirst for power led to split of East Pakistan and formation of Bangladesh.

Bhutto was not PM or President at the time. Regardless of what he might have said, the person in charge was the dictator Yahya Khan. He should get more blame than Bhutto.
 
I wouldn't draw equivalence between FSF and US Secret Service. The Secret Service don't intimidate political opponents and journalists. The FSF overstepped its boundaries under Bhutto who, like many Sindhi feudal lords, didn't take kindly to dissent.

About the Kasuri case and how the coup was orchestrated - I recommend this interview with Lt Gen Faiz Chishti who was arguably its architect:

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So basically it had nothing to do with usa.

And as expected the supposed murder was never proven.
 
Bhutto was not PM or President at the time. Regardless of what he might have said, the person in charge was the dictator Yahya Khan. He should get more blame than Bhutto.

Of course, Yahya Khan is to be blamed too. But Bhutto is the one who endorsed the military veto and wanted power over West Pakistan.
 
1. Why do some posters make fun of broken Urdu of Bilawal Bhutto? Would they have made fund of Jinnah also for speaking broken Urdu?

Bilawal Zardari speaks Urdu with a western accent. Its embarrassing.

Jinnah I am assuming could speak fluent Gujrati. So if he spoke with an accent that's one thing, he could speak at least one local language fluently. To give another example in Pakistan a lot of Punjabis speak with a Punjabi accent, people don't make fun of them because that is not their mother tongue.

Bilawal cant speak Sindhi. And I doubt he even knows one word of Balochi (Zardari is a Baloch tribe). The only language he can speak fluently is English.

2. It seems that first blunder and discrimnination was caused by Jinnah himself who forced Urdu on East Pakistanis despite himself being poor at it.

Bengali was later made an official language of Pakistan. Even Jinnah's tomb has Bengali on it.
 
Of course, Yahya Khan is to be blamed too. But Bhutto is the one who endorsed the military veto and wanted power over West Pakistan.

Bhutto had no official position or power to do anything. The correct thing for the dictator to do was to hand over power to the person who won the election.

If Bhutto was going to protest and not accept the results, then he could have taken the military action in West Pakistan. That would make sense as Mujib was the winner of the election.

No where in the world does the majority secede from the minority. If it was not for the dictators (I blame Ayub the most) then Bengalis would have never wanted independence when they could have dominated the entire country.


A much higher chance of people in West Pakistan to want to break away from a united Pakistan than Bengalis.
 
It's unlikely.

Such an event will send Pakistan back generations and nobody in the establishment wants that.
 
Funny, 80s and 90s born pakistans hate bhutto saab because of the fake history they were taught and due to social media.

Ever since imran comapred himself to bhutto saab, these fpto fans are praising bhutto saab and even comparing imran to him....
It only proves that pti fans have no political ideology. They just pick up things as they move along

Bhutto saab made a constitution, plz dont even compare imran to him.
Bhutto saab issue wasnt usa, it was zia. If the issue was only to usa than zia would had not killed him as usa would had intervened

Very few hate Bhutto.

No leader has captured the spirit of Pakistanis like he did.

Political deeds and actions will have many pros and cons and many people debating them back and forth.

The spirit and the way he galvanised Pakistanis will live forever.
 
Bilawal Zardari speaks Urdu with a western accent. Its embarrassing.

Jinnah I am assuming could speak fluent Gujrati. So if he spoke with an accent that's one thing, he could speak at least one local language fluently. To give another example in Pakistan a lot of Punjabis speak with a Punjabi accent, people don't make fun of them because that is not their mother tongue.

Bilawal cant speak Sindhi. And I doubt he even knows one word of Balochi (Zardari is a Baloch tribe). The only language he can speak fluently is English.



Bengali was later made an official language of Pakistan. Even Jinnah's tomb has Bengali on it.

Got the first point.

About 2nd point, it was made official language much later.

Thus began the process of poisoning relations between the two parts of the country. The Bengali speakers launched a movement to have their language recognised as the state language along with Urdu. After many deaths, they succeeded to have their demand accepted in 1956.

They had to fight for their language to be accepted. First tone of discrimination and process of poisoning of relations (as mentioned in the article) was already set by Jinnah where it was made clear that they will be forced to follow west Pakistan and will have to fight for even obvious demands.

I wasn't aware of this part and discriminatory decision of Jinnah.
 
Got the first point.

About 2nd point, it was made official language much later.



They had to fight for their language to be accepted. First tone of discrimination and process of poisoning of relations (as mentioned in the article) was already set by Jinnah where it was made clear that they will be forced to follow west Pakistan and will have to fight for even obvious demands.

I wasn't aware of this part and discriminatory decision of Jinnah.

That's true, their was discrimination and it was a mistake. However if the thugs in Pindi let Pakistan be a democracy, Bengalis would never be discriminated against. You know why? Because they were by far the largest ethnic group at the time. They would dominate the country in a democracy. They would not discriminate against themselves.
 
Henry Kissinger threatened Bhutto in no uncertain terms when the later refused to roll back on Pakistan's nuclear program i.e. "We will make a horrible example out of you". Then next we know, Bhutto called early elections, won a majority, the Pakistan National Alliance created unrest all over the country and the Pak Army took charge

1. The US and Pakistan were strong allies at the time. Why would the former adopt such an authoritarian stance over the latter?

2. Nuclear weapons were and are the domain of the Pakistan military. Why would Kissinger take on the civilian leader - Bhutto - regarding that?
 
Seriously worried about IK in the wake of the Punjab By Elections, ECP foreign funding verdict and how openly he is challenging the Establishment and the PML N, PPP.
 
Not at all. Calling a "spade a spade" is nothing contraversial nor does it drop him in to deep waters.

By now the croocks know Imrans standing in the Awaam is deeply ingrained, if anything happens to him there will be a civil uproar which has never been seen before.
 
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