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COAS General Asim Munir open to forgiving Imran Khan if apology offered

Red-Indian said:
I'm not sure that's true. Qamar Bajwa's role in Nawaz Sharif's ouster and Imran Khan's rise is well accepted.

The controversial legacy of Pakistan’s outgoing army chief Bajwa

Both Imran Khan with his 'same page' statements and PTI supporters at the time were fully supportive of this interference. Here's a quote from a BBC Article



They did fall out towards the end and that's when it felt like the mood changed.
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I’ve heard this “same page” argument countless times, and it oversimplifies what actually happened. It wasn’t just Imran Khan, virtually the entire country felt aligned in a rare moment of collective hope. Pakistanis genuinely believed they were finally moving past decades of corrupt, family run political enterprises. And yes, like every major political shift in Pakistan, this too required the Army’s blessing, that’s simply the reality of our political structure.

But the crucial difference this time is that the public is no longer willing to accept the Establishment’s narrative at face value. The disagreement between the people and the power brokers is out in the open, amplified by multiple media platforms that the state can no longer fully control.

And it’s important to remember, Nawaz Sharif’s downfall didn’t begin with any “same page” claim, it began the day his name appeared in the Panama Papers.
 
emranabbas said:
Not when the elected leader is behind bars for corruption, terrorism charges, and spreading hate to destabilize the country.
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No! But he had dated some of the well known female across the globe, married a jew and married 3 times. And all of that is irrelevant.
 
Red-Indian said:
I'm not sure that's true. Qamar Bajwa's role in Nawaz Sharif's ouster and Imran Khan's rise is well accepted.

The controversial legacy of Pakistan’s outgoing army chief Bajwa

Both Imran Khan with his 'same page' statements and PTI supporters at the time were fully supportive of this interference. Here's a quote from a BBC Article



They did fall out towards the end and that's when it felt like the mood changed.
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The difference is, if Imran Khan was just interested in cementing his power base, he would have just gone along with the Generals and signed off on everything they put in front of him. The supporters of Imran Khan trusted in him as a man of integrity, so if the army fell in line, then the assumption was that the Generals had stepped back and were going to let him govern. No one is under any illusion that the Bhutto or Sharif clan will show any backbone. They are yes men basically.
 
emranabbas said:
Not when the elected leader is behind bars for corruption, terrorism charges, and spreading hate to destabilize the country.
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Which terrorism charge? Any ideas? Have they come to court and if they havent, why not?
Can you explain why this lady isnt in prison of terrorism charges and sedition. And at this point you will become a gunga and run off?

 
emranabbas said:
Not when the elected leader is behind bars for corruption, terrorism charges, and spreading hate to destabilize the country.
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Corruption charges? Which ones. Are those the ones that were suspended by the Junta charges or your Coward is to scared to allow appeals for.
 
HalBass9 said:
I’ve heard this “same page” argument countless times, and it oversimplifies what actually happened. It wasn’t just Imran Khan, virtually the entire country felt aligned in a rare moment of collective hope. Pakistanis genuinely believed they were finally moving past decades of corrupt, family run political enterprises. And yes, like every major political shift in Pakistan, this too required the Army’s blessing, that’s simply the reality of our political structure.

But the crucial difference this time is that the public is no longer willing to accept the Establishment’s narrative at face value. The disagreement between the people and the power brokers is out in the open, amplified by multiple media platforms that the state can no longer fully control.

And it’s important to remember, Nawaz Sharif’s downfall didn’t begin with any “same page” claim, it began the day his name appeared in the Panama Papers.
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Cpt. Rishwat said:
The difference is, if Imran Khan was just interested in cementing his power base, he would have just gone along with the Generals and signed off on everything they put in front of him. The supporters of Imran Khan trusted in him as a man of integrity, so if the army fell in line, then the assumption was that the Generals had stepped back and were going to let him govern. No one is under any illusion that the Bhutto or Sharif clan will show any backbone. They are yes men basically.
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While I agree Imran has now come to symbolise the hopes of those Pakistanis who seek to break the country out of 75 years of Army control, I believe retroactively fitting him into that role is absurd. It's impossible to find one interview (and believe me...I searched) from pre-2020 where he criticised the amount of influence the army had over Pakistani politics. In fact, there is lots of evidence of him supporting Musharraf as dictator of Pakistan.

Imran Khan campaigned for years on one single platform - denouncing the corruption of the traditional political parties in Pakistan. Opposition to the Establishment was never up for discussion.

He does seem to have realised since his imprisonment that the parties in Pakistan are now and have always been mere puppets. Of course including his own. He was remarkably frank in the famous Atlantic Council interview where he admits that he used to call the ISI to get his bills passed.

It's impossible not to respect him now as he sits in jail - bravely (or should I say bull-headedly) insisting on principle but I would've truly acknowledged his vision and courage if he'd acted when he had the chance - finding a way to cut army influence on Pakistani politics...giving up Prime Ministership and going back for a bigger mandate if he had to.
 
Red-Indian said:
While I agree Imran has now come to symbolise the hopes of those Pakistanis who seek to break the country out of 75 years of Army control, I believe retroactively fitting him into that role is absurd. It's impossible to find one interview (and believe me...I searched) from pre-2020 where he criticised the amount of influence the army had over Pakistani politics. In fact, there is lots of evidence of him supporting Musharraf as dictator of Pakistan.

Imran Khan campaigned for years on one single platform - denouncing the corruption of the traditional political parties in Pakistan. Opposition to the Establishment was never up for discussion.

He does seem to have realised since his imprisonment that the parties in Pakistan are now and have always been mere puppets. Of course including his own. He was remarkably frank in the famous Atlantic Council interview where he admits that he used to call the ISI to get his bills passed.

It's impossible not to respect him now as he sits in jail - bravely (or should I say bull-headedly) insisting on principle but I would've truly acknowledged his vision and courage if he'd acted when he had the chance - finding a way to cut army influence on Pakistani politics...giving up Prime Ministership and going back for a bigger mandate if he had to.
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All of that can be put down to political naivety rather than being duplicitous. I would still back him on principle personally.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
All of that can be put down to political naivety rather than being duplicitous. I would still back him on principle personally.
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We can agree to disagree in that I personally think he's a huge opportunist and typical populist in addition to being politically naive.

The fact remains though that anyone who professes to back democracy and doesn't support Imran Khan over the current Army run facade is being extremely duplicitous.
 
Field Marshall will do what Nawaz Sharif tells him to do.
 
Bewal Express said:
You said he was " was charged by British courts recently".
🤣🤣🤣🤣
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"Judge Richard Spearman KC directed that the apology must remain on Raja’s social media accounts and website for 28 days. The court also ordered Raja to pay £50,000 in damages and £260,000 in legal costs by December 22."

He was caught spreading fake news as usual and this time the court asked him to pay damages and make a direct apology. Talking to you kills my brain cells. I would rather you not quote me anywhere.
 
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emranabbas said:
Bhai jaan I don't what your talking about this was in news few days back so how was it a secret?
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Bajwa in hiding and this oath breaker will also have to hide. The Zionists wont protect him and he will beg for Mercy. Go around like Bajwa with Koran and swear on his mother grave he didn't interfere. 🤣🤣🤣
 
KingKhanWC said:
Skipper isn’t even a politician but predicted perfectly. Great man

https://twitter.com/x/status/2014439708391338291
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Honestly had goosebumps watching this. I pray that honest man and patriot Imran Khan returns to power. If not, a huge shame forever for resident Pakistanis who became slaves of corrupt 0.01% elite of Pakistan.

Bet you Munir, Shareef, Bhutto all these corrupt lapdogs of Trump wake up at night from nightmares seeing Imran Khan coming after them.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Honestly had goosebumps watching this. I pray that honest man and patriot Imran Khan returns to power. If not, a huge shame forever for resident Pakistanis who became slaves of corrupt 0.01% elite of Pakistan.

Bet you Munir, Shareef, Bhutto all these corrupt lapdogs of Trump wake up at night from nightmares seeing Imran Khan coming after them.
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Do you think an honest man would steal expensive watches from state treasury while being the PM of his country?
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
So now you believe the Pakistan establishment always tells the truth? Good to know.
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Funny how the whole of Pakistan willingly accepts the Pakistan establishment when they make claims on Operation Sindoor. When when they speak on that standardless and corrupt ghari chor, they are on the wrong foot.​
 
Hitman said:
Do you think an honest man would steal expensive watches from state treasury while being the PM of his country?
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Do you really believe he stole watches, lol? You haven’t even understood the case, but let’s stick to the idea of “stealing watches” and try to understand why this person would ever do such a thing.

This person’s entire life has been centered around fighting corruption, recovering stolen wealth, and demanding equal justice for every citizen.

When it comes to money, he has far more opportunities than most people could ever imagine. A single phone call could bring in huge amounts. He could sell countless items from his past career and make serious money. He could work as an expert commentator and earn a very high income. He could travel around the world giving autographs and easily earn even more.

Why would he destroy his reputation by “stealing” watches? These accusations are simply made up, yet a few people here will still try to defend them.

The lion has been in jail, facing mental torture for 2.5 years. For what, exactly? If he wanted a deal, he could accept one instantly and walk free — but his situation is much bigger than that.

They have changed institutions, altered constitutional rules, harmed people, kidnapped people, and made questionable deals just to keep him locked up. They are even trying to raise the voting age to 25 so younger people cannot vote for him, lol.

In sha Allah, one day he will come out, and when all institutions finally do what they are supposed to do, only then will I be able to take this country seriously. Right now everything feels fake — that’s why I don’t compare its economy, sports, or anything else with other countries. Everything is simply on hold, waiting for something to happen.

It will be a long and difficult struggle for its citizens, but in the end, the outcome will be good for them, In sha Allah.
 
KingKhanWC said:
I have a kite ready , just don’t know how to fly it lol .

The establishment trembles when IK is seen on a picture , video or voice . Imran has far surpassed being a political figure , he is a vision, ideology which remain in Pakistan forever now
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Sher Imran Khan is the heart and soul of Pakistan brother. A national hero who gave his everything for the watan.
 
Hitman said:
Funny how the whole of Pakistan willingly accepts the Pakistan establishment when they make claims on Operation Sindoor. When when they speak on that standardless and corrupt ghari chor, they are on the wrong foot.​
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All this proves is that Pakistanis are prepared to be critical of the establishment unlike the Indian posters who will support Modi no matter what.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
All this proves is that Pakistanis are prepared to be critical of the establishment unlike the Indian posters who will support Modi no matter what.
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There are a few Modi critics also among Indian posters dear for example @Nikhil_cric @MP2011 etc and we respect their stance.
I also was one of them but Modiji did win me over with all the progress India's made during his reign.

Indian democracy remains vibrant and healthy.
Actually, we do not have a strong opposition which would have strengthened our democracy. Instead our opposition is so bad, they have lost trust of majority of people.

Of the 100% of the BJP voter sin India, arguably 25% only do so because they find the opposition worse.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
All this proves is that Pakistanis are prepared to be critical of the establishment unlike the Indian posters who will support Modi no matter what.
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Critical of the establishment when they accuse Imran Khan of any wrongdoing, while not being critical of the same establishment when they make claims on India?​
 
Bhaijaan said:
There are a few Modi critics also among Indian posters dear for example @Nikhil_cric @MP2011 etc and we respect their stance.
I also was one of them but Modiji did win me over with all the progress India's made during his reign.

Indian democracy remains vibrant and healthy.
Actually, we do not have a strong opposition which would have strengthened our democracy. Instead our opposition is so bad, they have lost trust of majority of people.

Of the 100% of the BJP voter sin India, arguably 25% only do so because they find the opposition worse.
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You turning into a modi fan after being a modi critic for so long was the equivalent of Hogan joining the NWO.
 
Suleiman said:
You turning into a modi fan after being a modi critic for so long was the equivalent of Hogan joining the NWO.
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I am an open minded and ever evolving person dear. I don't hold on to beliefs rigidly. Provided better arguements, i am open to changing my beliefs.

Modi, after initial hiccups, turned out to be a good leader for India eventually. The economy progressed under him. Foreign relations can be a matter of debate for some but people also have to take into accout India is a massively isolated nation in the world from religion point of view and our path to achieveing true stratehic autonomy has not been easier in a West, China led world order. Yet, i believe the nation has steered through the tricky terrain effectively under PM Modi's leadership/ He too has evolved and is a much more patient, wise leader in 2026 than he was 10-15 years ago. The way he's handled TACO bhai situation is a true masterclass in diplomacy and statesmanship imho.
 
Hitman said:
Critical of the establishment when they accuse Imran Khan of any wrongdoing, while not being critical of the same establishment when they make claims on India?​
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Pakistanis were extremely critical of the establishment long before Imran Khan entered the political arena.
 
Hitman said:
Funny how the whole of Pakistan willingly accepts the Pakistan establishment when they make claims on Operation Sindoor. When when they speak on that standardless and corrupt ghari chor, they are on the wrong foot.​
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Do some simple research on your (failed) operation...
 
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